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    Coronavirus Containment Has Failed

    Within and without China, the coronavirus continues to rage on
    by Adam Taggart

    Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 3:53 PM

Within and without China, the coronavirus continues to rage on.

A leaked report claims that actual covid-19 cases within China are 52x higher than the 78K reported by authorities.

Whether true or not, that estimate comports with the massive heavy-handed response the government has been pursuing there.

Outside of China, more cases in more countries are being reported, especially in the EU. Since yesterday, new cases have been reported in Sweden, Greece, France, Spain, Germany, and, of course, Italy.

The virus appears as virulent as ever. Remember those photos of sick people collapsing on the street in China? Well, we’re now seeing the same thing in South Korea and Iran.

Infections continue to grow at a non-linear (i.e., exponential) rate. New cases & death are *doubling* worldwide every 4-5 days(!).

Containment has failed. The coronavirus is spreading worldwide and it’s prudent to assume it’s headed near where you live at some point. Use the time you still have now to prepare.

Being well-stocked, well-trained and in a position to help others is your best defense at this point.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 4:22pm

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    Desogames

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    Virus Czar

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-hold-news-conference-6pmet-dispel-medias-fake-news-panicking-over-virus-outbreak

    Seems that Trump announced VP Mike Pence as a Coronavirus Czar. And i personally find it hilarious that both Xi and Trump put their much less famous No.2 on the job.

    Maybe the US is ready for a socialist after all.

    In any case since the announcement futures have slid and i’m giving out another trade warning. The markets are showing a perfect sell signal: gold+silver+US dollar up, everything else down. The VIX is closed otherwise i’d bet it’d be up. I noted this sell signal once before, on my discord:

    Ofcourse crypto took a dive later on so we now know crypto also counts as a speculative asset and not a save haven. They’ve been dropping ever since.

    Things that happen during the night might still change things (i’m expecting a total rebound rally the moment jay powell takes his foot off the brakes and goes pedal to the metal with the printing) but whenever i see this sell pattern, i bring out the pop corn.

    Just as a reminder, the VIX was up 54% at some point on monday. I almost regret spending my limited budget on physical gold/silver and virus supplies. Almost.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 4:33pm

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    pawch

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    Why you should fear ADES!

    Why you should fear ADES!

    Not the HIV type but the CoV type (antibody dependent enhancement syndrome)

    The vast majority of those outside China that contract SARS 2 will probably experience nothing more than a mild flu like illness, unless you are elderly or have comorbidities.

    But the second exposure more than a year or two year later could prove quite different.

    Dr. Martenson has already discussed this in his video “Coronavirus Infections Outside Of China Are Growing Exponentially”.

    He introduced us to the concept of antibody dependent enhancement via the dengue fever model in which a second infection with a different dengue virus serotype or the same serotype years later (low IgG titer) initiated a cytokine storm much more lethal than the primary infection.

    This mechanism is thought to explain the second highly lethal wave of the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918-19.

    Antibody-dependent enhancement of severe dengue disease in humans (Nov 2017 in Science)

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6365/929.full

    “For DENV-naïve children and children with high DENV-Ab titers (>1:1280), the cumulative hazard was 1.6 and 1.5%, respectively, indicating that high antibody levels did not provide any greater protection against DHF/DSS than having no preexisting DENV-Abs. On average, in the Pediatric Dengue Cohort Study, the DENV-Ab half-life was 4.00 years [95% CI: 3.81 to 4.20], and by 3 years postinfection, an estimated 22% of children had DENV-Ab titers of 1:21 to 1:80(table S7). Children with subsequent severe dengue cases had lower but not more rapidly decaying DENV-Ab titers (table S8).”

    Barely more than a week ago the following article appeared.

    “Molecular mechanism of antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of Coronavirus entry”

    https://jvi.asm.org/content/94/5/e02015-1

    Under the section entitled “Antibody dosages for antibody-dependent enhancement of coronavirus entry” can be found

    First, as the amount of Mersmab1 increased, viral entry into DPP4-expressing HEK293T cells continuously dropped (Fig. 6A). This result reveals that Mersmab1 blocks the DPP4-dependent viral entry pathway by outcompeting DPP4 for binding to MERS-CoV spike. Second, as the amount of Mersmab1 increased, viral entry into CD32A-expressing HEK293T cells first increased and then decreased (Fig. 6A). The turning point was about 100 ng/ml of Mersmab1. A likely explanation for this result is as follows: at low concentrations, more MAb molecules enhance the indirect interactions between MERS-CoV spike and the Fc receptor; at high concentrations, MAb molecules saturate the cell surface Fc receptor molecules and then further bind to MERS-CoV spike and block the indirect interactions between MERS-CoV spike and the Fc receptor.

    This article like the one before on dengue discovered that the same mechanism for ADES (low titers) applies to MERS (but in ng/ml instead of titer).

    Will it apply to the much more contagious SARS CoV 2? Just today Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health professor Marc Lipsitchtold the Wall Street Journal this week 40% to 70% of people world-wide are likely to be infected in the coming year.”

    I’ve already posted my approach to ADES here

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/covid-news-you-can-use/

    here as a comment under Dr. Martenson’s video

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/the-coronavirus-is-swiftly-breaching-defenses-across-the-world/

    and here as a comment under Dr. Martenson’s video

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-infections-outside-of-china-are-growing-exponentially/

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 5:06pm

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    kristen braun

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    1932 election compared to 2020 election....affluence, coronavirus and politics

    Really interesting article comparing today with the lead up to the Great Depression.  It really got me thinking in some new ways.

    https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-will-mark-the-end-of-affluence-politics/?bxid=5be9cbd23f92a40469dee42a&cndid=51598966&utm_brand=pol&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_mailing=thematic_ballot_02262020&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nl&utm_term=Thematic_Ballot_Subscribers&fbclid=IwAR1evaK7DswFnevBjYu-Xv3WR2G4a4RXtyETaM3bVOcga5P-iVfzAp0f5TU

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 5:12pm

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    BillL

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    I'm not big on the czar thing let alone the big gub thing...

    I won’t ever be ready to give up the “Republic”.  Everyday things become a bit clearer.

    Cryptos…well, I could have bought bitcoin when it began.  $1 or 2 at the time.  Thought about it.  Didn’t take to long to realize that I didn’t want something with extreme counterparty risk and that I really didn’t know how to do it.  Yes, I could have figured it out.  Yes, I most-likely would have made a boat full of money.  Just not my style lol.

    I’m not much of a popcorn eater anymore…gmo’s ya know.  But I am watching carefully.

    Just keep topping of the necessities while we can.  It won’t hurt to have more than you need.

    Well Adam, looks like you got a confirmed 19 case in Nor Cal.  (article at ZH. can’t remember which one)  Keep your head up and keep your powder dry.  Blessings brother.

    Just a heads up to all, coming soon to a community near you.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 5:29pm

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    George Karpouzis

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    FIRST UNKNOWN ORIGIN CASE REPORTED IN NOR CAL

    Here we go guys!

    Buckle up things about to get UGLY

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/cdc-confirms-first-possible-community-spread-coronavirus-case-in-us.html

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 5:46pm

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    Tom Sammy

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    Trump Press Conference Musings

    heaven help us!

    1.  Trump – “we’re gonna treat it like the flu”

    2. Trump “a vaccine is coming soon” …then Dr. Fauci comes on and says minimum 1-1.5 years.  Oh the disgust on Trumps face as he was listening!

    3. Trump “Were testing everyone we need to test”

    Lol, he must be a member of the “if u don’t test u don’t have cases” club

    4. Trump “Stocks are down because of the potential Democratic candidate”.

    5. Trump on the Flu vs Corona. “in some ways Corona is easier to deal with, in some ways it’s harder”

    6. Trump on Pence as leading the team “Mike did fantastic job with Indiana healthcare and this is very similar”

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:01pm

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    canterbury.stacy

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    Pneumonia vaccine protective against COVID-19?

    Hi Chris,

    My 73-year-old Mom has a question she wanted me to ask Chris and the Peak Prosperity community:  does the pneumonia vaccine she received late last year protect her at all from COVID-19 complications/pneumonia?  Thanks in advance for your answers about this!

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:03pm

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    Alexis

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    California case

    Sad to see the California case, I sort of think it was planned to release after the press conference. Earlier today I think, There was an announcement of a flight attendant who tested positive from Singapore airline; said she had done a lax-Singapore flights recently. Also, I do keep seeing random posts of people in Cali with flu like illness yet flu negative. Also, they did declare state of emergency yesterday so maybe they have been seeing an uptick in “flu like illness.” So fearful for all those on the frontline of this. Ugh it’s like waiting for a race to start and not sure I’m ready; and I’m not even on the track field.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:17pm

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    AKGrannyWGrit

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    A or B?

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?469682-6/senator-blumenthal-coronavirus-outbreak

    WHY – –  do Senators get the “real” truth about the virus and we-the-people get……. its like the flu and “We are the most prepared country on the planet? In other words don’t worry, be happy and think what we tell you to think!

    Which briefing would YOU like to listen to?

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:19pm

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    Desogames

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    some more silver manipulation evidence

    I posted before about how the only logical conclusion for the immense drop in silver on tuesday was due to more futures being made and the price artificially depressed so that institutional investors could pick up large amounts for their own hedges without spooking the market with massive price increases. AKA “To buy, you need a sell”.

    Well the observant among you might’ve noticed the volume chart went to monday only (so didn’t include the tuesday sell bonanza) just to prove the pattern of ever increasing volume, requiring ever increasing amounts of contracts AKA ever increasing price depression. But now; tuesday’s data is in! (well it was already i just forgot to check):

    And isn’t she a beauty? Remember during that stick on tuesday silver went down from ~550+ euro a kilo to ~535-540 a kilo, dropping even further on wednesday to 530 euro a kilo currently.

    But silver’s up 0,8% again…. how strange, after so much selling right? Could that mean this is “a healthy bottom after a normal correction”?

    Sure. If you wanna believe that. I just want to point out that the *top* during the soleimani strike was around 530-535 euro a kilo. And from that point it’s going upwards again.

    World war 3 is now the new market bottom.

    EDIT: I wanted to leave it on a nice dramatic note but ima put down some advice instead. During this entire week, Silver has tracked Gold’s every move, only bigger: in percentages it goes up faster and down faster. Regardless – it has always moved with gold. As opposed to Bitcoin and every other currency (Bitcoin went from $10k on the 24th to $8,7k currently, it was $9,3k *yesterday*).

    You will hear people say they don’t like silver because of an “industrial component” – hogwash. Gold’s in mobile phones too, just in minute amounts cause of it’s price. Silver’s used more cause of abundance but *it has always been, and will always be, money*.

    So if you’ve got a small disposable budget for hedging against the coming collapse, buy a few silver eagles or other 99,99% pure coins. MAKE SURE THEY ARE PURE! This is where the “industrial component” actually helps because if you can’t sell it to a trader you can always try selling it to an industrial producer at spot prices (they pay commission too so by cutting out those costs you can often guarantee a sale in an emergency, as well as a sale at spot prices to other people).

    If you are “too poor to afford gold” at this point, not all is lost, and silver still provides a good store of value. True, gold is better. But there is still a very good reason why they make the second place medals out of silver – and not a USB stick with a bitcoin wallet.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:21pm

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    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Lets Talk About It!

    Seriously unless we ask why “they” get to know the truth and we don’t, they will think we are NOT entitled to the truth.

    Comments …… unless you are okay with not knowing?

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:27pm

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    Geedard

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    Super Spreaders in Rome

    Can’t imagine a better time, place or occasion – Italy – Ash Wednesday – tens of thousands close up – and all soon flying back to wherever they came from.   Good job.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujBz1-_82LM

     

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:40pm

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    Ision

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    The TRUTH is already available on the Internet.

    All one needs to know what is actually going on with SARS-CoV-2 is online.  You can become an expert on the subject, if you have the brains for it.

    If you are smart, you can know more about the entire subject than any elected government office-holder..in a very short time.

    No one needs to tell you…learn it all for yourself.  Knowing is better than believing.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:49pm

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    ao

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    thinking of ordering one of these puppies

     

    ALPHATEC Encapsulated Suit, Level A, Rear Entry, M

    https://www.zoro.com/alphatec-encapsulated-suit-level-a-rear-entry-m-66-805/i/G0096459/

    Not really, but if you read the reviews, there’s some comic relief to be found.

     

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:50pm

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    Ision

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    The President will only know what he is told about the Pandemic.

    If he is told everything will be okay…that is what he will say.  If he is told everything is going to Hell and there is no HOPE, he will still say everything will be okay.  See how this works?

    I know enough about this pandemic, the only thing any government official can surprise me with is their honesty regarding it.

    When people are falling on their faces and kissing the concrete…like they have an “Off” switch…and officials tell you, “It will all be okay,” and provide NO USEFUL INFORMATION, you may be absolutely CERTAIN we are all screwed.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:54pm

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    ao

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    it won't happen

    Desogames, have you ever tried selling silver to an industrial producer at spot price?  If you find a buyer, let me know.  From my experience, no industrial producer will ever buy gold, silver, platinum, platinum, or rhodium at spot price.  YMMV.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 6:59pm

    Reply to #13
    ao

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    this pandemic is made to order to the opposition to the present administration

    If he under-reacts, he will be excoriated.

    If he over reacts, he will be excoriated.

    Even if he walks the theoretically perfect, razor edge balance between the two (which doesn’t even exist). he will still be criticized.

    If the situation gets bad, it’s their political dream come true.

    These sure are interesting times.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:02pm

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    AKGrannyWGrit

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    You Missed The Point!

    The TRUTH is already available on the Internet.

    The Point is the politicians are supposed to represent US.  And unless we verbally say “hey I want the real truth, the truth you told to the Senator’s” those leaders will see that we are ALL sheep and there is no need to tell us the truth!

    Why am I the only one to say it’s WRONG, even EVIL to have a Pandemic that kills people  ( maybe you, your children or parents) but you don’t get to know the real truth about the Pandemic.

    Instead you’ll are talking about equipment.  If no one stands up and says this is bullshit it could cost lives.  Our Politicians get their health care FREE, how about you?  They get info that might save the life of someone they love.  How about you?

    This pisses me off!  It should piss each and every one of you off too.  Anybody out there not a snowflake?

    Granny’s Pissed!!  Why aren’t YOU!

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:26pm

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    Desogames

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    Indeed, currently...

    You would be very correct nobody would take it at spot price. At the moment.

    There’s also not a giant demand from everybody and their mother for every scrap possible because the dollar’s hyper inflating after the Fed decided to print a few trillion to buy US government bonds that nobody else wanted anymore as the US economy froze after the china supply chain shock.

    Miners are people too yknow. Silver mine can be quarantined as easily as an office building. They also have families that are losing money hand over fist – while they’re walking on it.

    As i said, gold is better. But silver is money just as well. That’s not me talking that’s market data. If silver was not money then it wouldn’t move in lockstep with gold.

    And we’re in a crisis here, a real legitimate crisis. Can you guarantee silver ore will still be delivered in 2 months from now? https://www.mining-technology.com/features/feature-the-10-biggest-silver-mines-in-the-world/ Just from the first google, what’ll happen to the availability of silver if Mexico and Poland get hit?

    Just like scarcity raises the prices for you and me, so does it for the miners. If half the mines are shut down, the other half *will* charge a premium because the supply halved. If the demand then doubles because aside from industrial producers, the Mint needs far more too keep up with the demand for silver eagles, price doubles again (4x in total). If the Mint then offers a premium on spot they will get it, and you bet your ass that the rich are gonna crowd that market hard. Producers will be left out.

    Besides, i thought this site was based around thinking for ourselves. We’re connected to the GREATEST fountain of knowledge ever made! The library of Alexandria times a billion! Including the most powerful steward ever devised capable of instant delivery of whatever your heart desires. In other words; just google it.

    https://www.bullionvault.com/silver-guide/silver-industrial-demand

    Now i don’t know any solar cell producers, but wanna bet in an emergency i can go to a pharmacy (who can produce medicine themselves) or find some photography studio to hawk it off to? Remember, i can do so at either spot or even at a discount because i will be selling it at a MASSIVE profit if it ever comes to the point i have to sell it to those people.

    Anyways it remains a plan B. Always have a plan B, and in this case it’s “If the situation gets so dire people won’t even take silver as money anymore and only care for food or other forms of survival, ill find whatever fool who will still take this so i can hedge my bets yet again”.

    Is this going way, way, way too far? Hell yes. But we now have a Pandemic at the Top of a business cycle which ended in a asset bubble nicknamed “After the Tech bubble, and the Housing bubble, this is the Everything bubble”.

    I genuinely can’t tell if the food production won’t be shut down, or restarted in time to feed millions of city dwellers. I only know that at the point i’m able to tell if it is or isn’t, i will need silver. Or well… need…. I always have a backup plan 😀 but silver, gold, cash…. those will be most handy i feel.

    EDIT: oh, it also seems Goldman Sachs has acquired a net positive position in gold. How do i know?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/haven-last-resort-goldman-sees-gold-1800-due-virus-bernie-sanders-fears

    Cause they either lie to their muppets or are late to the party to benefit from the upside. If they’re so smart, why didn’t they post that article in the weekend before the massive rise on monday?

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:26pm

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    NorthElkhound

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    U.S. Census

    Online forms available in March. At the end of March, census takers will go to every house that did not answer online or by mail. Shall we see how well those census takers spread Corona-19 virus? Or will the Census have to skip the door to door idea?

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:34pm

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    Barbara

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    Japan says reinfection

    In case you didn’t already see this.

    Officials of Osaka Prefecture, western Japan, say a woman in her 40s, who had been treated for symptoms of the new coronavirus and left hospital early this month, has again tested positive.

    The woman is a tour guide living in the city of Osaka.
    She was on a bus carrying tourists from Wuhan, China, in mid-January, and tested positive on January 29.

    The woman was discharged from a local medical institution on February 1, and was confirmed as virus-free on February 6.

    But on February 19, she felt throat and chest pain. After several visits to the doctor, she was tested a week later and tested positive again.

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200227_12/

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:34pm

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    ao

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    it's Goldman speaking, so who knows if it's the truth but ...

    The corona virus seems to be looking bullish for gold.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/haven-last-resort-goldman-sees-gold-1800-due-virus-bernie-sanders-fears

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:39pm

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    Ckbit22

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    How many months?

    first time commenter here – thanks for all the work you have done Chris and Adam

    i just wanted to quickly ask how many months you are planning for as far as prepping? 2, 3, 6?? I need a range and haven’t really heard through videos or blog posts.

    Anyone else – how long are you prepping for?

     

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:39pm

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    Nairobi

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    This is not the flu. And it's not SARS

    What in hell. The WHO stole the Peak Prosperity Coronavirus byline!! Ha ha ha. Figures too. They have no bloody imagination. Their staff are probably coming here for information since they can’t abide by the predigested pablum that passes for truth emenating from that sad organization.

    Speaking of which, the Change.org petition calling for the

     Resignation of Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO Director General

    Has now reached 416,000 signatures. It is a groundswell of public condemnation being leveled at the idiot who has been put in charge there.

    If the guy does not resign voluntarily in the face of that much indignation he should be terminated for bringing shame on the organization and risking the lives of tens of thousands of people worldwide.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:41pm

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    younghickoryhomestead

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    You mentioned 7 people in NYC in your latest video.  I found this on BB, thought you might be interested.

     

    https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/02/26/83-new-yorkers-in-voluntary-isolation-for-coronavirus-testing/

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:42pm

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    BillL

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    I'll bite Granny...get ready...

    Because…maybe…it is a bio weapon?  A lot of characteristics and evidence points that way.  Bio level 4 lab in Wuhan.  Whether it was released by accident or not will never be known.

    There are links and comments all over the web.  Take your pick.

    With as often as people jump on a plane and travel to the end of the earth, a natural virus could be hidden there under a rock.  Dormant/undisturbed for centuries.   You, me and the others here know that with travel habits today, someone would find it and bring it into play.

    Conspiracy?  Everyone gets to make their own call…ignore it or prepare.  Hell, it may not matter.

    Pretty sure it was you that said something along the lines of “they don’t give a shit about us.”

    Well, I concur.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:43pm

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    ao

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    this article is good for comic relief and inane recommendations

    https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/stars-wear-masks-amid-coronavirus-warnings-experts/story?id=69234257&cid=clicksource_4380645_13_post_hero_bsq_hed

    So let’s see.  Masks apparently offer no protection from the corona virus.  But those infected by the corona virus should wear masks to protect the rest of us?  Hmm …  I had no idea these masks had a one-way function.  You learn something everyday when you attend the University of Bovine Excrement that is the mainstream media.

    P.S.  Gwyneth’s eyes look a little bit anxious.  Guess that’s what happens when you realize that viruses don’t give a damn about celebrity status and having big bucks.  They are equal opportunity infectors.

     

     

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:46pm

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    Desogames

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    Thanks barbara

    I hadn’t seen that yet. I’m sure it’ll pass by zerohedge at any point.

    Well. This is somewhat of a bother. That’s the 3rd independant source for that rumour that i’ve come across so it’s very much looking we can start thinking of that as confirmed. Immunity won’t be a thing. (i wish we could get conformation sooner but we don’t prepare for what has happened but for what will happen).

    Meanwhile, South Korea now has slightly under 1600 cases, having exploded higher again:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-confirms-2nd-death-outbreak-spreads-across-europe-virus-arrives-south-america

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:48pm

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    kunga

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    I knew this was coming

    CDC issues a beard guide.  No facial hair that crosses the mask sealing line.  I can hear the screaming and yelling, now. 😵😵

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:49pm

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    Ision

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    But, I already know the truth.

    I simply do not need any government employee to inform me of anything.  I already know more than they do.

    You see, I expect the government to do exactly as it IS doing.  It does not matter what you want, or what many people want, them to do.  It does not matter if you wish knowledge to be provided to you.  The ONLY right you have is to act to obtain the knowledge you seek…that is it.

    You do not have a right to classified information.  You do not have a right to understand, what you may not be able to understand…or learn about what you are incapable of fathoming.

    If the government is seeking to control the social collapse caused by the effect of COVID-19…trying to manage a slow fall…..instead of a drop into chaos…do you think they care about you being upset about not being briefed to your satisfaction?

    For many years I held the very highest security clearance this country possesses.  I was fully trained on every biological and chemical weapon in our inventory…and the inventory of every major nation on Earth.

    Do not wait to be told anything.  Discover the truth for yourself..or flip a coin and believe whatever they allow you to know.

    Learn to accept your mortality with grace.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:54pm

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    Ision

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    Face Hair

    I shaved everything, including my scalp, in DECEMBER…after learning the identity of the pathogen.  I had my beard for over 30 years and shaved it off, as I had been trained to do, the moment I knew a pandemic was coming.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 7:54pm

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    interstateacres

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    Husband's sick coworker

    I’m trying not to worry but a coworker of my husband’s, who sits in a cubicle by his and who had gone over to China late last month is now sick. Husband said the past few days she’s been coughing and not looking well. He’s been trying to avoid her but it’s really hard. Today they were in a meeting in a small room and she was leaning against the wall for support and looked like she was on “death’s door.” My husband takes immune suppressing medications which has me worried because he can easily get sick. We are both mad that his work never bothered to have her quarantine herself. So irresponsible.

     

    His company is also one of the largest suppliers of surgical masks and N95 respirators. There is talk that one of their factories in China may get taken over by the Chinese government.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:01pm

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    BillL

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    The WHO...

    The bottom line is the answer to why the WHO is even around…M O N E Y.

    I’m not going to dig up a link for anyone because we all know what most of these organizations stand for.  Yes, some do God’s work.  I know some good people who do/have done this.

    However, science needs guinea pigs, some of them human.  Everyone believes that these orgs are there to help…help WHO?

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:02pm

    #25
    Robert Woodard

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    Hi, folks,

    Has anyone seen this video?  This fellow documents his return to the USA on 9 FEB 2020:

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:04pm

    #26

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Ision

    Your translation is, bend over………. and go bawwwa!

    The biggest threat to those in charge are thinking, educated and unhappy citizens. (And Vocal)

    Fortunately for them ever so many people are quite adept in bending over……… and going baawwa.  Truely sad☹️

    Still pissed.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:10pm

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    Desogames

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    On the subject of Masks

    Surgical masks do NOT protect you from this virus, even when properly fitted! They are >by design< made to protect others from stuff you carry, not the other way around. Because they are made for Surgeons, in the operating room, standing over a sliced up human. It is to prevent secondary infections which killed a ridiculous amount of people before they figured out breathing into open wounds was bad.

    The N95 masks are not effective. They have an equivalent filter rating of FFP2, which stops a certain size and percentage. These *would* have been enough if it’s just airborne droplets, but it’s NOT. It’s Aerosolized, meaning the virus grabs hold of smaller particles normally already floating about and uses those for transfer. So you need, at a minimum, FFP3 filtering.

    The main difference between droplet transmission and Aerosol transmission, is that in the case of the latter, indoor transmission is increased by an order of an magnitude. I’m sure you’ve seen these particles float about under a strong light in a dusty room. These will just ride the thermal currents from humans heating their homes and continuously float around inside an enclosed space.

    Also; these particles (as well as droplets anyway) can reach the eyes and infect you via the eyes. You need Eye gear. This was strongly suspected (i would go as far as to say proven) back in january, when a state official traveled to wuhan, said everything was fine, then got sick on the way back and was ridiculed for it. He said they used every precaution you would think to use – except they didn’t wear eye gear.

    If you really want effective protection:
    – A tight fit full face mask (yes the ones 80 to 100 bucks minimum) that you can wash with 1% bleachwater
    – several sets of FFP3 quality filter (and hey if you wanna splurge get the ones with a chemical filter attached to it so you don’t smell bleach all the time) that you can set aside. Maximum number of 14. This because the virus can survive on smooth surfaces for upto 9 days as far as we know (so worst case scenario). This means that if you use a filter outside, enclose it in a plastic bag, disinfect the outside of the bag, then put the bag aside for a minimum of 9 days (so 2 weeks to be sure), you *do not need to dispose of the filter*.

    This virus is not a mystery it’s just another living being in the virus class. Starve it, and it will die, that is why it needs us in the first place.

    – A full body suit overall. My dad called it a “teletubbie suit”. None of that disposable crap, something that’ll survive several washes with bleach water. Is it a pain in the ass? Yes. Should you really only be going out in extreme emergencies anyway? also Yes.
    – Latex gloves. Or rubber if you’re alergic, household gloves for all i care. As long as they’re fully enclosed without holes and can survive, again, dippin in bleach water.
    – Boots. Simple rainboots will do. Again; fluid and air tight is what we’re looking at.
    – Duct tape to tape everything together. There is tape that doesn’t leave a residue but still sticks well (until the bleach wash) which i’d recommend. Tape the hood to your mask, your wrists to the gloves and the ankle pipes to your boots.

    And that’s it. That’s the full monty gear. Even those ridicolous movie suits just do the exact same thing, only they’ve got an even better filter on the end of a tube on their back. But it really doesn’t matter whether that filter’s on your back or on the side of your mouth; same principles still apply.

    Do note: If you still catch it, a full face mask will not protect others as well. You would have to put some cloth or something around/behind the exit valve to seperate the virus from those airborne particles (meaning the cloth absorbs the droplets and the virus stays within them instead of mingling with particles).

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:12pm

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    BillL

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    Thank you.

    Your last sentence sums it up for me.

    Almost everyone seems to think that they will live forever.

     

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:12pm

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    ao

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    Google is great is you are discerning about the information source

    To be considered the truth, something must meet the criteria of being:

    1) empirically adequate

    2) logically consistent and coherent

    3) experientially evident

    I’d check your beliefs against these criteria.  For example, even in the present high demand situation for palladium and rhodium, you will never get spot price.  Yes, you can make a nice profit but spot price?  Nope.  BTDT.

    Looking at the bullionvault for impartiality about silver is like looking to Trump for impartiality about the economy pre-election.

    With regards to Goldman, one never knows how much validity their pronouncements have.  They can lie to drive the price of a position up with holding that position or lie to drive a price up just to set it up for a take-down.  In their history, they’ve done both.

    Have you tried doing test runs of selling to a pharmacy or a photography studio or any other entity for that matter?  You’ll find that theoretical beliefs are often dashed by real world practicalities.  Until you’ve actually done it and tried it, you don’t know the results.  Again, BTDT which is why I’m saying this.  Plus, I’ve traded metals for 20 years now and made in the 7 figure range from it so I’m talking from real world experience, not theoretical projections or the Googled (and thus potentially suspect) experience of others or any other vicarious source.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:22pm

    #27
    Desogames

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    Liquidity Crisis Incoming

    Sorry for spam again but so much is going so fast now 😀

    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/global%20credit%20market.jpg?itok=GvkOUsTz

    Credit markets have completely locked up. It’s going to be only a matter of time before  junk bonds crack. And as soon as they do, they will drag the “one notch above junk” bubble with it.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/party-its-1998-quarter-32-trillion-bbb-rated-bonds-may-be-junk

    And that was end of last year.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:24pm

    #28
    Ision

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    The U.S. Pandemic

    It seems we have been told exactly how the U.S. is going to handle this pandemic.  It is going to allow it to run its course with as little government action as possible and let the chips fall as they may.

    They will treat it just like the common flu, as they already know they are well past the time any attempt to contain could ever be successful.  They are not going to test.  Why should they?  COVID-19 already presents itself clinically and its pathology is different from the common flu.  Besides, most tests seem to be only about 50% accurate, with false negatives and positives.  It really doesn’t matter if you die from the flu, or SARS-CoV-2,  does it?    The ONLY thing you can do is to try and not get infected…when it is expected to infect 70% of all Americans.

    After all, if medical help is available, it will only be used to treat your symptoms. This being so, knowing your symptoms are caused by SARS-CoV-2 will not alter your treatment.

    If it cannot be contained, and they do not seek to make such an effort, their really is no need to test at all.    We have no cure and no vaccine anyway.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:35pm

    #29

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Excellent

    Direct and to the point.  Love it!  Thank you.

    I actually feel much better with logic and straight forward information!

    Am doing a screen shot to remind myself of what the hell is going on.

    Thanks Ision

     

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:37pm

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    ao

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    "Learn to accept your mortality with grace"

    Ision, truer words were never spoken than these and the rest of what you said.  Wish I could up-vote you multiple times but my up-vote function seems not to be working.  Given your background, I’d like to hear more of what you have to say on this issue.  I’ll take one well informed professional opinion based on real world experience over a hundred amateur opinions based on theorizing.

    P.S. I shaved my head and beard decades ago and never looked back.  Swimming plus protection against pankration chancery were the initial reasons but I’ve saved a small fortune on haircuts over the years and always liked the look of Yul Brynner, Telly Savalas, and Shaolin monks.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:37pm

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    Desogames

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    I've traded too

    Traded some silver forex back in 2011. Made 20% in a day. It’s not hard, just following lines on a chart.

    I quit a week later because i was studying oil patterns when a small silver trade i had exploded higher, along with oil, gold etc. Instead of having €225 i went to €232 unexpectedly. So i closed the trade and waited for the news; i knew something big had happened and that was no time for a market scrub like me (at the time).

    I found out the spike was because of the news that the syrian government had fired on the protestors. I had made quite a bit of money over the corpses of protesters.

    So i became physically ill. Literally, signs of flu while i hadn’t even left my apartment in a week. So i decided to open a silver trade again, go to sleep and let the universe decide what would come of this transgression. I closed and exited out the next day at €161 euro.

    I understand the markets just fine. The fact that you think “i made 7 figures trading metal” is really any basis for an argument in a pandemic is not.

    What Goldman Sachs really means is very simple; whatever the hell makes them the most money, with the caveat that they have no mercy, kindness or soul. If telling the truth makes them the most money, then they will do so. And right now they’re saying massive upside to gold because they want it to go higher after their contacts manipulated the futures market lower and they where able to assume a nice position.

    They’ve done it before just watch The Big Short again. I know, Hollywood, but guess what? Hollywood will also tell the truth if it makes them the most money! (then they dramatize it so it makes even more). And futures manipulation is not without precedent. After all if you made a 7 figures trading metals you know how over leveraged the gold market is compared to actual physical deliveries and that not all deliveries can possibly be met. What do you think will happen to the price once that party stops?

    Is it going to happen? i don’t know, nobody can say. But it’s wise to plan for it.

    Are all of my plans going to work out? no, that’s why i have backup plans. Namely 1000 euros in cash as generally speaking, gold and cash move in opposite directions. If silver becomes unwanted, cash will be wanted. Because if we go back to barter it’s going to take just a week for people to figure out it’s very cumbersome and it’d be nice if we had some sort of representative value of the goods we carry that is easyer to trade. AKA Money. SO whatever the new money is, that is what i’ll be trading silver for. That’s the main plan.

    The backup plan remains hawking silver off to anybody who’ll take it for whatever that’ll get me food and/or water. If that’s a photography shop, a pharmacy, a jeweler, the grocerymarket, WHATEVER – Silver will be the best store of value up until that point.

    You want to consider it proven that you have a big dick because you made 7 figures in a central bank controlled market? Great, consider yourself my superior. Now go prove you’re better then me in thinking ahead for what happens when that market dies.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:38pm

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    westcoastjan

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    Best CFS yet!

    So the guy who is in charge of the $ in our office decides that, in the face of expenditure directives from on high, it would be a good thing to, wait for it….. tell all the admin staff to stop buying hand sanitizer to save money! OMG!!!!

    Definitely CFS can’t fix stupid) 🙁  I vote for a new acronym: CFII – Can’t Fix Ignorant Idiots!

    God help us if these are the kind of people running the show….

    Jan

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:40pm

    #31

    westcoastjan

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    bummer - my link is not working in #30

    is a GIF of the kid shovelling the sand on his own head… no further explanation needed.

    [Edit: fixed it for you, Jan!…cheers, Adam]

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:42pm

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    Jim H

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    Additional info. supporting the use of Chaga mushroom for improved viral immunity

    I have published my research on the herbals/medicinals thread, but I found more info. today that further points to the potential efficacy of Chaga, aka Inonotus Obliquus, which grows on birch trees in Northern climate zones, against this virus.

    This was published on Zerohedge today, which again points to the existence of HIV-like sequences in this virus;

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/coronavirus-hiv-mutation-suggests-nearly-1000x-more-likely-sars-infect

    Here is a paper that speaks to a Chaga mushroom as a medicine;

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1534735418757912

    Inonotus obliquus extracts were found to inhibit hepatitis C virus14 and human immunodeficiency virus15 and demonstrated strong antioxidant and immunostimulatory activities in vitro.16,17

    Do your own homework, but expect that Chaga mushroom products will eventually be as hard to find as N-95 masks.  There are many sources across the Northern States and Canada – this is the one I have used;  https://www.upchagaconnection.com/

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:44pm

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    Tom Sammy

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    Additional insight on Solano County case with no known origin

    https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/02/26/california-coronavirus-patient-hospitalized-at-least-a-week-before-diagnosis-1263958

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:45pm

    #34
    annie

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    I love your commentary and thank you but please add Canada to your list

    I love your daily video and other content and I’ve been a subscriber for a long time.  I know you’re all working super hard but please can I ask you to add Canada to the list featured on your videos.  I’ve read all the comments on the last week plus of videos on YouTube and many people are also asking for you to add Canada to the list.

    You must have quite a number of us Canadian subscribers too and it’s hard not to feel just a little left out.  I know it’s not intentional and you all have many things on your plate, but I think you’d please a lot of people by adding Canada to your list.

    Thanks and stay safe all.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:49pm

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    Ision

    You said, ” The ONLY thing you can do is to try and not get infected…when it is expected to infect 70% of all Americans.”

    My theme here in commenting is to expect that you are going to get infected, and point out that the thing to do in this case is to mount an early and effective immune response to the virus.  I sleep much better knowing that I have my immune boosting house in order.  My research suggests that there are definitely things you can do to lower your risk of getting really sick from this if/when exposed.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:57pm

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    Adam Taggart

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    We Love Canada!

    Annie –

    Chris isn’t deliberately ignoring Canada. The chart he is using is from Worldometers.info.

    He is screen grabbing the top half of the chart, which has the countries with the highest # of coronavirus infections (the whole chart won’t fit on a single slide)

    Since Canada doesn’t have that many (only 12), it’s so far down the list it’s not captured in Chris’ screengrab.

    So be happy your country isn’t on his slide. If it were, you’d have a lot more to worry about!

    You can access the latest entire table of countries showing # Total Cases, New Cases, Total Deaths, New Deaths, Total Recovered, and Serious/Critical any time at this url:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    And here’s the latest full table (as of 10pm PT Feb 26, 2020):

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 8:58pm

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    Jim H

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    Japan reinfection

    Interesting story Barbara… my interpretation is that she had virus left in her house that was not effectively decontaminated.  Did she throw away her old toothbrush?  That’s all it would take….

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 9:03pm

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    Nairobi

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    What is really going on with people just dropping dead?

    I know this was just discussed today but can anyone with a medical background shed light on why so many virus victims are dropping dead in their tracks?

    Its like they were feeling fine one moment and then in the next boom the switch got turned off. To me it seems like an electrical circuit breaking.

    Does ANY other disease do that?

    What have we got in the historical records of people abruptly freezing and falling down dead on their backs with their arms to their sides?

    What kind of Zombie freakshow is this?

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 9:09pm

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    Desogames

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    Alright new plan.

    Well. It seems my preparation might’ve been too late for wave 1. But considering immunity will be a bitch, i’m still very much happy to have what i have for wave 2.

    My temp’s going up. Rapidly so. I have one of those infrared thermometers they use at the airports as well (-50 to 750c range). My forehead is 36,3c and the back of my throat had a reading of 38.0c just a few moments ago. I’ve had a dry cough for about a day or so, and i’ve been fatigued for 2-3 days, though i thought that was because of the massive amounts of energy i’ve expended screaming at my friends.

    The reason i aimed for my throat is because my room is a chilly 20C there abouts (i don’t run the heating cause it’s cheaper) and i’ve noticed when i smoke outside and come back in, my forehead can cool off alot (so ambient temperature wasn’t a factor).

    I have >specifically< kept track of my temperature the last 2-3 days since i started feeling fatigued, at every time i felt even a slighly bit warm. But even the back of my throat has given normal readings, until just now. Even though i’ve been feeling “hot” all day and i took measurements all day, only just now did i manage to get the elevated temperature reading and i really had to aim down my throat to get a core temperature reading.

    Yep just verified 38.1c. But i *really* have to aim at my core to get that one. it’s really hard (just to emphasize how useless those forehead readings are, which is now 36,4C)

    If i do have it, i know EXACTLY where i got it. Dental hygienist that was breathing heavy above my face 10 days ago. She said “she had a cold” which is very much possible since it’s the season here too. But i thought that her breathing heavy was odd specifically, because a clogged nose doesn’t make you breathe heavier, just through your mouth. So the incubation time is closer to Covid19 then Flu (if my father or sister infect me it’s always 3-5 days with flu/cold and it starts with a sore throat, not a dry cough).

    I have no problems breathing at the moment. But i am a smoker, i smoke weed and damiana (not tobacco) so i am not sure if i would be able to notice the difference.

    IRONICALLY i’m waiting for a pulse ox meter and a blood pressure meter to arrive today. Didn’t have the money had to wait for the monthly check, lol. so no stats there.

    In any case. Just writing all this in case it *does* turn out i have it. If not; i’ll post it later of course. But it is in case they immediately slam the quarantine door on me. Though, since i live in the Netherlands, i doubt they’re just gonna axe all contact. We still have >0< confirmed cases at this time.

    As i said i always have a backup plan and the plan in this case is to immediately call my house doctor which opens in 1 hour and get referred/told what to do. If i do have it, even if it turns serious, since the system is not yet overwhelmed – i have a very high chance of survival. Even if i didn’t, turning yourself in early is the right thing to do. And as an example i will. It only becomes futile if the system is overwhelmed and you have a choice between dying in a large hall or dying at home.

    End of the post… my foreheads now 36.5c.

    EDIT: This is the city i live in (county of 250k). Also; new reading of my forehead: 36,1c. What the hell? 36.2c on the 2nd reading.

    HOLY SHIT if i do have it, i JUST figured out HOW it can spread throughout airplanes and bypass temperature checks!

    Because i’ve been doing these readings while sitting down behind my PC. But i have to turn this thing to shoot down my throat. So i got up, walked to the bathroom cause it has a mirror, and measured my forehead again. 35.5C. Even the back of my throat was colder again, 37.1c, normal temps. I tried aiming everywhere but it just got colder the longer i kept my mouth open.

    It doesn’t cause a fever. It causes a Light fever. And if you get up, then walk a little bit >through cold air< (if you call 20c ambient cold), your body temperature drops more then enough to fool the temperature checks.

    I’ve been back at my PC sitting for a while again. My temps back up to 36.2c on my forehead and i feel warm.

    That’s whats happening in the planes! They should check people before the plane lands, after they’ve been sitting in a nice warm chair for a while. Remember; you can’t heat up something more then your body temperature! Even if you are wrapped in perfect insulation, that insulation can’t become hotter then your body’s core temperature cause you don’t generate more excess heat in power generation.

    Aside from that i’m getting *wildly* different readings. I just got 36,5c and 36,0c in what i could’ve sworn was the same spot on my forehead. Back of my throat is still 38c.

    This explains a fuckton. This fever is anything but consistant. I still feel like i have a dry throat and fatigue. My head’s starting to feel a bit “swimmingly” too, like it’s floaty. That’ll be the fever.

    AGAIN i don’t know if i have it. 40 mins till the doc opens. But whether it’s Covid or a Cold, a fever is a fever, and my infrared temperature meter is the same (infact newer/better model) as the ones used in the airports.

    Yep did another readings. 36,4c on the forehead, then checked immediately again, 36c – 36.2c spread over my forehead. End of the sentance reading: 36.3c. another 10 seconds later: 36c.

    There you go. If i get confirmed with it, that’s your explanation of why measuring foreheads isn’t catching anybody.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 9:11pm

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    dtrammel

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    N95 Masks Just About Out Locally

    Stopped by a big box hardware store Menards tonight, the 6-7 boxs of 15 that were there last night were gone. A few 2 packs still on the shelf. Home Depot across the street was cleaned out to empty shelves.

    The two 3M respirators I were looking at online are down to one supplier with a April 2 delivery date. Supplies are going fast.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 9:16pm

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    dtrammel

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    Anti Mucus Drug Guaifenesin

    I was looking at anti mucus medicines tonight, most seem to have the chemical Guaifenesin in them. Any one know anything about this stuff?

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 9:36pm

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    annie

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    Thanks Adam!

    Thanks for clearing that one up.  I’ll check out the link from here on in and suggest others do if I see them on the YouTube comments section bringing up the same point. I don’t believe for one moment (I’m sure you don’t either) that we only have 12 cases.  We aren’t testing which is an excellent way to ensure our numbers stay low.  Thanks to you and the team for keeping us informed.  PP is our bright light in the dark.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 9:37pm

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    LeftCoaster

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    Guifenisen aka Mucinex

    Guaifenisen is the active ingredient in mucinex. It works to help thin secretions enough, so you can bring them up & get them out of your body. The key is you must have adequate fluids, or they cannot work as intended.  If you have excess mucus in your lungs & are coughing, the action of the cough along with the thinning action of the drug helps loosen mucus & move it up through the airway.  In the absence of a cough, you can help someone move secretions by doing chest physiotherapy ie cupping.. It is a technique used in respiratory ICU settings or with kids that have CF.. Essentially, you have the patience preferably on their side.(Lets say left side for example.) You put a piece of cloth over the right side of the back (posterior lung area) and gently tap the lung area with cupped hands. The air in your hand gently vibrates the lung area & can help remove thick secretions.  You can do that for about 5 min.  Just remember, be gentle.  This is a lung, not a drum.  Then have the patient turn over on their right side and repeat the process on the left posterior chest wall. (Their back)   Do not be surprised if they start coughing after they move a bit. this is what you want. Stay with them & make sure they can clear their airway.     Bear in mind, this can be very tiring for a sick person, so don’t over do it.     I hope this explanation is clear enough. I have no graphics to go along with it.  Good luck.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 9:46pm

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    Thx Adam!!

    you da best 🙂

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 9:48pm

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    Nairobi

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    Thanks Leftcoaster. You can use the technique on yourself. I just tried. It works like a charm sitting up.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 9:51pm

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    Geedard

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    Thermometer being used by Desogames

    My temp’s going up. Rapidly so. I have one of those infrared thermometers they use at the airports as well (-50 to 750c range). My forehead is 36,3c and the back of my throat had a reading of 38.0c just a few moments ago. I’ve had a dry cough for about a day or so, and i’ve been fatigued for 2-3 days, though i thought that was because of the massive amounts of energy i’ve expended screaming at my friends.

    It sounds as though your thermometer might be an industrial grade version, as opposed to a medical grade version. Earlier this week I heard that the industrial grade infrared thermometers often exhibit an accuracy level of +/- 4 degrees.    Reason: they are designed to measure vast temperature ranges (as you say: -50 to +750 C) such as measuring the temperature of operating machines.    Medical grade infrared thermometers are designed to accurately measure a very narrow temperature range (body temperature ranges).   Also, the distance and angle of measuring the temperature seems to make a difference.

    Have you tried using a different type of thermometer?     I hope you will recover quickly from whatever you have contracted.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 10:15pm

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    Desogames

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    Thermometer

    Well if it’s good for the goose it’s good for the gander. If the WHO uses these why can’t i? 😀

    I do have another medical themometer. Also infrared, but limited range (already tested, it says Lo very quickly). In one ear i get 36.8 and in the other 37.6, which it’s said to “add a degree” ontop of that. I 100% have a fever because i can feel it too. It’s that “floaty” feeling you get, like a light alcohol buzz, as your temp rises.

    I do have an absurd tolerance for higher temperatures though. My mother used to say she knew when i was sick as i would get hyper (the woozyness taking away my social control first) and she knew it was bad because at 40C on the dot i’d stop talking alltogether. I’d be fine, but what’s 39C for my sister (total shutdown) i won’t hit till 40C. Highest i’ve ever gone was 41,3C when i was 3 months old.

    The trick with these thermometers is to hold it steady pointed at one spot for a while. They’re accurate enough; but slow, sometimes they take a second or two to shift a few decimal points. Especially if you first point it at a cold place then a hot place, or from a hot place to then a cold place. It’s like the sensor needs to play catch up for a few seconds.

    EDIT: i mean to say, if you just point and shoot like a gun, it’ll be inaccurate. Point and hold, it’s very accurate. Goes to 0,1C accuracy. It’s the big brother of one i got via an affiliate link from the youtuber thunderf00t. Trust me, if he says it’s good, it’s good. Skeptical sonofabitch.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 10:23pm

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    Mary Critchley

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    Many in the UK are in angry denial. The UK Government however....finally...

    Part of the new UK Coronavirus legislation in Britain:

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/129/regulation/13/made

    Section 13 – Enforcement

    3.—(1) Where a requirement is imposed on a person to be detained or kept in isolation under regulation 4, 5 or 8, a constable may do any of the following—

    (a)take the person to a suitable place, specified by the Secretary of State or a public health officer, for the person’s detention or isolation;

    (b)keep the person in detention or isolation.

    (2) Where a person absconds from detention or isolation imposed under regulation 4, 5 or 8, a constable may take the person into custody and return the person to the place of detention or isolation, or take the person to another suitable place specified by a public health officer.

    (3) A constable may use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of a power under this regulation.”

    (As Tiny Tim would say, “God bless us every one”  – but I am not counting on it.  Instead, I’m counting on all the excellent preparation advice in these pages.  A huge thank you to all)

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 10:45pm

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    Just Crossed My Red Line

    Case of infection, source unknown, in Solano County, northeast of the San Francisco Bay Area. Tomorrow morning, I will start the 1000 mile drive to extract my 83-year-old brother and bring him to my little farm. The world’s greatest neighbor (thanks, Blair!) has volunteered to watch his house. Very difficult for my brother to decide to leave his home for an extended period based on my recommendation only. I had been able to discuss this red line with him two weeks ago, which helped. A little.

    Thank you to Chris and Adam and all of you commenters for teaching me how to look and understand and be ready.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 10:45pm

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    Gossamer

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    Guifenisen aka Mucinex

    It thins snot to allow it to drain from your sinuses, and so that it is thin enough to allow you to cough it up as long as you drink lots and lots of water.

     

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 10:52pm

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    Sharsta

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    Postural Drainage

    Hi LeftCoaster,

    What you described is also called Postural Drainage – lots of pictures on the Net – especially from Cystic Fibrosis.

    I had chronic bronchitis as a small kid and it was done to me a LOT – lying face down on an ironing board which was propped up on the side of the bed.
    You can do it yourself – lie on your tummy with your hips on the edge of the bed and your torso and head hanging down to the floor, prop yourself on the floor on your elbows.
    Best angle is about 45 degrees. Now, start coughing – it doesn’t take much.
    Not to be recommended if you have any blood pressure problems, but as a manual way to help clear mucus (when you are allergic to most of the drugs on offer) so you can breathe a bit easier, it works well when done regularly.

    Another trick when trying to get some sleep (with bronchitis) is to prop yourself up on pillows so you are not flat, with your torso and head at an angle of about 45 degrees up from your hips and legs.

    If you are used to sleeping flat, then this position takes a while to get used to, but if you are crook and desperate for some sleep it is very useful.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 10:55pm

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    Gossamer

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    treatment for COVID-19

    There have been some successes for certain treatments.  One is that in China, they’ve very successfully been taking plasma antibodies from recovered patients and treating new patients with that.  Another treatment is to perform dialysis for patients who develop severe cytokine storm reactions when their bodies go all out to kill every cell containing the virus.  The successful approach is to use a medium-sized filter.  A third way to treat this virus is to get the patient into an experimental drug trial for IV Remdesivir.  I think at least one passenger from the cruise ship, Diamond Princess, has begun treatment with it.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 10:57pm

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    LifeIn2020

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    Heat and Humidity in household referenced in today's video?

    Hi all,

    In today’s video, Chris made a reference to using heat and humidity in the home to one’s advantage in protecting family from COVID19 (it’s at roughly 24:25 in the video, link to timestamp below.)

    He said there was additional info available here on the website.  I didn’t find it in my first pass search, so thought I’d ask if anyone might be able to point me in the right direction?

    Thanks!

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 11:00pm

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    Kailee56

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    More effective cough

    It is an expectorant It will thin the secretions in your lungs, not just your sinuses.  It will not stop a cough.  It is designed to make your coughs more effective by allowing you to more easily expectorate, or cough out, the secretions causing you to cough.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 11:22pm

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    DaveDD

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    A huge thanks!

    Dear PP, and fellow critical thinkers,

    I have heard and seen enough. According to my model (a trained physicist and mathematician) we will see worldwide contagion at the end of May, if nothing changes. Thanks to PP (and others, like Mike Maloney) we are financially prepared (as far as possible with a limited budget). Yesterday we received the last shipment of scientifically proven vitamins, minerals and elderberry sirup. Today and tomorrow we will complete our food preparations.

    good luck to all!

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 11:22pm

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    dtrammel

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    Here's The Link

    LifeIn2020, Chris actually put that comment in the members area here:

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/why-your-friends-family-arent-taking-the-coronavirus-seriously-enough/#comment-370802

    Which is in reference to this study:

    https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.0030151

    My take away is, basically cold temperature makes the virus live longer, hot temperatures less. Low humidity make the virus float in the air longer, high humidity makes it fall to the floor quicker. High temperature and high humidity helps your nasal mucus fight the virus.

    So to keep from getting it, stay out of the cold and go out when its raining. If you think you’ve been exposed or have gotten it, turn up your heat and sit with a humidifier.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 11:24pm

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    back2basics

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    question about mask and filters

    I bought a few of these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QYX3H5C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 reusable masks that use disposable pm 2.5 carbon filters. The mask says n95 in the ad. I’m wondering about the efficacy of these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08561WWQM/ref=sr_1_14_sspa?crid=30RHU2CVYWRFF&keywords=pm+2.5+mask+filters&qid=1582788131&s=hi&sprefix=pm%2Ctools%2C182&sr=1-14-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzNFBLRFIxOTA5UlFUJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDE0Njk4MzhLOUQwTVlaODEwMSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDA2MDkxMlAzQzY0SDFCS1o0SyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX210ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=pm 2.5 filters in a reusable n95 mask against something like this beast of a virus. These filters seem to be readily available still on Amazon. They supposedly last between 40-60 hours of usage. Is it worth it to buy replacements?

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 11:24pm

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    Desogames

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    Small update

    I called the house doctor. The assistant recieved new guidelines today. She asked if i had been abroad, i said no. I’ve listed my full history of symptoms which include atleast 6 of covid now (which includes confusion now so sorry if i sound weird). She said “if i haven’t been abroad the chances are 0% according to the guidelines”.

    I argued with the bitch until she gave up and said “you know what i’ll have a doctor call you back”. And i said “thank you” and am now waiting on the call.

    You know what works in the netherlands? getting mad and then apologizing. People just don’t want trouble. Waiting on round 2 now.

    As for my symptoms: 3 days ago fatigue, 2 days ago dry cough, fever developed 4 hours ago, i now have confusion, shortness of breath and muscle aches as well. All of these symptoms i can also explain away by other means.

    The fucking fever comes and goes! THATS BEEN THE FUCKING KEY! it’s not constant. I’m having a very hard time capturing it but i really do not feel fine.

    EDIT: again wanna mention the most likely place i picked it up is the dental hygenist 10 days ago.

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 11:32pm

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    LifeIn2020

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    Thanks!

    @dtrammel

    Thank you.  I’m a new member and still finding my way around.  I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction!

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  • Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 11:53pm

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    dtrammel

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    Red Cross Home Nursing Manual

    Sometimes elders knew what they were doing.

    Here is a free online scanned copy of the 1951 Red Cross Home Nursing Textbook, the procedures in chapter 9, starting page 149 show some of the ways the sick or inform were helped at home.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924003471137&view=1up&seq=149

    I liked the illustration on how to put on a gown from a hanger.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 12:26am

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    dtrammel

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    At this point, better than nothing

    At this point just about anything you can get a hold of will be a step up from nothing back2basics

    I’ve been following this for about 6 weeks now. I’m a subscriber of Chris’ and caught the early rumblings of the virus outbreak. We’ve have some amazing community members, who post a wide range of scientific papers and medical knowledge. There are conflicting opinions on everything, especially masks.

    Here are my opinions (take them with a grain of salt).

    N95 masks block 95% of particles down to the 0.3 micron range, that’s really small. That’s good if the virus particles are in droplet form and not an aerosol.

    What does that mean, when a person coughs water droplets are expelled into the air. Those are large and fall to the floor rather quickly. So if you keep some distance from someone who coughs, and get out of the area quickly, you should be ok.

    Some research indicates this virus when coughed comes out with very little water. That’s what they call an aerosol. Its like the dust particles you see in a sunlight beam. If that is so, they will hang in the air a long time and can probably penetrate a N95 mask.

    Note a N100 mask filters the same size as a N95, only gets them a little better.

    What it seems to be isn’t the mask’s quality as it is two things, making sure it fits well, without air gaps and places that raw air can get into your lungs AND secondary infections from touching yourself while wearing the mask, like the eyes.

    No mask will be protective if you don’t fit it to your face well. That means molding the metal piece on your nose to fit it to your face and to make sure its pulled tightly to your face with no air gaps. Beard and mustaches unfortunately are going to no longer be an option.

    Unfortunately tight fitting masks build up heat and humidity. N95 masks try and cut that down by having that round air chamber. Yours won’t have that, so its going to get hot quick. You’ll be tempted to pull it off to get some relief.

    But, your hands are going to be a path of infection. Every door handle you touch may carry the virus. Once its on your hands, then you can pass it onto some other part of your body. You are going to have to get old time religion and sanitize your hands every time you need to touch your face. And not a quick wipe with the sanitizer gel either. You put it on, rub it in and give it 3-4 minutes before you even think to touch your mask.

    And forget about touching your eyes. That’s going to suck for me, mine tear up a little all the time, and I wipe them with a finger constantly.

    Best thing then is to wear a set of goggles too. First to keep your unclean fingers from them, but also because the moist eyes might be a pathway for the virus to enter. One or two cases have indicated that.

    No idea about ears, some people claim the same thing and are wearing ear plugs.

    Your masks look like they are well fitted but I’d look at any air gap. Not sure about the charcoal filters. One study says you can clean paper masks with a soak in hydrogen peroxide for 30 minutes, with a water rinse and air dry. Not sure what that would do to the charcoal.

    Bottom line, in my opinion, self infection from touch or not disinfecting when you get home will be a much bigger vector to infections than what mask you wear. Your masks are better than nothing.

    (I’m not a doctor, nor play one on TV)

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 12:30am

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    dtrammel

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    Try These Threads For Information

    Anytime LifeIn2020.

    BTW there are many other comments filled with information. Its hard to go through each of the almost daily video threads here and find what you need to know so we have put together a megathread, one where all the comments about basic subjects are listed so you can find them.

    Here are the three current threads:

    Coronavirus: Home Prep, Deep Pantry & Gardening Megathread

    Coronavirus: Medicinals, Herbals and Supplements Megathread

    Coronavirus: Sanitation, PPE and Self Quarantine Megathread

    (These threads are current to 2/14, they will be updated to 2/23 tomorrow.)

    Lots of amazing information in those threads. If you are searching for something specific, use your browser’s “Find” option.

    If what you are looking for is not covered in those comments, then please POST A QUESTION to any video thread. The community has a diverse and knowledgeable depth you won’t find anywhere else on the Internet, and they are here to help.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 1:54am

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    Geedard

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    D&B White Paper - Business and Supply Chain Analysis Due to the Coronavirus Outbreak

    Here a copy of the Dun & Bradstreet white paper –> Business Impact of the Coronavirus  –> Business and Supply Chain Analysis Due to the Coronavirus Outbreak

    DNB_Business_Impact_of_the_Coronavirus_US

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:35am

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    VTGothic

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    Re: How many months?

    Officially, 14 days. But, c’mon. If there’s any rationale for that it’s that a quarantine only lasts 14 days, to clear the area (or individual) of being contaminated according to official guidelines that if you’ve got it you’ll present in those 14 days – which we all know is bunkum. Plus, if you’re in a house and 1 person presents within those 14 days, the clock ought reset from that moment to see if anyone else comes down in a subsequent 14 days. This is why China closed cities for a month – and likely more yet.

    We all have to decide for ourselves. Personally, I think one ought to prepare for at least 30 days. Then, when that’s done, for another 30, and even another 30 days after that. After all, a community can sustain an unfolding problem over an extended period of time. And if it’s food you’d eat anyhow, you can just rotate through it in good times, and you’ll always be prepared for shocks to your personal world (like, say, a job loss; it’d be nice to know you don’t have to spend your remaining cash on food, right?). If you have the space, why not take a Mormon approach and gradually get prepared for a year?

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:15am

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    VeganDB12

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    utility of testing-mindset and protecting front line workers and families of patients

    There is a mindset with the apparent “don’t ask don’t tell” mentality of the authorities in the US.  When we avoiding testing, even with inadequate swabs and confusing chest CT, we are pretending it isn’t there.  I truly believe this propagates and the denial leads to less caution.  There is also the issue of the hospital staff like those at the first hospital where the community acquired California case was treated.   Avoiding testing leaves people like them most vulnerable.   If there is no viable testing for suspected cases I postulate quarantine is much less likely to happen.  Yes we are going to get ill but slowing down the spread will save lives.  Fatalism gets us the situation in Iran.

    It has become evident that China waited too long to acknowledge their problem, likely with world wide consequences.  I think the CDC will regret the decision to not test over time but there is nothing I can do about it. I feel for the families and healthcare staff exposed who are told that no one is even going to TRY to look for this thing as they are knowingly getting exposed at work and home.

    Sorry no links. I am just saying this for the record, time will tell.

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:27am

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    Desogames

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    Another update:

    I’ve got a call back from my house doctor.

    Because i’ve NOT been abroad for the last few weeks, and because i *cannot prove* i’ve got a fever (because the damn thing keeps coming and going) i will not get tested.

    I called the GGD question line, they couldn’t help me either. The website of the RIVM states that if you have symptoms you should call your house doctor. But because their guidelines say, if i don’t have a fever, and i haven’t been abroad MYSELF (people coming here doesn’t count) i *cannot* have the disease. They literally say “the chance is nil”.

    But i’m not going to back down. I’m going to start escalating this. If you don’t hear back from me it’s cause i’m either in quarantine or jail!

    I don’t give a flying fuck if i have covid or not. I have the symptoms, they should test me.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:06am

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    Ian B

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    Bill Sardi article from LewRockwell.com

    Why I Want To Be Infected With the COVID-19 Coronavirus.

    Hi everyone, newbie here. I have posted this article for others to comment on, a lot of it is too technical for me, but several strands seem important and interesting – and controversial. I would be grateful for members with real medical knowledge to try and make sense of it for us, particularly on supplements.

    Thanks to everyone for making such great contributions. UK based by the way.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:09am

    #50

    lambertad

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    first community spread in US

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/cdc-confirms-first-possible-community-spread-coronavirus-case-in-us.html

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:11am

    #51
    allsmiles

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    Big4 bans large work gatherings -- any EY people here?

    I’ve heard a rumor that EY has banned its employee from attending basically all large work gatherings. Applies to everyone globally. Interesting move if true and I wonder if other firms in the industry will follow suit. Can anyone here confirm?

    New member here — thank you for this incredible work, Chris and Adam!

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:22am

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    msnrochny

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    How Long?

    CK –

    We are trying to set up for 18-months.  That’s the earliest a vaccine is likely to be available.  Ripple effects with possible multiple waves, economic fallout, and societal issues could go longer.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:31am

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    km64

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    Remember wash your hands

    Remember this, 30% of people don’t wash their hands after using the restroom, and 50% of those that wash their hands don’t do it correctly.

    Also makes me wonder about the utility of having hand sanitizer in the bathroom, like we do at work. The faucet handles and the door handle going out of the bathroom is probably the most likely places of transmission.  We should have the hand sanitizer outside of the bathroom as a final step after washing your hands in the bathroom.

    After washing hands, I’ve been getting a squirt of H.S. walking out of the bathroom, and then covering my hands with the H.S.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/why-hand-washing-really-could-slow-down-an-epidemic

    30% of people do not wash their hands

    The researchers started from existing data indicating that a large number of people do not wash their hands after using the restroom.

    According to study co-author Prof. Christos Nicolaides, “70% of […] people who go to the toilet wash their hands afterward.”

    “The other 30% don’t [wash their hands]. And of those that do, only 50% do it right.”

    – Prof. Christos Nicolaides

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:50am

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    Tom Sammy

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    CDC refused to test California unknown origin case

    CDC refused to test after UC medical asked because did not fit testing criteria.   On Sunday they relented and the person was positive.  CDC must modify their testing criteria if we are to have ANY chance finding community spread.   Not to mention this poor person in the hospital who might benefit from faster diagnosis and different treatment protocol.

    You’d think with the billions being allocated they could expand testing criteria to all suspicious cases.  

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-cdc-didn-t-immediately-test-covid-19-case-n1143996

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:30am

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    Kimmy

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    Wow!

    Look at what is on the New York Times today front page under a link on how to prepare labeled (Should you cancel your family vacation?):

    Should I worry about air travel?

    “Traveling on airplanes and in airports should be safe because, unlike chicken pox or measles, the virus doesn’t appear to be airborne, meaning it most likely does not linger suspended in the air, Dr. Maldonado said.

    “I don’t know exactly what the mechanism is, but this is really acting like a large droplet transmission,” she said, which means you’re more likely to get it from contaminated surfaces or people near you. “As you sneeze or cough, these are larger droplets that spew out and they tend not to travel more than three feet or so.”

    So if someone on a plane did have coronavirus, she said, you would need to touch the same surface they touched or sit near them in order to potentially be infected.”

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  Saying NOT

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:42am

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    Desogames

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    well i'm screwed for now

    No amount of fuss i make is gonna make these idiots change their rules. I’m going to have to wait until i either get worse or somebody else drops dead before i get my damn test.

    Meanwhile i’m keeping a health log. And i’m gonna need you guys help on something so i don’t have to call the poor doctor again; she’s already getting swamped.

    On an pulse-oximeter, the Perfusion Index Or PI%…. How stable is that supposed to be? I can’t find any good google results on it and best i found was a study on positions affecting the PY (4.5 plus minus 2.5 for sitting and 3,5-7.8 for standing.), so i understand there’s supposed to be a margin….

    ….but the darn thing literally climbed up to 10.2 PI% before cratering down to 5% in 5-10 seconds and all the way down to 3,5% within 30 seconds.

    Even the other measurements show the same pattern. go up, stay on a number for a good long while (19-20-30 seconds) and then the number either just craters or flies. Consistantly so. Feel free to tell me that’s normal, i’m not one for headaches 😀

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:42am

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    Myrto Ashe

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    Sudden cardiac death looks like that

    When you collapse, is called “syncope.“ (pronounced  syn-co-pee). When you collapse with warning (such as lightheadedness, or sweating), it’s usually fainting, or vasovagal syncope. When you collapse without warning, it’s often an electrical disturbance of the heart, for example, that’s what it would look like in sudden cardiac death. But I don’t think all the people who collapse are actually dead. Basically, I don’t know and I haven’t found an article on it.

    There is one condition that comes to mind where microbes can get into the heart electrical conduction system, and that would be Lyme disease. That involves a bacteria, I don’t know if a virus can do something like that.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:52am

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    Myrto Ashe

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    Perfusion index vs. Oxygen saturation percentage

    Desogames, I hope you just have a bad cold. Statistically a lot more likely. If they did a test, the chances it would be positive might be at most 5% if you look at the percent of positive tests done in all countries to date. However, I get your concern.

    Does your pulse oximeter give you an oxygen saturation percentage? I have never seen anyone measure the perfusion index instead and I don’t know how to help you with that.

    One more option might be to convince someone to do a flu test, but even those are positive only about 5 to 10% of the time when people have your symptoms. On the other hand, if your oxygen saturation drops to 93% that’s what China was using to screen their cases where the virus became widespread there. And anyways, you would need hospital care and oxygen at that point.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:56am

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    Mr Curious

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    precious metals

    Hey Deso, I’m going to take exception a bit with you that gold is “better”. It’s a false comparison. Silver is used in electronics more than gold because it’s the best conductor of electricity on earth. Batteries on the space station for example are silver-based because they are superior, and this has nothing to do with price of gold.  After water, food and oil, silver is arguably next in line as the most valuable commodity. It’s use in PVs, electric vehicles, robotics, drones, weapons systems, and of course anti-microbials is flat-out unsustainable. It will be beyond price, an issue of national security. Mines will be nationalized. Hoarding will be illegal.  Peak silver output from mining operations is already about 3 years in the rear-view mirror and the whole paradigm that silver is less valuable because it is a commodity is absurd. Reading technical charts in the paper markets to predict long-term pricing is as effective as reading goat entrails.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:58am

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    Expat2Uruguay

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    Question regarding migration strategy for covid

    if it turns out that there is seasonal reduction in the coronavirus transmission, I am considering how I would use migration as a tactic of avoidance. I currently live in the southern hemisphere, so I’m pretty worried about what will happen when the normal cold and flu season start here. So these are some music that I’m having and I would appreciate people’s feedback. Thanks for reading.
    Migration. I am considering hunkering down in my house for the fall (southern hemisphere) to avoid the virus and then starting travel toward the equator and continuing up into the US during the summer months. I have done a small amount of research and found that Ecuador and Costa Rica have the best Healthcare systems while not being high cost locations to live that allow 90-day tourist visas and have easy immigration procedures. I plan to travel via commercial airline, selecting for small planes and short hops on relatively untraveled pathways. I plan to Airbnb rent small places by using the “entire place” search feature. I plan to stay in each location for a month approximately. As summer approaches I plan to fly into a small airport in the southern part of California and Rent-A-Car for the rest of my travel up to Sacramento, where my children live.

    I want to stay in places for a month, because I want to conduct research of countries I may decide to live in for longer periods in case of a sustained pandemic without Suitable vaccine development.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:59am

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    km64

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    Good collection of coronavirus articles

    I read Instapundit daily and they’ve had a good roundup almost daily of news…

    Here’s a link to show what they’ve posted.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=coronavirus

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:01am

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    Desogames

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    MARKET UPDATE

    Remember i said there was a perfect sell signal when futures opened? Well the markets in the US just opened after a depressed day in the EU and what do we find?

    VIX up 17-18%( Up to a freaking 32.50 handle! Remember it was 17 at close on friday, 14 2 days earlier. Now highest since the greek sovereign debt crisis!), gold and silver up as well though modestly, everything else down. Notably, the dollar is down against the euro too.

    Also crypto is mixed; but after a couple of BRUTAL days, it deserves a small bounce. BTC is still down though.

    If we hit 40 on the VIX we blow past the dot com bubble, if we hit 60 we’ll blow past the financial crisis. Who’s willing to bet me it won’t get that far? Not many takers i assume….

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:08am

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    Green Acres

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    Link to UC Davis letter re: California case

    Here is the link to the letter from UC Davis about the California case, a patient who was transferred on Feb 19 after already being intubated: https://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/newly-diagnosed-coronavirus-patient-being-treated-at-uc-davis-medical-center/

    As Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding mentioned on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1232907642361843712?s=20 , this paragraph is very frustrating: ““Upon admission, our team asked public health officials if this case could be COVID-19. We requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, since neither Sacramento County nor (the California Department of Public Health) is doing testing for coronavirus at this time. Since the patient did not fit the existing CDC criteria for COVID-19, a test was not immediately administered,” said the email, which added that, “UC Davis Health does not control the testing process.”

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:14am

    #59

    saxplayer00o1

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    70% of world's population likely to contract coronavirus in 2020: US epidemiologist

    70% of world’s population likely to contract coronavirus in 2020: US epidemiologist

    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3882198

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:18am

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    Pulse Oxymeter Readings are finicky

    The Pulse Oximeter Sensor is easily confused by movement, cold finger temperatures, imperfect position on the finger tip, nail polish and many other things.

    The oxygen saturation does not actually change second to second.  If your O2Sat is changing second to second, that is measurement artifact.  Ignore it.  The gremlins in the machine are messing with your mind!

    Are your hands warm?  If not put hands in warm water for a minute or two.  Then sit down and relax and reapply the sensor.  Take readings for several minutes and find an rough average.  Go to a different finger.  Practice some slow breathing and focus on the breath itself to calm the fear part of self assessment.  A reliable O2Sat reading is steady over several minutes and matches the clinical impression of an experienced observer (doctor, nurse, paramedic).

    One of the rules in medicine is that if the O2Sat doesn’t match how the patient looks, then, the O2Sat is probably artifact.

    People acutely low on oxygen look pale and you can see they are breathing fast.  They appear to be working hard to breath using more muscles than normal.  Pulse rate is fast.

    Fever and viral syndrome will give many of these same symptoms even when O2Sat is normal.

    It is much easier to assess someone if they first take a full dose of ibuprofen or naproxen, let it absorb from the sluggish intestines –often 1.5 to 2 hours in a sick person.   They will break into a sweat as the temperature falls and much of the aching, fast heart rate, fast breathing, feeling “like I’m going to die” will all subside.

    Then after the fever has broken (pharmacologically) look closely at them, count pulse rate, watch their breathing motion and measure the O2Sat.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:22am

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    Expat2Uruguay

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    Question. Can little plastic veggie bags protect hands?

    When I have to touch something, like a handrail or a door handle, could I slip a thin plastic bag from the produce section of the market over my hand? Then when I’m done touching that thing I can throw the bag away. It sort of reminds me of those thin plastic gloves they use for food prep. I don’t think I could find the food prep gloves here in Uruguay though.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:58am

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    Rector

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    I just cut and pasted that into Word

    I will keep it in with my pulse oximeter for use with the device.  Your expertise is much appreciated.

    Rector

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:07am

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    chloecasey

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    Schools

    I was planning on sending an email to the school district supervisor as well as the high school principal asking them what they are doing to prepare, what is their redline, and what happens when it is invoked.  Has anyone already created a template that I can edit and use?

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:11am

    #63

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    The Economic Cataclysm Ahead

    https://oftwominds.cloudhostedresources.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oftwominds.com%2Fblog.html

    CHS……

    Do these actions instill unwavering confidence in the official U.S. response? You must be joking.

    It seems I am not the only one disappointed with the official narrative.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:28am

    #64

    Adam Taggart

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    SOLANO County *not* SONOMA County

    I woke up to the top headline on Zero Hedge screaming that the CDC has announced that the first “unconfirmed origin” case of covid-19 is in Sonoma County, where I live:

    But it looks like ZH mistyped. The correct county is Solano County:

    Those of us in Sonoma County can breathe a (small) sigh of relief — Solano County is still too close for comfort.

    And if you live in Solano County, my thoughts are with you. Get cracking on any remaining preps as fast you can.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:31am

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    Myrto Ashe

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    Pandemic Bond: I thought 20+ deaths in 2+ countries was the trigger for payout

    Iran has 26 deaths but I have not heard anything about what is happening with this bond. Does anyone know? Just curious whether some countries will get help from the bond.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:34am

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    thc0655

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    Fecal-oral transmission

    https://fortune.com/2020/02/20/coronavirus-fecal-transmission/

    The novel coronavirus is shed in the feces of infected people, which may help explain why it’s spread so fast, according to Chinese researchers.

    The finding of live virus particles in stool specimens indicates a fecal-oral route for coronavirus, which may be why it’s caused outbreaks on cruise ships with an intensity often seen with gastro-causing norovirus, which also spreads along that pathway. More than 600 Covid-19 infections were confirmed among passengers and crew aboard the Diamond Princess, the ship quarantined for two weeks in Yokohama, Japan.

    “This virus has many routes of transmission, which can partially explain” its rapid spread, the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention said in a report Saturday…

    …“The virus can also be transmitted through the potential fecal-oral route,” the Chinese CDC said. “This means that stool samples may contaminate hands, food, water” and cause infection when the microbes enter the mouth or eyes, or are inhaled, they said.

    Rectal swabs can detect the pneumonia-causing virus in patients even when conventional oral tests are negative, doctors at the Wuhan Pulmonary Hospital in central China said in a study.

    The novel SARS-like coronavirus was found in oral and anal swabs, and blood — indicating that infected patients may shed the pathogen through respiratory, fecal-oral or body fluid routes, the authors said.

    They showed that the current strategy for detecting viral RNA in oral swabs used to diagnose Covid-19 cases “is not perfect,” the researchers said. They noted that patients may harbor the virus in the intestine at the early or late stage of disease, and that a blood test for antibodies against the virus should be considered to better understand patterns of infection…

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:39am

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    Matties

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    Chinese timeline...

    Jennifer Zeng posted this research and which was deleted.

    https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2020/2/26/tracking-the-source-of-novel-coronavirus-gene-sequencing-when-the-alarm-goes-off

    COVIR 19 When the alarm goes off (English) COVIR 19 When the alarm goes off (Chinese) COVIR 19 When the alarm goes off

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:48am

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    vulk

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    Possibly Not Binding with ACE2

    Not sure of the integrity of the South China Morning Post since Alibaba bought it, most of my Corona info has been coming from Adam. SCMP published this article which might be worth looking into some more.

    The new coronavirus has an HIV-like mutation that means its ability to bind with human cells could be up to 1,000 times as strong as the Sars virus, according to new research by scientists in China and Europe.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052495/coronavirus-far-more-likely-sars-bond-human-cells-scientists-say

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:54am

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    Ision

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    Sudden Loss Of Consciousness

    I have observed the first videos of people in China suffering a sudden loss of consciousness at the outset of this SARS-CoV-2 outbreak.  I immediately wanted to learn whether the victims had experienced sudden death at this moment, or were still alive, breathing, unresponsive, and unconscious…and whether these victims later regained consciousness..or died at a later time, never regaining consciousness.

    The many videos of people falling to the ground unresponsive, is in contrast to the videos of people…such as fatigued healthcare workers…suffering syncope, or fainting.

    The difference being easily observed, whereas dropping like a rock, vs, swooning.

    I was most alarmed, but could not confirm if the victims were suffering a symptom of COVID-19, or suffering from another issue, capable of sudden death, or LOC.

    To this day, I have no idea of whether those suffering from the sudden LOC in the Chinese videos, had died on the spot, or not.   But, from the casual manner of the first responders, who were always in NO HURRY to attend the victim…I surmised the sudden LOC I was witnessing was actually sudden death.

    Some of the videos displayed sudden LOC victims lying in a small pool of blood around their heads, which was obviously from the victim.  This could be explained by wounds to the head and face from the unguarded impact with the ground, such lacerations always bleed nicely.   The shape of the blood pool indicated this source, as expectorated blood would create a different pattern.

    I only wish to know if these sudden LOC victims we are seeing are in the process of suffering a swift death, or, instead, lapsing into unconsciousness, or a coma.

    The victims suffer an immediate LOC faster than, and apart from, the 25 most common causes.  I wish I had clinical examinations of these people.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:56am

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    Matties

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    re : Question. Can little plastic veggie bags protect hands?

    I try to answer to the best… I’m not en expert.

    The virus can not enter your body through the skin. But protection which protect you and you can ditch or sterilize is good.

    The main attack is on your body openings. Mouth, nose, eyes, ears and your private parts. But also wounds from scratching or whatever.

    The main thing is not touching your face. With or without plastic covering on your hands.

    This is very difficult for human beings hence next to the mask we will need goggles.

    So whenever you come home wash your hands thoroughly ! Disinfect your plastic outerwear and wash your hands again !

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:57am

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    kunga

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    Dr. Ashe, Pandemic bond

    Both types of bond will not liquidate funds until 12 weeks after a Pandemic has been declared.  I don’t know what agency is in charge of declaring it, but it appears to be being avoided at all costs.  $400,00,000 in the fund, Very big investors involved.  72 countries can apply, so very little to any one country.  It’s basically a financial instrument to make the rich richer, not to help people.  Research on the internet.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:57am

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    George Karpouzis

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    Adam it’s already all over the state

    Just a few more weeks until they start reporting cases like crazy.

    So glad I prepped.

    Thanks to this website I got on the jump real quick

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:02am

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    Ision

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    HIV, like mutation.

    It is not a mutation, but a long-chain, genetic, splice from HIV into the SARS-CoV-2.  It is not a natural mutation, but the result of bio-engineering.  Just as are the other long-chain splices we find in the SARS-CoV-2 virus, all of which improve this virus’ ability to infect people, adopting the traits of other pathogenic virus.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:03am

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    Mr Curious

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    school preps

    chloe, i had the same question. ran into the superintendent of the schools here. he had vaguely heard of ‘the virus’ and is toying with maybe doing some kind of preparation in the hypothetical future. If somebody has a checklist with some straightforward low-budget actionable items that can be done immediately, it would be of interest.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:08am

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    Ision

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    Any plastic can protect...

    The use of ANY blocking substance, such as the plastic wrap in your kitchen, or found used in baggies, can prevent a virus from coming into contact with your skin.  But, like all things related to virus protection and infection prevention, there are many variables.  Generally, anything, which is not part of your  body, placed between your body and the virus…improves your chances of not coming into contact with the virus.  Tin foil.  A stick. etc.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:21am

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    thc0655

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    Dr. Drew effs the facts up even at this late date

    I’m starting a petition to withdraw whatever degree he has, if any.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:23am

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    Hugh

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    Preps

    This was helpful for me.  Your mileage may vary, but it’s late in the game.

    http://bitly.com/WCV-PrepsNow    As we used to say in the military, no plan survives contact with the enemy, but any plan is better than no plan.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:25am

    Reply to #54
    Ision

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    Save us from the idiots! SARS-CoV-2 is Airborne

    Aren’t you all amazed at the  “health professionals” who remain stupid about the current pandemic and the characteristics of the virus?

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:29am

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    isjrb029

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    I am with you Granny.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:35am

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    Ision

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    18 Months For A Vaccine Is Just An Effort to Calm Population

    The last thing a government operative is going to tell you is:  “I’m sorry, but you see…it may not be possible to develop a vaccine for this pathogen at all, due to the advent of ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement).”

    We are still waiting for a SARS (1) vaccine after eight years.  While one can develop a vaccine to cause the immune system to produce targeted antibodies for SARS-CoV-2, the effects of ADE come into play during the FIRST infection of the virus, instead of the second.  All the vaccine did was to allow the virus a better chance to kill you, using the sub/non neutralizing antibodies, which were originally generated by a prior vaccination.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:37am

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    JahFire

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    Internal Conflict

    First of all, I am very appreciative of the information and support this group has given me in the short amount of time I’ve been subscribed. It has opened my eyes to a new reality that I had an understanding of but could not fully grasp. I have begun to move with a much higher sense of urgency in regards to preparing myself and my family for these times ahead… but a new development has arisen that I feel would be best answered in this community.

     

    I work for NIOSH, which is an institute under the CDC umbrella.. I’m very aware of the agency’s piss poor management of this outbreak and I am disgusted at the level of mediocrity these “public health professionals” are demonstrating to the public. However I’ve been recently presented the opportunity to deploy and assist with PUI screening and containment.. Now obviously after seeing the reality of the situation and seeing the data being presented in this circle I have my own reservations and concerns about deploying. With so many unknowns I feel like it may be best to decline the request and spend that time preparing for the impact this outbreak will cause (as I already feel so far behind). There’s also the risk of getting sick myself during deployment due to travel and public interaction… but at the same time  I feel like it is my duty to serve in any way I can if it means I can help the situation. I feel like with the information I’ve learned here maybe I can urge those I am with to move with the same level of urgency when practicing screening and containment strategies.. but I feel like at this point it may all be for nothing. I am an early career scientist with no real teeth in the game. Who would even listen?

     

    Anyway I’m curious to know what you all think.. be blessed.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:43am

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    kunga

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    Uruguay

    U-r-gay 😁 , sorry, a favorite Simpson’s joke.  You are obviously not poor, and you do have a detailed plan, which is good.  I spent two weeks hanging out in Uruguay in Sept. 2009.  I was considering a move there, but not wealthy enough.  I decided to stick out the end of the world in rural US.  Uruguay is a cool country with some problems.  Could use a colony of Amish and some good German engineers.  Technology is like 1960s, but the people are great.

    My pandemic thoughts are, I think travel is not a good idea.  Much more chance of encountering the virus and you might become a non symptomatic spreader.  It does get cold there in winter, those Antarctic storms can be intense.  However, if I were living in Uruguay, I would already have a residence in Salto.  Off the beaten path,clean, agricultural.  Also, great hot springs.  Salto is my vote.  If you were my Mom, I’d move there and live with you. 🐱

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:06am

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    kunga

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    Dog in the manger

    California is one of only three states with working test kits and they are reluctant to use them.  A little whiff of hoarding?   For you younger crowd, an old book of “Aesop’s Fables” will explain my subject line.  😁

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:17am

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    Covid19 image

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:19am

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    Schools

    I was thinking more about the issue that there are already a bunch of kids (and teachers) at my child’s school hacking up a lung (and some with fever as well). I know the chance of any of them having Covid 19 are very small – most likely flu and colds – but we will never know if, and more likely when, some of them do. Why aren’t existing rules about not being at school with a fever or constant cough not being upheld NOW. Because they are not upholding the existing rules and there is no testing we will never know when that redline might be crossed and when I need to pull my kid out of school.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:31am

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    Mike Anderson

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    perhaps not Ecuador

    I’ve been through many cities and towns in Ecuador, and every time I go there I get sick with something that might as well be the flu. The facilities are often nicer than in Peru and Bolivia thanks to oil money and deficit spending, but they are still crowded and often unhygienic compared to what I’ve read about Uruguay. I’ve slept in beds where they don’t change the sheets between guests, they don’t change blankets, everyone packs into taxis and buses, marginally cleaned open air markets, and I wonder about all the people drinking from the same chalice at mass. What you need is better control of your own living quarters and plan to stay there longer.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:33am

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    Can pneumonia vaccine help protect against COVID-19 complications ?

    This is just a semi educated guess, but I would think YES, it would help against BACTERIAL pneumonia.  As bacterial pneumonia is opportunistic, it seems to me the same pneumococcal bacteria that are vaccinated against are going to be first in line to take advantage of an infected host.  Roughly 50% of all pneumonia is bacterial.  HOWEVER, AFAIK there would be NO protection against viral pneumonia.  I cannot find any information out there with regard whether patients are contracting bacterial or viral pneumonia, so this is only a half way answer, time will tell.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:40am

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    Frankly, I think that’s the plan.  Expect a HUGE crop of ersatz “flu and pneumonia” deaths this year.  Anything to get to the November election.  But, it’s going to be hard to hide the ambulances in the neighborhoods.    Will in my opinion be much worse than it needs to be.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:46am

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    bdksu

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    IMO depends on your situation...

    Wife and small kids at home or elderly parents or family that may need support… perhaps consider sitting this one out.  Beyond that – if you are healthy – then it may be an opportunity to go to the front line and really help people and at the same time learn things that you will never be able to get from a text book.  You can be part of changing things for the better in the long run.  Every decision is unique and personal though.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:10am

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    Nairobi

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    Incidence of mortality doubled in each age group

    That chart is pretty interesting Hugh, if you notice that from 30 to 39 and upwards the mortality rate roughly doubled in each group higher. The chart is quite visual without needing to do much special math. So by the time you hit the 80’s age group risk is *2*2*2*2*2=32 times more fatalities than the 30’s age group.

    So being old is dangerous when it comes to Covid19. And since most of us can’t fix our age it means we must focus much more on the variables we can control.

    Like lifestyle issues such as smoking and drinking, isolation, diet, rest, exercise, personal hygiene, environment, public appearances and changes to social behaviors like hand shaking.

    People do not change easily though. Behaviors are very difficult to modify as we all know if we have ever attempted diets as just one example. The survivors will be those who can rapidly  change their behaviors to adapt to this new environment.

    An inability to adapt could be a death sentence for the elderly.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:16am

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    km64

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    another perspective of Trump press conference

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/02/a-biochemists-analysis-of-president-trumps-coronavirus-press-conference/

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:34am

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    Nairobi

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    Voter turnout will plummet this November

    Odds are very good North America will substantially avoid the pandemic this season but by next fall it should return in force. And that means the 2020/2021 flu season will be getting a lot more attention than usual.

    I believe it’s going to gave a very big impact on voters who will be practicing isolation and avoidance by then. Mail in ballots will be more popular than ever but we could be looking at one of the lowest turnouts in US history. It is going to come down to demographics and risk profiles.

    Boomers and their elderly parents will suddenly have less of a voice as many will stay home to avoid catching the Carnivorus Virus. This will definitely affect the outcomes in swing states and could be a determining factor for many candidates. Is it any wonder Trump and others are downplaying the virus risk? The question comes down to who your supporters are and what age group they come from. So we should expect sunny talk from on high to continue right through until election time.

    After November we will have the public crisis.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:34am

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    Vilbas

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    That biochemist is extremely biased and his read of that presser is laughably deferential to the admin. His take is the opposite of almost anyone else who has any concept of how this works. Appreciate varied viewpoints but that guy is hard to take serious.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:38am

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    RE:pneumonia vaccine - and protection

    Yes, This protects against a specific type of bacterial pneumonia, not all. So, since your body is weakened and these bacteria are opportunistic.. You reduce your chance – for one of the specific co-infections possible. But its not a be-all its one 10 or so types of pneumonia.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:43am

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    nordicjack

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    trump and handling this virus

    I am not really a pro-trumper or anti-trumper. But he has said moronic things regarding this. He is probably intelligent but he is not very educated – even from a basic grammar stand-point. ( should tell you a bit about the theory of privilege and private universities ) I think this is his defining hour and – he looks like he will clearly fail. I’d be really surprised if he is re-elected. The problem is for the US is choosing between dumb and dumber.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:45am

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    Insightfull417

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    Santa Clarita residents from Cruise - one just tested positive

    I’ve been following his posts to see how the Coronavirus has affected him… one of his friends who was on the cruise just tested positive 😕

    Third Member Of The ‘Four Amigos’ Tests Positive For Coronavirus: Part 14

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:49am

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    nordicjack

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    4 days to get CDC to even consider covid test for victim

    Again, we have said that the US is not doing surveillance for the virus and not testing – They will not even consider someone a potential victim if they have not traveled to china or had close contact with a known confirmed case. So, anyone that has gotten infected for leaked exposure contact – wont even get tested. With the recent CA case the hospital had to plead with the CDC for 4 days while a guy on a vent was suffering for a diagnosis.. But we know this would be happening – there are no words that it takes a guy on vent on the 19th with drs suspected covid.. and taking 10 days to get a diagnoses.. its just beyond words.. People should go to jail on this one – They shoudl have minimally told us its here but we wont test – please be careful this spreads by touch , coughs , common contact surfaces.. etc.. and use proper hygiene etc . and sorry we are not going to test.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:52am

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    Re - Incidence of Mortality Doubled In Each Age Group

    “People do not change easily though. Behaviors are very difficult to modify as we all know if we have ever attempted diets as just one example. The survivors will be those who can rapidly  change their behaviors to adapt to this new environment.”

    One of the reasons I am so upset by the official narrative is because I take a class with several elderly people.  (70’s) They are smart, caring, artistic people.  I like them immensely. However, they believe that the virus is “like the flu” just listen to the people in the know.  They have not changed their behavior in any way and I know if they get the virus they might not survive.  They get their information from official sources and it could cost them their lives.  We each get to choose where we get our information.  Sad state of affairs.

    Thanks for posting stats Nairobi.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:53am

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    Matties

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    Vitamine D, the most underestimated virus fighter

    One big reason for the onslaught in older people may be there Vitamine D deficiency.

    Vitamine D deficiency in US and China among older

    Although the blood levels are important this is not the end of the story.

    According Bruce W. Hollis, PhD, Medical University of South Carolina it is absolutely important to take vitamine D everyday because your tissue will absorp it without converting first to 25(OH)D.

    There it has tremendous effect by switching genes on and of thereby profoundly changing the health of your cells.

    Dr. Gundry from Plant Paradox advises everyday supplementing with vitamine D.

    In case you feel a virus infection upcoming you should increase the dose ten fold (example normally you would take 100 micrograms = 4000 IU, raise it to 1000 micrograms or 40000 IU)

    see also Pawch : https://www.peakprosperity.com/the-coronavirus-is-swiftly-breaching-defenses-across-the-world/#comment-358861

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:56am

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    Dutch Boomer

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    Dutch TV information program

    Dutch minister of health

    — this is like the flu, do not worry and keep distance from ppl who are sick

    is it a-symptomatic ?

    — no, you can only get it from sick ppl

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:56am

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    Vitamin D - excellent info Matties

    I take it every day already.. though I may up my dose : )

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:58am

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    nordicjack

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    RE: Internal conflict.

    There should be none what soever. You should have a set of values long ago that guide your behaviors. For me its very simple. You are in the position to make a difference. You should want to. Do not sell yourself out on your beliefs or knowledge. Find the way to use what you do and what you know – to manage this situation the best you can. You need to be assertive with others in your organization. And make them do the right thing .. you need to stand strong – you will get resistance. Do not succumb.. people lives are at stake. People are not dumb and do not need to coddled , regardless what superiors may say.. BE an F,n man – and sleep well in the end.. and you will die in peace.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 12:07pm

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    Nacho_avg_Joe

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    Hearing CDC is testing 4000 people today

    Steve Bannon said that on his WarRoom Pandemic podcast, but I cannot find the source.  If true, when the results come in that’s when the “localized outbreaks” will begin and the stock market takes another leg down.  I think many of us suspect they’ve already started.  Can anyone else confirm the 4000 Bannon talked about?  It’s not on the CDC website.

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 12:08pm

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    zimmyj

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    CT Provides Best Diagnosis for COVID-19 Study from China shows chest CT demonstrates better sensitivity than RT-PCR technique

    February 26, 2020

    https://www.rsna.org/en/news/2020/February/COVID-19-CT-Diagnosis-Study

    In a study of more than 1,000 patients published in Radiology, chest CT outperformed lab testing in the diagnosis of 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19). Researchers at Tongji Hospital in Wuhan, China, concluded that CT should be used as the primary screening tool for COVID-19.

    In the absence of specific therapeutic drugs or vaccines for COVID-19, it is essential to detect the disease at an early stage and immediately isolate an infected patient from the healthy population.

    According to the latest guidelines published by the Chinese government, the diagnosis of COVID-19 must be confirmed by reverse-transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) or gene sequencing for respiratory or blood specimens, as the key indicator for hospitalization. However, with limitations of sample collection and transportation, as well as kit performance, the total positive rate of RT-PCR for throat swab samples has been reported to be about 30% to 60% at initial presentation.

    In the current public health emergency, the low sensitivity of RT-PCR implies that a large number of COVID-19 patients won’t be identified quickly and may not receive appropriate treatment. In addition, given the highly contagious nature of the virus, they carry a risk of infecting a larger population.

    “Early diagnosis of COVID-19 is crucial for disease treatment and control. Compared to RT-PCR, chest CT imaging may be a more reliable, practical and rapid method to diagnose and assess COVID-19, especially in the epidemic area,” the authors wrote.

    Recent research found that the sensitivity of CT for COVID-19 infection was 98% compared to RT-PCR sensitivity of 71%.

    For the current study, researchers set out to investigate the diagnostic value and consistency of chest CT imaging in comparison to RT-PCR assay in COVID-19.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 12:24pm

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    Dutch Boomer

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    First confirmed in Holland

    Just announced… Man from Tilburg

    Hey Desogames, that is your city !!

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 12:44pm

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    Matties

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    Re : First confirmed in Holland

    Well, with the past festivities in the south of Holland, combined with the cold weather and wind, driving everybody to the warm cozy bars, an explosion of cases over about two weeks is to be expected.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 12:48pm

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    nordicjack

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    regarding CT scan for diagnosis

    Yes, I do believe that CT scans are more beneficial for diagnosis, and a clinician once experienced with the characteristics of the disease should be easily able( and allowed) to make the diagnosis ( confirmed ) without a prc test. (However, this process would exclude diagnosis of those in early phase or with mild disease. )

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 12:59pm

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    Dutch Boomer

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    Festivities

    The carnival is pityful compared with the 70 and 80 ies. Since half the population here smokes pot, snoares coka and pops X, they are all sick all day all year anyway. The government sees no danger, maybe they are already calculating the effect on the pensionproblems. Until then, carpe diem, at home of course.

     

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 12:59pm

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    Nairobi

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    Thanks Granny Grit

    I appreciate your kind comment. It’s funny but I was just thinking a few moments ago that we don’t really communicate much with each other on this board. It’s not like we are talking to each other a lot of the time so much as talking at each other.

    And just then I saw you answered me.

    Halleluja…we are a community after all. Lol!

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 12:59pm

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    ariantes22

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    About Vitamin D

    While some nutrients (vitamins A & D, Zinc, Copper, and some specific fatty acids) are especially important for your immune system, substituting them really only helps when you already have all the other bases covered. A good nutrient density is more important then substituting specific vitamins. I suggest using one of those supplements that contain 50 or 70 different nutrients once every few days.  Its like those supply chains: adding some more lubricants to your engine doesn’t help if the engine is already missing parts.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 1:08pm

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    George Karpouzis

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    Another market beat down -1200 on the Dow

    Knowing what we know, looks like Wall Street took notice. By the time this has spread through US cities expect the dow to be under 20k. Hard times a comin

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 1:32pm

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    "Officially" a correction

    Now down 11% since last Friday.  The market hates uncertainty and it looks like it’s trying to price in the economic impact.  My chart study says there’s potential hard support around 22,500, but I’m skeptical that it will hit that and stay there long.

    Cash is a good position to be in now.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 1:49pm

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    Geedard

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    Has PP member DESOGAMES contracted Covid-19???

    Earlier today, new PP member Desogames suspected that he had contracted Covid-19. In several colourfully written posts, he described that he lives in Tilburg in the Netherlands and then continued to describe his concerns about how Dutch authorities were refusing to test him despite his reports and protestations…see post #36 in this thread and several other later posts…   And then there was silence…

    Perhaps coincidentally, I have just seen this news report in DutchNews.nl …

    If this news report is not you Desogames – please could you post a message and tell us how you are feeling … thanks.

    Tilburg man has coronavirus, health minister confirms

    February 27, 2020

    The Netherlands has its first case of coronavirus – a man from Tilburg who had recently spent time in Lombardy in Italy – health minister Bruno Bruins has confirmed.The man, said to be around the age of 50, has been placed in quarantine at the Elisabeth TweeSteden Ziekenhuis in Tilburg and health officials have begun trying to trace his contacts, officials said.‘The person had symptoms and was hospitalised and tested,’ the public health institute RIVM said. All identified contacts will be monitored to halt the spread of the disease.This involves taking their temperature twice a day and reporting it to the local health board. They must also report any other symptoms. ‘These measures will help reduce the risk of the disease spreading in the Netherlands, the RIVM said.Officials are also trying to find out if the man had celebrated Carnaval, which is popular in the south of the country.Earlier on Thursday it emerged that three more cases of coronavirus had been reported in Germany just over the Dutch border at Sittard. They may have caught the disease from another German Carnaval goer who had been in Italy.Half termDozens of Dutch nationals are also in quarantine in Italy and in Tenerife where they had been holidaying during the winter half-term.And according to the Volkskrant, a Yemeni asylum seeker was held at Schiphol’s detention centre for several days because he had most recently been in one of the worst affected areas in China, where the disease originated.People who are worried about their own or other people’s health are being urged to check out the website of the public health institute RIVM which has information in Dutch and in English.SymptomsThe World Health Organisations says common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties.The WHO’s standard recommendations to prevent infection spread include regular hand washing, covering the mouth and nose when coughing and sneezing and thoroughly cooking meat and eggs.People should also avoid close contact with anyone showing symptoms of respiratory illness such as coughing and sneezing, the world health agency said.FearsVirology professor Eric Snijder told RTL Nieuws on Thursday that healthy people have nothing to fear from the disease.Some 80% of victims develop mild symptoms and only a small proportion of the total number of people who are infected will die. They are likely to be elderly or already be suffering from health problems.‘If I compare it with a real killer virus like ebola, then the chance of survival is very small, he said. ‘But the coronavirus is the opposite.’

    Read more at DutchNews.nl:

    SOURCE: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/02/tilburg-man-has-coronavirus-health-minister-confirms/

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 1:58pm

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    Desogames

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    Yep my city

    Except that the first case went to Lombardy directly so he got tested.

    I tried my best but they *did not test me*. Also, if i got it, i got it *for sure* 10 days ago right here in the Netherlands.

    I’ll call again tomorrow see if they’re more happy to test now.

    And as i’ve kept screaming at them: I DONT KNOW IF I HAVE IT!

    I DONT CARE IF I HAVE IT! because if i do i’m clearly a mild case. I’ll be fine! I am not worried!

    I JUST DONT WANNA KILL PEOPLE CAUSE IM POSSIBLY A WALKING BIOWEAPON. And all i ask, to be sure, is to get tested. ISNT THAT WHAT THE FUCKING TESTS ARE FOR?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

    God i hate humans. Anyway.

    As for silver being “worse” then gold, it is. When you look at it from a monetary perspective, give anybody the choice to own silver or gold and they will pick gold. It also has far more potential to the upside because everybody piled into gold before they pick silver – the gold/silver ratio has barely ever been this high. I also own about 1/3rd of gold to 2/3rds of silver; so don’t think i’m not aware.

    It’s just that gold has a longer history of higher demand. Silver is still money. Gold just more so.

    EDIT: Just to re-iterate: It is POLICY that they ONLY test people who have been abroad THEMSELVES. I have not been abroad. I have not had obvious contact with infected people. I will not be tested. The silence cause i went to bed. It’s really hard to measure exhaustion as a symptom after you’ve been screaming at people for days and they won’t listen (which is why i didn’t report exhaustion 3 days ago when i started getting it, i thought it was because of the above).

    EDIT2: OH just so it’s mentioned somewhere, I’m fine with Chris mentioning/describing all this and using my name/nickname. I’ve worked as a streamer for a year so i can handle attention/the camera just fine and my anonymity is shot anyway :D. I still have a channel (and am affiliate on twitch) though i haven’t streamed much since this whole virus story began. I just found it more important to read up/keep track of the virus and spend all my time there just in case. How futile.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:07pm

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    Geedard

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    Thanks for responding

    Yep my city

    Except that the first case went to Lombardy directly so he got tested.

    Thanks for responding Desogames – maybe tomorrow you’ll have better luck being tested. Good luck and fingers crossed.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:22pm

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    Geedard

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    Switzerland - sixth case confirmed this evening - testing capability beefed up to 1'000 cases per day

    Swiss authorities reported a sixth case this evening – a 30 year old woman who visited Milan 1 week ago. Earlier today, the fifth case was confirmed, a 26 year old man who stayed in Verona (N. Italy) also 1 week ago.

    In strong contrast to USA, Swiss authorities also reported that they have tested 500 people already so far and beefed up its testing from 1 laboratory in Geneva, to 10 laboratories around the country with a capability of testing up to 1’000 cases per day.

    SOURCE: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/covid-19_switzerland-confirms-second-coronavirus-case/45582788

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:28pm

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    BiPAP machine and Oxygen Concentrator for home treatment of pneumonia

    Geedard and several others asked for my input on whether home oxygen and a CPAP, or better yet, a BiPAP machine (used for obstructive sleep apnea) ,would be helpful for home treatment for pneumonia.

    I just don’t know if it would be helpful enough to warrant the cost.

    It makes sense that an oxygen concentrator could help a mild pneumonia case get by at home.  They do require a doctor’s prescription when purchased from a DME vendor, but craigslist in my area had them for sale from a couple of private parties (where no prescription was needed for an off-the-books cash transaction).   Cost on Craigslist about $2,000.

    And, we do give TEMPORARY BiPAP breathing support to people who are tiring from increase work of breathing from pneumonia, COPD or asthma in the emergency department.  Usually, BiPAP is only done for several hours while we see if they are going to improve.  If they don’t improve in a few hours, they require intubation and a ventilator.  So possibly a home BiPAP treatment could help a borderline case.  Cost $1,200 or so.  Getting insurance to pay for a BiPAP machine is quite a hassle and requires an overnight sleep study to document sleep apnea, then a doctors prescription and an insurance card that covers durable medical equipment (DME) –and many don’t.

    If I had lots of extra cash, I’d get one of each.   But I have spent too much prepping already and probably won’t get either.  🙁

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:32pm

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    just a suggestion of the obvious

    Perhaps if rather than screaming and swearing, you tried talking to them calmly and in a friendly manner, they’d be more responsive.  Try it.  The results may surprise you.  Put yourself in their shoes.  How do you think they feel about you when you’re screaming and swearing and ranting and raving?

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:34pm

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    LuAnn

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    Sorry, but no. Binge watch Dr. Campbell. https://youtu.be/TpXoY_1EG8Y

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:37pm

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    LuAnn

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    cold water

    Like a splash of cold water. Why I get sucked into their gaslighting at all any more is a weakness I need to address. Thanks for the “virtual” slap and “Snap out of it!”

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:45pm

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    ao

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    had an interesting conversation regarding masks

    It seems that the person I was talking to today has a daughter who works for Grainger.  Grainger is a source of industrial supplies and safety products including a whole line of masks.  They have been getting in some big orders, especially from the Chinese.  One order, for example, was for $35,000 worth of masks.  The problem is, they won’t be able to fulfill these orders for quite some time, probably months.  His daughter can watch them typing in the orders in Chinese and then auto-translating the orders to English before they’re sent.  The Chinese are desperate to obtain these supplies but obviously aren’t having much luck.

    In other news, I regularly get e-mails advertising cruises from Princess since we’re platinum level customers.  There are some incredible bargains being offered for last minute bookings on cruises.  They’re obviously desperate to fill these ships.

    Despite the uptick in business, Grainger’s stock price is falling but Carnival Corporation (the parent company of Princess) is plunging even more.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:53pm

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    Sparky1

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    Feds to allow up to 40 state public health labs to test for COVID-19 this week

    Feds to allow state public health labs to test for COVID-19

    “As many as 40 state public health labs could begin testing for the COVID-19 virus using parts of the test developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as early as this week, according to the Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL).
    “As of now: @CDCgov & @US_FDA developed a new protocol using 2 of 3 components of original test kit. Many public health labs are able to use the original kit w/out problem component to begin testing as soon as this week,” APHL said on its Twitter feed.As many as 40 state public health labs could begin testing for the COVID-19 virus using parts of the test developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as early as this week, according to the Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL).”

    “As of now: @CDCgov & @US_FDA developed a new protocol using 2 of 3 components of original test kit. Many public health labs are able to use the original kit w/out problem component to begin testing as soon as this week,” APHL said on its Twitter feed.”

     

    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/feds-allow-state-public-health-labs-test-covid-19

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:56pm

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    Desogames

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    Oh brilliant idea.

    Yeah i’ve never ever tried being calm and reasonable before. Then my dad says “They’re asians so they don’t matter”. And i know he’s not a racist. He’s just going into immediate denial.

    I always start off calm and reasonable. I always present alot of logical, reasonable arguements. i EVEN mention i have autism on a regular basis because i know i can be really good at hiding it in real life. I know how much problem people have remembering disabilities when they cannot see them.

    Here’s what i did: I called the doctors office. i told the assistant very clearly and concise: I’ve been in contact with somebody exhibiting symptoms 10 days ago. I first started showing symptoms 7 days after contact with fatigue. Then i develeoped a dry cough a day later and this night i’ve had a fever which has since subsided. I also have muscle pains and a sore throat. I’m matching alot of symptoms of Covid and i appreciate you must be getting that alot right now, but i promise you i’m not a hypochondriac.

    She said “ok do you have a fever now?” “no it has subsided” “have you been abroad?” “no i have not been abroad”. “Ok well it is policy right now that we only test people who have been abroad”.

    You have to understand. The RIVM Guidelines she is working off quite LITERALLY state “If you haven’t been abroad the chances of contracting Covid19 are Nil”.

    So then logic arguements and reasoning come. “But what about people who’ve come here from wuhan and infected somebody else since?” “i’m sorry sir we follow policy”.

    Then the appeal to emotions. “But i match alot of the symptoms and the person i worked with works with alot of handicapped people (of which i am one). Do you think it’s right to run that risk to save a test?” “i’m sorry sir it’s policy”.

    So then you throw in anger “Well alright BUT if I infect MY PARENTS because of YOUR POLICY what am i supposed to do?! Watch my parents die because of your policy?!” So then you get the obvious “Sir, we don’t talk to each other that way. That is not how we interact and you need to calm down”.

    So then you end with understanding “I know and i am calm, and i know your hands are bound by policy, but i just don’t think it’s right that we are risking lives to save tests”.

    THATS when she broke down (cause ofcourse she would you think this is my first fucking rodeo in this country?) and went “You know what sir how about i have a doctor call you back?” My IMMEDIATE response: “Alright thank you very much” “have a good day” “you too!”.

    THAT is what i *had to do* to get through the ASSISTANT. I had the very same conversation and interaction in the same pattern with the doctor; but again she was bound by the guidelines. If she breaks the rules, it comes back to haunt her if the test is negative.

    But because i got angry and understanding with her; i got another phone number. But it was for a helpdesk who obviously didn’t know anything. “we are told to direct people to the site” “site says call your house doctor” “well there’s nothing more we can do”.

    We are not free. We are ruled by the same social guidelines as the communists in China. Except we don’t need censors. We police each other.

    Like how you keep focusing on extremely obvious things to avoid bringing up any real data or arguments to counter mine. Out of everything i said; the symptoms, what was happening, all you focused on was “well he’s screaming that must be the issue”.

    We all get the government we deserve.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:01pm

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    nordicjack

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    stocks got hammered even worse today

    WOW, we are finally really going the direction they should be going. lol

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:05pm

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    Sparky1

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    California Gov. Newsom, officials response to Covid-2019 (2/27/20)

    California State Gov. Newsom and state health officials 2/27/20 press conference on state’s response to novel coronavirus.

    Note: press conference starts at about 31 minutes.

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1lPKqVjormwGb

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:09pm

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    Geedard

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    Thanks sand_puppy

    Thanks for taking the time to reply sand_puppy – much appreciated 🙂

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:10pm

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    Sparky1

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    Cities and states hold most of the power to act during an outbreak.

    If the coronavirus hits America, who’s responsible for protecting you?

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/2/26/21145664/coronavirus-update-in-us-cdc-reponse-outbreak-prepare

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:17pm

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    Sparky1

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    NYC Mayor de Blasio 2/26/20 press conference re: Covid-2019

    NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio and health officials in 2/26/20 press conference concerning new coronavirus outbreak.

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1eaKbQZRDloxX

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:21pm

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    Time2help

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    Good News

    Israeli scientists: ‘In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine’ (Jerusalem Post)

    “In preclinical trials, the team demonstrated that the oral vaccination induces high levels of specific anti-IBV antibodies, Katz said.

    “Let’s call it pure luck,” he said. “We decided to choose coronavirus as a model for our system just as a proof of concept for our technology.”

    But after scientists sequenced the DNA of the novel coronavirus causing the current worldwide outbreak, the MIGAL researchers examined it and found that the poultry coronavirus has high genetic similarity to the human one, and that it uses the same infection mechanism, which increases the likelihood of achieving an effective human vaccine in a very short period of time, Katz said.

    “All we need to do is adjust the system to the new sequence,” he said. “We are in the middle of this process, and hopefully in a few weeks we will have the vaccine in our hands. Yes, in a few weeks, if it all works, we would have a vaccine to prevent coronavirus.””

    So…who’s first?

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:27pm

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    Sparky1

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    How to wash your hands (video)

    Nice video with a cute kid, but I thought you are supposed to do this twice (wet, lather, scrub, rinse, repeat), then exit bathroom w/paper towel to open door. Good to share with family members.

    https://youtu.be/x3QUtQQp8W4

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:29pm

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    nordicjack

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    all meaningless - for all those who say they have a vaccine

    Heck i can give you a vaccine too. The tech to make one is not all that hard. I could get you a vaccine in a weekend. However, is it safe – does it work? I am not lining up for this one. I wouldnt get on board with a new vaccine unless i knew the disease was like 50% fatal and knocking at my door. I think the knocking part will be soon.. I dont think its 50% yet.. maybe second, third wave.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:37pm

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    Sparky1

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    Chris' newest video: "From Bad to Worse" (2/27/20)

    Coronavirus Situation Is Quickly Going From Bad To Worse.

    https://youtu.be/kr1AkRtIHX4

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:38pm

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    Nairobi

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    Restricted supplies have been requisitioned

    Funny you mentioned Grainger, ao.

    I called them today by coincidence to order N95 masks and was told by the clerk that all emergency protective gear like N95 and N100 masks have been requisitioned in Canada by Health Authorities due to a problem with critical shortages. Those personal protection goods have gone onto Graingers restricted list and cannot be purchased unless you have authority in writing or are an authorized person (I didn’t ask her what authority). These masks are no longer available to ordinary consumers though.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:40pm

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    Desogames

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    New video/small update

    Meanwhile; best i can do is keep you guys up to date bout how i’m feeling. Again i don’t know if i have it, i can’t get tested, i’ll try again tomorrow. So keep that in mind. Meanwhile i’ll treat it as a mild case of covid; maybe it gives us some insight and we can always forget this and follow the official studies once those come out 2 months from now. Again, i only want more data, we’ll sift through it all and see where we end up.

    Meanwhile i’m getting hot flashes. I was just sitting back watching chris’s new video when i start to sweat. It’s still 20C in my room. I managed to get a back of the throat infrared measurement of 37,9C, but i wasn’t fast enough in making a picture since my phone was on the charger. I tried measuring it again only 10 seconds later, can’t get it above 37c.

    I stuck a rectal thermometer up my ass not even a minute after, 37.0C.

    I know enough about physics that i *cannot* measure a temperature in the back of my throat of 37.9C if my body doesn’t at least generate 37,9C of heat. In other words; if my body’s really 37C, then my throat should measure 37C or below; it can’t possibly measure an entire degree higher.

    My head still feels hot. It feels like it’s “under the skin”. But if i measure my forehead right now it’s 36,2c. That fits with the fluctuations between 36c and 36,5c i’ve been having for a day now.

    They say you have to have a fever to have this thing but i seriously doubt that. The worldometers site mentions that in the Cheng et al study, only 83% people had a fever.

    What if the symptoms are intermittant and that’s why people keep slipping through quarantines? Because the chest pain i had earlier in the evening is gone at the moment. If it wasn’t for my head feeling like it’s filled with fog (but my thinking isn’t impeded at the moment though it was yesterday) as well as just a little paranoia at this point (i feel i’m entitled to just a smidge) i’d think i was fine. Probably just didn’t sleep enough.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:50pm

    #101
    KeithMWebb

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    A SOLUTION FOR A LOOMING SHORTAGE OF SANITIZER?

    Today received an Eco One electrolyzer from Ecolox Tech.

    I bought this device to prevent mold in a sailboat. I strongly suspect that it will also be useful for Covid-19. It has been tested on Avian flu, regular flu, Norovirus, Listeria, Salmonella, Staphylocoous, MRSA ect… However, it has not yet been tested on any Corona virus.

    What you do is pour in some water into a jug, add some, non-iodized salt and some vinegar (optional) and turn on the device on for eight minutes to generate a solution of Hypochlorous acid (HOCL) at a concentration of 100-200 parts per million.

    This HOCL solution is much less toxic and more effective at killing micro organisms than bleach. You can make gallons of your own disinfecting solution. I also bought a fine spray mister to make it go further.

    For more info go to:
    https://www.ecoloxtech.com/pdf/eco%20one%20brochure.pdf

    For info on a rival home system that requires the ongoing purchase of special capsules go to: https://www.forceofnatureclean.com/

    I copied the following info from a site that sells similar electrolyzed systems for hospitals and large industrial applications:

    “The Beauty of HOCL
    Simply take salt, water, and electricity and make HOCL. HOCL is produced when required to kill harmful microorganisms at the same concentration and at the same pH range as HOCl produced by the human body. HOCL is made on site on demand and replaces harmful and dangerous chemicals. HOCl is many times more effective at killing harmful pathogens than hypochlorite, the major constituent of bleach (5). The  electrochemical process generates HOCl at near neutral pH using patented technology which generates the solution at the optimum pH to generate the maximum levels of hypochlorous acid.

    Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) solution is one of the chlorine byproducts obtained by dissolving chlorine in water. The virucidal ability of solutions containing a high amount of HOCl is better than those containing HCl−, because the virucidal ability of HOCl is 120 times higher than that of HCl−. Furthermore, the level of free available chlorine in chlorine-based compounds (often called HOCl) is highest in pH 5 solutions.

    Based on in vitro studies, the antimicrobial activity of HOCl appears to be comparable to other antiseptics but without cytotoxicity; there is more clinical evidence about its safety and effectiveness.”

    For more info go to: https://aquaox.wordpress.com/category/hypochlorous-acid-sodium-hypochlorite-and-chlorine/

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:53pm

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    thejacksonteam

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    vitamin protocol

    Does anyone have (or can direct me to) a vitamin protocol? Vit C/D3/k2/etc

     

    Much appreciated

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 3:56pm

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    mav12

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    This is great & helpful information, but does one do if blood pressure is already low ? The drugs are out of use.  For people with low BP, there is no way out ?

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:01pm

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    Desogames

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    SON OF A BITCH

    I’m sorry this is just frustration venting.

    I tried recording a video of the temperature changes, i got up to 38,3C JUST NOW. BUT it goes up and then down. It went from 37,5C to 38,3C for 5 minutes back down to 37C. And i thought i had it on tape but FREAKING LOGITECH CRASHES.

    But i will persist; ima get this bitch on video no matter the cost

    EDIT: Yep down around 36 to 36,5C. Can’t get higher then that at the back of my throat. If there’s anything that stands out it’s how unstable my temperature is – it continually fluctuates.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:15pm

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    TWA

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    Tell me this virus isn't bio-engineered....

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052495/coronavirus-far-more-likely-sars-bond-human-cells-scientists-say – the Wuhan facility cobbled together all of the deadliest parts of other virals before setting it free. It ain’t a mutation but a frankenstein.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:19pm

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    Desogames

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    Oh; and final market update for the day

    Since everything is closed and the carnage is over, i want to point out that at the start of the thread i gave a perfect sell signal and warned there would be massive selling.

    Well the day ended with the VIX up 42%, the down down 1109 points with similar losses for the nasdaq and S&P. Though precious metals are taking their sweet time; i’ve also given an explanation as to why that might be happening. Though volume was lower on a wensday; i guess people still had some hope.

    I’ve also shown before that precious metals went down in the crash of 2008, too, before a meteoric rise later.

    Regardless. As far as markets go, that doesn’t matter now. What matters next is all the big investors which just went bust today and what that means going forward (hint: means alot of pain). This was gonna happen anyway, Covid just accelerated the timeline much to Trump’s dismay. Even worse; ya still can’t print away the virus ontop of the central bank already having used it’s money bazooka to the point of diminishing returns.

    My advice remains the same as it was friday 2 weeks ago: Get the hell out of the market until the dust settles.

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:20pm

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    Sparky1

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    Chris, Adam: What is alt plan if PP on social media or main site go dark?

    Hi Chris and Adam, Given that now all federal info re: the coronavirus needs to be reviewed and approved by Pence & Co. Covid-2019 Task Force, I expect we may see more stringent efforts to restrict and silence “non-approved” (i.e., alternative, truthful)  messages and messengers. CDC recently met with Google, FB, Twitter, and other social media execs to strategize how to combat the coronavirus “Infodemic”.  I’m still concerned that PP could “go dark” on social media and even on your main proprietary site. If so, what is your plan to preserve existing/archived content and keep the PP tribe connected to you and each other?

    Thank you again for all you do to keep us informed, alert and safe.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:24pm

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    davez

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    Spreadsheet Update

    Here’s an updated version of my COVID-19 spreadsheet with charts. The sheet now updates automatically daily with John Hopkin’s data. This chart allows you to graph data from individual locations.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FXVgNrTbECcO8X4-hFXhJuqgE5sl-7ddU-IO2ciXCdU/edit#gid=275720644

    And here is an updated video describing its use.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:25pm

    #108

    dtrammel

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    A Critical Reminder For Those Who Have Prepared

    Check your smoke alarms and replace the battery. Buy a fire extinguisher or two. Be a total b!tch to have all the supplies you picked up recently, go up in an accidental stove fire or some such. Remember to watch out for all the other things that can get you too.

    Ohh, drive like other people want to run into you too.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:26pm

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    Sparky1

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    "Thumbs-up" not working?

    I noticed that lately the “thumbs-up” vote button haven’t been working. Is this only on my end or is it a recent glitch in the system? Hopefully, only temporary.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:28pm

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    blackeagle

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    Alt plan

    Not a good strategic move to publish plan B before its time to roll-out…

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:42pm

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    Geedard

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    Geneva International Motor Show - 5-15 March - 750'000 visitors normally

    https://www.gims.swiss/practical-infos

    So far anyway, with 1 week remaining, the Geneva International Motor Show is still green for go.        750’000.- attendees normally each year.       To put that into perspective – the entire population of Geneva is circa 495’000.-

    If it goes ahead, who will dare to attend it this year?    Where will they come from?    And where will they return to?              Oooooh dear.   Sounds a lot like a super spreader occasion to me and also probably a massive bust for Geneva too.   Ouch.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:47pm

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    Sparky1

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    "Plan B", I agree. :-)

    LoL, blackeagle, very true.  I thought of that the minute I posted my question.  I would just be satisfied to know that there is, in fact, a Plan B. I would assume so, but I would feel better if they could confirm that.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 4:58pm

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    Desogames

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    I DID IT!

    YES i felt a hot flash coming up and i managed to record the effect on video! I’ll post it in the forums cause it’ll just fall to the wayside underneath these videos.

    At least now i won’t look like a fool tomorrow at the doctors.

    EDIT: well the forum ratelimited me. How awesome. I’ll post it here then.
    AGAIN I AM UNCONFIRMED CAUSE I COULDN”T GET A TEST! i MIGHT not have Covid. But whatever i do have, is causing hot flashes, and the rest of the symptoms match. My most telling symptom: I >Don’t< have a runny nose. If it was a cold or the flu, i should be sniffling my heart out cause that *always* happens. my nose is clear as day atm. So don’t judge me if i finally get a test and it comes back negative. I wish the government was more pro-active, quarantined me and started using me as a guinea pig to accurately track a mild case.

    covid symptoms

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:00pm

    #112
    OreganoEO

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    This might help

    Oregano oil vs gram positive/negative bacteria

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4876125

    Oregano oil vs virus

    https://sfamjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/jam.12453

    Also take a look at his blog

    https://www.drbrownstein.com/flu-shot-will-increase-your-risk-of-coronavirus!/

     

    Where are the flu vaccines or other vaccines made? China?

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:11pm

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    mntnhousepermi

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    Answer re: low blood pressure

    I have low blood pressure normally, sometimes it falls too low and I have almost fainted.  Salt, salt is great to make sure it doesnt get too low.  I have just taken a 1/4t of salt off a spoon many times.  My doctor said that was better and less side effects than the prescription drug

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:19pm

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    OreganoEO

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    Try sea salt

    Sea salt or unrefined salt

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:51pm

    #113
    Geedard

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    Wow - I'm speechless - Gerry Harvey speaks, Exec Chairman of Harvey Norman, Sydney Australia

    Gerry Harvey just spoke on CNBC and I’m speechless.   How disconnected is it possible for a business person to be?   I think I must live on a different plant to him.

    So I shall quote what he said regarding the coronavirus media coverage generally:   GERRY HARVEY: “(the media should) stick to the facts. Don’t get too over-excited about it and the end of the world’s coming, when the end of the world’s probably not coming. Now if we do get to the stage where 1 million people in Australia have got this virus and 100’000 die or something, we’ve still got 24 million people left and so it’s not the end of the world.”        CNBC INTERVIEWER:   awkward silence….

    With this attitude, I think I’m very happy not to work for Gerry Harvey or to shop in any of his stores…  Jeeeeeeeeeeezus

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:05pm

    #114
    ao

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    mainstream media take on the corona virus

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/americans-prepare-coronavirus-spreads/story?id=69186419&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

    As is typical for the MSM, this article is dumbed down, inane, and next to useless.  So what else is new.  For many years now, I’ve recognized the primary value of the MSM is as a guide to do largely the opposite of whatever it is they are telling to do, think, believe, etc.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:10pm

    #115
    asgordon123

    asgordon123

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    YOUR CAT CAN KILL YOU...

    ACCORDING TO BLOOMBERG….

    Dog Found to Have ‘Low Level’ of Coronavirus in Hong Kong

    houston we have a very big problem.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:10pm

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    westcoastjan

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    Possible new Canada case

    Montreal has first ‘probable’ case of COVID-19: Quebec health minister

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:15pm

    #117

    sand_puppy

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    My perspective and recommendation on symptom control during a febrile illness

    My background

    I am a traditionally trained osteopathic physician board certified in emergency medicine and have practiced in the ED for most of my 38 years if practice.  But I have a strong  alternative/anti-orthodoxy personality, philosophy with some experience in functional medicine.

    My observations

    What I observed was that my “natural” friends and patients often go through a lot of physical suffering, anxiety and have more complicated illness courses.  Flu-like illnesses with uncontrolled cytokine storm symptoms are much more of an ordeal.  More trips to the doctor and emergency department for evaluation of the plethora of symptoms that are common from the cytokine storm.  There is often a sense of fear.  “Something is really wrong with me.”

    Throbbing headache, light sensitivity, sound sensitivity, hot feeling on eyeballs, pain with eye movements, “burning up” forehead, painful throat, can’t swallow, discomfort in neck muscles (“I think I have throat cancer”), can’t move my neck, chest pain (“my dad died of a thoracic aneurysm and I think I have one too”), spine pain (“How do you know it isn’t a disc infection”), pelvic pain, burning in the urethra with urination, knee and joint pains, muscle pains, “he can’t walk,”  etc. etc etc.   “My temperature keeps shooting up and up!”  “My brain is exploding like an aneurysm.” “I am sweating and soaking my bed.”  “I shiver and nothing can get me warm.”  “His neck is stiff and he is lethargic!”  All of these are the cytokine symptoms of the flu-like illnesses.   Yet, theses same symptoms overlap with other more serious conditions scaring educated people.

    Such patients are hard to reassure–they feel like they are dying and that the doctor who says “this isn’t serious” must be missing something.  “How can you be certain it is not meningitis–he has all the signs.”  “I know my body.  Something is wrong.”

    So you order a CT scan, blood work, a lumbar puncture or aspirate the painful joint.

    Countless invasive and expensive tests are done to investigate these frightening and intense complaints — almost all of which would disappear with a single dose of ibuprofen and a couple of liters of fluids (by mouth or IV).

    Complications of illness

    “I can’t eat. I’m getting malnourished.  How can I get well without nourishment?”  “I am too sick to drink fluids and am dehydrated. I see spots when I stand up.”  “I can’t sleep due to pain everywhere.  I’ll never get well without some sleep.”  Mom says:  “He can’t swallow and hasn’t had a drop to drink in 3 days and now he collapsed in the shower!”

    My personal conclusions

    It is my impression that going the “natural route” of leaving cytokine storm uncontrolled is a very difficult, painful and often frightening path.  I don’t recommend it.  [But you can if you really want too!!  No one will stop you or tell you that you are wrong!]

    A fever and pain reducer taken in an effective dose, on an around-the-clock dosing schedule, for a day or two, with plenty of water, greatly decreases fear and discomfort, helps eating, drinking and sleeping, prevents the temperature fluctuations (with the associated miseries of alternating shivering and sweating).  All of the associated flu cytokine symptoms are quieted down.

    Examples for short term cytokine storm symptom control:

    • Ibuprofen 800 mg every 8 hours. (Children 10 mg / Kg of body weight)
    • Tylenol 650 mg every 4 hours (with N-AcetylCysteine 600 mg twice daily or reduced glutathione)
    • Naproxen 440 to 500 mg twice daily
    • All with water, rest, and a mix of antioxidants vitamins and supplements

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:24pm

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    Desogames

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    More data + NEW NAME

    Alright since we’ve been shifting names for this thing Since i’m the first to catch it in the tribe; let me propose a new one also: The Stealth Virus.

    Because you can still see stealth planes on the radar; but they appear as something else (as opposed to ninjas which strike without warning).

    The reason for this is both the video i posted above; and the reading i just got from my Pulse Ox Meter.

    I got 95% SpO2. Consistantly, for about 20-30 seconds. Then it ticked over to 96%. Stayed there for about a minute. THEN, OUT OF NOWHERE, the darn thing goes to 97%, quickly 98% and then 99%.

    Earlier today, i got a reading of 92%/93% and the thing started panicking. BUT i thought i just had it on wrong, i shifted it a little bit, it lagged, did another reading, 98%.

    It’s the same with the temperature readings, i get hot flashes. The muscle pains come and go as well; i *can’t* even tell you how long i’ve been having those, because i stopped going to the gym last year so i’ve been >assuming< they where just muscle degredation. I’ve been feeling that for months.

    The dry cough and sore throat? Well i’m a smoker; so there’s an explanation. Dizzyness and confusion? Well i smoke weed, another explanation. Doesn’t explain why i felt much better a few days ago when i was smoking more.

    BUT! There is 1 >very< consistant factors throughout all of this.
    The symptoms come and go. They are NOT continuous. Especially movement or activity makes them subside very rapidly. That makes them harder to detect, except when you’re specifically looking for that.

    Muscle pain from degredation is spikey; it’s not constant. It certainly doesn’t appear then go away and come back; it’ll come back but in a different shape or form. This is a constant pain that comes and goes.

    If the dry throat is from smoking; drinking lots of water and hydrating it should fix it. But it hasn’t. If the dizzyness and confusion was from the weed, i should feel the effects strongest after smoking and weakest before smoking again; this pattern is not consistant with when i feel what. I’ve felt better after smoking then before, only to feel even worse an hour later while i burned an hour of the drug and thus should feel better in a normal situation. That i dont = not a normal situation.

    Think of it as trying to solve a murder case with no body and no weapon. Circumstantial evidence only. It’s hard; but it can be done.

    I shall repeat the caveat; i haven’t been tested, i don’t know, it might still be something else. I hope it’s something else.

    But if it is something else i’d like to talk to you guys about a NEW new disease that makes you feel like shit while never giving you a runny nose. God i’m going to appreciate these open airways for as long as they last because it’s winter here, 3C outside, and usually i’d be clogged up for months. Beats the normal flu i can tell ya that much. If only my chest wasn’t burning xD

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:34pm

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    Nairobi

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    Don't even go there Asgordon. Your pet will not kill you

    Please do not report propaganda sources from Asia. Pets are not subject to Coronavirus. What you read in Bloomberg is called an agenda to deflect from the real source which is human to human infections. Just keep in mind the same news media that is doing such a pathetic job of reporting REAL data has now resorted to reporting idiotic stories. Bloomberg should be ashamed.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:41pm

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    Nairobi

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    Thank you for that advice Dr. Sand Puppy

    Can you comment on the value of using Acetominophen instead of Ibuprofen? Is it acceptable and just as effective?

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:46pm

    #119
    bigpig1

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    DailyWire just reported Israeli doctors are close to a vaccine!

    Seems they were working on something else, but by pure luck it may work on this Virus. They may only be weeks away!

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:51pm

    #120
    Lightning17

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    I was told by an MD that Tylenol by itself is nearly a placebo but tylenol with Ibuprofen is synergistic.  Hence take them together to get the most bang for your buck.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:58pm

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    Nairobi

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    Sorry bigwig, those Israelis did not find a COVID cure

    I am going to guess you are a young pup. But what that Isreali team actually found was a reason for the stock market to stop falling next week. I assure you there is no cure for this Coronavirus. After almost 20 years we still don’t have a decent SARS vaccine for crying out loud so to make a breakthrough this fast is both unlikely and improbable. But you can buy APPL again on Monday! LOL!

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:09pm

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    ao

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    Desogames, the most likely cause of your muscle pains is not the corona virus

    It’s probably the cannabis use.  It’s a fairly common symptom with long term users.

    Question: why on earth do you continue smoking when smokers have the highest risk of corona virus infection?

    Don’t get your hopes up with the doctors.  I don’t think you’ll obtain satisfaction there for a variety of reasons.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:11pm

    #122
    Jim-nyKricket

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    Dogs can get a corona virus

    Dogs do get vaccinated against corona virus — particularly dogs that are in close contact with other dogs.  https://www.avma.org/resources/pet-owners/petcare/canine-respiratory-coronavirus-faq

    It may not be the same virus as what’s going around now, but it’s a corona virus none the less.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:21pm

    #123
    vshelford

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    thank you Sand Puppy!

    That was a a really helpful breakdown of the kind of symptoms that can scare the heck out of us, but not necessarily be the beginning of the end with sensible aids.

    I have a question that’s been floating in the back of my mind.  I wonder if this virus could end up being like the herpes “cold sore” virus, that virtually everyone has, and it can come back in various forms when triggered, but also stay latent for long periods.  I’m wondering if this might be an explanation of the “reinfection” phenomenon?  Obviously I have NO medical training or background so it may be a silly question, but I have had a lot of bouts with that particular virus myself, in my eyes, resulting in corneal transplants once it was under control, and ongoing medication, so it does rather spring to mind.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:23pm

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    BillL

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    Well done sand puppy...

    Just the basics can be enough to eliminate anxiety.  The ability for one to calm them self, be rational and breathe with controlled breaths.

    I am kind of a camel.  I am finding that I function far better if I stay hydrated.  Hydration is key in battling just about everything we face on a daily basis.

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:30pm

    #124
    vshelford

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    Plan B - bulk emails?

    If PP is prevented from posting new materials, I doubt that the surveillance would bother to go so far as to stop notifications and bulk emails.  So at least the members would stay in touch.  And I doubt that a news blackout would work for long – it would be a temporary measure.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:45pm

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    Matties

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    Re : Try sea salt

    Dr. Gundry from Plant Paradox does every time he sees a patient the full blood work.

    He found that clients who use sea salt or Himalaya salt are deficient in iodine and had abnormal values for thyroid.

    However, there is iodized sea salt or supplements based on kelp.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:58pm

    #126
    Desogames

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    It's not proven yet

    It’s not proven yet that smokers have the highest risk. We have some inconclusive studies to go off of out of china. Do i intend to risk my health to find more data? Yes.

    This whole situation is caused by spineless, gutless people who “just didn’t want to get into trouble”. Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

    Hard times create hard men. Hard men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. The time for taking risks is *now*.

    Gotta say though. Preliminary results: The smoking does not help xD it hurts my lungs more then usual while i smoke for sure. However i have good reason to believe this pain is from the heated gasses and not from the disease; smoking weed does not seem to affect the other symptoms at all. There’s no correlation between when i smoke and when i feel dizzy; muscle pain (so not lung pain) as well as the cough. Sure – smoking doesn’t help. But i’m sitting here behind my PC, more then an hour after smoking, feeling fine… then suddenly i’ve got a dry throat and 30 minutes later it’s gone again.

    In any case. I’d like to get some data on non-healthy stuff too. Because you just *know* there’s going to be people out there that’ll *avoid* quarantine if they can’t smoke in the quarantine. Or smokers who start showing symptoms but then say “ah well it’ll probably just be the smoking”.

    Remember what i posted about the future Opioid crisis? You can add kicking Nicotine as well. Luckily that only takes 1-2 months.

    Humans are not rational. We just cannot rely on normal people “doing the right thing” in a pandemic. Rationality is a very thin layer for most, it is only a few that can continue to be rational when faced with extreme danger.

    I am such a person. I will continue to monitor myself, both effects before, during and after smoking. Don’t worry – if i progress to the point where i need oxygen (AKA a severe case) i won’t try to sneak a ciggy. That’s exactly the reason i smoke weed and damiana – both are non-physically addictive so i can quit on a dime.

    But until i do…. There *will* be mild cases amongst smokers, that go undetected because they write it off as smoke damage. The more data we get on that the better. And as i keep saying. I don’t know if i have it. I’ll let you guys know ASAP after i get a positive/negative result. But for that i need a damn test and yesterday they refused.

    3 more hours till the doc opens again.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:59pm

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    dtrammel

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    Cats and Tigers - Both Felines

    Dogs do get vaccinated against corona virus — particularly dogs that are in close contact with other dogs.  https://www.avma.org/resources/pet-owners/petcare/canine-respiratory-coronavirus-faq

    It may not be the same virus as what’s going around now, but it’s a corona virus none the less.

    Jim-nyKricket, do you understand that the term “corona virus” is the larger group of these viruses? Its like Cats and Tigers, both are felines. Only one you wouldn’t want to be in a small room with.

    Corona refers to the spiky shape of the enzyme shell around the virus, which itself is a small strand of RNA. To use the feline analogy again, its the fur on the outside of the teeth and claws.

    And the link you provided was from 2008. Don’t you think if dogs could carry the virus that was causing such problems right now, we would have had an outbreak much sooner?

    Dogs and cats don’t get infected with this virus. Please don’t kill your pets unnecessarily.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:06pm

    #127
    Matties

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    Gold and silver

    It is the end of the month and options expire and prizes are settled. Countless derivatives are depending on it.

    They are losing control over gold but silver not so. You can see the jigsaw movements in gold unwilling to let 1650 go. In silver they are so desperate that they run it down to 93 against gold.

    Next Monday they will loose this battle.

    Somebody said that Deutsche Bank will go broke when silver is above 20.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:11pm

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    OreganoEO

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    Yes you need to supplement with iodine.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:21pm

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    dtrammel

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    Naproxen = Aleve?

    Examples for short term cytokine storm symptom control:

    • Ibuprofen 800 mg every 8 hours. (Children 10 mg / Kg of body weight)
    • Tylenol 650 mg every 4 hours (with N-AcetylCysteine 600 mg twice daily or reduced glutathione)
    • Naproxen 440 to 500 mg twice daily
    • All with water, rest, and a mix of antioxidants vitamins and supplements

    Thanks for the list Sand puppy, insightful comment as always. Would I be right to say Naproxon goes by the brand name of Aleve?

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:45pm

    #128
    Desogames

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    More smoking data

    Finished smoking a blunt. Gotta say; not the worst test i ever did for science 😀

    But it’s a good thing i did test it. Here’s basically what happened:

    – Before smoking i felt feverish and had chest pains. Didn’t have any other active symptoms. I had just tested if being very active for an hour would diminish the symptoms (because the fever kept going away if i moved) so i tested my temperature and it was 38C – so no luck there.

    – While smoking, it seems the anesthetic effect of weed took effect, as both my chest pains and lungs started feeling progressively better. My nose remains remarkably clear even though i smoke exclusively outside on the balcony, it’s around 2C now outside, and i switch between hot gas and cold air as well as spitting (i have excess saliva) continuously.

    – Directly after smoking i never felt better. If i didn’t know any better, i’d say i was cured. No chest/lung pain, not even headache or foggyness. Best few minutes of the last 24 hours. So i went inside to make some tea. Again – not a single lick of snot even after switching back to indoor 20C temperatures.

    – But when making the tea was almost done, bout 10 minutes after i was inside, i feel a little tingle in my throat, i have to cough, i cough a few times – the dry cough symptom is back and i feel like a wave of heat originating from my head going all the way down my body to my toes. That’s the fatigue that’s back now.

    – Currently, my throat is dry, i don’t really have a fever, but i’m tired… so very tired. It’s not physically active tired, or mentally tired. It’s something else entirely, it’s like i just skipped through time a few hours and instead of yay active gametime in the afternoon it’s now wind down sleepy time, in the matter of seconds. I don’t feel weird tired – i just feel ready for bed within seconds.

    I’m sticking with the name Stealth Virus! Because my god if i wasn’t watching it and being extremely paranoid i would’ve just thought “eh; weed must’ve fallen bad. time for bed i suppose”. BUT THATS THE THING you can still see the radar echo: Even though i feel fatigued >i still have enough energy to post all this<.

    I feel tired… but even though i’m burning energy, i’m not getting >more< tired.

    It feels very comparable to when i was going to the gym and i was on a no-carb diet for 3 months. After 2 weeks you *still have* all the power of your muscles that you had, 2 weeks does nothing for degredation whether you use muscles or not. But you just *mysteriously* don’t have the power to lift as much as you could before, due to the lack of energy. But if you push through that; it’s obvious that you still have the same lifting capacity. It just takes More of everything else; more willpower, more effort, more technique etc.

    Chest pain’s also back though. I gotta say, developing chest pain while sitting still becoming my most reliable symptom pretty quick.

    quick edit: The dizzyness/woozieness is back. whieeeeeee.

    Another good reason to test smoking. I’m a habitual weed user; i smoke 5+blunts every day. One blunt doesn’t do much for me, it’d be the same as 2-3 beers to an alcoholic. but that woozieness i just felt feels like i smoked 2+ in a row.

    It seems the dizzyness and confusion (i’m starting to have problems correctly making sentances in english without using the backspace very often or putting in extra effort) are tied to the fatigue. The fatigue started 4 days ago (almost forgot it’s been a day) and the dizzyness/confusion yesterday, but whenever the fatigue comes back the other two aren’t far behind.

    That’s early data though. I’d prefer to go through  a few more cycles to be sure but i really can’t say if they *do* quarantine me how much freedom i’ll have. I think we can all feel that one at the moment. So better to throw out alot early and sift through the debris later.

    Besides. Isn’t that how a tribe works? I’m the first one who’s developed symptoms of *something* that has similar symptoms to covid19. It’s my job now to relay as much information as possible as long as i can. Light the way so people know what to look for. Pretty soon the day will come that another person will be on here – somebody who DID get a bloody test – and it will be their job to confirm my findings.

    If we work together, we can find out the Truth.

    EDIT: 30 minutes later and i feel fine. The fatigue is gone again. Still have chest pains (which are getting worse) and feverish. It feels a bit cloudy behind my eyes though.

    Whatever i have is a monster xD Stealth virus indeed.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:15pm

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    mntnhousepermi

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    Aleve is naproxen

    Aleve is a brand of naproxen, naproxen is the generic name.  I buy the generic

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:24pm

    #129
    Desogames

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    HAHA caught the son of a bitch (mucho more data)

    YOU CANT FOOL ME! ya stupid virus.

    I don’t give a flying fuck if everybody tells me not to measure too many times cause it’s bad for my health. THEY DONT KNOW! AND I CAUGHT THE BASTARD.

    I Just measured my blood pressure umpteen times with the same wrist bloodpressure meter. All measurements where done in the same, relaxed position, directly one after another. I varied nothing except the things written down. These are the measurements i did after 7:40 AM (leaving in the pulse ox measurements i had dont *just* prior too):

    07:40 after shower (with a towel on my head for my hair)
    Left Finger – 97/99% spo, 85-95 bpm, 3.7%-6.5% PI
    Right finger – 96/99% spo, 88-92 bpm, 5.3%-10.3% PI%

    First measurement Right Wrist
    146 Sys
    99 dia
    142 bpm

    Second measurement Right Wrist after reseating
    118 Sys
    67 dia
    94 bpm

    First measurement Left Wrist
    127 Sys
    80 dia
    90 bpm

    Second measurement Left Wrist after reseating
    128 Sys
    80 dia
    90 bpm

    First measurement Right wrist 2nd time
    153 Sys
    108 dia
    90 bpm

    Second measurement right wrist 2nd time
    155 Sys
    100 dia
    89 bpm

    Third measurement right wrist 2nd time after reseating (bit looser around the wrist)
    165 Sys
    99 dia
    145 bpm

    Fourth measurement right wrist 2nd time after reseating(bit looser around the wrist)
    187 Sys
    125 dia
    139 bpm

    First measurement Left Wrist 2nd time
    159 Sys
    101 dia
    91 bpm

    second measurement Left Wrist 2nd time
    144 Sys
    96 dia
    94 bpm

    Third measurement Left wrist 2nd time after reseating (bit looser around the wrist)
    137 Sys
    94 dia
    89 bpm

    Fourth measurement Left wrist 2nd time after reseating (bit looser around the wrist)
    161 Sys
    101 dia
    91 bpm

    There’s your fucking radar echo. I thought the first measurement was off, so i reseated the damn meter and i got a normal result. ANY OTHER idiot would’ve stopped here but noooooooo not me. Stubborn son of a bitch, i am.

    Blood ox, blood pressure, heat beat, all the other symptoms: THEY COME AND GO!

    IF YOU THINK YOU ARE ILL, MEASURE OFTEN!

    Whatever symptom you think you have, continually measure for a long long time and keep track of the >fluctuations< and not the >flat values<. THATS how you catch this son of a bitch. The temperature measurements gave me a suspicion, but now it’s confirmed: It works on all vitals.

    EDIT: the pulse ox measurements vary so much because i measured the range over about 3-4 minutes on each side. But i did earlyer see 92%/93% which i thought was a glitch and suddenly it shot up to 97% again. Maybe it wasn’t a glitch!

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:06am

    #130
    mav12

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    Sea salt

    Thank you guys for the tips.  Yes, salt ups the blood pressure, but in my case also ups the heart rate. i’m sodium sensitive. So at night, my heart would be pounding.  I guys salt is better then drugs.  I did notice that my BP is lowered with strains BB-12 and LA-05, patented strains.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:17am

    #131
    mav12

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    probiotics

    I wanted to separate the post about probiotics.  So yes, I did notice that BB-12 and LA-05 lower my BP and I’m not able to tolerate other supplements like resveratrol that lower BP also.  Resveratrol along with grape seed extract have OPCs. They upregulate your immune system.

    I looked through PUBMED the topic of probiotics and SARS (coronavirus), a lot of info.  Has anyone looked at probiotics and ACE2?

    PAWCH presented research that soluable ACE2 help.  Here is the research on ACE2 and probiotics, but there is a ton more on pubmed.

    CARDIOPULMONARY PROTECTIVE ROLE OF PROBIOTICS AND THE ACE2/ANG (1-7)/MAS AXIS OF THE RENIN-ANGIOTENSIN SYSTEM

    ORAL DELIVERY OF LACTOBACILLUS PARACASEI CONFERS PROTECTION AGAINST PULMONARY HYPERTENSION

    Lactobacillus paracasei Contains ACE and ACE2 Enzymatic Activity (pp 112-117 especially), Also, confers protections against lung inflammation.

    https://ufdcimages.uflib.ufl.edu/UF/E0/05/09/84/00001/JEFFREY_C.pdf

     

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 1:14am

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    guardia

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    Re: Internal Conflict

    Hi, JahFire, and welcome!

    This is something you’ll need to work out for yourself. It’s a very personal decision. But here are few more things to consider:

    • Do you have kids or anyone that you’re responsible for? If you do, think about what is going to happen to them. I find it’s easier for me to base my decisions on the fate of other than myself.
    • A lot of people find their life callings in places like somewhere in Africa where hospitals are rare. They do it voluntarily knowing full well they might not come back alive. Don’t feel weird if you are able to accept the risks.
    • People will eventually listen to what you say, once you gain their trust. It can take a long time, but it will happen, don’t worry about that.

    I hope this can help you make a decision!

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 12:11pm

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    EcoloxTech

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    EcoloxTech HOCL kills Coronavirus on contact surfaces

    See study on HOCL – https://www.ecoloxtech.com/pdf/research/ieee2017.pdf

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