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    Coronavirus Cases Doubling Overnight In Many Countries

    This is not good...
    by Adam Taggart

    Saturday, February 22, 2020, 7:17 PM

Boy this is not good…

Covid-19 cases are leaping higher in disparate countries around the globe — doubling overnight in South Korea, Italy and Iran.

New research continues to clarifying how *extremely* contagious this virus is (as the rash of worldwide infections confirms).

It increasingly looks like the only hope countries have of containing covid-19 is to use the draconian mass quarantine efforts that China is enforcing on its populace.

Don’t assume that can’t happen where you live. It may be the only alternative for your government to pursue, which is why preparing now for self-isolation/home quarantine is extremely prudent.

Which is why Chris and I are accelerating our home preps. He explains why in his new report Why I’m Ramping Up My Coronavirus Preparations, available to Peak Prosperity’s premium subscribers.

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  • Sat, Feb 22, 2020 - 8:34pm

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    dtrammel

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    Comment Megathreads Now Current from 1/23 to 2/14

    Hello to any new people coming to Peak Prosperity for the first time. We had many videos and thousands of comments on the Covid19 health crisis over the four weeks since this started. Those videos and comments are full of great information from the community here but its hard to find a specific comment or link sometimes. Because of this we've compiled the recent comments for three general subjects, which are probably the most important things for you to know in this crisis.

    They are located in the forum here

    Coronavirus: Home Prep, Deep Pantry & Gardening Megathread 1/23 to 2/14

    Coronavirus: Sanitation, PPE and Self Quarantine Megathread for 1/23 to 2/14

    Coronavirus: Medicinals, Herbals and Supplements Megathread for 1/23 to 2/14

    (Comments have been compiled for the videos up to February 14th.)

    This crisis is moving fast and we want you to be informed. First, take a few minutes and read thru the threads then if you don't see answers to your questions, ASK. We are in this together, and together we can figure out what to do to get each of us, our family, our friends and our communities through this.

    Welcome to Peak Prosperity. Be safe.

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  • Sat, Feb 22, 2020 - 9:14pm

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    WildCard9000

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    PLEASE PUT "ACTUAL" LINKS TO SCIENCE LITERATURE!!! PLEASE

    Chris and PP team you're doing a fantastic job!

    I'm just really tired of manually typing scientific journal article links from a video screen shot. What am I Amish! Please put the links in the YT page as well as PP site page, this way I can simply copy and paste and send away to the mass ignorant around me that demand good science.

    God Bless!

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  • Sat, Feb 22, 2020 - 9:23pm

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    Gamma Geek

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    Coronavirus and The Great Reset: different problems; same solution.

    Thanks again guys for the amazing work!  Someone asked me today what I thought about the Coronavirus, and the response was the same blueprint for “”The Great Reset” coming our way.

    “All I know is that nobody knows.  Therefore, the best answer is the personal resilience strategy that PP has taught us!  It totally applies to the coronavirus as well.  It all starts with KNOWING (reading and watching all the PP updates), then the DOING (we implement strategies and supplies where/how we can), and then the BEING (be as mentally and physically strong as possible to deal with all the potential chaos coming our way).”

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  • Sat, Feb 22, 2020 - 9:23pm

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    Suggestion - Contact Diary

    Here is a thought, start keeping a list of where you visit and who you are in contact with, if you can. Why? Well if you come down with this virus, perhaps a list of where you have been and who you meet can give the authorities a clue as to who spread it to you, and if they are asymptomatic but infectious, it will let them get that person off the street and into treatment.

    That said, I think we're almost past the point that it goes from containment to living with this stuff and praying we make it through it in one piece.

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  • Sat, Feb 22, 2020 - 10:45pm

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    Proximity and Time, If Not then Surface Contact.

    Great question in the video at about the 29 minute mark.

    What is the greatest pathway of infection?

    Chris makes a good point, that for most people it comes down to two things, how close you are to an infected individual (proximity) and how long you stay close to them and in their zone of shedding the virus (time).

    You minimize your chance of getting this by practicing "social distancing" aka keep a few feet between you and anyone else.

    I would have added the words "of someone who looks sick" but we have confirmed cases of asymptomatic transmission aka the person you are talking to looks perfectly normal BUT is actually sick and is shedding viral particles into the air. You can no longer assume that someone who doesn't look sick with this virus, is not sick.

    The second factor is time. How long you stay in close contact with someone ill. Naturally, the less time you interact with someone, the better.

    Now if you are practicing social distancing, staying away from other people AND keeping the time you do interact to the minimum, then your concern shifts from people who are transmitted infection to surface transmission and how that could infect you.

    The virus appears to linger for quite a while on hard surfaces. Every time you touch a surface with your hands, you can infect your hands.

    No it doesn't just burrow into your flesh like a leech, lol.

    What happens is you forget to be careful and not touch yourself in a manner which allows the virus to infect you. Even with gloves on, too many people forget and touch their faces, their eyes, their mouths, all pathways to infection.

    You HAVE to train yourself to practice sensible containment. To not touch your face with your hands. Hard to do but doable.

    Beyond that no contact rule, you must get used to sanitizing yourself, your hands and any part of you which comes in contact with possible infection as a matter of habit. Its not as hard as it sounds because having infected hands is ok, as long as you don't touch a pathway for the virus into your body.

    With properly fitted PPE and common sense quarantining practices, you can move through an environment that has the active virus particles and still keep yourself safe. You do complete sanitation when you enter your "green zones" like your home, areas where you relax your protection because you are doing actions that make quarantine impossible, like cooking your meals, interact with your family, taking care of personal issues.

    We'll talk more about sensible practices to keep yourself uninfected in the comments.

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  • Sat, Feb 22, 2020 - 10:59pm

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    DaveDD

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    Q: should or shouldn’t I make others aware?

    Hi all,

    I’m grateful that PP monitors the situation closely.  I decided to step up the specific prep for the first and second phase (I prep on the assumption that there will be a lull in the summer, and an explosion of secondary infections in the autumn/winter season). My wife and sons ridiculed me at first. But I convinced them that preparing is a rational thing to do, given the speed with which the contagion spreads, and government intervenes  (for example, see Italy).

    The point is this: in the place where I live (somewhere in Europe, guess where 😉), I notice an almost complete lack of preparation. The whole situation is downplayed in the MSM (up to the level of evidently fake news). When I talk with friends, family and neighbors, I get no, to minimal response. How do you deal with  this? I’m worried for them. It took some time to convince my family that I’m still rational.

    Keep up the great and important work!

    I attached the graph that I use to  monitor: if nothing changes, there will be between 1 million and 10 million cases outside of Mainland China in May...

     

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  • Sat, Feb 22, 2020 - 11:24pm

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    Myrto Ashe

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    US is at 44 infected individuals

    If you know where to test, you will find them...

    https://www.post-gazette.com/news/health/2020/02/22/Coronavirus-infections-increase-among-cruise-ship-passengers-brought-to-U-S/stories/202002230116

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  • Sat, Feb 22, 2020 - 11:37pm

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    Sparky1

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    Costa Mesa Transfer: the additional 15 Covid-2019 patients

    This could be purely coincidental, but regarding the additional 15 infected Covid-2019 patients (i.e., up to 50 patients for transfer, when only 34-35 reported total in US):

    Recall that 210 US citizens boarded the first plane from Wuhan to be repatriated to the US, with a fueling stop in Alaska before heading to California. Note that only 201 boarded the plane from Alaska  to California (i.e., 9 less), and only 195 reportedly arrived in California (i.e., 6 less) on January 29th. Total "missing" or unaccounted for US citizens is 15. (Have to question why the media failed to question these shifting and inexplicable numbers.)

    Again, this is purely speculative, and that seems like a long time for someone to be sick with Covid-2019. However, given that there's now evidence of incubation periods of up to 28 (or more?) and the potential for reinfection, might it be possible that the additional 15 infected are from the first flight from Wuhan?

    There's so much we don't know and the "authorities" won't tell us, that anything is possible.

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  • Sat, Feb 22, 2020 - 11:58pm

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    VeganDB12

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    Mardi Gras, Carnival, Fat Tuesday

    It just dawned on me, there will be people congregating from all over the world. In the US in New Orleans it is a particularly big celebration because it is the 300th anniversary of New Orleans.  Perhaps this has been mentioned already but now I can see one reason why South America's news on Covid 19 could be limited. These events bring in a lot of money for the cities involved, especially Rio and New Orleans. The mixing of people is intense and goes on for several days up to 2 weeks.  We shall see what happens.

    Many thanks to the new members who have contributed so much.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 12:14am

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    Mots

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    news

    Thanks Chris (and Adam).  You the man.  Thank you much for your reporting.

    Your data indicate pandemicity.  Virtually the entire world will suffer from this man made weapon.  With a ca. 2% death rate.

    Most bloggers chit chat crap ad nauseum with justifiable energy and concern about the epidemiological and other details of this militarized and engineered virus, which we now know will be with us indefinitely.

    But the more interesting long view is how this affects the first turning (our future).  I think that Peak Prosperity has a role in leading to the next first turning.  Maybe the big story is how small community development handles corona and other problems created by exponential growth on a limited planet.  Highly educated individuals who walk away from the madness of the 4th turning, and create their own wealth free from the sociopath parasites in NY/Washington/Tokyo/Beijing/Munich, have much to explore, teach and to guide others.  I wonder if you will create an inner cadre of scientists and other informed people who can more efficiently interact without having to wade through hearsay/non-repeatable results/ case study results, which dominate the chit chatting keyboard squirts that are almost too numerous to follow at PP.

    I would like to see some guidelines on how a small community will, on the long run deal with this biological engineered Chinese fart, which apparently will never go away now.  My neighborhood recently rejected a scheduled visitor from Tokyo due to presence of the Chinese ninja virus in Tokyo.  I would like to provide a checklist for guiding/selecting outsiders who want to visit my community.  We are not embarrassed or afraid to request or suggest conditions to would-be visitors.  Anyone have ideas?  Your New Hampshire community effort has extreme value in many ways, including how to deal with this problem of visitors from far away (ie "outsiders") and I am excited to hear of developments.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 3:25am

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    obryzum

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    Data from Korea

    I know Chris likes data, so here is some limited data (sex and birth year) publicly available for the first 82 cases in Korea.  Source is the Korea CDC website.  Unfortunately, the information is only on the Korean version of the site:

    #82 M 1956

    #81 F 1955

    #80 F 1986

    #79 F 1998

    #78 M 1965

    #77 F 1963

    #76 M 1984

    #75 F 1997

    #74 M 1971

    #73 F 2000

    #72 F 1981

    #71 F 1964

    #70bF 1972

    #69 M 1991

    #68 F 1964

    #67 F 1990

    #66 M 1998

    #65 F 1970

    #64 F 1961

    #63 F 1968

    #62 M 1960

    #61 F 1962

    #60 F 1961

    #59 F 1986

    #58 F 1994

    #57 M 1990

    #56 M 1945

    #55 M 1961

    #54 M 1963

    #53 F 1982

    #52 M 1996

    #51 F 1959

    #50 M 1944

    #49 M 1962

    #48 F 1948

    #47 F 1957

    #46 M 1992

    #45 F 1966

    #44 F 1974

    #43 F 1962

    #42 F 1991

    #41 F 1951

    #40 M 1943

    #39 F 1959

    #38 F 1963

    #37 M 1973

    #36 F 1972

    #35 F 1994

    #34 M 1996

    #33 F 1980

    #32 F 2009

    #31 F 1959

    #30 F 1952

    #29 M 1938

    #28 F 1989

    #27 F 1982

    #26 M 1968

    #25 F 1946

    #24 M 1992

    #23 F 1962

    #22 M 1973

    #21 F 1960

    #20 F 1978

    #19 M 1983

    #18 F 1999

    #17 M 1982

    #16 F 1977

    #15 M 1977

    #14 F 1980

    #13 M 1992

    #12 M 1971

    #11 M 1995

    #10 F 1966

    #9 F 1992

    #8 F 1957

    #7 M 1991

    #6 M 1964

    #5 M 1987

    #4 M 1964

    #3 M 1966

    #2 M 1964

    #1 F 1984

    Source: http://ncov.mohw.go.kr/bdBoardList.do

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 4:10am

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    Sparky1

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    CDC solicits cotton t-shirt facemask prototypes for pubic when commercial supply runs out

    Do you wonder what the CDC is doing when not convening and conspiring with mainstream/social media moguls to develop strategies to fight the Coronavirus "Infodemic"? Or when they are not developing and shipping Covid-2019 diagnostic tests throughout the US that don't work? Or when they're not holding weekly conferences to update (i.e., mislead and lie to) the public on Covid-2019 spread and ineffective CDC mitigation efforts?

    Well, they are apparently busy collecting facemask prototypes (based on a 2006 study) made out of repurposed cotton t-shirts for pubic use when the supply of commercial face masks invariably runs out during "a" pandemic.

    This does not inspire confidence. :-/

    CDC: Facemask Prototypes

    Contract Opportunity Type: Sources Sought

    Two-week turnaround from published date  (2/4/20) to response date (2/18/20). (Sorry you missed the deadline--insiders only! 😉  )

    This solicitation is not a commitment, obligation, contract or request for proposal award or reimbursement of expenses, but note that "information gathered through this notice may significantly influence the Government’s acquisition $trategy."

    https://beta.sam.gov/opp/5a6ce4a06a7a41e98f32c9e56da307c1/view

    Excerpts (bold added):

    "The Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) is considering a project to produce 200 facemask prototypes."

    "On April 21, 2017, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released the Community Mitigation Guidelines to Prevent Pandemic Influenza – United States, 2017.
    The updated pre-pandemic planning 2017 Guidelines include recommendations on non- pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) that persons and communities can take to slow the spread of respiratory virus infections, including seasonal and pandemic influenza viruses. Categories of NPIs reserved for influenza pandemics include community measures aimed at increasing social distancing (e.g., temporary school closures and dismissals; postponing mass gatherings) and personal protective measures [e.g., voluntary home quarantine of exposed household members; use of facemasks (FMs) in community settings when ill or when at high risk for influenza complications (e.g., pregnant women, very young children, persons with cancer, asthma )]."

    "In 2006, Dato et al., produced a “do it yourself” (DIY) 1-outer-and-8-inner layer reusable FM prototype using an S&IM (i.e., Hanes Heavyweight 100% preshrunk cotton T-shirt) that was boiled for ten minutes and air dried to maximize shrinkage and sterilize the material. This effort intended to address potential lack of accessibility of quality commercial respirators (e.g., N95, N99, or N100)….Although insufficient for the workplace, this DIY mask reportedly offered substantial protection from the challenge aerosol and showed good fit with minimal leakage in human subjects (Dato 2006). CI-ICU reviewed the literature and found limited research into the effectiveness/feasibility of S&IMs and DIY designs suggesting the need for more research in this area (Rengasamy 2008; Rengasamy 2010; Shakya 2017)."

    "The Government may procure FM prototypes that are manufactured from S&IMs using Dato’s methods." (see photo below)

    An external file that holds a picture, illustration, etc. Object name is 05-1468-F.jpg

    Caption:  "Prototype mask. A) Side view, B) Face side. This mask consisted of 1 outer layer (≈37 cm × 72 cm) rolled and cut as in panel B with 8 inner layers (<18 cm2) placed inside (against the face). The nose slit was first placed over the bridge of the nose, and the roll was tied below the back of the neck. The area around the nose was adjusted to eliminate any leakage. If the seal was not tight, it was adjusted by adding extra material under the roll between the cheek and nose or by pushing the rolled fabric above or below the cheekbone. Tie b was tied over the head. A cloth extension was added if tie b was too short. Finally, tie c was tied behind the head. The mask was then fit tested."    (Source)

    No doubt the CDC will create a massive outreach and education campaign to teach people how to make these spiffy t-shirt facemasks. That ought to stop this nasty coronavirus dead in its tracks!

    Sadly, this is not a joke.  We're screwed.

    ****************************************************************************

    hat tip: Potrblog.com (Source)

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 5:14am

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    Sparky1

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    Chris interviewed, video on USA Watchdog

    Covid19 Real Beast Causing Dangerous Pandemic

    https://usawatchdog.com/covid19-real-beast-causing-dangerous-pandemic-chris-martenson/

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 5:33am

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    Chris interviewed in USAWatchDog.com

    Thanks for the tip, Sparky1!  I look forward to giving this a listen.  I am hoping it may  be just the kind of compact, digestable summarization of the COVID-19 info we've learned here, that we can share with friends/family. (Chris, so glad you got the opportunity to do the interview with Greg Hunter!!)

    Edit:
    I was just reading the comments under the video at USAWatchDog.com, and one said "Great interview Greg. I actually watched it on YouTube (and even let all the ads play thru, since I saw he was re-monetized!)"

    Greg Hunter, who runs USAWatchDog, states this at the end of his summary of the interview with Chris:

    (This video was demonetized right out of the gate.  So, it must be information you need to know.  Enjoy!!)

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:27am

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    Will the May PP Seminar go ahead?

    I presume Chris and Adam and others are assessing threshholds for running the seminar with no significant precautions, respirators optional, respirators required, full PPE, running the whole thing virtually (no personal contact), or even cancelling it.

    This could be a major test for the PP community, and a major opportunity to demonstrate rational behaviour in the organisers and participants.

    May is far enough away for trends (infection rates, numbers, fatalities) to become obvious well before the end of April.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:40am

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    Israel turns back Korean Tourist flight

    According to these articles:

    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200223000209

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-two-hundred-israelis-quarantine-south-korea-test-coronavirus-1.8565500

    2 groups of Korean tourists who toured Israel have been found to be infected with virus.  This has lead to Israel blocking a further Korean tour group from entering the country. Israel has placed 200 under observation.

    They are adding restrictions for Korean and Japanese flights as well, but no details provided on what that means.

    On Friday, Iran held national elections in the presence of whatever outbreak they have going on there:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/20/middleeast/iran-election-explainer-intl/index.html

    I can't imagine a better way to allow an asymptomatic super spreader to pass the virus on to others given how easily this virus appears to be spread.

    This virus appears to spread much faster than governments and international agencies such as the WHO can react.  They are much too bureaucratic.  By the time they devise a plan the virus has already moved past their measures, rendering them useless.

    I have been a long time lurker on this site and joined for the high quality of information on the virus.  I am grateful there are places on the net where we can get a realistic assessment of what is going on along with *solutions* we can use to prepare for what may come.

    Thank you to Chris and Adam, along with all of the long time contributors, for providing such a resource...

    -Sean

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:40am

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    Gold is on the verge of deflating again

    Thanks, the video was as interesting as I might have hoped, especially the latter half discussing the economic repercussions that are unfolding.

    The one part of Chris's video that I am completely at odds with though are his comments on gold.

    I am sorry Chris but the charts just do not support the ideas of continued gold acquisition at this moment in time. I would view purchases made now quite negatively because the price run-up is very near its climax.

    We are literally within days of the end of this cycle which means that an important interim top has arrived. And it is one that should be sold as metals begin to deflate along with the economy.

    I am saying this as a price analyst now, not as a person who disrespects the ideas behind gold ownership. I happen to love the stuff but would very strongly advise caution buying at current highs.

    Just wait, a better opportunity will present itself by next fall. There are much better investments to make while we wait.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:50am

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    28 days

    I just watched a few excellent videos by Dr John Campbell and was pretty surprised he was reporting that research done on SARs CoV surrogates in 2010 showed the virus was able to survive on hard smooth surfaces like stainless steel for up to 28 days at optimal temperatures of 4 Celsius.

    Cold weather keeps this thing alive on non porous surfaces for very extended periods of time.

    So think about that next time you use your bare hands to open the door at your local 7-11. Hell, a lot of people are probably already infected.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 7:07am

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    ezlxq1949

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    USA Watchdog interview answered my question!

    Shoulda watched it before posting.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 7:09am

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    ezlxq1949

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    Which is the dirtiest —

    the outside handle of the public toilet door, or the inside handle?

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 8:37am

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    Matties

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    re 28 days

    Congratulations. After posting a dozen times that we can know a lot about this virus by looking at research of SARS, and delivering copies of this research, you now finally understand that.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 8:41am

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    Matties

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    Gold and silver

    Gold and silver will go sky high. Only after setting new tops and in a sustained recession it will go a bit down because it will be the only thing delivering cash without counterparty. After that it will move up again.

    Tomorrow we will see an explosion of prices...

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 8:44am

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    Matties

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    No more gatherings

    Anybody who is still planning to go to a meeting didn't understand the times.

    It will be an infection party.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 9:36am

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    Does official .gov "Influenza Like Illness" Tracking provide potential clues to corona spread in USA?

    Hello everybody.  This is my first post.

    I found this link to "Flu Bites - Oregon Weekly Surveillance Report -  Influenza Land Respiratory Viruses".   It is for normal flu tracking, but contains # of flu tests and how many tested positive for flu, and # of pneumonia cases.  Is there something we can glean from negative flu test results here (people with flu symptoms that did not test positive for flu, i.e., potential corona cases)?

    It looks like flu-like visits to health facilities peaked in late-december then dropped, and now are on the rise again since first week of February.

    There are national flu heat maps in here as well.

    https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/DISEASESCONDITIONS/COMMUNICABLEDISEASE/DISEASESURVEILLANCEDATA/INFLUENZA/Documents/data/FluBites.pdf

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 9:42am

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    johnnyboy said:

    Holy crap.  Good sleuthing.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 9:44am

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    PP seminar

    ezlxq1949,

    I had the same question about the PP seminar. 2020 is going to be my first year in attendance after finding the PP tribe in 2013. I was really excited until this SARS-Cov2 went global. Right now, it's not clear the risk is going to be worth the benefit. I just returned from a trip to LA for a conference, it reminded me of just how easily it would be to get infected on a flight, even wearing the proper PPE.

    I hope Chris and Adam can give us an update as to when we will know if the conference will continue or not. A lot has happened in the past month, if the next month continues on the same path, by mid-March this thing is going to be nasty. Someone mentioned peak could be ~May 2020 (or later), so it seems like it may be a bad time to travel and break self isolation.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 9:49am

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    Trump

    I wouldnt be surprised if Trump would lift all restrictions on China to lower the burden. He is not a burocrate but a realist.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 9:55am

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    Florida Cases

    Might this be a place to detect coronavirus cases in Florida? Can a medical professional reading this please comment? Thanks

    http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/influenza/index.html

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 10:12am

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    westcoastjan

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    BC info re public communications

    The BC public service grapevine indicates that a directive came down regarding communications about Covid-19: that only the main govt. communications team is to provide info and updates to employees and that individual ministries are not to issue any communications on this topic. This came to light after asking a person who oversees one ministry's safety, security, emergency response and business continuity planning if any strategies were in the works to protect employees and put contingency plans in place if the virus took hold in our offices. It further underscores the fact that TPTB are trying hard to manage information flows and control the narrative.

    Fourth Turnings do not arise of their own volition. They are caused by hubris, greed and evil, all of which have been building up & infecting our societies over the last few decades. This Turning is overdue, and judging by how this virus situation is unfolding, it looks like it is going to be a dilly! So many are going to be caught unawares and not know what the hell happened. So many already are and will continue suffer horribly in many different ways.  I definitely think that life as we know it is about to change, big time.

    Like many here at PP I have had a longtime, serious interest in geopolitics and the forces that shape our world. I have no doubt whatsoever that this is covert biological warfare as a declining Empire dukes it out with the emerging Empire for global dominance. It is my perspective that the threat of Eurasian integration is at the heart of it all.

    We peons are expendable in this war, merely collateral damage, just as so many were in 9/11 and all the never ending Middle East wars. They won't tell us what we need to know because they do not care about us. Somehow we still expect them to... especially we who live in (supposed) democracies. The reality though is that they are more interested in protecting their own economic and financial interests, and that of those in their circles. In fact they stand to benefit from depopulation. Anyone who doubts that is not paying attention.

    The big wake up call is well underway. The coming weeks and months will be telling, likely providing further credibility Strauss and Howe's Fourth Turning theories. I wish it were not so, but then again, wishful thinking is how we get into these messes. I doubt it is going to get us out of this one.

    Jan

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 10:13am

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    PP Seminar

    If the seminar were virtual perhaps it could be offered to more people.  Instead of a few hundred perhaps 1,000’s could benefit. An opportunity to reach a lot more people? Yes, it would change the social dynamic but there cold be a real serendipity for some of us.

    Just a thought.

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 10:43am

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    RayV

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    325 People in Michigan Being Monitored Over Coronavirus

    So i live in Mi and found this article today.

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/325-people-michigan-being-monitored-over-coronavirus-health-officials_3244652.html

    Your videos have been very thoughtful and appreciated. I have been unimpressed with the near media blackout on this in the US. I have to use other countries news. With the news out of CA about 30-70 infected needing housing and suddenly 325 in MI I am left wondering when they will have to start giving us any real information and numbers. My response to MI and the idea that they will just give a call every day to ask if your sick is complete dismay. How in the world can you contain some thing like this if your only enacting quarantine after you've let somebody get to the point of showing symptoms at which point they have been spreading it while Asymptomatic?? That creates a huge list of people you'd be likely not to track down who had first - second or third hand exposure. Shouldn't a thorough isolated quarantine be done beforehand and not after the fact. Doesn't seem smart to me.

    Thank you for posts and breakdowns and if any one is effected or knows any one effected i wish you the best.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 10:54am

    BillL

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    "Gold is money, everything else is credit" JP Morgan

    Please read some Eustace Mullins.  Start with "Secrets of the Federal Reserve."

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:06am

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    pat the rat

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    China numbers

    I think that with what is going in Italy and Japan we are starting to see what China was keeping from us.There is a good chance that this is only the beginning.The numbers coming out of China can not be true.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:08am

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    westcoastjan

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    Wake up calls starting - finally!

    COMMENTARY: Japan caught in the grip of a virus delivered by sea and air

    A Canadian journalist speaking about lack of awareness. Way more of this is needed; far less about pipeline protests & political crap.

    A first step would be to get Canadians more aware of the deepening global health crisis than they have been until now. Though there has been a lot of media coverage of the coronavirus saga in Canada, it has still often taken a back seat to protests of a small number of unelected hereditary chiefs in northwestern British Columbia who oppose a pipeline that has been approved by their elected leaders, and by the never-ending lunacies of Donald Trump’s presidency and the Democrats’ feeble response.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:11am

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    wyrldtraveler

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    re: Mardi Gras, Carnival, Fat Tuesday

    Mardi Gras is the least of our worries.  We're entering the weeks when any contagion spread by the Superbowl would have started manifesting.  The lack of reliable testing kits (and intentional downplaying by officials like Florida Health authorities) is compounding the problems.

    This is the weekend which could kick off pandemic in South America, however, along with everything south of Kansas not already hit.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:19am

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    westcoastjan

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    News re BC presumptive case originating from Iran

    Persons in contact with this patient may have attended schools in the region. At least they are not trying to hide it but saying there is no public health risk is disingenuous. It will be interesting to see how people in the region react to the letter.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fraser-health-corona-virus-letter-maple-ridge-pitt-meadows-school-district-1.5472981

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:52am

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    Forestgirl

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    Why no reported cases in Africa

    Thank you to Chris and Adam for their dedicated reporting, I know it must be taking a heavy toll.

    I'm going frantic because there have been no cases reported in South Africa. SA teachers from Wuhan landed in Cape Town on 29 January, no quarantine. The are no restrictions on inbound or outgoing flights in South Africa. My family and co-workers think I'm nuts. Does anyone have any info on cases in Africa? Or is there just no capacity to test for the virus in Africa?

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:58am

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    DavidSV

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    Sex-Based Differences in Susceptibility to SARS-CoV (a 2017 paper)

    Women will probably be ruling the world by the time the fourth turning concludes.

    "Epidemiological data from the 2002–2003 SARS epidemic and more recent MERS outbreak indicate that there may be sex-dependent differences in disease outcomes."  Older men especially; "The degree of sex bias to SARS-CoV infection increased with advancing age..."  And it concludes, "...data suggest that sex differences in the susceptibility to SARS-CoV in mice parallel those observed in patients and also identify estrogen receptor signaling as critical for protection in females."

    https://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2017/04/01/jimmunol.1601896

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 12:05pm

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    mch

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    Past Time to Tell the Public - article from Drs Lanard and Sandman

    Here is a link to an article written by the expert risk communication team Dr. Jody Lanard and Dr. Peter M. Sandman  just released on  the blog Virology Down Under. The blog is run by Australian virologist Dr. Ian Mackay. The article covers many of the issues with nCovid being discussed here on PP and has lots of good ideas and information.

    Past Time to Tell the Public: “It Will Probably Go Pandemic, and We Should All Prepare Now”

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 12:33pm

    Mary59

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    Repurposed Mask

    This looks about as effective as the WHO itself.

     

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 12:45pm

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    Immune boosting supplement protocol

    Hello Chris, Adam, and many old friends.  I have been listening and reading all along and very much appreciate how well this community functions for crowd-sourced truth seeking.  I have published my detailed write-up in the thread on herbals started by Dtrammel... but I will repost the bones of it here.  Note that in the extended write up I attribute my awareness of the efficacy of elderberry extract to PeakProsperity;

     

     

    If defenses like hand washing and mask usage, meant to keep this new virus at bay fail, then the last line of defense is in fact your own immune system.  The success or failure of an individual’s immune response to initial infection by this virus may very well make the difference between being asymptomatic/having a mild case, or ending up in a hospital with respiratory failure.  In researching means by which to boost natural immunity to viruses, I found three ways to achieve this result that are simple, inexpensive and available (as of today), and that have a very well documented history of efficacy;

    • Get enough good sleep, >/= 7 hours.
    • Mushrooms as medicine
    • Elderberry extract

    In the next three sections I will go over the highlights of my research findings for the three factors listed – the data that convinced me in defining my personal immune boosting protocol.  First though I will list very specifically my current supplement regimen for the Mushrooms and Elderberry extract.  This protocol may be subject to change as I learn more.  It is in no way exhaustive and does not address some more newly available, less well documented substances believed to enhance immunity like C60 (Buckminsterfullerene), and CBD oil.  Do your own due diligence!  I am documenting this for friends and family because I believe, if and when the virus begins to run rampant in Western nations, which I personally believe is a foregone conclusion, these supplements, much like N95 masks today, will become nearly impossible to source.

    Mushroom protocol:

    Chaga mushroom tea,  1-2 cups per day, 0.5 – 1 gram dried Chaga per cup.

    Stamets-7 mixed mushroom capsules by Host Defense, or equivalent, one capsule per day;  https://hostdefense.com/collections/capsules/products/stamets-7-capsules?variant=38115244362

    There are many good sources for dried Chaga mushroom, which grows in Northern climate zones on birch trees.  I got mine from a small business in Northern Michigan which harvests sustainably;

    https://www.upchagaconnection.com/

    Elderberry protocol:

    Sambucol or equivalent Black Elderberry syrup, 15 ml once per day in hot water.  Increase to 4X per day if sick.  Available at Walmart.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 1:03pm

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    Good to hear from you Jim

    I've missed your posts here.  How's life been treating you?  Your recommendations are sound.  I noticed you get your chaga from my neck of the woods.  I have to rolls my eyes a bit when they claim to "harvest sustainably".  Chaga has become a big thing up here and with all the chaga hunters in the woods (myself included on occasion but I'm small scale for personal consumption only and not commercial like these folks), there is no way the harvesting is sustainable.  It's becoming harder and harder to find and I fear the day may come when the commercial harvesters make it virtually impossible to find any.  Luckily, I have an "in" on some large tracts of private land but on public lands, the pickings are becoming slimmer and slimmer.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 1:05pm

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    What NOBODY is talking about.

    What NOBODY is talking about, and may very well be the cause of all these seemingly random outbreaks happening in various areas around the world with little to no ties to anyone with a history of traveling to China, is the ever present, and ongoing, underground human trafficking networks.  You get asymptomatic carriers stopping at safe houses, being transported in cars, trucks, ships, and even shipping containers, going from place to place, eventually somebody is going to catch this bug.  Then the newly infected go to sporting events, bars, restaurants, shopping centers, churches, and then bam! you end up with situations like Italy (big time traffic ops going on there).  Now Croatia has cases.  Soon it’ll be in the Czech Republic, and on and on. Watch for it.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 1:07pm

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    Desogames

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    ChubbyEmu video

    A great video on 3 cases of Covid19, peer reviewed. He regulairly makes posts on people doing weird things and ending up in hospital. Explains everything in laymens terms.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 1:07pm

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    It's a pandemic, and we're all probably going to get it...

    ...more or less.  Almost everybody will survive it, too.  Because of its high R0 and the fact that I and my family and immediate ohana are not trained in the use of PPE and non-contamination protocols, and since my vocation is literally hands-on with people (Pilates instructor) -- I'd be fooling myself to think I can escape contagion -- I'm going to limit my efforts in that area and focus money and time on preps that would allow my family & immediate ohana to ride out a 60-day quarantine lockdown.  This is an informed choice I'm making about how to allocate my limited resources ($ and time).  I understand other people may find fault with my chosen course of action, and that's okay.  We all have to weigh odds and then cope with outcomes.  <smile>

    What isn't going to survive is BAU and the just-in-time economy.  The whole credit/debt house of cards is not going to make it.  In a few weeks or months, the damage done by supply-line disruption (and the loss of day-to-day economic activity due to quarantines/lockdowns/fear of going out) will acquire a magnitude that cannot be papered over (a la the Fed's recent repo operations).  Choose the demise of your choice:  deflationary implosion or inflationary crack-boom -- seems inevitable that it's all going to perish one way or the other.

    I am quite keenly dancing with the question of how to survive the end of the economy as we know it (or at the very least, a couple of years where it is unrecognizable as a modern and functional economy that uses currency to facilitate the exchange of goods and services [and the movement of goods from places of surplus to places of need]).  I spent the last 18 hours hanging out with people I'm just becoming fairly good friends with, people who -- when BAU goes belly-up -- will be excellent people to know.  I am keen for them to perceive I am similarly worth having in their circle of trust (and healthy co-dependence).  Later today, I'm going to work/play to deepen another relationship of similar import.  Priceless social capital to go with my resilient mind/spirit/body and other essential preps.

    Just a check-in from the Central Pacific.  They're hiding COVID-19 here, out of fear of chilling the tourist trade.

    Whatever choices you make, make them now, and then act not out of panic but with a sense of purpose.

    The window of BAU is closing everywhere.  For people in China, SK, Japan and now Northern Italy, the window is shut.

    May fortune smile upon us all.  Preparation and mindset are huge, certainly, but luck has an immeasurable value of its own.

    VIVA -- Sager

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 1:26pm

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    Bruno

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    Gold and silver

    This has shaped  up just like the great depression. Look at 1920-1930. Its almost identical. I suspect gold and silver will out preform everything. Though i do think the fed is injecting money into the markets i think its just the standard safe haven usa move.  All things are rising cause all money is flowing towards the usa at this time.  Think about it. Gold usd bonds stocks all going up together.  Thanks PP

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 1:54pm

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    Jay Pine

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    Jay Pine said:

    Just a counter to any who are saying this is a 'designed' virus. It plenty could have come about 'naturally' given how much the pangolin is illegally traded from Africa and parts of Asia and used in China. Still more fool humanity and will certainly switch things around however this plays out.

    http://virological.org/t/the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/398

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 1:57pm

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    South Korea rise in numbers

    A family member lives in Seoul. He said the CULT church members took a vow to get out and spread as quickly as possible. He cannot figure out how this information has not gained media attention. This makes sense for the rapid rise as they were spreading almost a month ago. Being a nurse I had a feeling the incubation was longer than CDC has said.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 2:10pm

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    Matties

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    Immune boosting

    Vitamine D, a lot, if you're infected, vitamine C, a lot.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 2:39pm

    Nairobi

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    Remaining objective about gold

    Matties, nothing goes up in a straight line and gold is no exception. We have already seen price rise fairly dramatically since August 2018. That does not mean it won't jump a little higher intra-month and indeed I do expect that to happen.

    What matters next though is the closing price for February. If it comes in as expected then prepare for selling pressure in the first week of March. It's not the end of the world though so don't fear it.

    But markets need to breathe. Bullishness will be recharged by a pullback so treat this as an opportunity to buy at better prices. But don't get hasty. It will take weeks for gold to consolidate this top and while it happens mining stock may continue rising.

    All I am saying is try to remain objective about this particular asset class. Especially as it is one whose narrative typically gets overun by high levels of emotion which can lead to disappointment.

    Because of what is taking place in the world right now there are plenty of ways to rationalize continued higher prices however gold does not usually respond to popular narratives.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 2:41pm

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    Re homemade face masks

    It's all very well to write off this method of making your own face masks, but I would be interested in something that would work, or at least be as effective as the N95s, which aren't perfect anyway.  They are already hard to get.  We have some on hand, but if this goes on as long as it could, we could all be scrambling to make-do-and-mend to survive.  So what is it we are trying to replicate here?  Obviously, a useful level of micron impenetrability, but is this achievable?  Any input would be appreciated!

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 3:01pm

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    Lisa Mooney

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    MTHFR SNP mutation Italian population

    Chris, Dr Ben Lynch is the expert on this, but Italian’s have a higher background rate of this SNP mutation, it affects many systems in the body, including immune system, via impaired methylation, homocysteine and glutathione pathways. I wonder if this is having an impact in severe case rates in Italy?

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 3:04pm

    Nairobi

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    The t-shirt mask can be reused

    I agree vshelford. Since China has hoovered up the entire global supply of masks, gloves, gowns and some medications we have no choice but to devise alternatives. My neighbor was one of the guys who bought up all the available masks at the local hardware and shipped them back home to his relatives in China. I should have taken the cue and bought my own when I saw that happening but it was still early in the virus days before I got focused on  the subject. Anyway, I liked that t-shirt model since it's easy to copy and anyone with sewing skills can make it. Plus its reusable if you wash and bleach it daily.

    What's not to like?

    Now if only I could make my own Doxycycline!

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 3:07pm

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    Homemade Face Masks

    I  agree Vshelford.

    Was going to research what size of particles are trapped in carbon or hepa filters.  Since I sew it seems to me that we should be able to create a mask that works as well.  Masks that are taken off can be dropped into a disinfection solution just as easily as the garbage.  Soak, rinse and hang in the sun to dry.  It sure seems better than running out and not having access to one.  Multiple layers with a hepa filter inside, might work.  Certainly they wont last forever but thats not the point.

    What is a virus size .3 microns?  Will have to re-listen to Chris’s podcast.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 3:23pm

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    Additional Thought

    Copper mesh can be purchased at .002” screen and sewn into a mask filter system.  Copper has anti viral and anti bacterial properties.  It might however be more expensive to make masks with it than purchasing store bought masks. Provided they are available of course.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 3:49pm

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    SARS was .1

    SARS was .1

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 4:00pm

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    Emotional gold

    Accorgding to kitco.com,  in the first hour, of trading,  spot gold dropped $259 to $1384/oz then slingshotted up to $1664, $20 over Friday's closing price.  Crazy!  More volatile than silver.  Cleaning out all the stops.

    Ride the bucking bull.  Cowboy up or sit in the truck.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 4:13pm

    R777

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    Thanks dtrammel

    Your posts and content are much appreciated.  Be well.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 4:57pm

    westcoastjan

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    What a great article - thx mch!

    I gave this a read and found it terrifically helpful! This was a gem:

    ...The more people who are making preparedness efforts, the more connected to each other they feel. Pandemic preparedness should be a communitarian experience. When a colleague offers you an elbow bump instead of a handshake, your mind goes to those lists of preparedness recommendations you’ve been seeing, and you feel part of a community that’s getting ready together.

    What we are all doing here on PP is a communitarian effort. People from all over the globe are chipping in with updates and resources to help one another. This in turn helps support emotional preparedness and resilience especially for those who are new. This is a true grassroots effort, and, if you will, a form of passive protest & resistance in that we are showing we are no longer willing to accept the business as usual BS.

    Keep up the info sharing - it is remarkable to witness this type of support happening & evolving in real time on an as we go basis - amazing really. Well done everyone!

    Stay well,

    Jan

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 5:06pm

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    Desogames

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    As for masks

    There's 2 routes to go here: Try and not infect others / try not to get infected yourself.

    If you don't wanna infect others, any type of linen will do. Aerosolization is only a real problem in doors without any ventilation or air flows (Which is why it is still a step below airborne, which would affect everywhere equally cause that means the virus can fly). So you're mainly trying to stop water vapor that you breathe out. As long as it's hard to breathe through, that means the air's being "filtered".

    Well it's not much but in a pinch it'll work fine.

    On the other hand; if you're trying to never catch this at all, you need a full face mask. And those can still be found plenty. This is the one i bought and it has remained available (though supplies fluctuate between 5-15):
    https://stofmasker-shop.nl/moldex-9002-volgelaatsmasker-medium.html

    Doesn't have anything in terms of filtering outgoing air. But; filters for it are readily available. 358 FFP3 filters which is better then N95 masks, which is FFP2 equivalent. Most importantly though; >it protects your eyes<. This thing can infect via eye mucus too. And; on the same site, those normal face masks have been sold out for weeks.

    Do you want the number 1 important thing you need for this crisis: Critical/Creative thinking. If the thing you want isn't there, find alternatives on your own. Think clearly about what you need, and how can you accomplish what you need?

    Example:
    Diving goggles/Snorkel. Easier to build a higher quality filter in a snorkel, and when you get home you don't have to touch/remove anything from your face you just shower and wash with disinfectant wholesale. Only after your face and hands are disinfected (and with it, your gear) do you touch your face.

    Looks silly? sure. Works? Yep. Do dead people laugh at you? No they don't.

    Edit: i realize i might've not my point entirely clear. What i mean to say is, if you expect masks to run out, don't immediately rush to a solution to make more disposable masks. Try to find better masks. Mine doesn't need to be disposed and i've already got plenty of bleach to wash it. And you don't even need a ton of filters. Once you used one for the day, simply drop it in a plastic bag, seal it, keep it sealed for 2 weeks till the virus has pretty much died out (cause it can only survive, even on smooth surfaces, for upto 9 days) and voila. No need to continually get new masks that last only 4/8 hours or degrade with washing them.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 5:07pm

    Nairobi

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    Golds top has now been posted on the daily chart

    We can only wait now Kunga to see if we get weekly and monthly closing prices that confirm this is an interim top in gold. We will know with certainty by Friday. The kind of action you just witnessed though is fairly typical of the bigger players front-running a trend change. It is a warning, not a reason to saddle up and add more to your positions since they will distribute and bail out.

    Watch your charts carefully this week.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 5:27pm

    greendoc

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    MTHFR likely not a contributory factor

    Chris, Dr Ben Lynch is the expert on this, but Italian’s have a higher background rate of this SNP mutation, it affects many systems in the body, including immune system, via impaired methylation, homocysteine and glutathione pathways. I wonder if this is having an impact in severe case rates in Italy?

    Hi Lisa, I can speak to this, as I actually work for Ben Lynch.  I do not think MTHFR mutations are impacting infection rates in Italy.  MTHFR snps do not appear to have a very large impact on health in average Italians despite their high prevalance.  Research on Italians in Italy have found either no association with the two common SNPs and male infertility,  diabetic neuropathy, coronary artery disease,  and a small increased risk neural tube defects,  down syndrome.  (not an exhaustive list).

    Italy does not fortify its food supply with synthetic folic acid and has higher leafy green vegetable intake rich in natural folates, so the mutation appears more benign...hence its high prevelance in Mediterranean and Latin American countries like Spain, Italy, Morocco, Columbia, Mexico, etc where it is theorized to have conferred an evolutionary benefit for malaria resistance.

    In all the genetic research looking genome wide for potential genes involved with host susceptibility to various infectious diseases or their serious complications (flu, SARS, ARDS), the MTHFR gene never shows up as a likely player.  It may play a very minor contributory role in some people, but definitely not a major player IMO.

    However, as you likely know from your familiarity with Dr, Lynch,  there is growing evidence that in countries that fortify its processed foods with synthetic folic acid (the USofA not Italy) there are higher levels of unmetabolized folic acid (UMFA) in blood especially for those people with the two major MTHFR SNPs as they do not metabolize well folic acid in large amounts.  One consequence of high UMFA may be suppression of natural killer cells which fight viral infection.

    So, LSS: avoid synthetic folic acid in supplements and processed food and beverages, especially if you know you have a MTHFR mutation.  Folks can read more here: http://mthfr.net/

    NK cells are activated in response to interferons or macrophage-derived cytokines. They serve to contain viral infections while the adaptive immune response generates antigen-specific cytotoxic T cells that can clear the infection. NK cells work to control viral infections by secreting IFNγ and TNFα.

    Claire

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 5:39pm

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    — I’d be fooling myself to think I can escape contagion —

    I considered that option as well.

    Then I started hearing about people getting it a second time and that it is much more lethal the second time around.  That changes the picture a bit.

    I agree that it will be difficult to avoid, but I can't see any real alternative but to try.

    Perhaps things will be clearer as the pandemic progresses.  Things would be clear now if half of the world wasn't dead set on covering up what is happening.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:04pm

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    CDC and homemade face masks

    I agree having effective, inexpensive homemade facemask options would be vey helpful when the commercial N95 and higher facemasks run out.  I'm open to potentially feasible, effective, homemade options like this one, which I think is worth exploring further:  Canadian Prepper, "Prepare NOW: What to do when masks run out! "  https://youtu.be/K-HRVrwxw9k

    I'm critical and skeptical of this solicitation by the CDC for a number of reasons.

    IMO, this is yet another instance of the CDC's incompetence and acting too little, too late.  This solicitation and its specifications are coming 14 years after the initial research on this improvised  t-shirt prototype. You'd think that since the likelihood of a pandemic has been/should have been on their radar for a decade or more that they would have researched and confirmed an effective model already. The CDC solicitation references three follow-up studies from 2008, 2010 and 2017 citing the need to perform additional research on the feasibility and effectiveness of the Dato et al 2006 prototype. Why did the CDC wait so long to follow-up on this potential opportunity? And when they finally, belatedly released this solicitation, why did they only allow two weeks for responses?

    Additionally, the results of the prototype from the 2006 Dado et al study yielded variable, if not poor, results for effectiveness due to inadequate fit.  Study excerpt:

    "A commercially available N95 respirator requires a fit factor of 100 to be considered adequate in the workplace. The prototype mask achieved a fit factor of 67 for 1 author with a Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) panel face size of 4, a common size. Although insufficient for the workplace, this mask offered substantial protection from the challenge aerosol and showed good fit with minimal leakage. The other 2 authors with LANL panel face size 10, the largest size, achieved fit factors of 13 and 17 by making the prototype mask inner layers slightly larger (22 cm2)."

    So basically, this prototype face mask was tested on only three researchers with different "panel face" sizes, yielding "fit factors" scores of 67, 13, and 17, respectively, out of a possible 100--and that with improvised adjustments to achieve the two low scoring results. How will the end user know whether and what "adjustments" are needed to create a secure fit? I would argue that based on the researchers' stated criteria that this prototype does not provide "substantial protection" if 2 out of 3 trials (total) produced such low "fit factors" results.

    Are these three results from a 14-year-old prototype study sufficiently robust to serve as the basis to guide a 2020 solicitation, and thereafter, to "...significantly influence the Government’s acquisition strategy" ? Note the February 2020 CDC solicitation states, “The Government may procure FM prototypes that are manufactured from S&IMs using Dato’s methods.

    The CDC's solicitation and its timing raise the real possibility of shortages of N95 and higher facemasks for the public.  Here at PP, we've come to that conclusion for a quite a while, but this might be new information to the general public which is being led to believe by the CDC that Covid-2019 is less of a threat than the common flu and facemasks are not necessary.

    Having worked for our county's public health department in the early 2000's, I know that they house antibiotics and other medicines as part of the national emergency strategic stockpile. Where is the stockpile of facemasks and other PPE? Is it only available to health care workers, and/or is the supply of facemasks presumed to be insufficient to meet public demand during an anticipated exponential pandemic spread of Covid-2019?

    Currently, the CDC is saying that masks are not necessary and that there's very low risk to the public. IMO, the solicitation suggests that if/when the CDC finally acknowledges the risk to the public from the new coronavirus, they will couch their guidance it in terms of limited risk only to vulnerable populations, e.g., "...use of facemasks (FMs) in community settings when ill or when at high risk for influenza complications (e.g., pregnant women, very young children, persons with cancer, asthma )]."  Additionally, if the 2020 prototypes are guided by the 2006 prototype, then CDC is looking for DIY facemask prototypes that will protect against aerosols.  Note that the CDC does not yet acknowledge that the new coronavirus may be spread via aerosols.

    When CDC finally settles on a prototype facemask, they will promote its use through an outreach and education campaign as evidence that they are actually doing something to control Covid-2019 pandemic spread.  This shaping of public perception is similar the ineffective temperature screening at airports, and passing out information cards to encourage self-monitoring and reporting. Again, the optics matter more that effective measures to protect public health.

    I'm personally frustrated and angry with the CDC and other "health authorities" for withholding information, and misleading and lying to the public regarding this very serious and deadly health risk. They've also conducted a coordinated campaign to discredit and silence those truthful messengers (like Chris and PP) who are trying to help raise awareness, prevent pandemic spread and save lives. The CDC and other "health authorities" have betrayed their stated missions and the pubic trust, and many people will suffer and die because of their incompetence and negligence.

    If and when this pandemic subsides, I hope (but doubt) the CDC, WHO and other so-called public health entities will be held accountable for their crimes of omission and commission.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:05pm

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    i say FIGHT

    Ofcourse resources are a problem. But that goes to preparing for a pandemic to possibly happen; that would include a emergency financial buffer for situations just like this one. If you had any doubts whether to this situation warranted dipping into that buffer, Italy and South Korea crushed those.

    But; we work with the hand we're dealt. So start working together. Just because this virus is problematic and contact should be eliminated as much as possible, doesn't prevent us from using our heads. So for example; try to convince 2-3 neighbours close to you to all chip in for a *proper* kit. Full body suit, reusable mask, plenty of bleach just for cleaning it, rubber boots, latex gloves, duct tape. Tailor it to the fittest person in your group - the one that can keep moving the longest. Exchange ways to communicate in multiple ways (email and phone for multiple networks, maybe even walkie talkies incase electricity goes down).

    This spreads the cost of "being able to move during a contagion" across multiple people, so that those people can devote more resources to "surviving an enduring lock-in". Then when the calamity comes and supplies are needed which wheren't accounted for beforehand due to cost or whatever - you have a Courier to get those for you.

    If money is needed or the drop has to be made, that can be done outside of a door. Ring the doorbell, step away, money is put out and later a package is put back, ring doorbell, watch from a distance to see the pickup and presto. If it's placed in a container that can be washed with bleach; the outside of the container is infection free and can be brought inside and be cleaned in a controlled enviroment.

    Does that require you to trust strangers? Yes. Is it likely the system will break down between some people? yes, unfortunately. But it is important to fight and try to keep morale up. It's important to not feel powerless, even when you effectively are. Because you can only decide to roll over and die once when it actually counts.

    This thing CAN be beat, as long as you don't make the same mistake China, the Authorities, the WHO and all the media made: Conceal, Hide, Mistrust.

    Other people are in the same boat as you and there is NOTHING that unites humans as much as a common enemy does. You just have to correctly identify that enemy: Other people outside your social circle. Who's inside that circle you determine (and well.. the others too ofcourse. Consent and all that.)

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:18pm

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    3D Printer

    Oh i just realised. On the mask business, one thing you can still buy because nobody's thought about it yet are 3D printers.

    You buy one of those with tons of PLA or PETg material and you can basically make your perfect fit mask. With a nice engraving even! As i said earlier with a snorkel type setup filtering all the air coming through a tube is easier to filter then around a mouth. Plus with the valves and face-fit closing off all other venues of air you can use a lot tighter woven cloth because of the increased pressure. Hell even my mask of 84 euros has just some flexible rubber flaps as valves, works like a charm, so some mechanical ones are going to be even better.

    You could even rig a setup with UV light and a battery as an additional filter for incoming air. Either rolled up cloth or rubber around the edges should make for a more comfortable fit. Stretch cloth can be used to keep it on your face.

    It'll be a while before the supply chain disruptions start hitting the 3D printing market cause it's somewhat in a lull cause the hype's gone (even though a lot of the stuff is made in china). So there's still plenty of machines out there and plenty of material. I've got one standing around that was about 500 euro for a 30x30x40cm print area (foot/foot/foot+1/3rd) which is more then enough to build a mask from which *will be* airtight.

    Do note though; one of the reasons few people have one of those is because it's not really consumer ready technology. I've had to make quite a few adjustments to my printer (creality 10s-pro) including a glass plate, new fittings, and fucking with the height adjustments. But now that it works; it's a beaut. All i'm saying is; be prepared to fuck with settings ALOT before it works.

    But hey i've got bout 5-6 KG of plastic i'm pretty sure i can build some life saving devices from it. As long as it's all mechanical that is.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:27pm

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    "Someone" slashed the CDC Pandemic Team budget in 2018

    I wonder if this is relevant to our predicament:

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/03/health/cdc-slashes-global-epidemic-programs-outrage/index.html

    It's frustrating because now that they are needed, they look incompetent (no homemade masks, no tests, etc.). Not that I'm their biggest fan, but it would help to have a budget.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:39pm

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    numbers from Japan news

    1,178 infections outside mainland China and Japan
    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200224_05/

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:39pm

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    Sparky1

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    White House to ask Congress for emergency coronavirus funding

    White House to ask Congress for emergency coronavirus funding

    "...the amount could be significantly lower than some public health officials have argued is necessary — potentially as little as $1 billion, said two individuals, which could be rapidly exhausted by development of potential vaccines, widespread lab tests and numerous other investments. "

    "Congressional Democrats have been pressing the administration to request emergency coronavirus funds since the beginning of February. While HHS Secretary Alex Azar notified Congress on Feb. 2 that he was prepared to shift up to $136 million in already approved funds to fight the virus, administration officials took pains to emphasize that the funds might not need to be transferred. White House officials have been hesitant to press Congress for additional funding, with some hoping that the virus would burn itself out by the summer."

    "But officials have confronted the growing possibility that a coronavirus outbreak could hit the United States, squeezing public health resources — and threatening the U.S. economy and President Donald Trump's re-election prospects. "

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/22/emergency-coronavirus-funding-116761

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:41pm

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    15% mortality rate ?

    Check out the stats after 3.30 in on the video

    15% fatality rate
    83% infection rate

    Houston, we have a problem

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 6:51pm

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    Sparky1

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    Chris' newest video: "Fast and Furious" (2/23/20)

    The Coronavirus Is Swiftly Breaching Defenses Across The World

    https://youtu.be/GuBB3GNGQIk

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 7:02pm

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    just looking at the numbers

    My guess is first wave, 60% infection rate : 17 M dead. possibly 60 M dead due to social unrest and lack of medical care for all other causes. Second wave, I am guessing about 120 M dead. ( for US Only )

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 7:33pm

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    763 cases in South Korea

    Country,
    Other

    Total Cases
    New
    Cases
    Total
    Deaths
    New
    Deaths
    Total
    Recovered
    Serious,
    Critical

    China
    77,345
    +409
    2,592
    +150
    24,766
    11,477

    S. Korea
    763
    +161
    7
    +1
    18
    7

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 7:38pm

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    edistomark

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    Unintended consequence

    Chris, I look forward to your Covid19 update every day. What really concerns me with every emerging contagion is the lack of concern for the local impact to the environment. This virus is now being exposed to many new hosts that are not native In its original environment. I think we have been relatively lucky dodging a bullet. We will most likely have to live with the consequence of political correctness and globalism.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 7:48pm

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    Hello AO!

    Nice to hear from you too - I noticed that you had been commenting again.  I had a major life change - got divorced AND lost my job in 2018.  I now have a new partner and a new job across the country in WA.  I have been better off in the mean time without the stress of arguing about the fake paper Gold market, or other such matters.

    I am rooting for the death of the deep state - seeing it die is my priority and I don't see too many folks talking about it here, so I spend more time with Dave of X-22 report, and Dave Janda.  America, and our Constitution, is the last line of defense against the deep state globalists.

    The folks that run UP Chaga are pretty righteous - I have had detailed email conversations with them and I think they really do believe in sustaining the environment, leaving enough of a given Chaga birch outgrowth to allow it to recover.  I am sure that there are many out there who abuse it, as you suggest.

    I was sad to see the Governor of my birth State, who seems like a smart woman, showing some signs of Trump derangement syndrome during her State-of-the-Union rebuttal.....

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 7:50pm

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    Noticed A Big Difference On Respirators

    Like many of you, I've been looking at masks and respirators. I noticed a misconception on respirators that might be costing us all money.

    On Masks:

    I have three varieties in my preparations. The first are the lighter fold out kind of surgical masks. I bought a box of those, for when I might start coughing. I figure at that point the issue is to protect others. I have enough of a deep pantry to self quarantine if it looks like I'm getting sick, but recognize I might have to go out. I figure why waste a more expensive n95 mask, when I'm not as worried about breathing in the virus. I'm hoping I won't have to use these except to hand them to someone else who is coughing.

    I have both vented and non-vented N95 masks. I'll use the vented when I am out and might be active, and need the additional air flow. The non-vented when I am not being active.

    I'm planning on disinfecting my N95 masks with hydrogen peroxide per a NCBI paper mrh found that describes the method.

    On Respirators:

    Now if infection levels get really high, then I plan on wearing a reusable respirator like this:

    3M Rugged Comfort Quick Latch Half Facepiece Reusable Respirator

    I bought one tonight at a local big box hardware store. Once I got it home and opened, I noticed something about the filters. What is being sold with the mask are the full on organic vapor/acid gas cartridges. Which protect if you have industrial solvents and chemicals along with airborne particles. I think this is not what we need, and is an expensive overkill. Here's the oblong filters that came with the mask:

    https://www.amazon.com/3M-Cartridge-60923-Respiratory-Protection/dp/B00AEFCKKY/

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think all we need to filter out are particles like mold, which means we could be using the less expensive round ones like this:

    https://www.amazon.com/3M-2091-Particulate-Filter-Pairs/dp/B00OUYCR1W/

    It would be a difference of $8 versus $20. Which would also make disinfecting them easier since you wouldn't need to disassemble the bigger cartridges.

    Not sure if I want to upgrade to N100 filters when I go to the respirator wear. Any opinions pro or con on that? It would filter a little more.

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 7:54pm

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    Technical analysis

    you might as well read goat entrails along with the technical analysis. Even in the stock market, don't passive index funds do better than most of the professionals who try to predict? Jim Rickards discussed this in great length in his book Aftermath. Also, when big money starts to panic out of overinflated stocks, bonds and real estate, where is it going to go?

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 7:54pm

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    Holy 💩 med journal article

    China- wuhan!!! Just released a paper on studying.... ADE in coronaviruses, paper was put online I think December but it’s planned for a 03/2020 release! I’m only 1/4 through the article and they literally study how to get the virus to enter certain lung cells! Gem from the twitter gods! I’m sure it will get yanked and I’m going to print asap but this very much points to China tampering with biology clearly.

    ive long wondered if the first patient “patient zero”, institutionalized for 20yrs, schizophrenic was a test patient of a vaccine or illness. I am not surprised now that it is likely that very case! Omg literally shocked right now.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 8:01pm

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    Alexis

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    Sorry forgot

    link: https://jvi.asm.org/content/94/5/e02015-19

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 8:45pm

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    A Reminder - Take Some Time This Week To Audit Your Recent Upgrades

    I'm sure many of us, have been on a shopping spree trying to fill the lack of preparation we have had. I've got more than a few boxes and bags of stuff sitting in my living room waiting to be put away. I wanted to suggest that we all take a few days this week to go back and organize our deep pantry and preparations stores, to see where we have a hole or two and then make a quick purchase to fill them this week.

    This week or next at the latest may perhaps be the last calm before we start seeing shortages and empty shelves. We're already seeing "not available" at Amazon and other big online retailers. Its slowly seeping into the minds of the public that "Houston, we have a problem!" When that gets firmly established I expect a run on local goods like before a big storm or hurricane. You do not want to be out there in that mess fighting the crowds of worried people.

    Thanks to Chris, Adam and some of the informed members of the community here, we all have a head start. Let's use that wisely.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 8:51pm

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    Global central bankers scour shopping malls, manufacturers for coronavirus playbook

    Dow set to drop about 400 points at the open as coronavirus cases outside China surge
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/24/us-futures-coronavirus-outbreak.html

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    Virus spread beyond China drives investors to gold and dollar
    Asian currencies slid on Monday as the rapid spread of the coronavirus outside China drove fears of a pandemic and sent investors flocking to gold and the dollar for safety.

    Italy, South Korea and Iran posted sharp rises in infections over the weekend. South Korea now has more than 760 cases, Italy more than 150 and Iran 43 cases.

    The World Health Organization said it was worried about the growing number without any clear link to the epicenter of the outbreak in China.

    “The omens are not particularly good today,” said Ray Attrill, head of FX strategy at National Australia Bank in Sydney. “The presumption was that we would see intermediate supply chains quickly reconnected and I think the market’s had to go through a period of questioning that logic.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/24/forex-markets-coronavirus-in-focus.html

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    Global central bankers scour shopping malls, manufacturers for coronavirus playbook
    In Japan officials are surveying the empty streets of the Ginza shopping district and tallying airline and cruise ship cancellations, and pondering if an economic rebound they had counted on for later this year will fizzle.

     

    In the United States, Fed officials are quizzing local business contacts and hearing from entrepreneurs blindsided by vulnerabilities in their supply networks.

    Businesses "have supply chains that are intimately involved in China sometimes in ways they did not know," Richmond Federal Reserve Bank President Thomas Barkin said, recalling a conversation with one medical manufacturer that "had a supplier who had a supplier who had a part in China."https://japantoday.com/category/business/analysis-global-central-bankers-scour-shopping-malls-manufacturers-for-coronavirus-playbook

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    Coronavirus patients’ long ventilator stays put strain on hospitals
    Three of the Jin Yintan patients were still getting invasive ventilation at 28 days, including one whose blood was being pumped through an artificial lung in a sophisticated procedure known as extracorporeal membrane oxygenation.

    https://www.thejakartapost.com/life/2020/02/24/coronavirus-patients-long-ventilator-stays-put-strain-on-hospitals.html

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 8:56pm

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    No goats Mr Curious

    Goat entrails don't work with gold Mr Curious. Trial and error has proven beyond any doubt that only dry chicken bones are truly effective. We shake them up in an old aluminum lunchbox and toss them at a mud wall. Never fails. We hit the numbers out of the ballpark again and again. See that's where others go wrong. Entrails smell bad and don't give very good insights. Plus, some people get very distracted by the goat bbq. Lol

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:45pm

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    nordicjack

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    What May Happen - did the CDC really print that?

    Looks like acceptance of truth is finally happening - I am shocked .. anyhow
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html

    read the part about what may happen.. really!..

    stock market = expected dow to open down about 400 Monday.. Really?

    The acceptance of truth finally seems to be happening.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 12:40am

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    Bloodbath time

    Yes Nordicjack, tomorrow is going to be one bloody hellish day for the stock market. I mean UGLY in all capital letters.

    DOW futures are already down 560 points but that is just a taste of what's coming. By the time the day is over we could see a 5% loss. That's not enough to kick in the circuit breaker though. The shutdown point comes in at 7% and we will not hit that so expect a sharp bounce back. I am estimating a 1500 point drop as possible if not probable.

    Take cover.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 1:47am

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    Down over 750 points now and still falling

    Hmmm, half way down already. Yup, it is bloody alright. There are a few supports that could stop the decline. One comes in at 28156 on the weekly level. I doubt it holds. Personally I think we could drop all the way down to 27370 although that could just be a reflection of my negative feelings right now. It's got to break below 28057 first. Still pretty steep. Guess we will see how the market feels by morning.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:40am

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    Update on the DOW

    Well my first impression was indeed too negative. The DOW is only coming down 1000  some points. We will see it bounce on Tuesday from 27960. Buy it for the ride back up. This market is mental.

    Monster trade.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:51am

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    Coronavirus outbreak pushes beyond Asia, hitting Europe, Mideast

    Coronavirus clampdown spreads fear and doubt in northern Italy
    News of the restrictions sent many people rushing to supermarkets to buy emergency supplies of food.

    “Today is madness. It feels like we’re in Baghdad. We can’t restock shelves quick enough,” said a shop assistant at Esselunga Solari supermarket in Milan, declining to give her name because she was not authorized to speak to the media.

    Pasta and bottles of tomato sauce flew into peoples’ trolleys, while face masks swiftly sold out.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-italy-anxiety/coronavirus-clampdown-spreads-fear-and-doubt-in-northern-italy-idUSKCN20H0OS?__twitter_impression=true

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    Hospital in China covers up Wuhan virus cases for fear of losing jobs: Epoch Times
    Jiang told the newspaper that she was not allowed to go back to Wuhan for the Lunar New Year after the city was placed on lockdown Jan. 23. “I've slowly found that more and more people I know have died, and the place is a zombie hospital with infected people everywhere…It feels like the air there is full of the virus,” she told the newspaper.

    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3880691

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    Taiwanese professor says Wuhan coronavirus likely man-made
    He said that a French team investigating COVID-19 had found that the key difference between RaTG13 and COVID-19 was that the latter has four additional amino acids not found in any other coronaviruses. Fang said that these four amino acids make the disease easier to transmit.

    Fang said that the French team's findings had led some in the scientific community to speculate that Chinese scientists thought the SARS outbreak 17 years ago was too easy to deal with, so they developed an "upgraded version." He said that with modern technology, such an "upgrade" is theoretically possible.

    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3880475

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    Coronavirus explodes in Italy; cases surge from 3 to more than 200 in a few days
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    Coronavirus outbreak pushes beyond Asia, hitting Europe, Mideast

    The new virus took aim at a broadening swath of the globe Monday, with officials in Europe and the Middle East scrambling to limit the spread of an outbreak that showed signs of stabilizing at its Chinese epicenter but posed new threats far beyond.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-coronavirus-outbreak-20200224-3bgeqsjqpffzbb4cntb664zoje-story.html

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    Debt Bubble And Coronavirus Will Hurt The ‘Too Big To Fail’ Banks
    The biggest banks in the U.S. are the four money center banks considered “too big to fail.” Bank of America, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo have risk exposures to banks all over the globe. Defaults are starting to rise in China. If problems begin in China, they will spread around the world as total global debt is approaching $250 trillion.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2020/02/24/debt-bubble-and-coronavirus-will-hurt-the-too-big-to-fail-banks/#6368b6565687

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    WHO says it no longer uses 'pandemic' category, but virus still emergency

    WHO says it no longer uses 'pandemic' category, but virus still emergency
    The World Health Organization no longer uses the classification pandemic, but the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak remains an international emergency that is likely to spread further, a spokesman said on Monday.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-who/who-says-no-longer-uses-pandemic-category-but-virus-still-emergency-idUSKCN20I0N8

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    The New York Times
    Coronavirus Live Updates: Outbreaks Raise Fears of Pandemic
    South Korea reported hundreds of new infections, and Iran said at least 12 people there had died. In Europe, Italy is working to contain a spike in cases.
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    Vox
    Coronavirus looks more like a pandemic: Italy, South Korea, and Iran report cases
    During the last two months, as the Covid-19 coronavirus outbreak spiraled into a global ... The likelihood that we're in a pandemic — a new disease that spreads ...
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    Telegraph.co.uk
    Coronavirus outbreak: What is a pandemic and what happens if one is declared?
    Is the coronavirus a pandemic? Given that the virus has now spread to 31 countries, across multiple continents, it satisfies the World Health Organisation's ...
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    The New York Times
    Is the Coronavirus Outbreak a Pandemic Yet?
    On Tuesday, Feb. 18, no coronavirus cases had been reported in Iran. On Sunday, the government announced 43 cases and eight deaths. Some 152 cases ...
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    Fox News
    Global outbreak causes coronavirus pandemic fears after cases jump in Italy, South Korea and Iran
    A staggering 50 people died in the Iranian city of Qom from the new coronavirus in the month of February, Iran's semiofficial ILNA news agency reported on ...
    6 hours ago
    TechCrunch
    What happens if a pandemic hits?
    What happens if a COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic hits? ... Some people seem to have the notion that a pandemic will mean shutting down borders, ... an outbreak and buy time to prepare, but if a pandemic hits, by definition, containment has ...
    12 hours ago
    The Week Magazine (blog)
    Tyranny is fueling the coronavirus pandemic
    On the other side of the world, one of the worst disease outbreaks in modern history is simmering. As of Friday, what is being called "coronavirus" (this is actually ...
    3 hours ago
    BBC News
    Coronavirus: Rapid spread raises fears of global pandemic
    Fears are growing that the coronavirus outbreak could reach pandemic scale as more cases emerge around the world. Most infections are in China but other ...
    6 hours ago
    Business Insider Nordic
    Global stocks tank as investors brace for a coronavirus pandemic
    Growing fears of Wuhan coronavirus escalating into a global pandemic hammered stocks on Monday. The flu-like illness has caused deaths in Iran, Italy, and ...
    4 hours ago
    USA TODAY
    Italy locks down 'hot spot' towns as fears of coronavirus pandemic sweep across Europe
    The unrelenting spread of the virus pushed global stocks sharply lower Monday amid fears the outbreak could become a global pandemic – a worldwide ...
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    MishTalk
    Equity Futures Dive as Pandemic Spreads: Coronavirus Tweets of the Day
    Equity futures are taking a big hit this evening in response to an escalation in the coronavirus pandemic. The WHO still has not put out a global pandemic alert.
    12 hours ago
    Investor's Business Daily
    Dow Jones Futures Dive As Stock Market Rally Faces Possible Coronavirus Pandemic; Apple Stock Eyes New Buy Point
    Dow Jones futures dived Monday morning, along with S&P 500 futures and Nasdaq futures, on fears that a global coronavirus pandemic is possible. The stock ...
    1 hour ago

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