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    Coronavirus: The “Rescue” Is Stealing Your Wealth

    The elites get richer and we lose our jobs & future prospects
    by Adam Taggart

    Friday, May 8, 2020, 8:53 PM

As we begin to get a better handle on what happens inside the body when covid-19 infects, it’s clear that early treatment makes a big positive difference.

And we’re learning of effective measures you can take at home *before* exposure to the virus that can limit your chances of getting it. A cocktail of Vitamin C + Quercetin, Vitamin D3, zinc and melatonin is being increasingly recommended by clinicians (specific dosage available in this video).

OK..now onto the bad news. THE GREATEST WEALTH TRANSFER IN HISTORY IS BEING PERPETRATED BEFORE OUR EYES AND WE’RE JUST WATCHING IT HAPPEN!!

Oh…did I shout that? Sorry.

All that the $trillions in rescue bailouts/stimulus are doing is making the wealthy elites and the large corporations whole on their bad bets, while simultaneously making them richer by deforming stock prices even higher.

And what do the rest of us get? Lost jobs. A promise of a measly $1,200 check that few have yet to receive. Shattered prospects.

Those who have pillaged our system are filling their pockets before it collapses. Why the heck are we not fighting back at this more forcefully?

Based on the same monetary concerns Chris raises on in the latter half of this video, I’ve issued a rare ALERT today, as developments have influenced me to make a material change in my personal portfolio strategy.

Click here to read the ALERT (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access)

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 3:27am

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    rstreeton

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    Anti-inflammatory approach

    Seems that the advise is to limit inflammation before, during and after C-19. Why was there early advise that using anti-inflammation medication like Ibuprofen?

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 9:41am

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    sand_puppy

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    Support for Eastern Virginia Medical School Protocol

    The EVMS Protocol has 2 main points where it differs from others.  The uses of anticoagulation to reduce thrombi formation and use of steroids to quell cytokine storm.

    But first, if you disagree with another's approach, you should say "I disagree and here is why."  Then please provide the specific links to the evidence that has influenced your thinking (including page and paragraph numbers if source article is long) and explain your reasoning.  You don't get to sign up for PP membership, cry "junk science" without any supporting references, and leave.

    2.  I agree that there is ongoing waves of viral shedding during COVID stage 2.  More severe cases (hospitalized, ICU) continue to have viral loads late in the disease.

    Viral load with time in hospitalized patient.

    And here

    Viral load at different stages of the illness over time. (From the Lancet article).  So the very sick, can continue to have high viral loads even through stage 2 and 3.

    It is in stage 2 disease that pathophysiology of the tissue injury transitions from primarily direct damage from the viral infection itself to autoimmune/thrombotic damage.

    However, I personally, am certain that the general shape of the illness is accurately described in this diagram from EVMS Protocol (top of page 2).  (Bigger picture in source article.)   It is my reading of the intensive care literature and discussion blogs that this viewpoint is currently widely held.  The early viral replication pathophysiology is superceded by immune dysregulation.

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    Steroids

    The early recommendation against using steroids in severe COVID is based on this Literature review published in Lancet Feb 15, 2019.

    Basically, they reviewed the history of other viral diseases (influenza, RSV, SARS-Classic and MERS) that found little to no benefit from steroids, and some harm.  The harm was from prolonging high viral loads (a very legitimate concern), and some direct adverse effects from steroids (avascular necrosis, diabetes, psychosis).  Then they generalized from past experience and recommended "No steroids for COVID-19."

    So this pandemic started out with early recommendations to avoid steroids.  Mass Generals protocol, for example, continues to generally recommend "Avoiding steroids." (Top of page 3, highlighted section.) 

    Mass General is very involved in experimental use of the newest immunomodulator drugs like IL-6 blockers and Janus Kinase inhibitors.  This indicates that they are also view late stage COVID disease as primarily an issue of cytokine storm.

    Thrombotic crisis is widely described now also, (For example Brigham and Women's Hospital Protocol, Chapter 9)  and more centers have recently begun to include full anticoagulation if fibrinogen is low or d-dimers high.  (Low fibrinogen and elevated d-dimer blood tests indicates the extent of the coagulation system over-activation.)  For example, here, the Stoney Brooks anticoagulation protocol rationale is explained at the top of page 1 and anticoagulation protocol on page 2.

    The Stoney Brooks center is almost identical to the EVMS anticoagulation protocol with Loveneox (enoxaprin) (see page 2)

    So the EVMS Protocol is not the standard-of-care.  But it does highlight the shift to focusing on tissue damage mediated by a dysregulated immune system and thrombotic systems and the urgency to reign in this pathophysiology.  This change of focus is widespread, even though the uses of steroids specifically is not.

    I also worry that in academic medicine, the latest, most sexy and most expensive drugs will get studies and promoted while older drugs will be neglected.  (Big Pharm pays Big Medical Centers a fortune to study their drugs.)

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 10:33am

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    Solarado

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    Learning more every day ...

    We are learning more about this virus and its disease course every day.  Already there are major shifts in how we think about it -- a blood disorder rather than primarily a pulmonary infection, and treatments that avoid being put on a ventilator.  It's going to be tough to avoid getting it eventually, barring development of a vaccine, but for now I just want to postpone it as long as possible, so that we're further up the treatment learning curve if and when it's my turn.

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 11:23am

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    Things that make me go hmmmm....

    I tried to post a comment with 3 links renamed into cen$or friendly puppies and kittens language. It disappeared into the black hole... this sucks! Perhaps they want us to get frustrated and stop trying to post. Oh wait, silly me, of course that is what they want!!  I guess we will have to become more like HB and keep breaking out of their efforts to confine us! I am not sure if that is funny or a truthful new reality...

    Am I just imagining this sh*t and need to take my tinfoil hat off?!? Anyone have any thoughts on this issue?

    Jan

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 11:57am

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    Hladini

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    To all the Dis-ruptors in the World: The Fauci's, Surveillance State, MSM, MIC, et el

    Chris and Adam, I am officially reporting that I absolutely cannot find your daily videos on the day it's released.  From the scant comments this long from posting the  5/8 daily briefing - only 3??, it appears many other people are also having trouble accessing your information.

    Here's  a news flash  for all those shadowy control freaks: You are NOT in control and you have no idea of the unlimited ripples of unintended consequences you are racking up for yourselves.

    From my study of history, I have learned that no matter what condition of life, no matter how bad things get, people will always and every time find work-arounds, so the best laid plans by mice and men......

    When you squeeze a balloon, it pops out some where else, automatically.

    The idea of thinking we may be able to control others is a grand illusion.  Not a single one of us can control our own breath for more than a few minutes.  Not a single one of us can control our own bodily gasses.  And tell me, how many among us can control our own tongue or genitals?

    "And that action performed in ignorance and delusion without consideration of future bondage or consequences, which inflicts injury and is impractical is said to be action in the mode of ignorance." Bhagavad Gita, As It Is, chapter 18, text 25 (circa 1972).

    "Those who  are demonic do not know what  is to be done and what is not to be done.  Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found in them." BG.16.7

    "Following such conclusion, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world." BG.16.9

    On a positive note,  I am reading so, so, so many comments on Youtube that are  rockin' and rollin' the daily briefings.  100's  of 1000's of people have been helped!  And folks are waking up to the incredible censorship plaguing PP; there is much talk about ditching Youtube and going to an un-censored platform.

    The Fourth Turning feels like it's really churning right now.

     

     

     

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 12:05pm

    Hladini

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    Good Question Rstreeton

    Once you  go down the cynics hole, there is no coming out.  It takes practice and restraint to not just  jump to the worst conclusion first.

    My first thought was cynical, but my  second thought was the side effects.

    Just wait a little while and someone from PP might rustle up a link.

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 12:08pm

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    kunga

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    Different day, same stuff

    Posted @ 321gold.com

    "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."  -- Marcus Aurelius

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 1:37pm

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    Ana Garita

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    Much darker from what I though.

    Please check this out. I would love to hear your comments in this information, which parts are true or not?. Much darker from what I though.

    IMPORTANTE, VER COMPLETO...Dra. Judy Mikovits (perseguida y encarcelada, una gran científica que lograron difamar y...

    Posted by Jorge Iacono on Friday, May 8, 2020

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 1:38pm

    Ana Garita

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    Ana Garita said:

    It is an interview with Dra. Judy Mikovits

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 2:02pm

    vshelford

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    Re Things that make you go Hmmmm

    Hi Jan - not sure if I'm thinking of the same post you are, but I think it's still there.  Big dogs and all... 🙂

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 2:08pm

    westcoastjan

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    No this was a new post

    This morning, for this thread. Three new links from alt media sites. Poof! Disturbing, but I will find a way to keep unearthing and sharing things we need to know.

     

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 2:53pm

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    Angi

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    I also could not post recently

    Strange stuff - 1st post lost to the black hole. Tried again: Message: You said that already.

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 3:05pm

    Linda T

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    Re: posting troubles

    Quite some time ago, I had that same message "You said that already". I noticed if I can't the subject line, it posted. Don't know of that would work now tho.

    Linda

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 3:13pm

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    Now getting error message in PM system...

    Telling me I do not have permission to respond to a PM by Raingarden, after we had already exchanged messages. More weird shit.... I fear PP has succeeded in its goal of being highly credible information scouts to the point they have made a lot of people feel 'uncomfortable'.

    PP is the pebble in the pond, creating ever growing waves of awareness. Keep going!

    Following the Voice within: pebbles

     

     

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 3:45pm

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    sand_puppy

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    Corticosteroids in More Serious SC2 patients.

    Oh boy!

    It looks like steroids may be getting the hydroxychloroquine/Remdesivir type of treatment!   (Old cheap drug with actual benefit is poo-poo'ed while a barely effective but expensive new experimental drug is advanced as "the standard of care.")

    (author is a non-native English speaker and grammar has been improved in the quotes.)

    Why an inexpensive anti-inflammatory drug [the corticosteroids] used to treat severe respiratory failure and shown to decrease mortality and dependence on a ventilator goes unused in COVID-19 patients.

    In the COVID-19 pandemic, patients’ advocacy organizations are missing. There is no pharmacoeconomic interest promoting the use of an off-patent treatment and recommendations by some American medical organizations are based on an anemic review of the evidence and a biased interpretation of the data. As a result of the WHO’s dogmatic recommendation, thousands of COVID-19 patients are still dying from massive inflammation while doctors are discouraged to use the most potent anti-inflammatory treatment presently available, [steroids like methylprednisolone].

    So I tracked down a small group of 10 or so physicians who call themselves Frontline Covid-19 Critical Care Working Group.    They are outliers, kind of like HCQ prescribers, and do NOT represent the mainstream.  But all are intensivists (run ICUs).

    One of the group, Umberto Meduri, MD, has written a paper criticizing the study which is the basis of the WHO's position of "do not use steroids for COVID."

    Overall the WHO offered only a cursory summary of a few selected publications grossly under-representing the available evidence, an approach appallingly inadequate for a critical recommendation that impacts so many lives. (details below)

    The evidence provided in the March 13 Interim Guidance was limited to a meta-analysis of 1,500 patients, and two observational studies involving 600 patients with H1N1, and 300 patients with MERS pneumonia.

    While these observational studies reported [that steroids gave] no reduction in mortality after adjustment for baseline confounders and time-dependent covariates, one reported a reduction in viral clearance.   This latter finding was part of the justification for the categorical recommendation against steroid use; yet, the study showed that if corticosteroid treatment was longer than 7 days, clearance was not affected. The WHO’s review ignored new data from (i) ten RCTs in non-viral ARDS (1,093 patients) including a significant reduction in interleukin-6 blood levels, (ii) the four largest studies - totaling 9,149 patients with SARS-CoV or H1N1 influenza - reporting a reduction in duration of mechanical ventilation and mortality, (iii) the early positive results from China with COVID-19 patients, and (iv) the experts’ recommendations from the frontlines of China, Korea, and Italy.

    And here is the source paper with complete bibliography, sourcing these studies and supporting these conclusions.

     
    Rationale for Prolonged Corticosteroid Treatment in the Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome Caused by Coronavirus Disease 2019
     
    Villar, Jesús MD, PhD1–3; Confalonieri, Marco MD4; Pastores, Stephen M. MD, MACP, FCCP, FCCM5; Meduri, G. Umberto MD
    Critical Care Explorations: April 2020 - Volume 2 - Issue 4 - p e0111

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 3:55pm

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    Angi

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    Who's Who @ Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics

    This is a major high profile (Seattle based) source for health statistics, policy making, etc. Scan down through the time line of the organization late 2016 & early 2017.

    http://www.healthdata.org/about/history

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 4:25pm

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    Angi

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    More Who's Who!....Institute for Disease Modeling

    The usual suspects it would seem. (Governor Inslee (WA) met with this group on Friday. I've been observing a great deal of foot dragging on releasing the lockdown.)

    http://idmod.org/about

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 4:39pm

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    stevedaly

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    Colorado bans in home treatment with hydroxychloroquine for in home care

    According to Colorado DORA, professional management branch, the home HCQ treatment recommended for consideration by EVMS protocol in the symptomatic section is banned in Colorado with threat of losing medical license and being reported by the pharmacy.  So sorry.  You get to die.

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 4:42pm

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    teletubby

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    Two good sources Covid19 information (from a doctor)

    I happened upon Thailand Medical News website it has links to melatonin studies and a good track record of relevant  Covid19 news .  Also, an awesome essay on Erin Bromage PhD  “know the risks”. As well , a preprint on Mayo Clinic proceedings regarding a $150 ekg availalable on amazon for iPhone to assess and monitor cardiac risk of hydroxychloraquine https://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/996745/MCP_Possible-COVID-19-Pharmacotherapies.pdf

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 6:26pm

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    Angi

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    New Legislation - Congress re: Forced Testing

    I tried to post this earlier today and could not make it work. Trying again.

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 7:06pm

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    So far, we’ve seen no vision of a better future when we come out of this. No vision of a future at all for most of us. We will struggle through as best we can — until we can’t.

    The existential threats are piling one atop the other — for most people, it means that nothing is likely to return to “normal” in their lifetimes. They may or may not survive the pandemic and subsequent economic collapse and whatever consequences come from them, they may even live to see the transition into a much warmer climate, but the pre-2020 reality is never coming back for them or anyone.

    We’re in uncharted waters without a captain and without a vision of where we are or should be headed.

    ...[W]e never got to the point of actually doing anything about the existential crises we knew we would face. And so we drift along.

    Che Pasa commenting on Ian Welsh's blog today.

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 8:43pm

    Mots

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    Re: "no vision of a better future when we come out of this"

    Nonsense

    Debu, I know that you mean well and I understand your frustration but Peak Prosperity has always had a "vision of a better future when we come out of this" collapse.  The "this," which you refer to, was widely and carefully predicted years ago and a better future envisioned throughout this blogsite.

    Small resilience community development is the answer to virtually all of the problems, including the honeybadger GMO.  Small tightly knit communities can continue to have interactive schools/playgrounds/working places (without social distancing) because they treat outsiders differently as needing a little orientation and scrutiny.  We have always done this in our societies before the exponential growth phase......  In fact some societies even now (thinking of Japan) have made this into some kind of art form.  Small resilient communities will come up with their own systems to let others inside their no social distancing.  I myself am practicing this with people who want to visit (I quarantine them for 2 weeks (and check for sore throat/loss of taste etc) before I let them interact with me sans mask etc. and before they can meet anyone else or go to the store, for example).

    Moreover the small slow-food farms and even locavore energy that come out of small communities can beat the pants off of the big corporate players who until now have dominated with their gigantic strip mining of topsoil, mining of ground water and mining of oil to run inefficient wasteful farming with imported legions of low paid immigrants/migrants.  We have been pursing a better vision and our vision is becoming more focused with the collapse.   The shared vision on this blogsite is of a better future.

    I recently analyzed solar electric practices and realized that small communities can even beat large corporate entities in the energy area with EROEI of 50 for solar, which is better than most fossil fuel energy now.  We need to change our behavior (accept some inconvenience at night) and live sustainably to do that but will be happier and can overcome the problem posed by Michael Moore's movie "Planet of the Humans."  Anyone who wants a copy of my essay/report on how to beat the globalists in the energy game with EROI better than current oil, please send me an email address and I will sent it to you.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 4:16am

    Hladini

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    Thanks for posting

    Good Morning Everyone.  Ana posted a must see interview with Dr. Mikovits, who has first hand intel on some of Fauci's back story.  Dr. Mikovits has been on my radar for a while.  She has a new book out called "Plague of Corruption"  - sounds a bit relevant with a whiff of familiar.  She was under a gag order for 5 years.  She lost everything because she could not be bribed.  The interview posted by Ana is really worth your time.

    The biggest take a-away for me from this interview is the 1980 Bayh-Dole Act which granted public officials patent rights over tax payer funded research.  Fast forward 40 years and you got the present day clusterf-k.

    Now I've got something else to complain about when I write my pissy letters to my piss poor representatives.

    Back to Dr. Mikovits, I watched an extended interview with her on one of the Truth About Vaccine series and learned about the nightmare she went through with the TPTB.   You can hear her whole story on the behind the scenes extras. It's eye opening.

    BTW, she lost everything because she could not be bribed.  Just think about that the next time you  watch the White House Corona Virus Task Force address the public.

     

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 4:17am

    Hladini

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    Sounds like you've been busy

    Great post Mots,  Would like to hear more about your community and how you developed it.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 4:25am

    Hladini

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    Another good post

    This contradiction reminds me of a quote from a dude called David "Avocado" Wolf, a raw food/educator/innovator.  He said what ever you hear from a gov/authority source, assume the opposite.

    HCQ is looking pretty strong by that standard.  Add Dr. Mikovits' revelation that cheap effective drugs can actually and easily be removed from the market, then you can blame the public for hoarding them and then you can market the less effective, more toxic one..... for lucre.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 4:40am

    Hladini

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    Goodness, passion and ignorance

    debu, You  sound a little bummed.  I see you've been a member since 2009.  Have you been taking action with your knowledge?

    Where I live, a community  has developed, which sprang from the well of  utter failure.  If you had asked me 15 years ago, would I be renting out rooms in my house or renting out plug-ins for travel trailers, I would have told you, you're crazy - get outta here!

    So here is another relevant quote from the Bhagavad Gita, As It Is (circa 1972)

    "From the mode of goodness, real knowledge develops; from the mode of passion, grief develops; and from the mode of ignorance, foolishness, madness and illusion develop."

    It's  somewhat hopeful that so many people are hankering for real knowledge.  We need a lot more mode of goodness stuff happening, right now.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 5:00am

    Mohammed Mast

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    The Gita

    And in the end Arjuna killed his kinsmen

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 6:08am

    Hladini

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    Ana's post

    Hey there sand_puppy.  In Ana's post, the interview shows a string of doctors talking out against these nonsense "standard of care" protocols that are killing people.  Some MD's are getting angry about it.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 6:11am

    Hladini

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    Aham Bramhasmi (sic?)

    I am eternal, I am unborn, I am not slain when the body is slain. For  one who  takes birth, death is certain and for one who dies,  birth is certain.

    Have you  read the Mahabharata?  There is a whole back story before the Battle of Kurukshetra takes place.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 6:22am

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    gofigure1998 said:

    I attempted to put a link to the  Eastern Virginia Medical School Covid 19 protocol site on the Covid 19 support group site on Facebook, which seems to be supported by the CDC and the medical establishment.  My offer was rejected and I was told that the  use of vitamin C and Vitamin D3 was proposed by a "Quack" doctor.   As I retired hospice chaplain I also volunteered to pray for those who are suffering.  This was also rejected.  I was told there was no cure and no treatment for Covid 19 and nothing I could do to help.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 7:25am

    Mohammed Mast

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    The only conclusion

    Orwell was a damn optimist

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 7:28am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Mahabharat

    You mean this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK0djoU7CC8

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 8:36am

    adapt-and-overcome

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    Anti-inflammatory approach (#1)

    I think the reasoning wasn't based on IB being an anti-inflammatory but rather some attribute specific to IB that increased the power of the virus.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 8:47am

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    For a different perspective on Judy Mikovits

    Some interesting links. It’s ironic that the situation that damaged her scientific credibility involved a ‘mouse’ virus that may have been accidentally created in a lab.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/09/final-study-confirms-virus-not-implicated-chronic-fatigue-syndrome

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/333/6050/1694.full.pdf

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 10:24am

    Linda T

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    Re: Anti-inflammatory approach (#1)

    adapt-and-overcome,

    If I understand your last post, in regars to IB not being used, my understanding was because as the virus attacks, our immune system responds in different ways. One, is a fever, pyrexia, which is part of the natural response. If someone takes IB to bring down the fever, it stops the immune system's response to the virus (or whatever has invaded the body) and allows the virus, or a bacteria, etc. to gain a better foothold, and that might not be such a great outcome...out it that helped me underst

    Dr. John Campbell had a good video about it that helped me understand, "Reducing fever, good or bad":

    Linda

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 11:04am

    Edwardelinski

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    Credibility

    Albacore,you should read investigative reporter Marshall Allens interview with Plandemic filmaker Mikki Willis in ProPublica.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 1:10pm

    stevedaly

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    Here's the link

    Thanks for the article.  Here is the link:

    https://www.propublica.org/article/im-an-investigative-journalist-these-are-the-questions-i-asked-about-the-viral-plandemic-video

    The article states: "doctors, saying they’re being wrongly pressured to add COVID-19 on people’s death certificates or are not being allowed to use the drug hydroxychloroquine to treat patients." However, Colorado DORA, physicians and pharmacists professional oversight, forbids physicians from prescribing HCQ for treatment outside hospitals and threatens revoking medical licenses. Pharmacists are to report to DORA any prescriptions that violate this policy. HCQ is being unused. Those who are susceptible to coronavirus (underlying conditions or age above 60) are being put at risk, especially if they hold off on going to the hospital because of insurance or other reasons. They could die because of this policy.

    https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/CODORA/bulletins/2833740

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 5:14pm

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    gyurash

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    Melatonin dose

    I’m curious about the Melatonin dose. Seems quite high. 3mg usually enough to put me to sleep.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 5:50pm

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    Another graft gem... soo much crap

    If Small Businesses Aren’t Essential, Neither is Collecting Rent

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 5:54pm

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    Another one... Ugh

    I’m on a posting roll... the cen$ors must be out to dinner with their moms lol

    COVID19: The Big Pharma players behind UK Government lockdown

     

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 6:23pm

    Hladini

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    Sort Of

    I was thinking of Kamala Subramanyam's translation (my preferred  version).  I can't get into the Indian movies.  The special effects are more like special defects.

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  • Sun, May 10, 2020 - 9:47pm

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    yagasjai

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    Markets vs

    First, Chris, I want to appreciate you for including in your commentary references to how this is affecting regular people (poor, minorities, etc...) It makes a huge difference to have that piece acknowledged, in addition to agreeing with you about the need for a conversation about the decisions being made.

    Second, a question came to mind about markets vs "markets." I do understand that "markets"  today are totally rigged and do not distribute capital efficiently. But isn't that in the context of a currency system that is set up the way ours is? (Creating money out of nothing and charging interest on the debt, forcing the system to perpetually grow. Isn't it the interest that is what drives the flow from the many to the few?) I certainly haven't experienced any other currency system in my lifetime (I was born after 1971), so have no first hand basis of comparison. What is not clear to me is what the historical examples are of markets (without quotes) that did actually distribute capital efficiently. And what kind of currency system were associated with those markets. And also, whether in terms of envisioning a future in which things work well for human beings, is it capital that we want distributed efficiently or is it resources? Do you make a distinction between the two, and if so what is the distinction? Wouldn't capital be the tertiary? And the resources be the primary and secondary? If we want things to work differently in the future, to be more fair and just, why would we want the tertiary to be what is distributed efficiently?

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 7:56am

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    Hladini

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    Off Topic

    Good Morning Everyone,  Thought I would share a link picked up from an article by Charles Hugh Smith.  The interactive does a good job of helping to wrap the mind around: what does 139 billion dollars look like?  Mind numbing comes to min.

    https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/

     

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 8:14am

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    Italian study and another study from NEJM

    Probably you heard about this Italian study, but just in case. I found the quote in a John Campbell video from yesterday that everyone in the comments section was tearing apart. The reason everyone was upset came from Dr. Campbell stating flat out that based on a new NEJM study out of New York hydroxychloroquine does not work. All the comments pointed out serious flaws in the study (the usual: no zinc, given to patients too late).

    The comment:

    Wow you would think everyone knew that the mechanism was as a zinc ionophore. The studies that do not include zinc are proving that point. i.e. when given w/o zinc to extremely ill patents it doesn't seem to have efficacy. But when used with zinc every group has beaten the statistics. And then there is this ... There is overwhelming evidence of prophylaxis even w/o zinc supplementation. The group is just too large to ignore... Via Dr. James Todara, MD. The Italian Society for Rheumatology studied 65,000 patients on longterm hydroxychloroquine for RA and Lupus. Only 20 patients tested positive for COVID-19. No ICU, no deaths. This is a 90% reduction in infection rate compared to the rest of Italy. https://t.co/Pta97oBA8O — James Todaro, MD (@JamesTodaroMD) April 28, 2020 I can also say that I know personally of a case that the patient was so bad that he had covid with acute hemorrhagic necrotizing encephalopathy. A virtual death sentence or waking up with brain damage. He was treated as a last ditch with hydroxychloroquine and zinc and recovered completely in few days. Still anecdotal I know but his doctors knew to use zinc.

    Show less

    https://www.iltempo.it/salute/2020/04/28/news/coronavirus-farmaci-efficaci-news-danni-cura-annalisa-chiusolo-artrite-terapia-idrossiclorochina-sars-cov2-1321227/

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 11:19am

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    How many of us can live in the small, agrarian utopias?

    I'm guessing there's a lot less farm-able land than can handle 7 B people living in small communities with an agrarian base. It's a nice thought, but it requires a mass die off to work. That's going to take a while. And it will be horrific. Please, somebody, do the math and prove me wrong.

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 11:23am

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    What about the Hippocratic Oath?

    What about the oath Western physicians take to ‘first do no harm’?  At this point in the pandemic, with apparently clear evidence that certain treatments have been shown to help SC2 patients and prevent death and severe illness in most cases, and others less so, I wonder if it's time for doctors to organize themselves and actively push back against the governing bodies and administrators who prevent best practices from being (quickly) followed?

    Also, would a class action lawsuit be feasible?  Perhaps one that includes both patients and doctors who wish to choose whether to follow the current ‘standard of care’ or not?  Maybe even the initiation of such a suit could produce some changes.

    Obviously doctors have bills to pay like everyone else, and no one wants to lose their licence or endure other punishments for not towing the party line, so following the mandated protocols is understandable and required.  But at a time like this it is especially unsettling to know that pharmacists are required to assist in blocking certain treatments and that physicians cannot do their own research and make their own decisions regarding what is best for their patients – and themselves…..

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 1:58pm

    Mots

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    How many of us can live in the small, agrarian utopias?

    Urban planner: Regarding your sudden realization that "there's a lot less farm-able land than can handle 7 B people living in small communities with an agrarian base"
    No shit sherlock.
    This is an old topic and is the main reason why many of us have left the city to go to the countryside where the future is.  (where have you been all this time?)

    I urge you to redirect your Urban Planning skills into Rural Planning.  I am sorry to sound offensive but maybe the utopian dream of "Urban Planning" is the real problem here.  We have known that the Urban utopian dream is unsustainable for many years now and have blown way past the earth's resources based on the utopian vision of large cities.  It doesn't work man.

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 3:41pm

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    Sherlock

    I knew when I chose the handle years ago I'd get flack here. I'm used to flack. It's a career of flack. In answer to your question, my sole proprietorship focuses almost exclusively on small and rural municipalities. My 'big' client has less than 5,000 residents. Stuff still happens in small towns, agrarian towns, local areas of more intensive rural development. They still need to keep the lights on, write grants, figure out problems. Planning is about society, whether that means the teachers and cops or the farmers and survivalists. It's about local choice, home rule, true, small scale representative democracy.

    I live in a small town. Garden at the community pea patch. Worked for a decade as a farm hand with only hand tools on an organic CSA that fed 140 families in my local community - paid only in food and fellowship. My meat comes from the ranchers I know personally. Same for the fish and the fishermen. My pantry is stocked, my money (what little there is of it because I'm more public servant than capitalist) is as safe as I can make it. I've been practicing and teaching resilience professionally for a long time. There's no 'sudden' about it. Am I bonafide enough to comment here?

    My issue is the cavalier attitude that 500K or a million (or any appropriately small percentage of the population) folks living on farms while everybody else suffers and dies is somehow ok. Got a grandma? A kid? A disabled friend? Gonna have all them live with you? Are you really 100% self sufficient? Can you really be completely self sufficient and live a lifestyle you want? Can you do everything in the world made by hand (thank you JHK) while the rest of the world burns? What's the point of foreknowledge if you're just using it to save your own butt and losing your soul in the process? We're a communal species. The other 99.9% of us matter. Are there too many of us? Absolutely, but ceasing to care about them doesn't lessen the suffering or the long term threat to everyone - even the guys in tiny farming community utopias and bunkers. My objection is the nihilism and the one size ignores most solution.

    Where have I been? Here, in society, giving a shit.

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 4:18pm

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    Chris' newest video, live now: "Methinks the Senator...."

    "Coronavirus: Refuting Last Night's 60 Minutes Interview" (5/11/20)

     

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 4:44pm

    Mots

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    Urban planner

    Thank you for taking the time to explain yourself.  You presented many feelings and accusations, all of which I empathize with.

    My main message is that we need to give up the utopian dream of living in cities.  And, I dont think it is condescending to point out the facts that big cities are not sustainable.

    I really dont want to respond to your accusations about arrogance etc. but will simply point out that I used to be a respected high income manager of a prosperous business in a downtown and have become stupid, poor, low class and no longer worthy of respect by moving to a poor countryside.  Moreover I have been trying to get people of all types to accept my offers of housing, food, assistance etc. to join me here (I even built housing for them) but no one wants to be a low class dirty failure, working the dirt to create things.  Also I have not met any arrogant or condescending farmers but observe (and try to ignore) constant arrogance from visitors from the city.  I am not complaining but merely point out that your situation is not the same here.

    I guess that the people or the situation in your area must  be different.

     

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 5:04pm

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    mav12

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    Covid's effect on healthy people

    Chris or any one, could you help me to find the studies about Covid's effect even on health people? I'm in contact with some Govt officials and they seem to be in denial .

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 5:06pm

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    Is there a brand and dose of Melatonin consumers recommend?

    I would like to start taking this for the anti-inflammatory properties Chris talked about in today's video. Will it make me sleepy? Do I take it only before bedtime? How much do I take and what is a recommended brand. Many thanks in advance for any advice on this or other brands of supplements you trust.

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 5:19pm

    urban planner

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    Mots

    I didn't mention arrogance anywhere. I'm not talking about arrogance. I'm talking about a lack of empathy for the majority of humanity. We have to see beyond our own noses. Or, at the least, care about the fact that not making provisions for those who can't homestead (for lack of land, finances, skills, health, youth) will still affect us. By retreating to the countryside as our only survival strategy, will end up cutting off our noses to spite our faces. We can't all just hide in the countryside and hope the rest don't come calling. Covid does a good job of pointing that out if you happen to be outside of, but within driving distance of, New York City. Even if they don't, we can't be islands forever - and we will need outside help eventually. That root canal or heart attack treatment best not come from your barn or shed. We need each other.

    I never said I was a large city planner. Obviously, I'm not. I gave up a lot of professional respect, the civil servant's retirement, and a whole lot of money to service the small and forgotten communities. I choose not to live near or work in the big city (Seattle). But I do recognize that with the population of people on this planet, we cannot all live rural. There isn't enough land.

    In the most self interested manner of thinking, we have to care about the city dwellers because they are mobile and will come to you - no matter how remote or well armed. In a much less cynical and nihilistic sense, I care about them because they are my friends, relatives, colleagues - or somebody else's. Small scale, individual solutions that can't work for most aren't going to fix this problem any better than a centrally planned, densely packed, authoritarian, surveillance state dystopia. We need to broaden our focus on what we think is possible.

    And honestly, I'm not trying to lob a personal attack. I'm just sensing a shift in focus from the PP I first joined in 2016 (but lurked on much longer) that was about preparing for a hard future together and the PP of today that seems much more tailored to a vanishing few with big resources. But then, maybe that was always the focus and I superimpose my own thinking. Or maybe, it's time we informed front runners were better than that.

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 5:37pm

    Mots

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    Sherlock

    1. In  my opinion keyboarding internet chit chat about feelings is not a substitute nor as persuasive as actually doing stuff.  You probably agree with me.
    2. In my opinion, reading some keyboard squirts does not motivate people to live sustainably.  On the other hand, any reasonable mind who really wants  an answer will find and read The Crash Course and probably has already done so.
    3. The broader issue (to me) and more fascinating issue (to me anyway) is knowing why most people will never look for an answer and follow through.  I think that this is partly genetic. This is a dangerous notion that could support tons of angry discussion.
    4. Others have noted here that this is a self selected narrow group, which tend to be scientists and engineers.  Further the vast majority of people refuse to listen, and instead become dangerous in the next stage of collapse.  At first they believe absurdities, then they act against rational minds.  Voltaire said that "Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices."  The "media" is making believers of absurdities as they did in Germany 1930s and the injustices are coming.....  I am more interested in this problem as the internet gets locked down and attacks grow against the rational minded.  Empathy and other feelings exist but to me are not the proper subject of quick keyboard squirts between people who are not sharing a life or space. In fact emotive communications about feelings such as who lacks empathy is exactly the tool used to get those who believe absurdities to commit injustices.  Emotional appeals about who lacks empathy is precisely the route we should avoid in my opinion.

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 6:26pm

    JWhite

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    Melatonin Question

    I have been prescribed Melatonin by an endocrinologist and also a couple of GPs over time (varying from .2 mg - 5 mg), and was told to take it immediately before going to sleep.  In my case, although I would love to be able to take it for its' many health benefits, I wasn't able to take even the smallest grain of Melatonin without suffering a headache, in addition to experiencing strange dreams!  As a suggestion, you may want to try a small dosage and build up to an amount your body can handle.  Some people seem able to take quite large doses with no problems.

    I buy my supplements at Life Extension; they sell Melatonin and also do research.

    https://www.lifeextension.com/

     

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 6:37pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Urban Planner

    If you have been here as long as you say you have then you should know the "problem" you describe is really not a problem. As has been stated here numerous times problems have solutions . What we have is a predicament and predicaments do not have solutions they have coping mechanisms.

    Most here are doing what they can to cope. Growing their own food and recommending others do the same. Most Amerikaans self describe themselves as living in suburbia. Suburbia connotes backyards, green space etc. There is ample space in suburbia for communities to grow substantial amount of food in very small spaces.

    That is the coping mechanism. Most here have offered valuable advice on ways of coping ie. becoming resilient. If you are looking for empathy I don't think you will get much traction here. What good does it do to have empathy for someone who does not make the effort to become more resilient?  Does it provide them with food, shelter, a job, etc?

    This site is here to provide the info on an extremely wide range of subjects. There are various calls to action. The bottom line is you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink.

    The average IQ in Amerika is 98. I would guess the average IQ here is well above that. Every year Amerikaan high schools GRADUATE 25% or so of their students who are functionally illiterate. 45 million are functionally illiterate. None of those people are here. I have sympathy for them but there is nothing I can do about it.

    You want to plan for your community? That is awesome. That is a coping mechanism on the micro level. On the macro level? It aint a drop in the bucket.

    Here is 10 years after.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTUsFm0BAu8

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 6:59pm

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    Re: do the math, not enough land

    The math says everyone in the world can live in texas.

    https://www.improbable.com/teach/lessons2002/people-in-texas.html

    Now the worlds population has grown a bit. And 1k sq ft per person is not ideal for sure. But given that leaves the rest of the world uninhabited, i'd say the world is not over peopled. Its under optimized.

    Urban vs rural.

    Centralized vs decentralized.

    Monoculture farming vs polyculture

    Top soil depleting vs top soil building

    If we were to return to agrarian / homesteading / sustainable agriculture , the amount of arable land would expand .

     

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 9:12pm

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    vshelford

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    Re Urban vs Rural

    I know it's a totally different time and situation, but I've been re-watching "The Wartime Farm", about how the farmers, and rural people generally in Britain, had to go from producing 30% to 100% of the food for that nation's population, pretty much in a year or two.  The cities were being bombed into rubble, the countryside had not only to accommodate them, but feed them, and to do it for five incredibly long weary years, not knowing if they would ever come out the other side.  For all the difficulties and miseries of the time, most people rose to the need and achieved amazing things.  It wasn't Urban vs Rural, it was everyone working together.  I don't know if this particular crisis has it in it to pull that out of our modern population, but it's worth hoping for.  And those of us lucky enough to live in rural areas can perhaps consider that we will not be "defending" our little utopias, so much as stretching everything we have as far as we can, to get as many as possible through the worst of it.  It may be that we just don't have that mindset or point of view any more, and too many guns and not enough trust, but crisis can do amazing things.  To me, that's what the "actionable" stuff is about - being prepared to be useful.

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  • Tue, May 12, 2020 - 2:56pm

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    A much warming climate might be the only thing that saves us

    Unfortunately it appears cooling may have started.  There's not much good in a shortened growing season and now supply chain disruptions having to kill cattle.  I believe it was Murray Rothbard (paraphrased) that government and policy are the water most of us unavoidably live in.  The US fate was sealed by the scam of the FED in 1913; just a matter of time.  It is hard to turn directions on hypothetical outcomes.  Now we're going hard stop.

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  • Tue, May 12, 2020 - 4:26pm

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    Susan7 said:

    Am I an “Amerikan” or is that just for people you look down on......

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  • Tue, May 12, 2020 - 5:03pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Your choice

    It applies to anyone who self identifies as a supporter of the fascist empire of the US and believes the complete bullshit that is the federal government.

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  • Tue, May 12, 2020 - 8:22pm

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    Legislators are out of control I am putting out legal notices to many organizations

    Its really beginning to melt down.   Lets stop the steroids now/.  I agree , you dont want to take these unless you need to.  But steroid use has been used in viral treatment for almost a hundred years ( it is immune enhancing on short-term - and immune suppressing on long-term besides its anti-inflammatory actions)   No reason to pull this at all.  Co pulls HCQ for home use - these are the only people who should be using it.   And federal law makers are now trying to force states to vax kids/  using this Covid as a reason.. first off , Covid is not caused by "children not vaxing" so that is crazy talk.. Next,  this is exactly the long-arm of federal govt taking away the power of the state - its exactly illegal  to use this type of intimidation.. It is exactly extortion.   Though I see these law makers continue to commit crimes against the people of the US, why do not people stand up.  I am serving notice to all the law makers of said laws.. Anyone wants to help, please pm me.

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  • Tue, May 12, 2020 - 11:33pm

    Mots

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    Urban vs Rural

    Vshelford
    Thank you very much for referencing "The Wartime Farm."  I see that this is on youtube..... I definitely have to watch that movie this weekend.
    On the same subject matter, I really liked the movie "The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil."  This is about what happens when a country that imports most of its food and all of its oil suddenly loses both food imports and fossil fuel.  The Cubans all lost much weight but suddenly started producing food all over the place.  Farmers acquired a much higher status in that society and they were able to survive.  One thing that really stuck out to me was the problem that many food plants suffered from too much sunshine.  In that vein I should point out that many crops such as beans actually grow better when a certain percentage of the area above them is covered by solar panels for some shade.  This a real phenomenon according to a farmer that I know.

    I am not convinced that we have to give up most of our comfortable appliances or that many/most of us have to starve if we use renewables and abandon the fossil fueled citystyle.  Instead of arguing "city or country!" perhaps we should explore available behavior changes based on real experiences.
    I see too many arguments that go something like: "Can we swap out fossil fuel with renewables and keep our (wasteful) lifestyle??---- Yes or no!!!"    I would like to have a skype or zoom conference about this topic after watching the movie that you cite.  I wonder if anyone else is interested....................

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 1:30pm

    Hladini

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    Power of Community

    Yes, would love that. Saw the film years ago and it made a strong impression.   Only problem is 1) Cuba was under dictator who made the right call and ordered every one to grow food 2) Very homogenous society 3)  Ingenious, traded oil for doctors and nurses with Venezuela 4) they had to re-configure cities to five mile radius walkable towns....

    Again, great film.

    A zoom meeting would be fun.

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 12:59pm

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    Another example of how biased vested corporate interests are influencing outcomes

    Jet Blue owner financed cornoavirus study

    renamed the link as it appears to have not worked the first time. Please let me know if it does not work now... fingers crossed!

    A Stanford whistleblower complaint alleges that the controversial John Ioannidis study failed to disclose important financial ties and ignored scientists’ concerns that their antibody test was inaccurate.

    ...And emails cited within the complaint also suggest that the study’s authors disregarded warnings raised by two Stanford professors who tried to verify the accuracy of the antibody test used. The pair of scientists ultimately refused to put their names on the study because, they told the lead researchers, they could not stand by the test results. The complaint suggests that Neeleman “potentially used financial incentives to secure cooperation from” one of these scientists, who told colleagues by email that she was “alarmed” by aspects of the antibody test’s performance.

    Jan

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