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    Coronavirus: World Leaders Now In Panic Mode

    Sadly, most of their desperate actions will be necessary, but insufficient
    by Adam Taggart

    Sunday, March 22, 2020, 4:50 PM

As the coronavirus outbreak enters the BOOM! phase in a fast-increasing number of countries across the globe, world leaders are scrambling to implement tighter and tougher controls.

Sadly, most of these desperate official actions will be necessary but insufficient.

The time to adopt China’s heavy-handed tactics was weeks ago. At this point, the virus’ spread is assured; we can only play to slow its rate now.

Which we should. Heart-breaking videos from health care workers show the hard choices being made in overwhelmed hospitals, forced to decide who lives and who dies as each new patient enters the overflowing emergency rooms.

More of this is coming – a lot more – including truly gargantuation fiscal relief packages, in the coming weeks as we ride up, up, up the exponential curve of covid-19 infections.

How well will these extreme actions work? Time will tell.

Right now, we just have to ride out the storm as best we’re able.

To help you, PeakProsperty.com just released this new resource: The Covid-19 Home Lockdown Survival Guide.

We’ve written this to be a comprehensive collection of the resources you need to stay safe, sane and solvent through the covid-19 crisis. And it’s a great tool for getting everyone in your household on the same page — print it out and have them read it.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 5:02pm

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    soulinrevolt

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    What man in video is saying

    Chris,

    the man in the video is heartbroken because they are taking ventilators away from people over 65 and giving them to younger people, who, one would suppose, have a better chance of survival. He is emotional because he does not think that is right because he feels it's the older generation that has made everything Spain has today. He is calling it genocide and says the government will have to answer. I speak Spanish and my wife is a native speaker. I'm not making any judgement on what he said, I just thought I would clarify what he was upset about. Thank you for the updates!

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:05pm

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    dadzcats

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    Community action

    Chris, you have mentioned several times that you are working with your community and helping it to plan. Can you, at some point, share some specifics? I am involved at the township level and would appreciate suggestions I can relay.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:07pm

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    sgornick

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    Video? Not appearing in blog post

    I'm not seeing a video (or link to vide) in this blog post.

    I do see a new video on the Youtube channel, from today, titled:

    Coronavirus: World Leaders Now In Panic Mode

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:13pm

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    Dr. Dave – Medical Wellness Consultant M.D. said:

    True,

    I have been trying to locate the video as well, unsuccessfully.

    Thank you for sharing.  It is helpful to appreciate the same insight to the situation.

    Thanks again.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:15pm

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    Scott_McDonough

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    Chris & Adam, can you look into these points? Henry Makow @HenryMakow 35 Sources showing the COVID19 / corona virus is over hyped, and likely fraud.

    Please don't stone me but does anyone personally know someone with the virus?

    https://revealingfraud.com/2020/03/health/35-sources-the-covid19-corona-virus-is-over-hyped-and-likely-fraud/?fbclid=IwAR3WrtFaZENEybBF5GquAZ3atiniPlGVdAeYnHjxciUun8zRns3PU5ecxek

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:16pm

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    NicolaHNZ

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    NZ now in lockdown

    Hi all

    NZ now in lockdown. We had 4 levels of alert (I’m going to credit you with this Chris) - we’ve moved to Level 3 today and will be Level 4 from Wednesday. Everyone at home, minimum of 4 weeks.  Jacinda Ardern also mentioned that our testing needs to be at ‘Gold’ standard - another shout out to Chris.

    Stay safe all.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:29pm

    Jay Pine

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    I know someone with the virus

    Yes. It's around here - Midlands UK town (has direct train connection with London). Not fatal for most (Suspect 1-2% mortality rate - mostly elderly with other stuff going on health-wise). It's unpleasant for quite a few (including the fifty something I know). It's asymptomatic for about the same amount. Kids get it either mildly or are asymptomatic. Spreads easily when people in close contact. Reminds me of norovirus in it's sneakiness, only with added airborne element.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:36pm

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    I know someone...

    I know one person at my church with the virus; another at the neighboring UU church has died.  One person at my workplace has the virus.  Yes, there are actually people who have this -- how big would the conspiracy have to be to have this all be "fake"??  Seriously.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:36pm

    Scott_McDonough

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    Yes and with all respect,

    How do we know if it is just the "regular flu" or something novel.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:40pm

    Scott_McDonough

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    Again, and with all respect,

    I don't question that people are sick, I just don't want fall for another 9/11, that's all.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:47pm

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    chrisw

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    (link not working here)

    (Link not working here)

    Admin:  Here's the link

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:55pm

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    Scott wants to know how we know it's not flu

    Scott,

    If you mean individual cases, if people were in an area that's refusing to test, you probably can't know.  Heard a stat that only about 10% of tested hospital "pneumonia" patients had Covid.  Rest were negative, where we assume flu or other viruses as the cause.

    If you're asking about Covid genetics as a novel coronavirus, that's technically a bad cold, not the flu.  I've had a couple younger people ask me how I know the moon landing wasn't a hoax.  Response:  in 69 special effects weren't that good and more important I actually knew NASA folks, including a couple Apollo astronauts and I believed them.  So microbiologists are doing genetic sequencing.  If Chris and others in this group know anyone who has sequenced this thing, then we can know if they're trustworthy. I trust Chris's gut on this one as well as I trust my on lunar walks.  Both real.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 6:59pm

    alanrgreenland

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    Yes, and 9/11 actually happened, too

    They do have tests for the regular flu.  Those are quick to administer, and pretty accurate.  So they give that test, and if it comes back negative (and you have the right symptoms), then they assume you have COVID-19.  Sometimes they test for COVID-19, but there are (still) only so many tests, so nothing is 100%.

    Dude, it's not just a river in Egypt.

    This thing is real.  (And it's spectacular.)

     

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 7:00pm

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    try this link

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD2-QVBQi48RRQTD4Jhxu8w

     

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 7:01pm

    TurquoiseRose

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    How do we know this Covid is a real phenomena

    Follow the genomics/genetic sequencing from an international collaboration. Click on the 2nd graphic "play"  to follow the spread of illness.

    See nextstrain.org:  https://nextstrain.org/ncov

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 7:11pm

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    no testing so impossible to say

    I definitely know people who know people who have this yes.  A bunch. Many of them are on isolation.  Without testing in the US how could we definitively know if someone has it or had it? In New York they are putting up 4 sets of field hospitals starting tomorrow.  Elective surgeries are being cancelled, doctors nurses and students are being lined up to staff these places, large multigroup clinics have been closed and healthcare workers are getting sick and a few have died.  It is all too real here.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 7:16pm

    Scott_McDonough

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    Ouch, that was a moon rock!!!

    Did i say anything about a moon landing? I am asking, aw, I give up.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 7:25pm

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    Tag425 said:

    Yes, I have friend that has it.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 7:48pm

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    Personally know someone who had the Covid19 Virus?

    I guess we first need to look at world-wide statistics if we don't think this is real.  I believe my wife and I had this perhaps starting in early December.  We went to clinics and they all just said there are lots of virus bugs going around and there was nothing we could do about it except wait for it to run its course.  We then soon knew first of all where we likely were exposed, as we had visited a clinic where at least one person had either visited China recently and/or met with people during a work-related conference.  That took around 8-10 days later for us to show symptoms and I think I was first.  We did not come into direct contact with anyone but one lady working there was profusely coughing so it was in the air.  At first I thought it was the normal flu, but it only came with low-grade fever and a screwed up head/mind.  After it revealed itself to me I went to bed that evening thinking I was going to die and that I was not ready to.  The next several days were tough and I kept waiting for it to show itself in my stomach, but it did not.  After a week or so, the virus concluded that it was not going to kill me like that so it moved to my throat, and then several days later to my lungs.  I smoke (addicted to B-3) but could not smoke my normal homemade organic tobacco, so opted for store-bought menthol that I picked up at a drive-through window.  We by then had been cancelling all of our normal Christmas activities and hunkering down for the duration.  By the time it was advancing to walking pneumonia, we remembered a cure for this and started taking it.  Had we been taking this beforehand, we might not have even gotten sick, but this bug is the most highly contagious one we ever experienced and we are each 68.  It is also the sneakiest as we did not have any warning but just all of a sudden got hit in a New York minute, like getting snared into an unbreakable cage.  The Food Grade H2O2 drops we had started taking each day, knocked out the pneumonia within about a week or so.  See my separate post for the actual procedure to create your own cure according to what we experienced.  I am not a doctor so cannot recommend this but to say that it has worked for both of us for years.  We were never confirmed to have Covid-19 because at the time we had it there were zero testing going on.  I have inquired since if they can test us to know for sure if we did, but only get "deer in the headlights" looks from everyone.  It would be good to know, because if we did have it, then our blood could perhaps be used for either plasma transfers and/or to assist in producing a vaccine.  However the 12-18 month lead time is way too long for a vaccine because a large portion of the world will be dead by then and also the virus itself could perhaps mutate one or more additional times in the interim.  We need the cure as I mentioned and we need people to also do all the things they are being told to do until the cure can be administered to enough people to arrest this criminal bug.  This process as I mentioned that cured us was developed about 100 years ago in 1920 to eradicate a pneumonia epidemic that was caused by the Spanish Flu.  It worked well then and I believe it will work now for this or any pneumonia like illness, and likely many other things.  See my separate later posting titled  "Proposed COVID-19 CURE"  .

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 7:58pm

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    Scott_McDonough said:

    Very interesting. I will take a look at your other post. Much thanks 😀

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 8:09pm

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    Chris Martenson: High "ALERT" for Inflation -- What To Do?

     

    Chris, in your video you say that we are maybe at a "high ALERT" for inflation.  So, what do you recommend?  I have some PM, but can't actually BUY any more right now (well, the US Mint has gold proof coins -- beautiful, but with a substantial premium).  Real estate?  Weapons??!  What physical assets are "inflation-proof", in your view?  Inquiring minds want to know.  😉

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 8:12pm

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    Scott_McDonough said:

    But when they test, are they not testing for a particular one or few strains and not all strains? To assume that is is COVID when it is not the one the test is designed for seems like a faulty conclusion.

    And as for 9/11. I am not questioning that it happened, I question what happened.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 8:13pm

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    Yes, I do know someone now struggling with a coronavirus infection

    Yes I do know someone, a colleague who is currently on a ventilator in Chicago.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/3/20/21187880/gordon-quinn-coronavirus-hoop-dreams-kartemquin-films-covid-19-documentary-director-producer

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 8:30pm

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    Tulip theory

    Once upon a time, many years ago there was a website called tulip.com that has disappeared.  The money theories presented pretty much mirror Chris' and Mike's presentations.  Their fun explanation of what was to come, was the Kaaaaa--POOM!! theory.  Big deflation followed by horrific inflation.  This has all taken waaaay longer to play out than any of us thought.  I hope some of the original web site guys are still around to watch the fun.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 8:35pm

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    D Sewall said:

    Now I think I understand better China's new system that assigns social scores to individual Chinese people. For a problem like COVID-19, if there is a strain on health resources, the CCP can simply select a cut-off point level, and anyone who is sick and below that level could simply be left untreated, and possibly even die. Problem solved!

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 8:37pm

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    Scott_McDonough said:

    I read the article and though the headline claims COVID, the body of the article seemed to indicate he could not get the actual test. I am not questioning that he was ill but I am trying to get find someone who personally knows for sure that there is a person who was actually tested, with a working test kit, and that it came back positive. I am fairly sure this is all real. I would just like to find some rock solid cases. That's all. The global economy is being destroyed and I think some proof would help questioning people, who are now losing their entire life savings, more readily accept the pronouncement that this is all valid.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 8:42pm

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    D Sewall said:

    I've heard that art can be a good hedge.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 8:44pm

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    Alangreenland - 9/11 was a false flag - Building 7 was imploded

    Don't bring your gov't story of 9/11 here... the vast majority of PP.com elders, as well as Chris himself, know well that 9/11 was not what it seemed.  If you want to hear the chemistry and the physics of it, we can do that another time.  The truth is the truth.  You were lied to about 9/11.  It's up to you to figure out what that means to you.  Don't be dissing anyone here who knows the truth.  Thank you, Jim

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 8:45pm

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    Eat From Your Freezer First?

    We're about an hour away from a regional "sit at home" order here in St Louis. I came back from a grocery store trip a couple of hours ago and all I bought was 4 cans of beefy pasta/raveola, a 1 pound bag of lentils and a bottle of hydrogen peroxide. There was some stuff on the shelves and in the freezer aisle but not much. I had already prepared, having followed Chris and Adam since January. I'm better than average for my prep.

    I'm thinking that for now I might eat mostly from my freezer rather than my canned goods. I don't think that power will go out anytime soon, due to ill workers or lack of parts, but this virus has consistently moved much faster than I thought.

    And to Scott, if this virus isn't real its the best con job ever pulled. What are you going to do? Not play the game? If TPTB have so much power they can rig something like this, then it doesn't matter if the virus is real or not, the conditions of the situation will proceed as laid out. What did you think sitting on the sidelines was an option?

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 8:52pm

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    Since Alangreenland is acting as a denialist to 9/11 truth...

    It's always nice to have a chance to introduce the newest evidence - late in 2019 the University of Alaska, Fairbanks completed a multiyear study, the purpose of which was to actually explain what caused Building 7 to fall in it's own footprint, with a significant portion of the descent at acceleration due to gravity, i.e. zero resistance from building structure.   Not surprisingly the study contradicted what NIST had report, i.e. that Building 7 fell due to, "normal office fires".  This was absurd on the face of it, but Uof A did a consummate CAD study of the building, using two different models, to show that the fire hypothesis was impossible.  Only by simultaneously removing all structural elements could they get their CAD-based simulation to match the reality captured on film.  Case closed, false flag.

     

    Watch a new video here:  https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7

    Why didn't you hear about it in the news?  Silly question... you have so much to learn...

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 9:04pm

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    Covid-19 Virus/pneumonia suggested CURE! -- REVISED

    DO NOT PASS  ON THIS BECAUSE IT IS TOO LONG -- THIS INFO COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE OR SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE.  READ IT, DIGEST IT, USE IT FOR PREVENTION AND CURE, AND THEN SHARE WITH THE WORLD!

    This is my attempt to explain what I believe is a cure not so much for Covid-19 virus but more-so for the "pneumonia" that it causes which in turn is the reason so many people are dying from it.  As per my prior comment(s) herein about knowing someone who had this, I believe my wife and I did have it in early December with associated illness that went well into February, going from head to throat to lungs and then back and forth as the virus so chose to.

    By late January, we were stocking up on essentials way prior to the rest of the world because we knew what was coming.  I have attempted to provide the particulars that follow to Congressmen and Senators which resulted in either "no-reply" email addresses or receipt of "canned letters" to the effect of we need to wash our hands etc., which we are hearing every 5 minutes in the news.  These are good, but the "paralysis of analysis" to develop a vaccine or drugs or whatever, is going to take way too long to prevent the eventual number of deaths sure to follow.  We now provide a basic summary of what we have done intermittently for years to successfully both prevent and to cure a number of illnesses, and I believe its time has come for this deadly bug.

    "Proposed COVID-19 CURE"

    If you decide to use this, please read the following as many times as needed to know it by heart and memory.  This requires one to obtain a relatively inexpensive FOOD GRADE 35% H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide, but NOT the normal store bought 3% which is poisonous, and not meant for consumption).  This Food Grade peroxide then can be acquired at some health food stores, pharmacies, or even online suppliers, for around $20-$30 per quart, plus shipping.  Also 20% +/- FG is sometimes used in beauty salons so if that is used, one must adjust according to different strength.  It is considered a Hazardous Material so it will cost more for postage/shipping.  Once this is acquired, then one must handle it accordingly.  In its full strength 35% state, it will burn skin, so it must then be diluted accordingly as follows:  Using hand-protection safety gloves, assuming you have a quart or so of original content FG-H2O2, also obtain an eye-dropper bottle with which you will pour this into.  Once the dropper bottle has been filled to around 3/4 or so, place the remaining amount in the sealed quart container into your freezer for storage.  Take the eye dropper bottle and place a drop or two into an 8 ounce glass of filtered water, and then store the eye-dropper bottle in your refrigerator for later, regular usage.  Never store un-refrigerated or in sunlight.  When it gets empty, repeat this process of re-filling it.  I have forgone the gloves and gotten some on my hands which spots turn white for a few hours and then it goes away.  Pouring on soda pop or water and then a skin-oil usually speeds up this removal of white-skin process.  Now before you drink this, you must fast for a minimum of 2 hours.  Do not eat or consume anything, not even other meds or cough drops or anything at all.  At that time when your stomach is completely empty, slowly drink or sip the glass of filtered water, and refrain from eating anything for at least another hour.  Do this for a day or two and if no adverse reactions, then raise the drops to 3 drops for a day or two, and then to 4 drops and then to 5 drops.  Do not go beyond the 5 drops but continue this for a few weeks and it should show improvement for pneumonia and other flu's and viruses.

    I have used this for as long as 1.5 years (18 months) straight as a preventative, and then intermittently as needed.  If you skip a day or two per week during prevention, that is fine as it only allows your system to rest from it.  If using for active virus or illness, use as often as needed to reverse the illness, but do not overdo this.  Allow yourself patience and wait for it to work -- it will kick this virus out of you in time.  Now if one is already acute, they may want to increase the dosage to 4 or 5 drops from the start as I have never heard of any adverse reactions but I suppose it is possible.  If one is near death, then they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.  Also, you may want to advise your doctor that you are trying this so that they know not to give you anything that might be adverse to it, although normally you could do this in addition to any other prescribed treatment that they are using.  Some doctors are open-minded and knowledgeable about this while others are adamantly opposed to it, but it all depends upon you to make the final decision.  This is an inexpensive very effective cure that was developed and used by a Catholic priest to eradicate a pneumonia epidemic in 1920 related to the Spanish Flu.  It worked then and I believe it will work now as well.  This belief is predicated upon several things:

    1)  The science is such that it adds an extra molecule of oxygen to one's blood, allowing for internal healing.  If you ever had a small cut or wound and place ordinary peroxide on it and then let it heal, absent a bandage, you noticed that it healed rather quickly.  If you placed a bandage or band-aid on it, it still healed but took longer because it was starved of air/oxygen.  Pneumonia starves lungs and other organs of oxygen, thus often ending in death.  FG-H2O2 thus taken is transferred from stomach into blood stream, thus replenishing oxygen to lungs and other vital organs, and often even repairing and undoing prior damage.

    2)  Having used and experienced the healing power, I would not personally use other things until this has first been tried.  It is not a cure-all for everything, but it does seem to work wonders on some viruses, especially pneumonia viruses.  Several people that I suggested this to, went to their doctors who advised them not to do this, and they subsequently died from their illnesses, cancers, or whatever they had.  It is your decision, but I know there are some doctors who are experienced with this that highly recommend it, often in addition to what they are prescribing.  To me it is like the difference between using regular gasoline and high octane.  Some researchers are also successfully using ozone (O3) for treating HIV viruses, because it has even more oxygen than H2 (O2).

    3)  Naturally none of us are going to live forever, but if there is a known and proven cure for such a fast-moving deadly virus, then the world has nothing to lose and everything to gain by applying this to the problem before it sends us all back to the stone age.  This bug is responsible for killing untold numbers of people, and also for bringing the world's economy to the brink of the Greater Depression.  I for one do not want to lose friends, neighbors, relatives, etc., to this nasty sneaky bug.  If this process saved even one life, it would be worth it, but speaking from experience, I believe it will stop this bug in its tracks.

    Note:  If one has stomach ulcers or is prone to them, I would suggest keeping the number of daily drops to a minimum, perhaps around 3 or so.  If one is prone or has stomach ulcers but is also near death, then I would use the maximum up to 5 drops until this acute status is reversed and then cut back to the minimum.  Once virus/pneumonia is reversed, re-treat for ulcers.  Please message me with any and all questions.  Let's eradicate this nasty virus before it eradicates us!  Good Luck to all!

    PS:  Based on several questions and comments, I have added the following response:

    Ordinary water is H2O which contains one oxygen molecule, whereas H2O2 has an extra oxygen molecule in it.  Strength of substance varies from the poisonous, non-consumptive 3% hydrogen peroxide that we buy in the store, which works very well for external cuts, scratches and wounds, all the way up to 90+% which was used in fuel for the space shuttle.  For consumption, however, we need FOOD GRADE H2O2 Hydrogen Peroxide, which normally is a strength of 35% and must be diluted for consumption as explained in my post (comment #32).  There are other Food Grade strengths but these must then be adjusted according to the info posted.  For example a 12% Food Grade would be tripled to 3 drops per 1 and then it would be at (3×12=36) or very near 35%.  Beauty salon Food Grade H2O2 runs around 20-22% so it would seem that around 1.5 drops would approach 35% strength.  As to how this can improve one’s blood, I would assume that it improves one’s oxygen supply enough to overcome the virus.  I am not a doctor or chemist, but have used this for many years, and have read the results of past usage as pertains to the pneumonia epidemic created by the Spanish Flu in 1918-1920 which killed many people around the globe.

    Dr. Thomas Lodi of An Oasis Of Healing in Mesa, AZ has a great web page that better explains this process at:  https://www.anoasisofhealing.com/hydrogen-peroxide-for-cancer/  — there he also explains the oxidation and oxygenation differences and how our bodies immune systems actually create H2O2 within us.  Taking this in food grade form diluted in water actually enhances what our bodies would otherwise normally do, but at times where a given bacteria or virus attack so quickly, it is then necessary or beneficial to artificially temporarily increase this process, especially for those of us who have compromised systems.  Such health facilities have taken this to advanced levels where they use intravenous injections as well as ozone (O3) treatments, mostly for treating cancer viruses or HIV, etc.

    Hope this is helpful, but feel free to inquire if I can be of any further assistance.

    *** As an adjunct to all this, I have also learned, used and added 1-2 drops of quality colloidal 300-PPM silver to the H2O2 that is diluted in filtered water to sip/drink.  Ordinarily I would say add nothing at all, but the colloidal silver and gold assimilate well within dilute H2O2 and enhance each other -- they work very well with it.  I occasionally add colloidal gold which has been found to help with prostate problems in men -- one drop only of the gold, as more may cause diarrhea.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 9:07pm

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    eating from the freezer

    Really good idea, dtrammel. I have some venison from 2-3 years ago, no freezer burn, it has been just begging to be made into chili. With a couple of bags of pinto beans, I may have a couple of canner loads. With enough chilis it won't matter if the power goes out. It will be hot eaten straight from the jar.

    Thanks for reminding me. I had forgotten that was on my to do list. lol

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 9:09pm

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    Are we actually trying to convince someone this is real!!

    There have to be other forums where people who still doubt sars-cov-2, at this point, feel more at home.

    Don’t we have better uses of our time right now than debating endless conspiracy theories?

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 9:20pm

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    Understanding the reality behind the corona virus is the same critical thinking muscle we use for any, "conspiracy theory"

    What do you consider a conspiracy theory Les?  Let's hone the muscle.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 9:27pm

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    Consider the Source

    https://revealingfraud.com/5-2/

    The internet hates me.  I had a much lengthier reply, and the second I hit "post" my server failed, erasing everything.  Read the guy's bio, and decide for yourself how credible he is.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 9:41pm

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    Korean protocols for treating Covid-19

    The below referenced video, at timestamp 2:08, shows an article on the Korea Biomedical Review website that states the official consensus treatment protocol which does include the hydroxychloroquine option .. I think Chris has been looking for such a reference.  I could not find the particular article on the website directly, but I didn't look that hard.   Anyway, here is the video from March 17;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIymfznD7YA

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 9:42pm

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    Mark Janney said:

    Nice analysis!

    I recently thumbed through a book on "Critical Thinking" that pooh-poohed those who doubted the official 9/11 narrative as "conspiracy theorists".   I found that astonishing because it was application of the very techniques the book listed in its earlier chapters, that lead me to doubt that narrative in the first place!   Apparently the author was incapable of applying his own methodology.   In any case, when rhetorical tricks like name-calling are deployed, you know that your opponent can't win the argument based on facts and logic.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 9:57pm

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    Yes, Covid-19 is real, and its ok to be skeptical; no stoning here at PP. :-)

    Hi Scott, LoL, hopefully there'll be no virtual on-line "stoning" here at PP. I think that may be one of the prohibitions on the PP forum rules and guidelines (if not, perhaps should be?).  No stoners here that I'm aware of, but I can't attest to the use of "medical" marijuana by any within the PP tribe. 🙂  It is fine to be skeptical and IMO your question is perfectly legitimate.

    The lack of reliable data and testing certainly complicates getting a better understanding about this disease, its scope and trajectory.  I think the point made about the ability to test for flu to distinguish it from Covid-19 is sound and should be a discriminating metric.

    Like many, I have misgivings about the reported number of cases and deaths in China and elsewhere who, by default with no  Covid testing, were attributed to flu. The lack of testing in China and in other countries would obviously skew and depress the actual numbers of those that actually contract Covid-19, and their outcomes.

    We're following the same "playbook" as China here is the US: don't test, don't count, don't report. This raises doubt and establishes "plausible deniability". The true numbers of Covid-19 infected and dead may never be known, but will be debated for years to come.

    I believe there is sufficient evidence that the novel coronavirus disease actually exists and that people are becoming sick and dying from it in large, increasing, numbers from this pandemic spread.

    My daughter's boyfriend works for San Joaquin County, California. He worked with an elderly man, who subsequently went on a cruise, came back sick, and tested positive for Covid-19 and died.

    If the projections from numerous studies hold true, then everyone, everywhere will know someone who has been sickened and/or died from Covid-19--even with the depressed, inconsistent reporting practices.

    From the extremely lax attitude from local residents in my Central Valley, CA region to "sheltering" at home, I suspect that the number of cases and deaths from Covid-19 will increase significantly in the next 2.5 weeks and thereafter--regardless of whether testing will be available and implemented to appropriately attribute them to this pandemic.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:01pm

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    IPO art investment!

    I'm bustin' out the finger paints now!  Anyone care to invest in an original "thatchmo"?  Sure to appreciate in the coming hyperinflation!  Aloha, Steve.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:07pm

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    PLAN B: Back to work in 2 weeks... Anybody believe this ???

    Trump tweets: "WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!"

    Another article (source: https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/these-plans-to-save-the-economy-arent-going-to-work-20200320 ) speculates that "plan A" is too expensive and risks to topple the system - so a Plan B is likely soon - essentially: get everyone back to work, isolate the over-70's and hope that the case death rate is not more than 1%.

    Anybody think this Plan B scenario is likely??

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:09pm

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    I'll take Two Thatchmo

    Can I pay you in some cruise ship stocks? They're bound to skyrocket once this is all over.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:13pm

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    Personal experience with HB19

    Hi Scott,

    My fitness buddy is down with HB19 symptoms. Unfortunately in the Netherlands we do not test until you are hospitalized.

    I would suggest that you check out some South Korean news. The authorities are extremely transparent, they must be, otherwise very violent protests will ensue. I have worked and lived there for 6 years. The collectivism is an outer facade. People are, in general, highly individualistic, do not trust politicians, very well informed (because of their vast personal networks, directness in communication and due to their wide acceptance of all forms of electronic communication), and prepared to clash violently with authorities when they feel that they are lied to, ignored or cheated. You can for example check out the Korea Herald.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:19pm

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    Dang, Rushcard1! That is a most colorful and inspiring description of coronavirus recuperation!

    Rushcard1, I'm glad you and your wife are feeling better. Your description of your coronavirus illness and recovery is colorful, illuminating and helpful. Thank you!

    Stay well, friend--and keep posting!  🙂

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:22pm

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    Personally know someone who had the Covid19 Virus?

    I like your desire to learn more about the testing etc.  To me the testing is critical and in many cases has been less than helpful.  Yesterday it was announced that a company in CA had been approved to start shipping a test device that they developed and that provides Covid-19 results in around 45 minutes.  They intend to start shipping these this week as quickly as possible to those in need of them.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:24pm

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    rushcard1 said:

    Appreciate your kind words.  Look for my follow-up that provides what appears to me to be the best way to rid people and the world of this Covid-19 virus/pneumonia.  Thanks!

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:27pm

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    rushcard1 said:

    I might trade you for some promised airline vouchers that were never sent for around $426.00 supposedly to offset a cancellation based on their promise that there would be no penalties if Covid-19 related.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:33pm

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    rushcard1 said:

    Yikes -- I think the President and many others are 70+ so does that mean the VP takes over in the interim, or how old is he?  Maybe they can all rule from within a bubble?  Personally I like Plan C better which is my post regarding the Covid-19/pneumonia Cure that was developed 100 years ago in 1920 and worked ..... still does for both cure and prevention -- search for it, read it, try it -- you and yours will be glad you did!

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:46pm

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    starving artist

    It would appear, like most artistic geniuses, I'll die penniless and unappreciated....;^)  Be well,  Aloha, Steve

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:47pm

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    art for investment

    Art is good but takes study, knowledge, special storage, etc.  I like silver for its natural anti-bacterial/viral healing powers.  Stores in any temperature and eats nothing but a bit of space.  Way undervalued today at 120+:1 for gold.  Economic elasticity is unique in that tiny amounts are used per application, meaning that overall price could skyrocket while the cost per application barely moves, except for gouging.  Unfortunately its low cost in conjunction with tiny use per application also prohibits recycling for the most part.  We are then reliant on miners who mine it for higher costs than it costs to buy.  Other miners mine it only as a by-product of other types of mining, like copper.  Nearly all the silver mined is used and used up, except for the small amounts that investors stack for a rainy day.  It likely will again be tested soon for barter if things don't get better soon.  Problem is it is less portable than gold but then nobody is going anywhere soon anyway, until we get this Covid-19 viral pneumonia under control and try to re-establish normalcy.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:51pm

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    art for investment

    I have a relative who is a great artist but then chose to also go to bar-tending school to pay her bills.  She did fine until now and everything is shutting down.  Art is a tough go but can be hugely rewarding, eventually.  One needs to have other activities that pay the bills as you go.  I also think like many things in life, it is a "use it or lose it" talent.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:58pm

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    Masks - why don't we wear them?

    You mentioned in today's video that when you went to Home Depot, you and your fiance were the only ones wearing masks.  I believe we Americans are unsure of wearing masks - unlike the Asian culture.  And being shy about them, it doesn't help when officials and doctors tell you NOT to wear masks. (https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/) ... " “Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!” tweeted Dr. Jerome Adams,  "

    In Michigan, they are asking for the general public to donate their masks so the health care professionals can use them.  If that happens, then no one has any to wear in public activities.   I also heard that same request in the Canada's "Global News" youtube for 3/22/20.    So, what are your thoughts about keeping or giving masks up?  If I cannot purchase masks, then shouldn't we learn how to make them?   Any ideas on this topic?

    Thanks

    P.S.  Hospital promoted and I will try it..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnVk12sFRkY

     

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 11:00pm

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    Personally know someone who had the Covid19 Virus?

    You are so right -- it is disgusting how fast this is spreading and the only real thing people hear is more "paralysis if analysis" than helpful.  Look for and read my post on "Proposed Covid-19 CURE" which tried and true, worked in 1920 and will work in 2020 just as well.  We can always study the details of this, after we have cured it.  Why wait until millions have died while we study and wait for a vaccine or un-tested, un-tried drug for 12-18 months when the cure was found a hundred years ago.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 11:24pm

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    Why Do I Believe Corona Virus Is Real?

    Cause the Rich do

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rich-in-us-trying-to-buy-their-own-ventilators-2020-3

    You've got rich people so freaked out that there's something their money won't save them from. That's not the acts of some global conspiracy.

    BTW not everything bad that happens in the World is some plot by a secret cabal of rich and powerful people, lol. Sometimes the simplest answer is "Yeah, the blasted virus came out of China naturally and is going to kill a lot of people".

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 11:29pm

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    CJC said:

    Hi Chris - May I suggest watching this video made by a Japanese citizen living in Nanjing about the measures China has adopted to cull the spread. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YfsdJGj3-jM
    Agree or disagree, I think we can learn from this. They are using mobile technologies to mitigate the spread.  It appears by all measures to be a neutral fair reporting of what’s happening. One thing of particular note I think is how the government allows people to track where outbreaks have occurred on a map. This seems to demonstrate that they are being very transparent with the public — more so than we usually hear. In fact more transparent than we are in the States...

    Again I’m not endorsing anything, but I think we stand to learn from others.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 11:37pm

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    Do I think that "Plan B" will be implemented? Yes. Will it be effective? No.

    It is uncanny to me that the US seems to be poised to follow the CCP playbook re: this coronavirus pandemic. I'll give it 5 weeks tops before the MSM/CDC narrative shifts to "Yeah! We're winning the war on Covid-19!" celebrating small  "victories" while ignoring or suppressing information concerning the deterioration of the nation's public health/health care systems (and economies).

    One week thereafter, we'll be getting messages and stronger "enforcement" actions to tamp this pandemic down further, albeit temporarily.  This is a process of incrementalism, as the full-Monty of truth regarding this pandemic, failures and related financial implosion would incite world-wide fear, panic, anger and even revolt. 'Can't have that now, can we??

    Such perception management by TPTB will only delay, not detour the pending, unavoidable carnage ahead. While I hope and pray otherwise, I believe the worst--which may be very, very dire--is yet to come.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 11:56pm

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    Stats after pulling out China's and Iran's imaginary numbers...

    Using the stats from worldometer.info/coronavirus, backing out the imaginary numbers being report by China and Iran, might be giving us a little better picture.

    When you hear some talking head about some election poll reporting, and you see there is only 11.9% reporting, you take what they have to say with a grain of salt, so the 34.63% death rate isn't really meaningful. But they will become more so as we move forward. Adding the imaginary numbers coming from China and Iran will <NEVER> return a meaningful number.

    Just as an aside, with states like California doing a bang-up job of not testing, thus not counting, folks they are sure have it, their numbers are meaningless as well. It will be after-the-fact, when retrospective serological testing is done that we really will come to terms with how many folks actually had it. We will have to couple that with population stats to tell us how many people actually died from it. Everything before that is a politically charged imaginary figure.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 12:15am

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    Elong Musk to produce ventilators during shortage?

    Man, this guy is a well-capitalized snake and opportunist. Gotta give him points for leveraging circumstances to meet his corporate profit objectives, though.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-tesla-factories-will-make-ventilators-coronavirus-shortage-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

    So hey, I hear there's a shortage of blood/blood donations. Elon, can you manufacture synthetic blood yet?? Looks "promising"? Ok good enough. How soon? Is a government "investment" or expedited FDA approval needed?'' No problem! All for the "public good" and as expeditiously as possible please--therefore no need for any bothersome bureaucratic processing and oversight. Just sign here.  So how much, and how would you like that "packaged" in the Covid-19 "stimulus" legislation,  along with the ventilators and other PPE/crisis funding?

    Now, let's discuss those tax breaks....

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 1:08am

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    Why people are not wearing masks?

    I think the reasons we are not wearing masks are:  1) News media has regularly stated that the only ones who need to wear masks are those who suspect they have the Covid-19 virus.  They state that the masks will not help others.  2) They want to save the available masks for medical personnel as there is an extreme shortage.  3) Since available masks have risen in price and the media says most people do not need them, people (sheeple) are complying.  In fact such online sources like eBay and Amazon prohibit sales of these as well as all other things used to prevent the spread of it such as cleansers and wipes, hand solutions, etc.  I have a few of these that I sometimes use when in the desert prospecting or when working with chemicals and acids, etc., but now I will wear one whenever I again go out in public, which won't be often but for some reason VA has decided to repeat several C & P exams that I went through last year, so now I will have to attend three of these within the next couple weeks.  It is probably to my advantage but boy, their timing could be better.  They are acting strange and not authorizing back-up meds in case of civil unrest, etc., and now I understand they are sending some in-patients to homeless shelters in order to make room for anticipated Covid-19 patients.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 1:41am

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    What to do prior to the coming inflation?

    First and foremost it would seem logical to develop a non-perishable food supply, both for yourself and family, and also for potential barter.  After that look at security and protection, housing and improvements, durable clothing, alternate means of power and transportation, metals like gold and silver and lead, and an amount of currency that is liquid and can be converted to any of the foregoing items if it starts to seriously deteriorate in purchasing power.  Also paying off any debts that are draining your lifestyle.  That may sound counter-productive, but to me it always seems like these things develop a life of their own, so that we could see extremes of interest rates, deflationary conditions simultaneous with hyperinflation, and a government of the banks, by the banks, and for the banks.  Not that I have any problem with banks, but we now have tons more derivatives and overall debt than prior to the 08-09 crash.  That only happened because we bailed out Wall Street and the banks but failed to bail out Main Street.  Life today is a boomerang of that failure which fixed nothing.  Unfortunately we have to deal with this nasty Covid-19 virus/pneumonia at the same time that everything was already starting to crumble.  I foresee a minimum deficit this year for our nation that could easily exceed $5 Trillion with the normal $1 Trillion we have been experiencing plus the $2+ Trillion just authored to bail out banks and Wall Street and now another $2+ Trillion to finally bail out the people.  Problem is that this is only for the short term and if this bug lasts many months which is entirely possible and in fact probably, then we could see these numbers go crazy beyond comprehension.  You can only stretch this fiat money thing so far before it starts in earnest to devalue and lose purchasing power.  At some future breaking point people will come to the conclusion that it is all becoming worthless.  I even flipped in mind and think that now is a good time to simply declare a national jubilee and send every man, woman, and child in the country a payment of $1 Million, have them pay off all debts, and then crash it all in order to re-establish a backed currency, perhaps a combo of gold, silver and crypto, and start over with a clean slate.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 1:52am

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    Why people are not wearing masks?

    Excellent take and question -- I think we could in fact make our own masks. The masks are primarily to stop tiny particles of moisture in the air and could as such be made from many types of cloth, the finer the micro-hole in the cloth the better, as long as one can still easily breath through them.  None will be 100% effective as even the existing store-bought ones are no better.  I would suggest bed sheets that have fine count material.  You have a great idea, and that is what is going to need to be re-learned by people -- Ingenuity.  We have lost much of this due to the disposable society but it is still lingering in the backs of our minds if we only tap into it.  When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 2:09am

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    Community action

    I think we are behind the 8 ball on all this and in many ways.  To me since everything is shut down, it would make more sense to keep existing hospitals and clinics the way they have always been and without exposure to Covid-19 virus/pneumonia.  Every community has some large buildings like civic centers, convention centers, school gymnasiums, etc.  We need to set up separate temporary facilities with beds and other things like food and hygienic facilities, supplies to treat people with the only known cure, and shared medical personnel who can monitor and administer this.  Mobile test vehicles could be stationed directly in the area where testing could be done and decisions made within an hour or less as to whether or not one is found healthy or with the virus and then proceed to deal with that.

    Never thought I would say this, but China had the advantage of totalitarian authority to order things done without our delaying paralysis if analysis.  We need to act and act now to extremely restrict movement, test people, treat people and clean up the mess so that life can begin to return to normalcy.  See my post on proposed Cure for Covid-19 and pneumonia.  This works and also worked in 1920 to eradicate Spanish Flu and pneumonia epidemic.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 2:15am

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    What man in video is saying?

    Excellent translation and comment!  Good for you.  This stupid virus is going to end up bringing people together, probably all around the globe.  We all have this situation in common and can thus learn and help each other, above and beyond any other problems or concerns which all now appear trivial in comparison.  Kudos!

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 3:43am

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    May be Governements got exactly what they wanted??

    Three German virologists hint exactly at the same issue! Very soon there wont be any difference between communist China and the Western world and PP is playing their game.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-crackdown-beware-new-normal

    And they are re-forging society to a shape that better suits their purposes, attempting to change what people consider “normal”.

    How do we know that? Because they are telling us.

    The Guardian alone has had three opinion pieces discussing the “new normal” in less than a week, two of them on the same day. The technocrats and eugenicists are all over it too, barely containing their glee that the “world will never be the same”.

    Perhaps the only good news is, en masse, the public don’t seem to be totally convinced. In fact, oddly enough, the alternate media crowd seem a lot more caught up in the hysteria than those who only vaguely follow the news. An NPR poll showed that 56% of Americans think the virus is being overblown. Hence everyone from Taylor Swift to Kylie Jenner insisting it “is a real thing”.

    In one key area, the Coronavirus Bill tells the absolute truth: “Public support and compliance is crucial”. They need our permission to do this. Do we really want to grant it?

    It’s really important that we all wake up to what is happening here. Because the police state they want to birth is a disease with a much higher death-rate than 2%, and it won’t be cured with two-weeks bed-rest.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 5:04am

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    Maybe...maybe...

    If this is a "hidden in plain sight" event (and I can easily see how it might be), then its audacity and scale is remarkable, impressive and worrying.

    If a "miracle cure" emerges soon, the chaos calms down, the markets return to a 45 degree upward trend - and all the newly implemented rules, restrictions and injected money stay in place - then this event will feel mighty suspicious to me too.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 5:12am

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    Germany Figures

    I’m living in Belgium 10 miles (ca. 16 km) from the German Border.
    Belgium, Netherlands, France, Spain etc are all testing sick people. Only sick people !!!
    Positives have Corona, negatives are people with other diseases like normal flu etc.

    But Germany is doing more systematic testing, so they have a lot more positives !!!  But a lot of these ‘positives’ do not have complaints or just very little, their not hospitalized.
    This is why they have (till now) a better death-rate.
    Germany was better prepared than other countries. They had more tests, more masks, more IC-beds at the start…

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 6:34am

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    Death of a friend from COVID-19

    Also yes.  Dr. Sergio Trinidade, a Brazilian friend of mine living in the US died of this virus last Thursday in a New York hospital. Yes, it is real.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 6:52am

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    Mask Story or be careful out there in public

    I went to my local food coop yesterday to buy more seeds and make a last fresh food run.  First, it was incredibly time consuming and challenging to sanitize or quarantine everything upon returning home.  Second, at one point, after about 60 minutes, I got that feeling like I had been holding my breath or was under thick blankets for too long - probably from rebreathing too much air as the moisture built up in my N95.  I can see how older folks and people not in the best health would not be able to wear an N95 for very long. Third, I saw one other N95 and maybe 5 surgical masks in a moderately busy store.  Several, but not all of the cash registers had plexiglass from about solar plexus to well above the head all along the check out area on the customers side.  Staff all had gloves, but not one had a mask.

    Now - why to be careful.  I bought some dried calendula flowers, a medicinal herb that helps with chronic sinus issues.  As I turned around from filling my jar, an older gentleman (70s?) was suddenly maybe 3.5-4 feet from me and said "That (the calendula) looks like the coronavirus!", and then proceeded to laugh a rather throaty laugh.  I'm glad I had my mask and at least glasses (wish I had had goggles).  I just smiled and said "yes".  I wish I had then gone on to say "I notice you're not wearing a mask.  Do you mind if I ask you why?", but alas I didn't think of it at the moment.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 7:26am

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    Clif and Chaga

    This gentleman, Clif High, has some very specific recommendations for treating the illness, including high doses of Vit C/Vit D and Chaga mushroom extract. Lengthy video, but the medicinal talk is about half an hour in

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Vofr7IpY8

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 7:33am

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    They Aren't Fun

    I'm not going out to stores now, but a couple weeks ago when I did, I wore an N95 for the first time.  Can't imagine trying to do anything strenuous while wearing one.  Just sitting in the car seat I felt like I was suffocating.  Granted, I'm old (74) but don't normally have any respiratory problem.  It sure didn't take me 60 minutes to feel uncomfortable in it.  Anyway, good to see you sanitized your purchases.  I've been doing that too, and it's a very time-consuming pain.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 7:38am

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    Backlash against China coming?

    https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/china-recovering-quickly-from-coronavirus-is-a-curse-20200311

    "By taking a series of draconian public health measures China appears to have halted the coronavirus domestically and may be on the way to a quick economic recovery.

    Meanwhile the pandemic is just getting underway elsewhere. What's troubling is that few other countries have the social, political or surveillance tools to replicate what China has done and that is likely to result in a much worse outcome.

    An entirely plausible result is that with 4000 deaths, the source of the virus is one of the least-hard hit countries and economies. Investors there have already been spared the kind of pain we see elsewhere -- the Shanghai Composite Index flat year-to-date compared to losses of 9-26% in all other major global indexes.

    Some of that is undoubtedly due to government interference in the markets but Beijing might be wise to allow a bit more pain, if only as an act of contrition.

    Picture how the rest of the world will react if there are millions dead and suffering while the source of the virus escapes largely unscathed?

    Politicians (mainly in the US) have been stoking anti-China sentiment for the past 3 years and promoting a decoupling. Themes about thievery by Chinese companies and other forms of cheating are widespread and already resonating with the public.

    Baring a miracle turn in this pandemic, the result isn't just going to be short-term economic damage. It's going to be an aggressive, costly, long-term decoupling of China from the US and probably much of the world. Many will cheer that, but the economic cost will be high.

    The China strategy so far has been to isolate the US and it's been somewhat effective but COVID-19 will create an anti-China sentiment that pushes many to the other side and hardens US resolve.

    People are going to be angry, they're going to point the finger and they're going to want some kind of revenge. It will be economic, long-lasting and irreversible.

    The blame game has already started."

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 7:54am

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    German Numbers

    Does Chris ever read YouTube comments? The German number story has been clarified there by me and others in every one of his updates where he keeps wondering about the low numbers. For Germany, severe numbers have never been counted by world meter after the initial value of 2 that was taken from a press article. The fatality appears so low because there are relatively few old people infected since most infections were imported from Italy vacations or were spread during Carnival festivities. Check this map.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 7:56am

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    Agreed Mr. Curious...

    I am drinking Chaga, "tea" as I write this.  I tried my best to promote this and the broader field of mycological anti-virals in the last month or so here - but I think it continues to bear repeating.

    I purchased my dried Chaga powder to brew a tea from;  https://www.upchagaconnection.com/

    You can learn quite a bit about mushrooms and find other products in various forms (I use the capsules) on Paul Stamets website for his company Host Defense.  Oops... no longer accepting orders on the website... maybe you can find some of his stuff (or similar) in your health food store;    https://hostdefense.com/

    Stay healthy my friends,  Jim

     

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 7:57am

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    Not a Debt Jubilee, maybe just a

    https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818343720/homeowners-hurt-financially-by-the-coronavirus-may-get-a-mortgage-break

    Homeowners who have lost income or their jobs because of the coronavirus outbreak are getting some relief. Depending on their situation, they should be eligible to have their mortgage payments reduced or suspended for up to 12 months.

    Federal regulators, through the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are ordering lenders to offer homeowners flexibility. The move covers about half of all home loans in the U.S. — those guaranteed by Fannie and Freddie. But regulators expect that the entire mortgage industry will quickly adopt a similar policy.

    Under the plan, people who have suffered a loss of income can qualify to make reduced payments or be granted a complete pause in payments.

    "That forbearance is up to 12 months, depending on their particular situation," says Mark Calabria, director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which oversees Fannie and Freddie.

    You can look up your mortgage to see if its backed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac here

    https://www.knowyouroptions.com/loanlookup

    Might be something to move on quickly, just to have your options lined up.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 8:03am

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    What do you consider a conspiracy theory Les? Let’s hone the muscle.

    I’m not interested in conspiracy theories right now and have little interest in the market mayhem.  The “markets” were doomed to fail soon anyway.  I could have wished for a pin to burst the bubbles, instead of a Gatling gun, but that is not what we got.

    I’ve been down the “I need to understand what happened” road before.  All the time I spent reading about WTC 7, ultimately did nothing to improve my life circumstances.  I won’t say that effort was a mistake, but also won’t repeat it now.

    I’m going to continue to focus on SARS-cov-2 and how to incorporate that reality into my life and future plans.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 8:34am

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    leadership

    Andrew Cuomo Gov NY is doing GREAT daily updates.  this is link for Sunday's.  today's going on right now

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 8:42am

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    How to make a mask -i nstructional video

    https://www.atlantichealth.org/patients-visitors/donate-volunteer/donate-supplies-covid-19/make-facemask-help-covid-19.html?

    From Atlantic Health System- they want these handmade sewn masks of 2 layers of soft flannel.

    mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT1RSalpHWXdabU5rTVRCayIsInQiOiI3XC93UjZDdHk5TEErNlVlTWlmbTFVa1RRZ3dLQWZjR2lSaW5qeTRpdTJQRWdHd0lWYTNleE9HbEh5WTR3dnd0VE50VHBIWkdLXC9xcXJvU2ZSZFFRSHJCWW1aWUdxcHBFelpKdkpiNHVkU2FudUpoUXlQNEdxK2wrWjhsYnNYc0VVIn0%253D

    I thought there was a post that reported India using 4 layers of cotton.

    If these were then soaked in saltwater- it seems like that would help.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 8:48am

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    matfax said:

    Please beware of taking IL-6 boosters such as Chaga mushroom. It will most likely cause adverse reactions and increase your fatality risk. I explained this topic here. The immune system isn't something you can simply "boost". It doesn't work that way.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 9:02am

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    PhilH said:

    Michigan Gov just issued a lock down order for 3 weeks

     

    https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-522626--,00.html

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 9:30am

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    Parking Garage Vanderbilt Univ Hospital Converted to Overflow Beds

    I am relieved that some planners are taking this seriously and can see the writing on the wall.

    Posted by a nurse friend.  Taken at Vanderbilt University Hospital in Nashville, TN, the Parking Garage.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 9:33am

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    New Guide Created From Lessons Learned By China's Hospital System

    NEW (3.23.20): we've just received this Handbook Of Covid-19 Prevention & Treatment guide, compiled by Zhejiang University's School of Medicine and based off of clinical learnings from China's hospitals as they've battled the virus over the past two months. It's written for medical professionals, but has a lot of good insights and recommendations.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 9:37am

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    wotthecurtains

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    Looking for help with nebulizer

    I just ordered an oxygen concentrator  (from a vendor inside my country shipping from a location not yet talking of lockdown so I think Ill probably get it).

     

    It comes with one nasal tube and Id like to get a mask for it.  But Id also like to look for a nebulizer locally.  What Im wondering is I see kits like this on Amazon (which Im sure ships from China so I wont bother) https://www.amazon.ca/Pawfly-Universal-Compressor-Replacement-Mouthpiece/dp/B07P8PLVF2/ref=sr_1_18?keywords=nebulizer&qid=1584981182&sr=8-18

     

    It has a vaporizor part on it.  Could I buy a kit like this and just use that as a nebulizer on the machine I just bought?  The machine is linked here in case it helps:

     

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/333534095596

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 10:05am

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    Matfax - chaga

    I continue to think this view is oversimplified.  I think you are correct in that, once the lungs are fully involved, Chaga, which can stimulate, among other things, IL-6, is probably not the answer.  I though am using it prophylactically.

    This is the same discussion we had regarding Elderberry... people get freaked out about the, "cytokine storm" idea.  I am thinking though about the very early stages of an infection - I want my immune system to win the battle then and there.  You are thinking about long after the war has been lost, when the lungs are engulfed.

     

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 10:12am

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    centroid said:

    your saying food grade is 35% and the store kind is at 3% and the 3% one is more dangerous?

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 10:15am

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    centroid said:

    reply to rushcard: "why are people not wearing masks". look at this vid from australia during a "national press club" address (sponsored by the government). watch for the dumb ass comments at around the 35 minute mask:

    WATCH THIS CHRIS OR ADAM!. i’m an Australian and this is “a national press club” interview with “experts” in epidemiology etc and in particular at around the 36 minute mark where 2-3 of these experts say masks don’t matter:

    https://iview.abc.net.au/show/national-press-club-address

    all i can say is Wow!. thanks for your material which overwhelming supports mask usage

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 10:39am

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    no, the masks aren't fun, but...

    I agree, wearing them is difficult.  Which is probably why both my doctor and local fire chief and paramedic say don't bother.  On the other hand, my husband is 80 this year with a history of asthma, I'm in my 70s, and taking chances isn't on our to-do list.  So if I HAVE to go out,  1) I pre-order, 2) cover the car seats and trunk with clean sheets, 3) have a mask, wipes, gloves, sanitizer with me, 4) only wear the mask when it's obvious I'm going to be in closer than 6 feet contact with anyone (and take it off carefully from the straps afterwards, not touching the outer surface), and 5) get home, wipe everything down and launder the sheets and outer clothing.  Painstaking, but we shouldn't have to go out more than every 3 or so weeks, if that, especially as there are some younger folks in the neighbourhood who are doing a little business in grocery pick-ups for others, who we will support for most things.  Also, I'm a prepper from way back living in earthquake country, so a certain amount of choice is built in.

    But it does worry me, the way the authorities really discourage the use of masks. There's an element of implied paranoia or "!hoarder!" about wearing them in this environment.  If questioned, I just say we have asthma in the family, which sort of backs people off.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 11:07am

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    False numbers

    Here in the Netherlands only a scarce few are walking with masks. I have had Covid like millions of others. Yes people get sick but only a few.

    So i am not worried now. But the chances of this coming back for a second, deadly, round is keeping me awake. Vitamine C prepping and i will follow the story about Chloroquine.

    And i will try C60. A maybe underrated and underestimated goody.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 11:27am

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    Wear a mask if available.

    Social pressures and culture makes a person feel like they are some kind of alien walking around people while wearing a mask. I call it Maskaphobia.  I too have been the only one in stores wearing a mask receiving strange or terrified looks. The plus is people avoid you, which forces social distancing.

    I know a person that has tested positive for CV19 and it hit them like a freight train. High fever cough and aches. Their spouse is supposed to be self isolating yet is out today gathering food because they did not prepare in advance. I know there must be more like them in the packed stores breaking quarantine.

     

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 11:32am

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    IL-6, immunity, and exercise

    My discussion with Madfax regarding Chaga, cytokine-storms, and immunity, caused me to do more reading.  One thing that caught my eye multiple times in reading about the virus, including what Sandpuppy documented yesterday from his ER doc. facebook group, is the incidence of, "marathon runners" on ventilators.  What the heck is this about if the disease mainly hits the old and co-morbid?

    Well, at it turns out, exercise is well known to influence cytokines;

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4864530/

    In conclusion, our study of long-term physical exercise performed in three different trials showed a significant increase in plasma levels of the cytokines IL-6, IL-8, and IL-10, whereas TNFα and IL-1β levels were unchanged or reduced. Our study supports the open window theory by an “open window” of altered immunity after long-term physical exercise and which lasts for at least 72 hours after the exercise. The results support the J-curve theory; athletes are more sensitive to pathogens in the immediate period after intensive physical exercise, probably due to the exercise-induced inflammatory state that can exaggerate the response to coincidentally occurring pathogens.

    We may be on to something here....

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 11:34am

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    macro2682

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    QE Infinity +1

    I look forward to reading Chris's alert.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 11:41am

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    Alert: JMBullion has fractional phyz gold and silver in stock now

    After being out of stock due to intense supply and demand issues, JMBullion has physical, fractional gold and silver in stock NOW, but going fast.

    I posted details in the PP Gold & Silver forum here.

    Website:  www.jmbullion.com

    Disclosure:  I don't have any business or personal interests or relationships with JMBullion or its personnel.

     

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 11:52am

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    First time today wearing mask

    I kept putting off picking up some rxs from the store pharmacy. So I finally put on a dust mask and brought along a vinyl glove. No one gave me any weird looks at all. I put the glove on when I had to enter some info on the computer. I noted a box of thin tissues like ones used to pick up donuts in a case. I think that would work if one could pick one up to grab the pen with. There was also a sanitizer dispenser there. Anyway, I would bet that everyone would wear a mask if they were available. Our county just reported a few cases for the first time 2 days ago. The store was very very busy.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 11:59am

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    matfax said:

    It's wise of you to differentiate it. The article that is referenced in this post recommends Chaga for reinfections (i.e., cytokine storms) and Whiskey + Elderberry for emergency cases though. That was a bit of a thorn in my eye. I strongly advise against it.

    There might be a benefit in increasing IL-6 during the early phase in a limited manner. But I have no data of how much of the mushroom you need to consume and at what level it can be considered an overtake during viral lung infections. I only know that normal IL-6 levels are the ultimate goal for a healthy immune response. Neither low nor high IL-6 levels are desirable. So people with inflammatory diseases are advised to rather lower their IL-6 levels (e.g., by taking Vitamine D) and people with weak immune systems to increase their levels within the reference range. Athletes can try to take Vitamine C after their exercise.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 12:21pm

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    Re: food grade hydrogen peroxide cure

    Rushcard1 - thanks for the detailed instruction.  as i understand hydrogen peroxide is about 94% oxygen.  in the small dropperful amounts, how can that amount create significant oxygen boost in blood?

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 1:04pm

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    Jim, with regards to the health of marathon runners

    Most of them have improved their physical fitness in terms of their VO2 max and other parameters of aerobic fitness but the majority that I've known, I would not consider healthy in the all around sense of the word.  Many of them look, in fact, like they just got out of Dachau.  Many of them also have obsessive personalities where the exercise is compensation for something lacking in their lives and/or a form of endorphin induced self medication to deal with deeper psychological and life issues.  Most importantly, most of them put an excess amount of oxidative stress upon their bodies with increased free radical production actually damaging their bodies.  Many also run alongside roads and are, as my EPA friend would describe it, functioning as "biofilters".

    It comes back to one of the rules of health I mentioned to Les in a previous post ... balance.  No exercise is bad, moderate exercise is good, too much exercise (volume, intensity, duration, etc.) is not good.  This is not only true of marathon runners but many other extreme athletes as well.  In the late 1970s and early 1980s, before many American athletes had incorporated the principles of periodicity researched and practiced in the Eastern Bloc (which references another rule of health I mentioned to Les ... cycles), the early triathletes competing in such extreme events as the Hawaii Iron Man, were dropping like flies from various infections, brought on by over-training with subsequent weakening of their immune systems.

    And it isn't only aerobic athletes who experience these problems.  When I was in college, I was an instructor in a health club as a part-time job and befriended a long time high level body builder.  One of the things I learned from him is how unhealthy most body builders are, a circumstance often driven by the same obsessive behavior that plagues marathon runners driving them to go to extremes in ways that were not healthy for them.

    Hans Selye's General Adaptation Syndrome describe 3 stages of adaptation to stress.

    1) an Alarm stage

    2) a Resistance stage

    3) an Exhaustion stage

    In training, you want to cycle between the Alarm stage and the Resistance stage and avoid the Exhaustion.  That's more challenging for obsessive personalities who operate on the thesis that, if some is good, more is better. Checking one's morning resting heart beat is a simple measure of your stress level.  If it starts rising, it's wise to back off on one's training or do whatever is necessary to reduce one's level of stress.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 1:05pm

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    Sorry, but the H2O2 advice is just chemically wrong

    Sorry, folks, the idea that hydrogen peroxide is going to boost blood oxygen levels is just wrong, and may be dangerous.  H2O2 is a non-specific, highly active oxygenated agent. If it gets into your blood it will oxidize all kinds of molecules...including molecules that you don't want to have oxidized.  I want to see the proof in a published, peer-reviewed scientific study before I will believe this even one teeny bit.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 2:48pm

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    Turning Japanese

    The Fed has pulled out all the stops, thrown all the life rings, and lowered all the boats (with only the elite on them); https://www.etf.com/sections/features-and-news/fed-says-it-will-buy-corporate-bond-etfs?nopaging=1.

    It's got nothing left.  Which means, we are....

    http://www.mtvasia.com/music/videos/s7js7l/Turning-Japanese

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 2:57pm

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    With respect

    Nobody fell for 9/11, buildings collapsed people died, agendas were justified. IT HAPPENED! Why, who, where, what? Speculation....

     

    still we live with the consequences. Look at your feet, not the stars. These times require pragmatism first...

     

    well that’s my take.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 3:24pm

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    Could someone check if the JMBullion site is down?

    I keep getting a "bad server request error" #400 message regardless of how I try to access the www.JMBullion.com site. I checked the "IsItDownForMe" site which indicates that it was down about 4 hours ago but is up and running now. I placed an order this morning that went through fine.

    Would someone on this thread give it a try? Their site may be down due to overloaded traffic.

    Thanks!

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 3:28pm

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    Jim H.: Really?

     

    Clearly I hit a nerve, but how can you say I am "acting as a denialist to 9/11 truth", Jim H.?

    Read what I wrote.  Here is what I said (and *all* I said about 9/11):  "9/11 actually happened".  It seems you read a *LOT* into that one short phrase, and suddenly you think you know everything about me and what I do and do not know.

    I have read about WTC-7, and I agree that there are questions that remain unanswered.  But that's not the same thing as knowing the answers -- in fact, it is exactly the opposite thing.

    As someone else said upthread, I spent some energy on this and it got me nowhere.  (Incidentally, I don't really know who really shot JFK, either.)  Like most everyone here (at PP), I am deeply skeptical of the stories we're told by those in power.  But I'm mainly a practical person, trying to live my life the best I can with the information I have (and my own ability to reason).

    I apologize for injecting this red herring into the discussion.  That was my bad.  But I don't much like it when people lash out at me when I haven't done a single thing to them.  Makes me want to go back to just reading and not engaging.  (Was that your goal?)

    I sense a lot of stress in these trying times -- in myself and in others.  Maybe we can all just chill a little...

     

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 3:29pm

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    Chris' newest video, live now: "Even the Young & Healthy are Getting Covid-19" (3/23/20)

    Even The Young & Healthy Are Getting The Coronavirus (3/23/20)

    https://youtu.be/EzaHBM7PP8A

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 3:45pm

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    i've tried THREE times to post this with no success - what gives?

    So let's try again.  I wanted to respond to Nordicjack who was commenting on how he didn't believe the low CFR was correct.  I am of the same belief.  If you get on the Worldometer site and look down at Closed Cases and under that, look at Deaths, the numbers have been revealing.  I've watched those numbers climb day by day from low to higher and higher ... from 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and now today to 14%.  So in the Closed Case category, 14% of the people have died.  That number, to me, seems at variance with a much lower claimed CFR.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 3:49pm

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    rushcard1 said:

    Ordinary water is H2O which contains one oxygen molecule, whereas H2O2 has an extra oxygen molecule in it.  Strength of substance varies from the poisonous, non-consumptive 3% hydrogen peroxide that we buy in the store, which works very well for external cuts, scratches and wounds, all the way up to 90+% which was used in fuel for the space shuttle.  For consumption, however, we need FOOD GRADE H2O2 Hydrogen Peroxide, which normally is a strength of 35% and must be diluted for consumption as explained in my post (comment #32).  There are other Food Grade strengths but these must then be adjusted according to the info posted.  For example a 12% Food Grade would be tripled to 3 drops per 1 and then it would be at (3x12=36) or very near 35%.  Beauty salon Food Grade H2O2 runs around 20-22% so it would seem that around 1.5 drops would approach 35% strength.  As to how this can improve one's blood, I would assume that it improves one's oxygen supply enough to overcome the virus.  I am not a doctor or chemist, but have used this for many years, and have read the results of past usage as pertains to the pneumonia epidemic created by the Spanish Flu in 1918-1920 which killed many people around the globe.

    Dr. Thomas Lodi of An Oasis Of Healing in Mesa, AZ has a great web page that better explains this process at:  https://www.anoasisofhealing.com/hydrogen-peroxide-for-cancer/  -- there he also explains the oxidation and oxygenation differences and how our bodies immune systems actually create H2O2 within us.  Taking this in food grade form diluted in water actually enhances what our bodies would otherwise normally do, but at times where a given bacteria or virus attack so quickly, it is then necessary or beneficial to artificially temporarily increase this process, especially for those of us who have compromised systems.  Such health facilities have taken this to advanced levels where they use intravenous injections as well as ozone (O3) treatments, mostly for treating cancer viruses or HIV, etc.

    Hope this is helpful, but feel free to inquire if I can be of any further assistance.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 4:35pm

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    Drinking dilute hydrogen peroxide - message #13

    Hi Dr Bruce,

    I too really doubt there could be any health benefits of drinking a low concentration mixture of hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) just based on the amount of oxygen (O2) available in the H2O2 in his mixture.

    According to the recipe given, 2 drops (~0.1 mL) of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide are mixed with 8 oz of water (~240 mL). 35% means 35 parts H2O2 and 65 parts H2O.

    These 2 drops of 35% food grade H202 contain 0.035 mL of H2O2. Two molecules of H2O2 break down into 2 molecules of H2O and one molecule of O2. Using basic chemistry, 0.035ml of H2O2 would produce ~3x10^21 molecules of O2, which is the amount contained in 2 average inhalations. 1 L of air has ~2.8x10^21 molecules of O2 and the average tidal volume of a breath is ~500mL.

    Don’t see how that’s going to help much, even if this extra O2 in your stomach made it into your blood instead of making bubbles and a burp. A brisk walk outside would give you more oxygen than this drink.

    A google search shows that drinking 35% H2O2 without dilution is bad:

    https://www.poison.org/articles/2012-jun/hydrogen-peroxide

     

    3% H2O2 is not poisonous and can be used as a mouth wash (1 part 3% H2O2, 2 parts water): or as an antiseptic or disinfectant.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324121

    If the belief in using this “cure” works for him, it doesn’t seem harmful.

    It reminds of this old patent medicine from the 1880’s, Radam’s Microbe Killer.

    Microbes, and the little information available on them in the 19th century, made it possible for William Radam to pull off one of the biggest medical hoaxes of all time. In Texas in the 1800’s entrepreneurs were taking advantage of the ignorance of the population commonly targeting the scientifically illiterate. Patents for chemical products did not begin in the United States until 1925 and mysterious, scientifically-unproven cures were common in the medical field. William Radam who was from Prussia had moved to Austin, Texas as a young man. He owned a nursery and gardening store for 20 years, until he became seriously ill in 1885. He used his skills as a botanist to develop a cure for his illness. Using plant based ingredients prepared in a special tank and then infusing this into water he created a “medicine” he called the “Microbe Killer” and claimed that it killed all microbes in your blood. As microbes were known to cause diseases, logic would suggest that killing all of them in your blood would cure you. He marketed and sold the Microbe Killer in gallon jugs for $3.00 and bottles for $1.00. The jugs were made of stoneware while the bottles, made of brown glass, and had an interesting engraving on them that today’s bottle collector’s still desire. The engraving shows a man attempting to swing a club at a skeleton with the words “Microbe Killer” on the club. Factories to make the Microbe Killer were built and opened, not only in the United States but also in England and Australia. Radam had thousands of testimonies from people citing the benefits of the Microbe Killer and he became very wealthy from the sales of his product until he death in 1902 of a heart condition. It would not be until 1913 that William Radam’s secret was revealed. The Microbe Killer was analyzed by the food and drug administration and it was determined that each bottle of Microbe Killer was nothing more than plain water with just the slightest bit of Sulfuric Acid added, almost undetectable. Previous statements concerning the Microbe Killer were deemed fraudulent and US marshals seized the remaining stock of the Microbe Killer.

    Mark – a bored science guy with too much time on his hands.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 4:39pm

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    Yes, Really

    I have read about WTC-7, and I agree that there are questions that remain unanswered.  But that’s not the same thing as knowing the answers — in fact, it is exactly the opposite thing.

    We know exactly what happened.  All structural support was removed at the same time, which is pretty much the definition of a controlled collapse.

    We have the following data, which, when added to the new UofAlaska study makes the case complete, as it was needed to counter the false NIST report;

    1)  Physics - acceleration due to gravity.  This only happens with no structural support.  Many other steel framed skyscrapers have been more engulfed in fire.. none have ever fallen.  In fact they are designed not to fall, since steel doesn't melt at these temperatures

    2)  Chemistry - Multiple PhD level scientists have looked at the dust from 9/11 and identified both the remains of thermite that has been consumed (basically micro spheres of Iron) and unreacted, highly engineered nanothermite that has the expected atomic fingerprint (Fe, Al, O, S).  As well, one materials scientist collected samples of these red particles and ran them on a differential scanning calorimeter - the result was a highly exothermic reaction once the ignition temp. was reached.  Clearly at least some of the charges used to destroy the columns were shaped charges of nanothermite.

    3)  Molten steel - there were many observations of molten steel in and around the pits from the disaster.  As well, satellite imaging from that day showed temperatures that were not possible via kerosene fires.  It is likely that the nanothermite, which can cut through structural steel like butter if properly directed, was at least in part responsible for the residual high temperatures that melted fireman's boots for days after the fall.

    So it's not just something 0dd about that building 7  - we know for a fact that some element within our own gov't played a role in taking down those buildings.

     

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 4:53pm

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    Prolonged presence of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA in faecal samples

    Prolonged presence of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA in faecal samples
    Published:March 19, 2020DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S2468-1253(20)30083-2

    "Our data suggest the possibility of extended duration of viral shedding in faeces, for nearly 5 weeks after the patients' respiratory samples tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 RNA.

    Although knowledge about the viability of SARS-CoV-2 is limited, 1 the virus could remain viable in the environment for days, which could lead to faecal–oral transmission, as seen with severe acute respiratory virus CoV and Middle East respiratory syndrome CoV.2

    Therefore, routine stool sample testing with real-time RT-PCR is highly recommended after the clearance of viral RNA in a patient's respiratory samples.

    Strict precautions to prevent transmission should be taken for patients who are in hospital or self-quarantined if their faecal samples test positive."

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langas/article/PIIS2468-1253(20)30083-2/fulltext

    This paper poses many questions. There are implications for sewage facility staff, plumbers, municipal sewer workers and wastewater plant operators. Most sewer plants aerate sewage, to provide additional oxygen for microbes to digest sewage solids. 

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 5:00pm

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    Personal

    yes, I have a close friend here in Miami with it.  Gone to ER once but didn’t need to be admitted.  Can’t walk up a flight of steps w/o sitting down to rest. Blood O2 at 93 today.  Been over a week now.  Whole family starting to get sick.  Also the father of a grad student at my university on a ventilator.  2 different families at my son’s high school.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 5:50pm

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    You Don't Get It

     

    Look, Jim H.

    My "Really" was in regards to you calling me a "denialist".  I don't like being called names -- on this site especially (but anywhere, generally).  Is that something you're able to comprehend?

    I don't give a $#!+ about the details of your beliefs about WTC-7.  Clearly these are very important to you, but they don't matter to me AT ALL.  So you won't respect me -- I get it.  And I've gotten over it already.  But there are things in my life that are far more important to me right now.

    So, as I said before, I apologize for bringing it up in the first place.  That was a mistake, and I own it.  But please can we just get back to the end of the world as we know it?

     

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 6:09pm

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    AUSTRALIA............

    Hey Chris.....
    not sure if you know or not, but here in Australia, they are NOT eating unless you fit a certain criteria, loads and loads of people are turning up to testing centres but are turned away or refused testing because they don’t fit the criteria..........as of today Tuesday 24 March , 4 states have closed their borders, however as of the last few days each state has branched off a national guideline, instead they are doing their own thing, hence the border closures, we’re still having panic shopping going on although it seems to be slowly settling......small business is closing fast, social distancing is still being laughed at...thousands are loosing their jobs daily or are being laid off......

    I honestly think the numbers in Australia are a lot higher than they say........we are not testing everyone, it’s like they are waiting for people to get sick...........

     

    I will post every day if I can, I’m one of the lucky ones who still has a job.....

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 8:28am

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    kharadkarsandeep1 said:

    All over the world, the coronavirus has became a pandemic. Also see this - https://askjoker.com/what-is-coronavirus-covid-19 The total number has excedded more thank 3,00,000 peoples are infected.

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 10:56am

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    Pipyman: I can maintain comprehensive awareness.

    This is my life. I am solely responsible for it. I think for myself.
    I am not here to submit to any mayor or a governor or a president or banker or child trafficker.
    I choose what is right based on what I see and know.
    I find it best to not trust others but to see for myself before drawing a conclusion.
    This is why I mentioned 9/11.
    The who, what, where, when and why are important because peace and justice are core to the agreement of a civilized society.
    If the authorities will not honor the contract then you do not have an agreement.
    They have their agenda and I have mine: my personal well-being.
    I can see the forest and the trees.
    When civilization is civilized, I will work with it.
    When it lies, cheats, steals and murders, I will #######.

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 5:00pm

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    Pipyman: I can maintain comprehensive awareness.

    Scott:  LOL -- Chill out my friend, some of us have already been there as well, but it sometimes helps to explain one's perspective, and you did so brilliantly.  Comprehensive (Situational)-Awareness is very important in all walks of life ----- Thank You for sharing yours with all of us!

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 5:53pm

    rushcard1

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    Drinking dilute hydrogen peroxide - message #13

    MCH - Mark:  Appreciate your comment regarding the H2O2 process.  I am saddened by your inability to understand or appreciate what I have freely provided, but then some of that is understandable.  I am not a doctor or chemist or even a person or company trying to sell anything, only an ordinary caring citizen who knows about and has experience with this process.  People need to carefully read that process which I posted.  You start out with a drop or two and then progress up to 5 drops, assuming you are having no ill effects from it, which is very doubtful they will.  If one is already acute, they begin with 5 drops and then after they save their own life, they can do what they want, stop using it entirely or use it occasionally for the next bug or as a preventative.  Yes it seems like very little oxygen, but remember these are 35% FOOD GRADE concentrated hydrogen peroxide drops and you are diluting them.  That is over 10 times stronger than ordinary non-drinkable 3% peroxide that one buys at the store.  All medical people that I have spoken to or heard discussing it, have said NOT to drink 3% peroxide because it is not meant for consumption.  If it were, there would be no need for FOOD GRADE H2O2 Hydrogen Peroxide.  Gargling with 3% is fine as long as one does not swallow it, and that is what I said earlier.  Your calculations are like statistics -- one can make them say whatever one wants to say, whether or not that is factual.

    Also, while I find your info about the guy who scammed people an interesting read, that is not a comparable situation and must be taken with a "grain of salt".   I am certain that you can find numerous examples like this back in the 1800's.  I am not peddling or selling anything here and have no intention of doing so.  This is a "proven" cure for viruses of all kinds and works for pneumonia virus very well.  I would guess that anyone who wants to try this would likely do more research which is certainly readily available online.  For instance, you can start with the info available on such web sites as:  https://www.anoasisofhealing.com/hydrogen-peroxide-for-cancer/  wherein they are having success with intravenous injections of extra oxygen to treat cancer viruses, etc., likely using both FG H2O2 or O3 (ozone).  That is a similar overall process except one probably would need to go to their particular facilities for treatment.  With the entire world being affected by this rapidly moving Covid-19 virus, we all need something that is more or less readily available before we lose millions of people world-wide, and we do not have time to go through all the "paralysis of analysis" that is ensuing, and even top medical people appear to be fumbling around trying to find a cure.  All I am saying is that history has echoed, and that cure was found a hundred years ago -- how many more people must die before we dust off the history books and use what already worked back in 1920, after the Spanish Flu and similar pneumonia that it caused?

    Further, I was exposed to Agent Orange while serving in the US/Vietnam Conflict/War and have witnessed "paralysis of analysis" by government and the VA wherein they are still now after 50 years studying the details and effects of it.  We do not have time to again begin studying for months or years for something that already exists.  I am only freely providing and sharing this info because I would feel derelict not to.  If this info were being provided by the WHO, CDC, NIH, FDA, AMA or any other big pharma organization, then everyone would want to use it, except it would come with a price tag equivalent to the cost of life itself, but only after enough people first died to exclaim its value to the populace.  They are probably at a loss as to how to charge people for a functional cure that might cost a dollar or so, and apparently anyone who reveals this is then a scam artist or something.  Open your eyes and look around.  Even if one does the online research, I can guarantee there will be lots of those who simply balk at this info or who have extreme conflicts of interest as they are already brain-washed by our burgeoning medical world that largely only understands money, money, money.  Articles abound that distort the actual H2O2 healing process or use extreme cases to prove their point.  Who in their right mind would drink this stuff, or even take a tablespoon full?  That is crazy but that is also how supposedly intelligent educated people are convincing the masses that this H2O2 process is bad for you.  Those of us who have used this and know about it would all entirely agree that overuse in any form is not good for anyone.  Equating concerned people like me to being a scam artist is like the pan calling the kettle black, and I feel for all those people who will die because others simply want to criticize rather than wake up to the facts and open their minds enough to use a proven oxygen cure.

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 6:57pm

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    With respect

    I remember at the time listening to the news as everyone in the nation was wondering the same thing.  The late Peter Jennings said that one way to find out would be to do a thorough analysis of the stock market to determine who bought or sold what beforehand, and then try to determine if there was any correlation to the analysis.  Unfortunately Peter Jennings died of cancer not long after that statement.  He was a great TV news personality and we have all missed him ever since -- may he RIP!

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 7:12pm

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    Centroid

    Apparently some additives are placed into store bought 3% peroxide -- doctors say it is okay to gargle or rinse mouth with but not to drink it.  Food Grade 35% is over 10 times stronger and absolutely MUST be diluted, which is why one should not take any more than 5 drops of it in a glass of filtered water.  As to which is more dangerous, that is a rhetorical question that begs another question:  Which one is more of a cure?  If the diluted FG H2O2 cures pneumonia and saves lives, how is that dangerous?  One simply needs to know how to handle the highly concentrated version and how to minimize the intake so as to allow it to then pass curative oxygen into one's system.  Read about it in my posts or look up elsewhere.  Unfortunately because this inexpensive process is balked at by mainstream, that means there are lots of distorted articles pertaining to it as well as lots of misinformation.  There is a wealth of info available, just like any other topic.  The trick is to have enough knowledge to be able to discern facts from fiction.  Start with a site like:  anoasisofhealing.com where they are successfully treating people with oxygen for cancer viruses, etc.

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 7:24pm

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    Why people are not making their own masks?

    It seems to me that cotton would not be my first choice for a mask, but it depends.  I know that clothing in the Navy was made of cotton because when it got wet or placed in salt water, the fibers expanded, making them water-proof.  Sailors learned how make life preservers out of white hats, shirts & pants simply by tying them or slapping them onto the water so as to then hold air and keep one afloat.  A white hat could hold up around 250 pounds.  As to mask material, it seems like when we breath, we exhale enough moisture to eventually plug up the micro-holes of the material so that it would eventually prevent one from breathing.  To me I would maybe look for a fine nylon sheet material that was as fine as possible but still allowed one to breath well through, at least for the area that one would be breathing through.

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 7:33pm

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    Watch what they do, not what they say................

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/trump-privately-appeals-to-asia-and-europe-for-medical-help-to-fight-coronavirus

    “It’s almost like we shouldn’t have used alliances as protection rackets, shaking down a close and highly-capable partner for $5 billion, imagining there would be no consequences for transactional unilateralism,” Mira Rapp-Hooper, senior fellow for Asia studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, commented on Twitter.

     

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 7:37pm

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    How many yards do you have in your closet?

    To me I would maybe look for a fine nylon sheet material that was as fine as possible but still allowed one to breath well through, at least for the area that one would be breathing through.

    Its not a question Rush of the perfect, its a question of what you have in your closet. Few people have the best cloth for the job. People have cotton, in the form of old T-shirts or bed sheets. You go with what you have, when the option is nothing or second best.

    BTW nice to see you can post on a subject not H2O2 related, lol.

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 8:14pm

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    rushcard1. H2O2

    Are you aware that intake of ascorbic acid (vitamin C), in the presence of transition metal ions (iron, copper) can stimulate formation of hydrogen peroxide in the body?

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 10:07pm

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    Most welcome.

    Chill is my middle name.  😬

    In the interest time of digesting our situation, I wore a song: New Normal (some may find it a bit ominous) https://soundcloud.com/scott_mcdonough/new-normal

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 10:09pm

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    Random

    First hand account from patient (I do not know them, just circulating) : https://www.facebook.com/bane1/posts/10218176351614167?hc_location=ufi

    I think someone posted this link re Dr. Murray and his thoughts that a new flu vaccine may be causing some of italy's heightened numbers.. anyone seen similar elsewhere?  I haven't had a chance to look into this, but I am aware of the issues that pertussis vaccines are said to cause re other respiratory illnesses so this wouldn't surprise ESP with a multi strain vaccine. https://doctormurray.com/does-the-flu-shot-increase-covid-19-risk/

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 10:10pm

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    Mobility

    Fuel consumption in the Netherlands last week was 43% less ! Since pricing is mainly tax this will be a blow to the fiscal budget (price at this moment = EUR 1,55 / ltr = USD 6,34 / US gallon)

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 1:29am

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    911 discussion

    There is  a thread on 911 here

     

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 1:11pm

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    H2O2 treatment

    Thank you for your reply. I didn’t intend to belittle your belief in the dilute H2O2 “cure” you outlined and I can see that you are sharing a treatment that you believe has helped you and are not trying to sell anything. I just like to see peer-reviewed scientific studies to back up claims for alternative medical treatments or for any theory or idea that I don’t have knowledge of.

    I tend to be skeptical of things I read on the internet, until I can find enough scientific evidence to prove or refute the information. I like to follow the maxim attributed to Edger Allen Poe  “Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see”.

    I looked at the link you provided (www.anoasisofhealing.com/hydrogen-peroxide-for-cancer/) and read about the proposed benefits of H2O2 treatments as you suggested, but I’m still not convinced.

     Anyway, good to hear that you overcame your illness in December and good luck.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 2:43pm

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    DIY - Work in progress

    Someone (you @dtrammel?) posted a link or a pdf some time ago, showing an old US army instruction about how to sew your own N95 equivalent mask. I haven't been able to find it again, but I remember some of the basics, I think. So I decided to try. (No sewing machine here so it's not going to win a beauty contest.) This is work in progress, and I still need to make and attatch straps to make it fit properly. This is eight layers of heavy duty T-shirt material (I sacrificed two of my old work T-shirts), half of the layers laid at 45 degrees angle. Two layers straight, two diagonal, two straight, two diagonal. This makes it pretty hard to breathe through - I would have been worried if it didn't. I really can't answer to the reliability of this mask, but I am taking it as a better-than-nothing option. It's supposed to be boiled for ten minutes after each use and hung up to air dry.

    To the right is another work in progress, surgical type masks. I am attempting three layers, the middle layer at 45 degrees angle for maximum filtration. Same thing here: No guarantees, but a better-than-nothing option using old pillow cases.

     

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 3:09pm

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    Making a simple, inexpensive, throwaway mask

    My wife saw an article of how to make a quick, simple, inexpensive, disposable mask with paper towels, stapler, and rubber bands.   While not an N95, anyone could make these and have immediate access to a mask.  She improved it a bit by doubling the paper towels and adding a twisty wire for the nose.  Kleenex makes anti-viral tissues which the masks could be lined with.   Everyone should be wearing a mask.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=paper+towel+rubberband+mask&&view=detail&mid=9ED56829DEE97D00EBD89ED56829DEE97D00EBD8&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dpaper%2Btowel%2Brubberband%2Bmask%26FORM%3DVDVVXX

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 5:42pm

    rushcard1

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    H2O2 Treatment

    MCH - Mark:  Appreciate your comeback again and wanted to mention that within the website I provided at:  https://www.anoasisofhealing.com/hydrogen-peroxide-for-cancer/  Dr. Lodi discusses peer-reviewed scientific studies on one of those pages, but it is for IPTLD cancer treatment:  https://www.anoasisofhealing.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Medicine-Man-article-Get-Fresh-Magazine.pdf  .  He responded to your very question, except that was in relation to H2O2 treatment for cancer (virus(es) cells), etc., not specifically for a corona or Covid-19 virus, and the peer reviewed studies were done in Uruguay and China.  For those who want further studies, perhaps that can be done by administering this Food Grade H2O2 to Covid-19 patients who are terminal.  I think that as long as a patient is still alive, this will begin to work on them and perhaps save their lives.  Even doctors opposed to this treatment acknowledge that no harm is done to people who use it, so there is nothing to lose and everything to gain by it.  Doctors and treatment personnel might then be surprised by the results.  Skip below to the second bullet-point -- To me this is revealing, as it does not distinguish specific viruses or bacteria or fungi or cancer cells -- it is all-inclusive of those. It would not surprise me to learn that China likely used similar means via H2O2 and/or high levels of liquid Vitamin C intravenously injected, to fight and treat Covid-19 in Wuhan, etc.  On the front page of Dr. Lodi's website mentioned above are included various important info, including the following:

    Using Hydrogen Peroxide For Cancer Treatments Is Highly Effective And Part Of Our Comprehensive Cancer Care Program!

    Dr. Thomas Lodi was asked his opinion on hydrogen peroxide treatments being used to treat cancer, specifically intravenous, and other treatments like hyperbaric oxygen and other oxidative therapies. Here is Dr. Lodi’s reply on using hydrogen peroxide as an oxidative therapy to combat cancer.

    If you look in the alternative cancer world, one of the groups of interventional protocols involves oxidative therapies. And, when you mention hyperbaric oxygen, that’s not really oxidative it’s more oxygenation, so what you’re doing is you’re increasing the amount of oxygen in the body, that’s important.

    Oxidative protocols involve hydrogen peroxide, ozone, ultraviolet light, and blood irradiation. These therapies stimulate the oxidative pathways. Why is that important? Well, because the way in which cancer is halted by our immune system is through oxidation. Oxidation is an essential aspect of life on earth. Its counterpart, which is called reduction and in the popular world, lay world, it’s called anti-oxidation.

    All cellular functions receive their energy as a result of oxidation. Oxidation is used to halt cancer, it’s used to kill viruses, it’s used to kill fungus and bacteria. If you use things like hydrogen peroxide, ozone, ultraviolet light, in a particular way, you can enhance the body’s ability to stop the production of cancer or any other cells that are unwanted. This is very important. Even to neutralize toxins, neutralize things you’ve breathed in or chemicals that have entered your system, is critical to enhancing your immune system.

    Oxidative therapies stimulate the body’s oxidative capacities, which are required for energy metabolism, detoxification and immune system function and result in multiple benefits including, but not limited to the following:

    Stimulate white blood cell production.
    Both directly and indirectly eliminates viruses, bacteria, fungi and cancer cells.
    Increase the oxygen delivery from our blood to our tissues and it’s important to remember healthy cells require oxygen and cancer cells are damaged by oxygen.
    Anti-angiogenic, which sounds complex but simply means that they inhibit the growth of new blood vessels that feed tumors.
    Oxidize petrochemicals (gas, oil, etc) and other toxic substances so they lose their toxicity.
    Prompt the production of interferon, tumor necrosis factor, and other cytokines, which are required to combat infections and cancers.
    Increase the efficiency of the anti-oxidant enzyme systems, which search for and collect an overload free radicals in the body.

    Here you can watch Dr. Lodi explain in more detail why hydrogen peroxide used for cancer treatments plays an important role in healing.

    People can view this short video on his website if they wish, but I wanted to also point out that per the second bullet-point is mentioned -- To me this is revealing, as it does not distinguish specific viruses or bacteria or fungi or cancer cells -- it is all-inclusive of those.  :

    Both directly and indirectly eliminates viruses, bacteria, fungi and cancer cells.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 5:51pm

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    rushcard1. H2O2

    Thank you for that info as I was not aware of this but I know that back in the early 60's a doctor was able to cure people with the polio virus via intravenous injections of high levels of liquid Vitamin C.  I would not be surprised to learn that China may have used the Food Grade H2O2 and/or the Vitamin C protocols to stem Covid-19 virus there.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 5:59pm

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    How many yards do you have in your closet?

    Absolutely -- I agree with everything you say and perhaps cotton might work as well, although it would not be my first choice.  If that is all one has then it is better than nothing.  Yes I know I have concentrated my answers to the H2O2 issue because if we don't start using the cure for this virus real soon, we could end up with more problems than any nation or the world can deal with.  At the same time, prevention is equally important and masks make sense, along with all the other things they are advising like washing hands, social distancing, etc.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 6:07pm

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    PDF Mask Pattern

    Shimz try this link. there is a pdf on a mask pattern

    .https://freesewing.org/blog/facemask-frenzy/?

     

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 6:21pm

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    Most welcome.

    Perhaps a better word for it rather than ominous is prophetic.   My interpretation of the picture is a young Mayan looking into the future, around 7 years past the time that they ended their calendar to December, 2019.   That may be where we end up if we do not stop this Covid-19 virus post-haste!  There is still time, but it is running out very fast -- freaky, scary, and stupid combined since the cure is right before our very eyes.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 6:39pm

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    Masks, paper and general

    I made one of the masks from kitchen paper and it seems to work quite well, though it can tear if not handled carefully. If the nose section is folded again, as in the video a wire seems unnecessary but I'm sure that would help.

    However, even if everyone wore a mask, it would have limited impact since many I've seen wearing masks have worn them incorrectly, with many loose masks and some even worn just over the mouth! So I think Chris's notion that if everyone wore a mask, then restrictions could be loosened is a bit simplistic, since many would wear the mask ineffectively.

    I guess that, for more complete protection, one would not only have to wear the mask correctly but also wear goggles and gloves. I just can't see that happening.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 7:39pm

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    Viral Load / Mask Efficiency With Air Gaps

    Sofistek I think you are overlooking two things.

    First the concept of "viral load". The idea with masks, gloves and goggles isn't 100% protection. Its minimizing the amount of viral particles you are exposed to. Ideally you want the highest protection you can get, but anything over 50% helps a lot. Paper masks, cotton masks, biking and pollution masks and surgical masks are all inferior to N95 masks but they still offer some protection.

    The lower the amount of particles you breath in (aka the viral load you are exposed to) the more time your body has to fight the infection. In some cases I bet you even give your body the chance to kill it completely.

    That's why getting everyone to wear some sort of mask, even inferior ones is important.

    However, even if everyone wore a mask, it would have limited impact since many I’ve seen wearing masks have worn them incorrectly, with many loose masks and some even worn just over the mouth! So I think Chris’s notion that if everyone wore a mask, then restrictions could be loosened is a bit simplistic, since many would wear the mask ineffectively.

    I wouldn't make minor air gaps and inferior mask fitting as big of an issue as manufacturers and health care experts make it. Take a look at this article where they actually used an expensive fit-test machine, to check how much infiltration air gaps provided outside contaminants. It wasn't as much as we are lead to believe.

    https://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2020/02/14/can-masks-protect-you-coronavirus

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