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    Coronavirus Cases: Turning The Corner?

    Promising developments on the treatment & vaccine fronts
    by Adam Taggart

    Monday, April 6, 2020, 10:53 PM

Very promising developments on the covid-19 treatment and vaccine fronts.

First, PittCoVacc, a vaccine candidate out of the University of Pittsburg, follows previously existing approaches, very similar to the way the flu vaccine works. Initial tests on mice have proven successful in producing copious antibodies against covid-19. The vaccine delivery system is both painless and highly scalable.

So whether or not PittCoVacc is the “silver bullet” here, it’s existence shows that the energies and innovation of our research companies is yielding good options — a process that should only accelerate from here.

And now that we have more data, it really does appear that the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin cocktail combo reduces the severity and duration of covid-19 infection — provided it’s delivered early on enough.

These encouraging developments, plus an exploding set of citizen-entreprenuers creating their own DIY solutions (especially with masks) give us the first real sense that we are beginning to make solid progress against the coronavirus:

We’ll need to hold tight to this good news, as the next few weeks will be quite traumatizing with the anticipated huge increases in the # of infected, as well as deaths.

But we will get through this.

And it’s heartening to see promising developments like PittCoVac and hydroxychloroquine begin to put points on the board for our side.

In today’s video, Chris mentions our primer for those inspired to create their own DIY gardens. It can be viewed here.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 1:15am

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    French connexion

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    If the shoe fits, wear it

    Last night I posted perhaps (likely) a fake news item that one of my daughter's friends had sent us - namely that in France the confinement would last until May 11th. It was around midnight here and my wife was asking me to turn off the computer.

    I had a heart attack 8 years ago. Effectively at each electrocardiogram my heart beat registers the same irregular beat - particular to me. Effectively I have had extra-systoles - which used to really bother me - but which through improved health over time have mostly vanished. A key element in all of the improvement - Sports and Diet (adapted to my needs). With the confinement my heart beat irregularities are starting to reappear. We are allowed to walk within 1 km (1.6KM=1mile) from our homes - for 1 hour.

    Quite frankly Chris, if I get COVID-19, I would take the risk in a moment about having an altered RT by Hydroxychloroquine medication - with the support of my cardio-physician. The problem is this - in France the powers that be have made it ILLEGAL for a GP to prescribe it for COVID-19.

    So with that in my simple nature I would ask why did they do this?

    If it is to protect Lupus patients - then lets have the information about how many Lupus patients have contracted COVID-19.

    My tin-foil hat says that they are doing this on purpose. For Dear John Prine

     

     

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 2:15am

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    My observations after taking care of Covid patients for three weeks

    After taking care of mechanically vented Covid patients for three weeks, this virus is way more lethal than H1N1 and other viruses than I have seen over the past three decades. The news that is rarely heard is that almost all patients that are on the vent and in the ICU have other health problems, most of them significant. Treatment for this is standard care, supportive and not much else, no surprise there, since treatment for viruses is the past have shown little promise. Bad news for those that are really sick is that you have a higher incidence of kidney failure and a small incidence of heart failure. Kidney failure appears to be a direct attack on them and not a result of shock kidney, i.e. low blood pressure. For those that end up on the vent,the mortality rate is higher than I've ever seen, still early in the game, but I'm guessing 25-50%. My conclusion so far, the vast majority of people (99% or more)who get Covid recover without hospitalization. The ones that end up in the ICU have other health problems. The majority health problems (diabetic, obesity, HTN, heart and vascular disease, asthma, etc) are caused by our own governments dietary recommendations, i.e., low fat, high carb, processed vegetable oils and our own choice of consumption of empty calorie foods, if you could call them that. So have we been duped both financially and constitutionally in the Covid crisis, I believe so. We have just given more power and debt to those in the government and their corporate partners to enslave us even more. Don't forget your vaccine card, cause you might not be able to travel or do business without it.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 2:49am

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    Enough

    Feeling sick watching TPTB pumping up the stock market, SP futures are up 2.66%. Gold is up by a much more modest amount on the futures (the only place you can "buy" it) 0.47%.

    No end to the manipulation.

    What have They fixed since 2008?

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 2:56am

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    Turning the corner in NZ?

    Much to my surprise, the numbers here in New Zealand and beginning to look promising and some "experts" are saying that we could become the only western developed nation that eliminates the virus. Although I thought we were doing bad with the testing (only allowing testing for people that met some tight criteria) and expected a substantial uptick when the restrictions were largely lifted, the number of cases didn't increase significantly. We haven't gone exponential yet and had more people recover than new cases, today.

    We still have a couple of weeks to go in lock-down but it's possible we could see some easing of restrictions at the end of this period, though I could be tempting fate.

    However, if we do eliminate it, to keep it out I can't see us getting back to what most people still wistfully think of as "normal". If we do get to zero new cases and the few still active cases well contained, then we might have the first self sufficient economy in the world! 🙂

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 4:14am

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    moheli said:

    How can we call these deaths corona deaths then ? Without minimising the lethality of the virus and how contagious it is, I suspect that the number of death that could be attributed to the virus alone as principal cause of death is much lower than we think. On top of that even "‘U07.2 COVID-19, virus not identified’ is assigned to a clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available" may be used for mortality coding as cause of death. https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/covid19/en/?fbclid=IwAR3wuUB0Tkigw8EsamDCjEl0o6mBnZKxkIek2lj-TAi1R6yNfPnj1VSLxdg

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 4:44am

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    Blue towels

    If you want any of those blue towels for mask filter material, you better hurry. We got two boxes but some places are sold out or restricting how many you can get.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 4:49am

    borderpatrol

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    Eliminating virus?

    Have we eliminated influenza A, H1N1, SAR's, other corona viruses? Millions have been infected Covid and recovered, this virus is here to stay. I don't know where people get that we can eliminate a virus, help me out.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 5:37am

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    they are Covid related

    If the 9/11 responders who had heart attacks after inhaling dust had pre-existing heart disease, did they die from the dust or their pre-existing coronary artery disease?

    They are Covid related deaths because of the timing. Same thing for people with asthma, they are all dying at once and would not have died this week without Covid 19.

    So yes they are due to Covid imho

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 6:00am

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    Masks

    https://reason.com/2020/04/01/whats-up-with-all-the-contradictory-advice-about-covid-19-and-face-masks/

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 6:07am

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    Anecdotal evidence against using ventilator

    This is the story of a person who has been released from the hospital.  Lesson 3 struck me as a proper course if you get the virus.

    https://www.facebook.com/chip.burger.3/posts/10217589938923230

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 6:09am

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    Transcripts: Corona Virus Task Force Briefings

    For those who just want to skim or search for the important bits, a company called "Rev" provides a transcript for each briefing.  I found it really helpful.  Yesterday's briefing was 2 hours and 13 minutes.  Skimming the transcript was about 10 minutes.

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcript-tag/trump-coronavirus-task-force-briefing-transcripts

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 6:24am

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    Walmart .......again

    A couple of weeks ago I posted about how Walmart and Fema were bosom buddies. well just read this.

    Gov. Hutchinson announced a pilot program with Walmart and Quest to open a drive-through testing option for first responders in Bentonville

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 7:07am

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    please share source blue towel

    plz and thanks!

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 7:25am

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    Maybe this is why Zn works...

    Chris, Excellent presentation. Couple thoughts (from a Cardiologist geek): Re Blood type, type O is the lack of A and B proteins; perhaps Zn works because it carries the same charge as Fe ion. Competitive inhibition. Maybe?

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 7:34am

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    and maybe

    Or maybe because type O is a Universal donor - meaning that absent are the particles which make up type A, type B, type AB.

     

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 7:44am

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    One source for blue shop towels

    http://I http://www.tacomascrew.com/s.nl/it.A/id.255254/.f

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 8:43am

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    hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin Treatment What's the proof?

    Hello Chris,

    I certainly hope the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin treatment works. However if the proof of its success rests on the doctor in NY I have my doubts. I listened to the interview he did with the town officials claiming 100% success. I have my doubts. He feels that early treatment is essential - before the patient needs to go to the hospital or is suffering significant distress.

    How does he know if the person coming to his office has COVID-19? He says treatment can't wait and there is no time for testing. He depends upon his "clinical judgement" to decide whether the person needs the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin or not.

    I believe that the doctor is an honest man and believes the person in front of him has COVID-19. But clinical judgment can vary widely depending not only on the doctor and his experience but also on the patient. Is the prospective patient correctly evaluating their own condition and accurately conveying it to the doctor. Is it a person who has COVID-19 or one of the concerned and nervous who imagine they might have it?

    I'm no the doctor or the patient so I can' tell you what their reality is.

    If I was dying of COVI-19 I'd certainly take a chance on the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin treatment.

    But other than dire circumstances I think I would wait for some more proof on both its effectiveness and possible negative effects.

    All the best,

    Ted

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 8:50am

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    Dam, A Guy Who Gets It, not for snowflakes

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 8:56am

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    Hello Ted

    I invite you to explore the ongoing thread called, "Hydroxychloroquine vs The Deep state".  Don't be afraid of the thread... nobody else will know you are reading it so you won't be labelled as a conspiracy theorist.  In it you will find posts from one of our resident MD's, Sandpuppy, who goes over some of the research.  You will see many of the, "anecdotal" individual and small patient group reviews, of which Zelenko is just one, albeit probably the largest.

    Your criticism of the Zelenko data is not wrong.. because he ran out of test kits and was in any event having to wait three days to get a result, given his view that early treatment worked better, he stopped worrying about test results at all.  Because of this, I have no doubt that he treated a few older and sicker regular flu victims with his hydroxychloroquine/Zinc/Zithro cocktail.

    We are in a war.  Zelenko is one of the war heros thus far.  The war is not just against the virus, but against an entity that wants both Trump, and this drug to fail.  It's up to each of us, if we have a loved one in trouble with Covid-19, to decide whether we push for this treatment.  I am trying to arm everyone I care about with the truth.  Best wishes to all,  Jim

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 9:06am

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    Interesting point Cathpro...

    Great to have more MD's posting here.

    There does seem to be evidence of Zn (+2) status having some interaction with hemoglobin;

    https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/146/9/1670/4584899

    Plasma zinc has been shown to be a strong predictor of hemoglobin, independent of iron status, in 2 previous studies (910). Zinc may affect hemoglobin via several zinc-dependent enzyme systems involved in hemoglobin synthesis (11) and erythropoiesis stimulation (12).

    Plasma selenium has also been positively associated with hemoglobin in studies among the elderly in the United Kingdom (13) and United States (14) and in children in Vietnam (1517) and northeast Brazil (18). Possible mechanisms whereby low selenium status could potentially contribute to low hemoglobin concentrations include the role of selenium as a potent antioxidant in erythrocytes (19) and in the maintenance of optimal immune function—and thus in the anemia of chronic inflammation (20). Low plasma selenium concentrations also have the potential to compromise zinc status (2122) and hence may have an indirect negative impact on hemoglobin by the mechanisms outlined previously.

    I will note that most of us have early on decided that we didn't want to be deficient in Selenium going into this crisis.  I eat several Brazil nuts per day to achieve this result.

    Let's keep digging on this idea regarding Zinc:hemoglobin interplay.. Thank you, Jim

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 9:21am

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    The proof is that no one died

    Ted,

    I get your objection, but for me that fact that no one died who showed respiratory distress and used Zelenko's protocol is enough, especially when it is combined with the other supporting "anecdotal" information we have from elsewhere in the world.

    There is a solid scientific basis for the treatment and strong evidence that it works.  I am an engineer...so it is results that I am interested in, and I believe we now have those. I think the scientific "proof" you want will be forthcoming, but as far as I am concerned, if I get this virus I am going to be taking these meds. Dr. Zelenko is convinced that many of his patients would have died without the treatment and I see absolutely no reason to disbelieve him.

    You can choose as you wish, but the potential downside of not using his treatment  is so bad, and the risks (and expense) so small, why would anyone not try it?

    Bruce

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 9:24am

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    Smoking vs Hemoglobin

    I am curious as to the connection between hemoglobin and smoking as related to this virus.  I have seen repeated evidence that smokers are suffering more than non smokers from the virus.  Is this related to the lung damage from smoking or the effects that nicotine has on cardiovascular health or is a double hitter?  Any insight on the matter is much appreciated cause many of my coworkers (essential business) use chewing tobacco but don’t smoke.

    Thanks in advance,

    Ryan

     

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 9:48am

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    Sometimes all I can do is shake my head at some people's selfishness...

    ...or is it their need for the  limelight?  Famous or notorious? Guess we'll know in the future, since history will be written by those still living.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/us/coronavirus-idaho-bundy-patriot.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=914194959&imp_id=639244237&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 9:51am

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    trailerparkblues said:

    Re:  virus, maybe, is a blood disease.  Re:  large percentage of blacks dying from virus.  Is sickle cell anemia relevant?

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 10:37am

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    Problem with vaccine and how it gets in cells

    They tried to develop a vaccine for SARS, but their attempts resulted in vaccines more dangerous than nothing, because of antibody-dependent enhancement. Yes, they could make vaccines which caused the production of antibodies, but then when the vaccinated person was later exposed to the disease, they had dramatic and often fatal reactions. I don’t know if that would be similar after recovery from the natural disease. Vaccines are always a danger-fraught option because they always depend on an autoimmune reaction and always depend on provoking an often-excessive inflammatory response on the part of the immune system, often vaccine encephalitis.

    As to how Covid enters cells, it’s through the ACE-2 receptors on the surface of many cells on mucus membranes, the lungs, and GI system. The virus fits into the receptors which receive them like a key in a lock and let them right in.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 10:41am

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    moheli said:

    We need to be clear about definitions.  In Italy a vast majority of the people who died had one to four underlying diseases. So if one  dies and one has 4 underlying diseases undermining their system and at time of death they happen to have Sars-Cov2 in their body it is unreasonable to say they are corona deaths. They could have died from a common cold or flu. In order to justify the shut down of the economy and putting half the world population under house arrest, could it be that the decision makers may need enough corona deaths as a justification and thus use a classification that will blow up the numbers ? In my country (Belgium) the authorities also add the supposed cases to the statistics (without any test). In China and Northern Italy many people die yearly from the terrible polution, this year we'll call them corona deaths ? This is what a German professor has to say about this: "At the same time, the mistake is being made worldwide to report virus-related deaths as soon as it is established that the virus was present at the time of death – regardless of other factors. This violates a basic principle of infectiology: only when it is certain that an agent has played a significant role in the disease or death may a diagnosis be made." Source: https://swprs.org/open-letter-from-professor-sucharit-bhakdi-to-german-chancellor-dr-angela-merkel/

     

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 11:30am

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    VA stats disagree

    COVID-19 in Virginia

    AA’s are 13.5% of those infected

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 11:32am

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    centroid said:

    what happened to the German professors video?

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 11:40am

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    I am an engineer too - so what does that prove? NOTHING

    I am an engineer too having graduated from one of the top ten engineering schools in the country. What does that prove - NOTHING

    I hope the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin treatment works and as I said I would take it if there was a choice between death from COVID-19 and an unproven but promising treatment like this.

    As Chris pointed out there are several other promising treatments that have potential. So why do I have to decide on this one now?

    Although we would like to believe we gather information first and then decide as detailed in the book How We Decide most of us really decide first and then find the facts that support our conclusion and discard the rest.

    An engineer tries, tests, retries, and then tests again.

    As far as deaths there have been several in Africa among people who have taken it for Covid as well as several in the US. Not to intrude politics into this but the headline quoted the woman as saying "Don't believe anything President Trump says" after her husband died from taking it and she was hospitalized in serious condition. However, I felt there was enough blame to go around because the stuff they took was an aquarium cleaner that contained it.

    I want this to be true but wanting should not the only basis for truth.

    Some of the studies of the alternatives Chris mentioned have already been through mouse studies that show promise. There are several prestigious universities developing promising treatments. Why not consider all and decide?

    I am not in either camp the ones who feel the doctor is a hero or the ones that feel anyone who raises any objection is against Trump.

    However, for me there is just the feeling that there is too much pushing and selling before any evidence is in.  Feels like a late-night commercial for the latest miracle cure.

    If that is where you want to go fine with me.I hope you allow me to come to my own conclusions.

    All the best,

    Ted

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 11:43am

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    More evidence of undercounting

    @moheli

    some useful material supporting the case that we are undercounting: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/04/us-will-cover-up-its-own-coronavirus-death-toll.html#more

    We’re not really going to know for a good while yet.

    i think you are putting too much emphasis on underlying conditions, as if everyone with one or more conditions is just about ready to die. Think about how many people you know who have underlying conditions. Over 50% in the US have hypertension.

    matt

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 11:47am

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    Its ZINC + HCQ

    HCQ is getting all the attention, yet without ZINC it does not do much. HCQ opens the door so ZINC can enter and does the work stopping virus replication. If you or someone that you personally know is admitted with COVID19 to the hospital and they  choose HCQ treatment make sure they are given a ZINC supplement with it. There are some hospitals that are only giving HCQ and Azithromycin and not ZINC.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 11:49am

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    Obesity rate

    Some ethnic groups have larger obesity and obesity related disease rates. That is likely the killer there.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 12:02pm

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    Dutch Boomer said:

    Nicotin reduces ACE2, hence it should give rather positive output... (not advocating to start using tobacco...)

    Why do you think smokers are hit worse?

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 12:09pm

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    How much can you influence treatment?

    @lij-ikul

    ”If you or someone that you personally know is admitted with COVID19 to the hospital and they  choose HCQ treatment make sure they are given a ZINC supplement with it.”

    How realistic is this in the US healthcare system? (I’m presuming US.) From what I’m hearing about lots of places in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, if a loved one is taken away with Covid-19, you would be very lucky to even see them before they get out of the hospital, never mind choose their treatment. Is this possible, say, in NY?

    (Not a rhetorical question - genuinely curious.)

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 12:32pm

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    Zinc from diet vs supplement

    I certainly agree with you overall Loj.. we have for weeks now conjectured that one mechanism of hydroxychloroquine's action is as a Zinc ionophore.  I just want to point out that not everyone who does not take supplements is Zinc deficient, and fact that people's individual Zinc status probably varies widely depending on diet is likely one of the factors leading to variability of outcome for those studies or patient populations that are not getting outright supplementation.  Just my 2 cents...

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 12:40pm

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    Iron displacement

    Chris,

     

    if the study you refer to in this video proves true.....that the iron gets displaced from the RBC’s....would a blood infusion help?

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 12:42pm

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    To Ted

    Ted,  I have created a thread here filled with interviews or podcasts or news reports by Doctors who are using HQC with good outcomes.  It's a difficult time to sort through all the noise and determine what is true.  Everyone has to make their own decisions.

    You said,

    An engineer tries, tests, retries, and then tests again.

    I really disagree with this... we are at war and need to make decisions fast.  Listen to the doctors I reference like Dr. Ban G Truong.. they have used this med before for Malaria and they know that the fears about side effects are way overblown, especially in an environment where people are dying every day.

    I know you probably won't do it.. or maybe you just don't have the time, but I sincerely think if you were to listen to these doctors speak in the various links provided, your attitude would change, because you would begin to see a more clear picture of efficacy.

    Here is the thread;

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/hydroxychloroquine-vs-the-globalist-deep-state/

    Realize please that when you see posts by Sandpuppy in this thread.. he is a highly experienced ER MD.  Best regards, Jim

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 12:47pm

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    Getting supplements in hospital

    My experience in having major surgery in 2018 and 2019 in the US,  is that doctors are still very ignorant about nutrition and are hesitant to do any alternatives.  Old or young, just won't go off reservation.  One young doctor I had, the first surgery, at least looked up the supplements and homeopathics I listed, pre surgery, though he didn't fully agree.  I brought things with me the first time and was able to sneak them when the nurses weren't looking.  The doctor did give me what I wanted at the rehab center.  The second surgery, I didn't bring stuff, thinking all would be well.  A different doctor managed my case and freaked out at me wanting a magnesium supplement or my vitamin C.  When I got to the rehab center, I talked them into my vitamin C.  Very disheartening to battle the system when you are trapped in its clutches.  You have to have a doctor who is on board with your wishes, hard to do.  And maybe have a survival bag of supplements to take to the hospital.

    Best is to really beef up your system with what you need day to day before hand.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 2:15pm

    nordicjack

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    kunga - regarding medical

    Doctors are robots today - they are not free thinkers they do not care -people are diagnosed and treated ABC - by FDA .. its not a normal level of treatment - I have given up on the medical profession long ago - there is nothing there for me - unless you are hit by a bus - there is nothing there for you. We are speaking USA system

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 2:31pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    AKTED

    WOW That was certainly an emotionally charged post.

    First it does mean something that one is an engineer. It means that one has spent a lot of time studying details. That is good training. It also means that one has learned a discipline approach to issues.

    Second HCQ is anything but an unproven treatment. There is evidence from China, S.Korea, Bahrain, France, Zelenko in NYC , a Dr. in LA. and elsewhere. If you are  waiting on multiple double blind studies to convince you well...........

    Third yes there are some other promising treatments but again are you going to wait on multiple double blind trials?

    Fourth. This one really got me. NO ONE here is telling you you have to take anything (of course if you end up in a hospital you will not have a choice of what protocol you will get. This is a discussion of what is the best protocol at the moment. The fact that people die (Africa) from taking HCQ is meaningless. Were they under a doctor's care? What was the dosage? How far along were they? Did they have underlying conditions? Pardon me just playing engineer.

    Fifth You say several "prestigious " universities developing promising treatments. Well you said you got an engineering degree from one of the top ten engineering schools in the country and it meant nothing. Again you are looking to the future where mice trial may turn out to work on humans and universities are working on promising treatments.

    Sixth and finally there is this.

    "

    However, for me there is just the feeling that there is too much pushing and selling before any evidence is in.  Feels like a late-night commercial for the latest miracle cure.

    If that is where you want to go fine with me.I hope you allow me to come to my own conclusions.

    All the best,

    Ted

    Two sentences that use feel and feeling. You are clearly quite emotional about HCQ. This treatment has received a lot of negative media attention and yes much of it is because of Trump. But it is now approved by the FDA it has a track record that is growing by the day. This is simply a discussion to set the record straight as much as can be done on this one site. There is no drug that does not have toxicity, hell too much water is toxic. There is no drug that does not have contraindications. This is a drug with a track record of 75 years that has been used to treat many things from malaria to dermatological issues. So if you have a better treatment AT THIS MOMENT I for one would love to hear about it.

    Finally Ted there is less than zero possibility of anyone here interfering with your ability to reach any conclusion you wish.

     

     

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 2:49pm

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    Well, that was different

    Everyone here in SC that has a cell phone just got an emergency warning with a nice, loud warbling alarm via the National Weather Service. Usually those are for tornado watches, flooding or severe thunderstorms. This one was for Corvid-19. The message said: STAY HOME. Corvid-19 cases are now in every SC county and increasing rapidly. Don't go out except for work. (I'm sure they mean essential services, like my husband.) STAY HOME.

    There's no reason for me to go out, and hopefully everyone that has stocked up over the last few weeks is set. We have all the supplements, frozen food,canned food, and medicine we need. We're already getting salads out of this year's garden. Here we go.

     

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 2:59pm

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    Just thought I would share

    For what it's worth, this person is also talking about hemoglobin and Corvid-19. the article was removed from Medium, but I have the archived version. Lots to ponder here. Quote:

    When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.
    Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:
    1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen....(lots more)
    2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage...Again, LOTS more!)
    I found the artilce highly interesting.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 3:06pm

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    Up Your Antioxidant Intake?

    2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage…Again, LOTS more!)

    That would say to me that increasing the supplements that are anti-oxidatives would be called for.

    Which ones would that be? Right now I'm on a daily regime of Vitamin C, D3, a multivitamin, Zinc (w/a little Calcium & Magnesium cause its in the pill) and Selenium. Then Elderberry and NAC. The NAC is the only one that mentions on the bottle that its an anti-oxidant.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 3:14pm

    loj-ikul

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    It is realistic in USA. Be proactive and ask the doctor/attending physician.

    The hospital I know of ,Remdesivir and HCQ are current treatments available for CV-19. They are asking patients if they want to be part of Remdesivir trials (WHO sponsored treatment). If a patient refuses that and requests HCQ instead, they can get that protocol.

    The issue at this time is they are not actively giving zinc in the HCQ protocol only Azithromycin.

    As Chris mentioned in his video, its not for everyone, especially if they have serious heart problems or other underlying issues that might complicate treatment. If that is the case Id go with the Remdesivir.

    Here is another bit of info to know about the drug HCQ. It has a half life in the blood of 50 days. That means there is still HCQ in the blood up to 250 days after taking it. A  comparison is ibuprofen has a 2 hour half life. It is out of the blood only after 24 hours.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 3:45pm

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    Perhaps I’m Simple Minded, But...

    If someone with stage 4 cancer, or advanced heart disease gets shot and dies, the cause of death is a gun shot wound, not cancer, or heart disease.

    If someone catches the novel coronavirus and dies sooner than they otherwise would have, why would you use a different cause of death?

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 3:57pm

    LesPhelps

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    Antioxidants in Supplements? Don’t Forget Your Veggies

    .

    Which ones would that be? Right now I’m on a daily regime of Vitamin C, D3, a multivitamin, Zinc (w/a little Calcium & Magnesium cause its in the pill) and Selenium. Then Elderberry and NAC. The NAC is the only one that mentions on the bottle that its an anti-oxidant.

    Plant based foods average 64 times the antioxidants contained in animal based foods, possibly because all antioxidants come from plants.  Animals only ingest them, they don’t produce any.  Antioxidants in supplements also come from plants.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 4:30pm

    vshelford

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    Re Antioxidants

    Don't forget chocolate... 🙂

    Well, unprocessed baking cocoa actually, but that's one supplement I don't have to "try to remember" to take!

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 4:36pm

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    Sparky1

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    Chris' newest video, "Idiocracy" (4/7/20)

    How We'll Get Through The Coronavirus Debacle (4/7/20)

     

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 4:41pm

    Rajkumarijay

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    Maybe, maybe not

    The fruits and vegetables we eat today are far less nutritions that they were 50 years ago.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/

    If you are able to grow all of your own plant foods then perhaps you are able to enrich the soil well enough to improve the quality of your food. Many of us are not in a position to do so and therefore vitamin enhancements are necessary.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 6:03pm

    skipr

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    juicing

    If you want a high concentration of antioxidants, vitamins, etc try juicing fresh fruits and veggies.  I just made one with carrots, apples, lemon, ginger, and turmeric (with pepper).  The insoluble fiber is lost, but would that boost your immune system?

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 6:10pm

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    Green Acres

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    COVID-19 and Heme

    Chris,

    You shared an interesting blog post in the Idiocracy episode which suggested that COVID-19 is actually a disease where the virus links to the hemoglobin in red blood cells and frees the charged iron molecule causing the bilateral damage in the lungs.

    I found an interesting research paper which ties directly to the idea that COVID-19 is a disease which attacks the hemoglobin within red blood cells. It provides the technical "meat" to this idea.

    Check it out -> https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surface_Glycoprotein_Inhibit_Heme_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin/11938173

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 7:10pm

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    brucethompson

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    Time to look at Costa Rica

    I am a long time peak prosperity member as well as a long time resident of Costa Rica.

    I just wanted to sound off on what I believe is the tremendous job "my" country is doing in protecting the population from this virus.

    Our 1st case was (likely earlier than) March 4th. The start of our infection was from 2 tourists from New York who had been in contact with a confirmed honey badger virus case and had been told to isolate at home. They had not been tested and apparently were bored because they decided to get on a plane and come to Costa Rica. After more than a week traveling around our country, one of the couple became sick. They ended up getting tested for the honey badger virus in our country and turned up positive.

    It took about 10 days and 30 additional cases for the Costa Rican government to decide to shut down the borders and restrict people's movements within the country.

    At first, our case numbers increased in a seemingly "exponential" fashion until we reached a peak per day figure of 32 cases. After that, the per day case rate stalled and stayed steady for about 2 more weeks until it started to decline.

    Today, we are heavily "locked down" and our active case number is getting close to hitting steady state (457 active cases, 2 deaths, ~5,000,000 population). The lock down here is enforced using the last digit of car license plate numbers. You are allowed to be out once every 5 days. If the police catch you out on the wrong day, the fine is  ~$500. That's a LOT of money for a Costa Rican.

    Costa Rica is a "socialist" country and has public health care. Instead of trying to put checks in everyone's pockets, the government has reduced everyone's public health care payments by about 80%. In addition, utilities such as electric companies, cable companies, etc. have lowered their monthly fees by about 50%.

    I must say NOT BAD for a sh** ho** country...

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 7:16pm

    Piobaireachder

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    Piobaireachder said:

    http://www.emro.who.int/tfi/know-the-truth/tobacco-and-waterpipe-users-are-at-increased-risk-of-covid-19-infection.html

    It’s hard to sort out the credible sources of information on this topic so maybe this is BS.  However, having seen what a lifetime of smoking did to my grandmother’s health, it’s hard to believe smokers wouldn’t be more affected by this disease.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 7:32pm

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    mch

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    Social distancing in China after relaxing the lockdown

    Please keep 6 inches apart.

    I saw these pictures/video today showing what the Chinese are doing after being confined. I'll bet the second wave is on its way.

    and remove the entrance fee to  a popular tourist site:

    https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1246777906887458818

     

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 8:52pm

    #55

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    Did you see the show?

    I remember the series, and many of the characters, but can't remember the shows name.

     

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 10:54pm

    Krollchem

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    additional nutrients

    When taking the proto-hormone D3 remember to take vitamin K2-MKS-7 for calcium regulation.

    Be careful not to overdo selenium as it is toxic at higher levels.

    When taking zinc as a supplement one should add copper at a 15:1 zinc to copper ratio. Eating nuts and chocolate works too,

    Quercetin also serves as a zinc ionophore and is a natural component in fruits and vegetables. It can also be taken as quercetin or the liposomal or phytosome form for better uptake.

    Vitamin C is rapidly reduced in the plasma of patients with viral infections. Vitamin C at 1-2 grams per day is preventative and the liposomal form may be better tolerated.

    Omega-3 fatty acids help to open up cell channels for nutrient uptake and waste removal and can serve to provide better cellular communication.

    Occasional fasting improves immune function as does saunas.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 12:20am

    moheli

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    moheli said:

    @Matt Yesterday in the french news a doctor from reanimation department in a hospital said 70 % of their patients on ventilators have either overweight, hypethension or diabetes. A large part of the young patients who were in reanimation had underlying conditions. But there may be many other reasons for people to die once they are in hospitals (nosocomial infections, stress and solitude, the use of ventilators (that could make things worse)...Time will tell...

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 1:20am

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    moheli

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    Blood disease theory

    @ Chris Martenson the blood disease theory could also explain why dr. Kyle-Sidell ( doctor in emergency and critical care) was saying that the disease model most doctors are working with – pneumonia/ARDS – is not what these patients are presenting with. Video on https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/possible-developments-in-the-treatment-of-acute-covid-19

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 2:32am

    borderpatrol

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    Food quality

    Almost all animals are raised in feedlots in America where their intake of minerals is lower than normal due  poor quality grains they are consuming. They are consuming mostly corn and soybeans grown in dead soil.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 2:45am

    borderpatrol

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    True but

    If someone dies from Covid that is diabetic, Covid gets the blame. The difference is last year when they got a regular corona virus they didn’t die. They might have lived 5-20 years longer otherwise.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 4:11am

    VeganDB12

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    exemplary

    so far have lost 1 friend and 2 colleaguea to this beast. I am genuinely envious; count your blessings that your country was so wise....this is really awful.  I hear reports of these trucks by the hospitals, no funerals for the deceased (including my old friend) and my heart breaks for those who have to go through this elsewhere. The denial and arrogant minimization of this will seem insane if it hits like this elsewhere.  The lockdowns are fully justified and have helped tremendously in my area.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 7:27am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Skipr (juicing)

    Excellent point about juicing.

    Juicing is an excellent way to get nutrition. You get it in a concentrated form w/o putting a burden on the digestive system. Juicing is the main part of the 2 best nutritional cancer therapies, the Gerson protocol and the Gonzalez therapy.

    I recommend either the Norwalk juicer or the pure juicer. They are incredible machines made in the US. They are expensive initially but over time they save you money. They are also food processors.

    Dr. Norman Walker has some excellent books about juicing and different juice formulas

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 4:41pm

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    Coronavirus: low antibody levels raise questions about reinfection risk

    Vaccine may look promising for mice, but maybe not humans, and this is data that has cleared been by China's censors:

    https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3078840/coronavirus-low-antibody-levels-raise-questions-about

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:35pm

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    DLWELD said:

    Interesting comment from the Korean Drs. that the virus appeared to "re-activate". Reminds me of when I had malaria - the little plasmodia would get into the red blood cells, reproduce happily for a day and then burst the red cells and go out and look for more. A two day cycle for me. Each cycle deeper. Diagnosed in time and took anti-malaria pills (chloroquine) and it all went away - never felt better in my life! Drug cleared out those malaria parasites. But... they lurk in the liver, out of reach of the pills, and sure enough they re-activate later - another malaria attack. Wonder if the virus has some place it can hide out safe from the body's defenses - in red blood cells?

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:32pm

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    Tom Sammy

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    Reducing glycinated Haemoglobin

    Paper referenced in video  suggests abnormal Haemoglobin metabolism such as what diabetes patients have glycinated Haemoglobin could be high risk factor.

    Vitamin C and/or Glutathione?

     

    Ascorbic acid supplementation elevated the plasma levels of reduced glutathione by 81 and 108 %. in control and diabetic groups, respectively. It is suggested that the increase of serum antioxidant glutathione and the decrease of glycated hemoglobin after long term ascorbic acid supplementation are related to each other.

    https://www.medscimonit.com/download/index/idArt/502573

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  • Mon, Apr 13, 2020 - 11:39am

    Christine Willis

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    Christine Willis said:

    Hi sofistek. I too am a kiwi. Just wanted to be in touch with like minded people. Unfortunately, my family think I'm a conspiracy theorist, so now I continue to explore, research and shut up.

    Questions I currently explore - why is the meat industry not considered essential?

    The impact on the abbotoirs that are stocked to the brim with no place to go. The local butchers that have not been able to move their stock. Are they all destined for the rubbish tip?

    Unemployment will skyrocket. Is this when they bring in the Unform Standard (I forgot the last word) - but like a benefit for all?

    My last question for today - I am hearing a lot more about the digital dollar. What are your thoughts please.

    Sincerely

    Christine

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