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The story about why we have lockdowns has shifted over time from “we have to flatten the curve” to “cases are rising.”  Masks didn’t work, then they did, then you needed two, and then none if you were vaccinated.

Herd immunity used to mean a certain percentage of the population had either natural or vaccine induced immunity.  Then it was changed by the W.H.O. to only mean a certain percentage had been vaccinated.  

So vaccines were sold as the means to “get our lives back” by getting us to herd immunity.  Only the vaccines weren’t sterilizing so really they couldn’t ever do that.

As recently as July 7th the US President said the unvaccinated were a threat to their entire communities.  As of today, vaccines have been re-redefined as simply necessary to prevent serious Covid or death from Covid in individuals.

The comment thread?  Politics and money have completely infected medicine and my beloved science has been tortured beyond recognition. 

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 9:26pm

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    sand_puppy

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    Delta variant may or may not actually exist

    Talked with the head of a hospital lab who met with the hospital system CEO.  He asked about testing to identify the Delta variant.

    1.  The individual hospitals, like ours, are not going to get a test for delta variants.

    2.  The tertiary care hospital for our regional system will not get a delta test either.  Unusual.

    3.  We cannot send patient samples to the state lab as they do not have tests to identify delta.  What?

    .

    Lab director:  How will we know how many delta variants are in our area?

    CEO:   The state department of health will publish numbers for our area.

    Lab director:  How will they know if we are not sending samples to them?

    CEO:   --shrugs---.

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 9:42pm

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    Arthur Robey

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    Neoteny!

    Daddy will save us.

    Looking at the Government spokeswoman, I see Neoteny writ large' (Did you ever wonder why the Soviet used females to execute condemned prisoners? Neoteny.)

    So wudefuk is "Neoteny"? Here Karen Straghn explains. (From Her mouth, not mine.)





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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 9:49pm

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    westcoastjan

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    Bravo!

    Loved this one! It well explains exactly how I feel about all the flip flopping on messaging. This is exactly why people are fed up. The river of BS has breached the dam of reason and patience. It stinks to high hell. Truly hoping Fauci’s days are numbered and that he will soon get his just due, along with all the complicit SOB journalists et al who are enabling this.

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 9:53pm

    westcoastjan

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    Thx sand_puppy!

    That would not surprise me one bit! Could it be Delta = fear button # 3, or is it 4? I am losing count of all the create fear buttons being pushed....

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 10:11pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    Speaking of damaging trust

    ...the mainstream media has soooOoooo much to answer for.

    For example, as they bleat about "follow the science!" they continually pump out complete nonsense and then cry about people losing faith in them 'for no reason.'  Must be those people are all toothless knuckleheads or something.

    Or, it could be because of really stupid articles like these:

    According to CNN and VOX, BLM protests don't spread SARS-CoV-2 but gatherings of people on the right do spread the virus.

    Unfortunately, that same non-scientific practice happens in many other MSM outlets too:

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 10:14pm

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    Liberty or...

    All my life, i've been told repeatedly told that
    liberty was more important than life.

    That it was a good thing to sacrifice lives
    in countless war to protect liberty.

    Now it doesn't seem true anymore. It seem that
    it worth sacrificing liberty to save lives.

    Either i've been told a lie all those years
    or i've been told a lie now as both can't
    be simultaneously true.

    --

    I hope you all can find peace in these
    disturbing times.

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 10:42pm

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    Word Magic.

    Need help? I consult the Runes. (To be used judiciously, the Wr-Alda desires that we try to figure stuff out so that we become wise.)

    However, He does offer commentary if you care to listen. Peoples names like Hazzard and Del Bigtree are as clear as a bell to those with ears to hear.

    Bigtree? The Bigtree. Yggdrasill to the Northmen, Irminsul to us Saxons. "The Tree of the fruit of good and evil" to the Abrahamist. (Abrahamist may not eat of it's fruit. It is Streng Verbotten for them. The fruit is only for those who have Freedom as their highest value.)

    As one who thinks intuitively, I like Del Bigtree's football analogy. (Spoiler: The "Vaccine" destroys your innate immune system so that it is tuned to kill only one virus. If you get a close cousin, and you are doomed.)

    Those who think that they are going to make money with this vaccine play had better spend their money fast. They've got two years.




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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 11:07pm

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    The Extermination of the Jotnar.

    So those with Neanderthal genes are more at risk? This looks like a gardener selecting plants for the characteristics that he desires, not so Mantids?

    While you weren't looking the Jotnar bred with others and you don't like the result. What is it that you don't like? That we are less biddable and a bit too clever?

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 11:49pm

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    Celesteial said:

    Well since I believe I had the virus early on Feb  2, 2020 during a family wedding- I was sick for 2 weeks and taking steroids for non specific bronchitis.   I happen to be more neaderthal than 77% of 23andme 'volunteers' I do NOT buy this idea that Neaderthal genes which are clustered in modern humans in the immune system (Likely MHC genes) are not MORE BENFICIAL  than other gene mixes.  We would have to compare with the South Africans who have zero Neanderthal genes when they get sick in order to look for a lack of benefit when 95+% of Modern humans around  the world have more or less Neanderthal immune systems.

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 11:54pm

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    THANKS sand_puppy and Chris for the straight dope

    Gentlemen hats off to both of you.

    SP you're the best for the last two posts about what's going on in the trenches. The paperclip video and now this... shocking. Know its got to be tough hanging in there. How can others in the medical profession look at someone lying like that CEO and believe a word of it? Is the cognitive dissonance that great?

    Chris- What a succinct way to prove the point with the side by side headlines. Wondered the same things.  Lying bastards lying!!

    I go back to the simplified model of measuring contagion: look at the homeless/hookers.  If a supposed public health threat pathogen is highly lethal and easily transmissible, those two groups should self eliminate. There's  no social distancing, no masks, no hand washing, and living in squalor sharing sex/needles. Since we have an abundance of homeless especially in CA, then the govt. is lying.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 12:28am

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    Just another reminder that these are real people being harmed by the mRNA vaccines

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 1:07am

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    Fascinating, Arthur.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 1:52am

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    Questions

    1) If obesity tops the list of co-morbidities, and the root of obesity is high insulin levels which causes systemic inflammation, wouldn't anyone with a co-morbidity related to obesity actually be at a HIGHER risk of adverse vaccine responses? What does the data show in terms of not just who dies from Covid, but who gets the adverse events? I would be willing to bet that the bulk of the adverse events are in the top right square. Which makes me question whether "Yes" is the correct label for that square.

    2) Your comment that the virus is now endemic, do you think we are past the point at which IVM could drive the virus to extinction?

    3) With regard to comment #5, I don't doubt that the media spins this left/right, but an obvious question is that the BLM protests were entirely outside and the capitol protest was partly inside. Could that have to do with the differing outcomes?

     

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 2:20am

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    Some criticism from Straya

    Chris,
    You need better data/context for your Straya anecdotes...
    First up, Australia's population is currently shrinking, not growing, as all growth here for the last twenty years has been derived from an immigration ponzi, not natural increase.
    More immigrants -> more wallets -> more GDP -> smaller per capita GDP -> static wages -> lower quality of life.
    For the last year, the state & federal governments have been battling each other about closing borders and running quarantine. The defacto response to the virus has become "we're an island FFS, keep the infected out" - ie suppression. For most of the time the rest of the world's medical systems have been smashed, we've been largely unaffected. A couple of outbreaks here and there, with a largish one in Melbourne last year, but suppression has been successful until now and the biggest impact on most people has either been not being able to go on a jaunt overseas, or an inability to buy toilet paper now and then.
    Sadly, the corruptards who supposedly run the joint have been completely incapable of organising a vax program or quarantine system, therefore the quarantine systems leak and less than 20% of the population have been jabbed, and most of those who have, with AZ, as that's all the fwit PM ordered (one of his mates/ex employees/political fellow travelers runs the local branch of AZ), which is even less effective as a preventer of transmission than the stuff you have in the US (oh, & btw, when the PM had his jab, it was Pfizer, not AZ, which has been fabulous optics too).
    In a therefore largely unvaccinated Sydney, hospitalisation rates are running around 10% of detected infections and intensive care admissions around 2%, so it does not take much effort to extrapolate the low numbers of infections into complete health system collapse (it's mostly running near capacity without WuFlu patients).
    Of those in intensive care, a substantial portion are under 50, with enough under 30s to get the health officials really running for cover. A majority of the over 70s have been vaxxed, so are not turning up in hospital much.
    I also find your focus on deaths a bit disingenuous. The entire pandemic has been running in Sydney for less than six weeks. They're basically at the same point in the pandemic as Italy was back in March last year. Deaths will start showing up soon, but they're the simple thing to focus on, not the useful thing. Hospitalisation rates, intensive care rates and long covid rates are far more useful than a statistic that runs weeks or even months behind infections and really doesn't indicate the severity of the disease.
    I think the failure of the federally run vaxination program is really what has all the state pollies and health workers terrified of the hospitals crapping out - especially as they mostly run the line that there are no useful drugs to treat the disease after you have it. It's therefore a real risk that the health system shits itself if the disease is allowed to run - as happened in a large part of the world last year.
    On the other hand, there's that vid you showed of all the bogans in downtown Sydney last week. They aren't protesting for their freedom. They've barely lost any. Applying US centric ideas of "freedom" and "liberty" down under really doesn't work.
    And if the local government had learned anything from Melbourne's experience last winter, the mockdown would be over by now. The Melbourne pollies learned - they had an outbreak of delta not long after Sydney - dealt with quickly in an also unvaxinated population.
    With regards to your question of whether lockdowns work, the lockdowns in Sydney are better characterised as "mockdowns", as the state, federal and local pollies have been confusing the hell out of each other and the populace with contradictary and ever changing rules and unclear definitions of what constitutes a essential/sacrificial worker/job, yada,yada, yada. Seriously, these guys couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery, so I fully expect the health system to freeze up and the suppression strategy to fail. Given that the government's current hail mary is to get everyone vaccinated with a vaccine (AZ) that has pretty much no effect after the first dose and needs a 12 week break until the second to provide any lasting effect, I fully expect to be locking the gate on my farm and watching Sydney in particular turn into a serious shitshow.

    Oh, & BTW, that woman is the chief health officer of New South Wales. Not a pollie, but a bureaucrat.
    Cheers,
    Les

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 2:25am

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    keep the numbers where they are

    50% of adults are vaxxed. 50% are not. The goal of isolating the unvaxxed from society wont work if those numbers stay that way. (certain cities like LA, NYC, are exceptions).

    I've had a few discussions with strangers this week who said they were on the fence. I said, 'why risk it? Covid is treatable. VAERS reports are alarming. Already got the vax? Skip #2, skip the booster.' Even the docile are rapidly losing faith in Biden / Fauci.

    If we keep the numbers at ~50/5o, then they can scapegoat us all they want, but they wont be able to exclude us from society.

    .....

    My friend, who's a hospitalist in a big city, said they only have a few in-patients with Covid, and they are not testing any of them for the 'Delta' variant. I asked him, 'wouldn't you want to know which variant they had?' He said, 'meh, when I need to know the facts, I read NEJM, or JAMA.'

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 2:46am

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    DaveDD said:

    So sad, so sad

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 2:57am

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    DaveDD said:

    You think so? typically ~ 30% of the population is sufficient to instigate a fundamental change:

    Naziparty Germany: ~30% voted them in the government

    US:~50% voted for Biden and his crazy band of overzealous brothers and sisters

    I think that there is no comfort in 50%…

    That being said, there is a lot of comfort in the knowledge of not being alone in this…

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 4:10am

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    Boots on ground info

    I work with physicians who live in many parts of the world, and we all take care of Covid patients.  Some are seeing distinct uptick in Covid illness and some aren’t.  A place in Hawaii has a marked uptick in exceptionally sick patients with 75% below the age of 40.  The Covid numbers in that area have gone from 20 to 50 in a span of 4 days.  Another colleague in the Midwest has seen a huge uptick in severely sick patients.  And, the hospital system is getting overwhelmed such that patients with other critical illnesses such as perforated colons can’t get moved from small hospitals to larger ones with surgery support.  One will likely die fairly quickly with an unaddressed perforated bowel.

    The Covid story is extremely fluid right now.  I wouldn’t be surprised if there are many variations in different regions of the world.  I recommend everyone remain very vigilant in trying to avoid getting infected.  I’m not saying don’t live your lives, but I definitely would not be cavalier and take undo risks like eating inside a restaurant just to show how unafraid or brave you are.  Why risk getting infected over a simple meal inside a restaurant?  That would be truly stupid.  If folks need to work, I completely get it.  Life has to go on.  Life itself is inherently risky as CM says.  Kids need socializing or this world truly will go to crap in short order.  The decision of getting vaccinated or not is truly a potentially life or death decision.  This is not some game of mental masturbation reading all sorts of things on the internet and thinking you are smarter than other people because of the choices you are making.  I question myself ALL the time, and you should to.  Learn, learn, and learn some more.  This marathon is far from over IMO.

    I do have one clear warning for everyone.  If you are overweight and not doing something about it and have decided to not get vaccinated, then you are simply $hitting yourself.  You are a sitting duck with this virus having you in the middle of its crosshairs.

    Btw, if you released a virus to cause worldwide damage and you weren’t seeing that it was causing as much damage as you intended, what would you do?  You’d leak out other strains of the virus intentionally that were hopefully more damaging.  Just a thought.

    The above is my medical perspective.  However, I totally get the fact global governments are using Covid to achieve other (nefarious) objectives with their excessive “lockdowns”.  There’s common sense for medical safety, and there’s total bull$hit “medical safety” from governments.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 4:19am

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    thesiasgc said:

    EDIT: I was meant to reply to LeMon's comment about Australia.

    This is spot on. The situation in Australia is vastly different at the moment because of our failure to deliver an effective vaccine roll-out.

    From a data perspective, the data regarding delta infections from NSW will be interesting to review over the coming months, given our low vaccination rates. It should provide some insight into the deadliness of the delta variant and what hospitalisations will occur.

    Given we don't have good data around long covid, should Australia take the risk? Is it fair to 'let it rip' before everyone has had the opportunity to get vaccinated?

    I understand the vaccines may not be as effective as originally hoped, however their impacts on mitigating deaths and hospitalisations seem to show signs of some effectiveness.

    Hopefully as we exit winter and enter spring we have more opportunities at keeping things under control without resorting to lockdowns.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 6:34am

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    agoodhuman said:

    As a fellow Aussie, I agree with this. Sydney's lockdown wasn't really a lockdown. They didn't go hard or fast enough to get ahead of the Delta Curve. Other states have been doing better.

    The thing is, Australia went for elimination early on in this Pandemic. We've been living mostly free of the virus this whole time and we like it. That's why we do lockdowns when we have what looks to be an inconsequential number of cases. We shudder when we see what is happening elsewhere because we live far more freely than the countries that let the virus get out of control.

    Also, I really urge you to look again at the numbers of hospitalisations in Australia. You used to recognise that there was a time shift between a case and a hospitalisation and a fatality. Australia possibly has some of the most transparent data about the real number of infections. I did some quick mental maths about the number of hospitalisations compared to cases from 2 weeks early and found the data to be quite alarming. I might check it again if I get some time. Many of these numbers are young, healthy people who are in hospital, on Ventilators, dying. It will be interesting to finally get some better data on Delta outcomes. My outlook isn't as rosy.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 8:44am

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    New dwizzybins that may work as preventatives!

    More research is needed, but these are interesting.   No prescription needed!  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33205039/

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 9:05am

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    Interesting, you say less than 20% have been jabbed and then most over 60s have been jabbed. So you don't have a boom generation like we do here in Canada and US?

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 9:20am

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    Pharma Contracts with Governments

    I understand the issue behind pushing the vaccines is the contracts Pharma signed with Governments. Stew Peters had a show the other day, where a person from the UK explained the real reason behind governments being so pushy about the vaccines. It is Pharma behind all of this. 2021 they will make over 30 Billion USD.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 9:20am

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    Met with Chief of Police in a southern US city

    wanted to share a discussion yesterday with Chief of Police of undisclosed US city.   He told me very openly “there is no way we will enforce any vaccination tracking that will violate the civil rights of our citizens”.  As Chris stated, many of authorities are on our side.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 9:23am

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

     I’m not saying don’t live your lives, but I definitely would not be cavalier and take undo risks like eating inside a restaurant just to show how unafraid or brave you are.  Why risk getting infected over a simple meal inside a restaurant?  That would be truly stupid.

    Call me stupid then. I need people. I was depressed in my 30s and realized that when I am helping people I am not depressed. So I help people in whatever way I can. But when covid struck all the old ways to help people were illegal. So I have been getting more and more depressed. I try phone and card campaigns and it brings me no joy. So yeah, right now the only contact I get with strangers is eating out. I'm not able to help them but just those fleeting moments of connection are keeping me afloat. I live in Ontario and it has been draconian. It will be draconian again. So while they will let me I will go to restaurants. Because the dark night of the soul is coming again.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 9:25am

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    madengr said:

    There were riots outside, but plenty of “shopping” inside.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 9:51am

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    Ok I’m Confused

    This video calls into question the covid vaccine because it is not “sterilizing.” I don’t exactly understand how that makes it undesirable for everyone if the benefit/risk ratio is good to excellent.

    Should people at lower risk get the vaccine to reduce, at least somewhat, the danger to people at higher risk?  Keep in mind, the elderly and obese alone make up a sizable portion of our population.

    This video also supports the idea that supplements, not Whole Foods are the way to prepare your personal terrain in order to minimize covid risk.  There is a lot of science (very important on this website) regarding supplements in general.

    I did a google search on “do supplements work.”  There is still major confusion on the top medical websites as to what constitutes good nutrition, but the message that comes through is along the lines of, supplements may be necessary if your diet doesn’t contain the proper nutrients.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/supplements/art-20044894

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/is-there-really-any-benefit-to-multivitamins

    I recall a study by a nutrition scientist comparing the paltry vitamin c in an apple to a megadose of vitamins c in supplement form.  Despite the fact that the supplement had many times the amount of vitamins c in the apple, the apple provided far more in vivo vitamins c benefit.

    Attributing specific health benefits to one aspect (vitamin) from a plant ignores the possibility that other micronutrients in the plant may contribute to the desired health benefit.

    Good science is about all biases being open to review.

    No, I don’t expect any thumbs up on this post.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:02am

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    2retired said:

    My reservation about the covid vaccine was the same as with the flu vaccine; the flu vaccine may have some effectiveness if they get the match right, but it makes you more vulnerable in subsequent years to new (variant) viruses (confirmed by veterans study). It turns out the hype around the flu vaccine is false as well (no mortality or reduced transmissibility benefit). The apparent benefit of the covid vaccine maybe more like 28% in symptomatology with non pharma eyes, and the early 6 month study results show no mortality benefit. There are lots of flags for deaths and complications, declining efficacy over time, necessity of boosters, ADE maybe real, and no real safety studies completed. I have been sucked in before (swine flu in the 70's and rode the odds to escape problems); and all this hype, coercion, censorship, makes me even more concerned about the 'vax'. I just feel very sad for the problems that seems to be coming down the pipe for the vaxxed in the next 6 months. If the vaccine turns out well, as we all wish it would, I can change my mind (it just doesn't look like its going that way)

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:33am

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    Food quality, multivitamins and supplements

    Our food quality isn’t what it was when they studied the nutrients in food.  Yes, an apple pulled off my backyard apple tree where I carefully eat around to worm is a better option than a vitamin C supplement.  That apple in the store that was grown too look and taste good, be worm free and store in warehouses for weeks, that probably isn’t so nutrient dense.

    I will agree that the average multivitamin isn’t very valuable.  Different people are different, what they need is different and a multi is going to be less specific about the supplement types.  Magnesium is a perfect example, there is about six different types of magnesium (oxide, citrate, etc.) the one in the multivitamin is probably not the one you need.

    I have had really good luck with targeted supplementation.   Iron deficiency during pregnancy was the first time it was really obvious.  My drive to chew on ice (pica) and sniff leather when I am iron deficient is intense.  A week of iron supplements and it disappeared.   The eye supplements make a noticeable difference for me too.

    If the CDC or NIH wanted to do something useful they could redo the RDAs and food nutritional data.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:34am

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    confused

    I went beyond confused to just plain dumfounded.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:42am

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    supplementation

    Kathy likes her iron, and I like my niacin.  (Flush) Niacin supplements were revolutionary for me.  I do have a decent diet, I cook most of my own food, but I was still niacin deficient.  I know this because when I supplemented, my anxiety just went away.  It was remarkable.  500 mg Flush Niacin/day and the anxiety was just gone.  And once I looked up how all the pathways worked, it all made sense.

    It boils down to: "there's more than one way to skin the cat."

    And: "my way worked for me."

    I am also in the process of trying "moringa powder" in another of my self-experiments.  So far it is showing promising results.  Also: "artemisia annua" extract.  Plant solutions are definitely a thing.  Do I want to grow my own artemisia bush?  My own moringa tree? Perhaps someday I will.  Maybe not until I figure out if they work first.

    Apropos risk/benefit:

    The risk/benefit of the vax for kids is horrid.  Do the NNTV calculation: "number needed to vaccinate to save one child's life."  The answer is in the millions: we must give a shot to a million kids to "save one child's life" from COVID19.  If the shots were free of side effects - like, say saline - then I guess, maybe.  But that's not reality.

    Right.  NNTV.  That's how you assess risk/benefit.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:58am

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    Weaponized anger

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/07/29/the-problem-is-evil-of-cyberterrorism-great-resets-and-political-prisoners/

    ...Perhaps this is what we are seeing today. Because we really need to ask, does anyone else find it amazing that right as this series of imperial failures happened all within the short span of a few years, that magically the entire narrative of society transmogrifies overnight into a giant ritual sacrifice to prevent novel viruses, cyberterrorism, and food shortages?

    Here we are also asked to suspend rational thinking and science, in the name of rationalizing and trusting the science. Provisions that governments make against an ever-mutating virus are more often at odds with science and the pre-Covid understanding of how transmission works, or what infected means, and what the significance of symptoms are or aren’t. All of the provisions seem aimed at stoking fear, furthering divisions, and transforming this fear into an anger, but yet not at those who created the virus in a laboratory – as U.S. Senator Rand Paul has explained in hearings.

    Instead we are required in our obligatory two-minutes of hate, to redirect this weaponized anger at those who question the entire narrative.

    Indeed the hallmarks of fascism are abundant, even if in a very superficial and superstructural way the apparent ‘roles’ were reversed. Fascistic gangs (despite their leftist ideology) financed by big business in the form of Antifa and BLM ran rampant for a whole year, in protests that were 95% peaceful and 5% arson and murder. But going back to wiseguys and gangsters, maybe one only needs to take out 5% of adversaries to instill fear in the other 95%. On the streets it’s called ‘making an example’. ...

    ...So long as activists on the left and activists on the right are fighting over whether the Great Reset, lockdowns, and cyberterrorism is actually a capitalist plot or a communist plot, then it will be difficult for the public to organize an effective resistance to what this really all is: Evil.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:58am

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    acesovereggs said:

    "Should people at lower risk get the vaccine to reduce, at least somewhat, the danger to people at higher risk?" -- Now you have confused me.  I don't understand how anyone getting a shot is reducing the risk of anyone else, given the data that the shot doesn't prevent infection or spread.

    "Despite the fact that the supplement had many times the amount of vitamins c in the apple, the apple provided far more in vivo vitamins c benefit." -- Also, when you take vit C orally (as in with a supplement), your body can only absorb a certain (relatively small amount, compared to the size of some supplements) amount and the rest is eliminated.  If you really need a high dose of vit C in your system it has to be intravenously.

    I didn't watch this particular video but my personal opinion is that Chris and most of the community here most likely assumes a good diet as being part of personal terrain preparation and this would be the reason it's not emphasized very much.

    "Btw, if you released a virus to cause worldwide damage and you weren’t seeing that it was causing as much damage as you intended, what would you do?  You’d leak out other strains of the virus intentionally that were hopefully more damaging." -- It does seem a 'logical' outcome.  Are they trying to prep us? --- https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-deadlier-coronavirus-variant-a-realistic-possibility-sage-warns-12368798

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 11:12am

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    re Aussie outbreak

    As another Aussie, I have no objections to the government making vaccinations available to whomever wants to take them. Your body, your choice.

    However, I strongly object to the government lies about them: that you should take them to avoid infecting others, the lack of early and effective treatments or prophylaxis, that they're safe even for pregnant women and other high risk groups that were never included in the safety trials, of course they're safe long term we've got all the data and on and on. Also, the non-stop media mashing on the fear-porn/anti-vaxxer hate porn buttons to rev the population up into getting the vaccines and accepting the vaccine passports coming around October. The government and media have been harping about selfish young anti-vaxxers for months when the truth is until recently no vaccines have been available for under-40s without co-morbidities.

    Frankly, it sounds like the whole country is singing from a 6 month old Fauci hymn book when it comes to Covid hysteria.  Given that, I'm also less than trusting about the anecdotes about high levels of young people getting seriously sick with no pre-existing comorbities and no recent vaccinations. Maybe it's true but it sounds a lot like the Noble Lies that have been told overseas in the US and UK and then later found out. At the press conference on the 25th, the NSW Chief Health Officer stated in the Q&A that all of the hospitalised patients but 1 were fully vaccinated and the 1 had one shot. I think he meant it to sound reassuring...

    It's working, too, for the most part. The most gentle, truly Godly man I know mentioned that he wished the police had used rubber bullets on the protestors in Sydney. Nearly everyone I know has at least started their vaccinations, mostly out of 'duty' to bring the country out of lockdown and avoid infecting the vulnerable.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 11:36am

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    Propagating confusion is top of the list for psychological warfare.

    When everyone is confused it is infinitely easier to spread lies and manipulate people.

    We have been constantly lied to for so long now on everything from the mundane to the hugely important that the vast majority, at least everyone I come across in my life, refuses to even entertain the thought that they are being lied to. When I point out the lies they invariably say "why would they lie?.

    The net result of pointing out the lies is you are ostracized as a "conspiracy theorist" at best and imprisoned at worst. Look at Daniel Hale;

    Why Is No One Talking About Whistleblower Daniel Hale?

    My life is ruined because I won't ignore all the lies and live in the world of makebelieve.

    Cheers! jef

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 11:57am

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    I like a good alternative look at things. I think the risk/benefit of the vaccine is assuming a couple of things:

    1. You are in poor health or are old. Which I think you mentioned.
    2. You have no other options. You have not been able to prepare your terrain as Chris says it.

     

    There is still major confusion on the top medical websites as to what constitutes good nutrition, but the message that comes through is along the lines of, supplements may be necessary if your diet doesn’t contain the proper nutrients.

    Or... if you have genes that don't allow you to absorb as much essential vitamins and minerals from food. Or even if you can absorb them you cannot break them down into the building blocks you need.

    I am a poor absorber. I was low in D, K and A (from symptoms) and taking those vitamins in pill form wasn't making it better. When I took sublingual vitamins, all of those symptoms cleared up. When I got my DNA tested, I have a bunch of snps (gene alleles that don't work optimally) in the area of breaking down nutrients. So this sort of confirmed my supplementation hypothesis.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 12:03pm

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    Tealeaf10 said:

    Hi Chris, I am so glad to have found your community.  My brother told me about your podcasts in the early days of covid and I have been watching you since.  My only question on those articles is that the BLM were all outdoors, and the capitol riots were partially indoors…I assume they were talking about spreading occurring in the capitol building?  I agree though that this has been horribly politicized, my eyes have really been opened throughout this.

    thanks

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 12:13pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    I think there was a spike in cases in covid after both. In one situation, those cases were denied to be linked to the event. In the other case, they were said to be caused by the event.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 12:20pm

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    Alex Berenson banned from Twitter

    So, this professional science writer gets banned from twitter for his coverage of the Covid Vax topics.

    What was he writing about that triggered this?

    That the Pfizer Covid Vax did not reduce deaths:

    15 patients who received the vaccine died.

    14 who received the placebo died.

    Period.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 12:22pm

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    draconian Ontario

    Sorry to hear that you've been feeling low, Friedrichs_teeth. As a fellow Ontarian I hear you. The cumulative effect of the repeated lockdowns here is close to imprisonment and solitary isolation.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 12:30pm

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    Berenson banned...

    Crap..  He did anticipate that this would happen.  Alex had recommended that people find him on his substack when no longer on Twitter.  BTW, speaking of substack, Bret Weinstein and wife Heather Heying, co-hosts of the DarkHorse podcast, have published an epic piece on their substrack that defends chemical prophylaxis and natural immunity, while taking a very realistic view of the vaccines.  Worth reading and maybe printing out or forwarding to friends who don't understand;

    https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/on-driving-sars-cov2-extinct

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 12:36pm

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    Shplad said:

    Chris:

    Interesting post, but why is this an open and shut case?

    Wasn't the Capitol raid largely indoors?

    Weren't most of the BLM demos outdoors?

    Weren't most of the Capitol raiders right-leaning, and therefore less likely

    to wear masks?

    Weren't the BLM demos left-leaning and therefore at least some were more likely to wear masks?

    Pls. explain what I'm missing.

     

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 12:48pm

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    6 month Study says Pfizer Vax is safe

    I wanted to put the other side of the argument here clearly as well.  Previously I would tell friends "there are no published studies of vaccine safety."    But now there are.

    Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine

    From the abstract

    Methods: In an ongoing, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, multinational, pivotal efficacy study, 44,165 ≥16-year-old participants and 2,264 12-15-year-old participants were randomized to receive 2 doses, 21 days apart, of 30 µg BNT162b2 or placebo.

    Results: BNT162b2 continued to be safe and well tolerated. Few participants had adverse events leading to study withdrawal. VE [S/P note--effectiveness or efficacy?] against COVID-19 was 91% (95% CI 89.0‒93.2) through up to 6 months of follow-up, among evaluable participants and irrespective of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    Conclusion: With up to 6 months of follow-up and despite a gradually declining trend in vaccine efficacy, BNT162b2 had a favorable safety profile and was highly efficacious in preventing COVID-19. (ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728)

    -----

    Then, as emphasized by Alex Berenson and Covid19Crusher, there was no decrease in mortality (even though a 90% decrease in infections).  What is going on?

    ---

    So my take is more confusion.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 12:55pm

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    You gotta love Pierre Kory....

    "We blew up our careers because history demanded it".  Indeed, it is asking a lot of all of us who are awake to the truth.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 1:02pm

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    Six-month Pfizer study

    Then, as emphasized by Alex Berenson and Covid19Crusher, there was no decrease in mortality (even though a 90% decrease in infections). What is going on?

    It took me a few minutes to figure out what this means. In other words, per infected person, the number of mortalities is extremely high. Am I understanding that correctly? Could that be a sign of ADE I wonder?

    Edit: I just read through the study, though I haven't studied it carefully yet. The cause of the deaths in both the vaccinated and placebo groups are not stated directly in the study report, but someone posted them below (I don't know where this info comes from). They don't appear to be caused by CV19 in most cases. However, the infection fatality rate (IFR) for those who were vaccinated far exceeds the IFR for the placebo group. Having said that, the study is probably too small to conclude that will hold for the general population.

    **Another interesting thing to note is how few people overall actually got Covid in the placebo group. For such a transmissible disease, one would expect more people to be infected. I noted the same phenomenon in the original phase III clinical trial: The percentage of infections was way below that of the general population. Very odd.**

    The authors state that there were no signs of vaccine-mediated disease enhancement (same thing as ADE presumably).

    From this study, it can indeed be concluded that the vaccine reduces the number of people facing serious adverse events from CV19. However -- big caveat here -- almost all of the placebo group participants were given the vaccine after the study finished (which is apparently a condition of the emergency authorization agreement), so just as per the main phase III clinical trial, these people have now been lost to future follow-ups on potential long-term effects!

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 1:04pm

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    Reply to Sandpuppy #43

    We should remember that the "effectiveness" of the vaccines presented to the masses is also a lie.  "Relative effectiveness"  which is the usual value given is significantly different than the 'absolute effectiveness."  Absolute effectiveness is the value that should be used in decision making.  Absolute effectiveness for the vaccines is about 1 %. From a previous post somewhere on the forum:

    https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-jason-loken-nd-the-manipulation-of-numbers-and-informed-consent_OMZnLNEoWWlrFR8.html

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 1:09pm

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    Berenson banned

    Not permanent (yet) - first time he got the standard 12 hour ban (which I've also been the recipient of), this one is for a week. I expect a permanent ban won't be too far off.

    Not that I'm condoning twitter's behavior (I'm becoming increasingly tired of their bs), but given everything/everyone else that has been banned, I'm surprised he has lasted this long.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 1:35pm

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    That Crazy Guy on the Melissa Tate Post

    Thanks dryam2000

    I am amazed that some people's intuition spot a pattern months and years before it is obvious to most people.  This guy, retrospectively, was a visionary.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 1:56pm

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    DaveDD said:

    The last sentence reminds me of this diamond of Stacy Herbert. One of the profound truths I learned later in life…

     

     

     

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 2:03pm

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    girlflower said:

    A few weeks ago, I asked the Infectious Control Dept in my hospital what was the cycle threshold used in the PCR Covid-19 swab test at the start of the pandemic and now. I was told the dept has decided that this was not to be reported. I explained to that doctor why it was impt to know the number. She told me mine was a good question and would get back to me.

    After a few days, she came back to me basically saying nothing abt the cycle threshold numbers and asked me to check with my manager if I have any more questions.

    They know they are caught red-handed and could not reveal the numbers. I am going to see what my manager and union can and would do.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 2:05pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    And when they say 95% relative effectiveness, what they mean is a 95% relative effectiveness in lowering mild to moderate symptoms. Nothing about death reductions, nothing about hospitalizations. Just a reduction of symptoms in people that had a mild to moderate case.

    *the msm just filled our heads with the rest

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 2:12pm

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    Wow Dr. Kory 💪🏻

    I love that guy more than ever now!!!! Unassailable principles on full display for all the world to see - my kind of person! 👍👍👍👍👍

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 2:21pm

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    Fantastic symposium by Doctors for Covid Ethics

    The Doctors for Covid Ethics held a symposium over the last two days. There were more than a score of excellent speakers covering all aspects of the pandemic.

    It was entitled:
    Gold Standard Covid Science in Practice
    An Interdisciplinary Symposium
    calling for immediate intervention

    Presented by Doctors for Covid Ethics
    Hosted by UK Column

    Attached is the programme (or program!) for the event. Click on the titles of the presentations to be taken to a video of that segment.
    Feel free to share this widely; it is such a wonderful resource of high quality information endorsing what Chris has been saying for so long and giving detailed, scientific explanations and data.
    The segment "The Fatal Lockdowns—A dialogue with Stefan Homburg & Sucharit Bhakdi" failed unfortunately and the two final segments of Session II run together but otherwise it is all there.

    Program_Online_Symposium_D4CE_July29-30 with links

    Enjoy!

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 2:23pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    It took me a few minutes to figure out what this means. In other words, per infected person, the number of mortalities is extremely high. Am I understanding that correctly? Could that be a sign of ADE I wonder?

    I don't think that is what the numbers say.  What they say is that the two groups (vaxxed and unvaxxed) had about the same number of deaths after 6 months. For example the vaxxed group had 4 fatal heart attacks and the unvaxxed group had only one. There were weird things in the causes of death in the vaxxed column. One person's cause of death was death another's cause of death was "missing"

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 2:35pm

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    But why?

    All these unscientific claims that are changed in a matter of weeks are just a matter of incapable experts and a declining West dystopia, or are planned in order to promote the new era of our Western dystopia that has arrived?

    Eg the "its just a flue", then the "we dont have to close the airports" and the "herd immunity" though unsterilising vaxx are clearly purposeful and possibly criminal acts.

    But the mask thing, or the "u must vax to protect urself" could be just part of the Western failure to handle appropriately the crisis.

    Submission and the "great Reset bullshit" are clearly the main aims of the whole pandemic management.  But the question is if also all this expert flip-flopping is happening on purpose so all our current institutions become totally deligitamized in order to be replaced by our Brave new World.

    Who will trust doctors that fully bent the knee to this crazy central narrative that changes every Month?

    Who will trust politicians and judges that accept and promote mandatory experimental vaccination with non sterilising vaxxes and totally useless qr coding system of surveilance.

    Of course then what will replace these institutions? Multinationals and NGOs? Possibly but i think that this it's not exactly the answer.

    I think a possible answer is that the main goal in their crazy minds is the transformation to the to the transhumanism era. So human institutions will be replaced  by institutions(multinationals and NGOs) that serve transhumanism and the blinded elites wont longer be affected by the masses since the masses will be replaced by robots.

    All this "hybris" probably will blowback sooner or later with probably catastrophic effects. The higher level of system complexity, makes the System even more vulnerable to subtle changes.

    Eg vaccinating the entire Planet with one mediocre unsterilising vax, is increasing the risk for a lethal variant that will hit exactly all these not-properly immunized population. Of course that's possibly a fear mongering scenario but in fact it s also a realistic possibility.

    Also in the post covid era they might want to change the meaning of being healthy. Everyone is possibly a Carrier so noone is healthy unless proven with a test (for a day) or with a vaccine freedom-pass(sic). YOU CANT BE HEALTHY AND SAFE WITHOUT THE VAXX.

    Anyways, the West decline is inevitable since the third world is rising. But the dystopia isnt inevitable. For sure as Chris say, it shouldnt be like this.

    **Short notice from bankrupt Greece.

    Covaxxines are mandatory for people in the broad health sector from September

    There is some uprising against them and the vaccine passports though not totally massive. Unfortunately 12 years of continuous economic austerity, made submission much more prevalent.

    Personally, i wont have the vaccine even if i have to at least for now be left without work.

    Despite the mandates, and the Massive pressure that everyone must be ticked with a needle, the vaccinated population has frozen around 50-55% (there is a question though if the true greek population is lower that the official since hundred of thousands have migrated from 2011 when the last population count happened)

    Brace yourselves. The winter has arrived

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 3:10pm

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    Outdoor rallies

    The news covered many if not most Trump outdoor rallies as super spreader events too. It wasn't just the capital. I remember the disparity between coverage and my stomach hurting thinking about it.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 3:24pm

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    Gotta love Pierre Kory

    Pierre Kory, MD MPA
    @PierreKory
    "Andy, STOP. Seriously, you are causing untold deaths man. For another WHO paycheck in the future? WTF. Me and Tess have both blown up our careers because history demanded it. Your fake cautiousness is the saddest shit I’ve ever seen. Fuck you. And that is putting it mildly." Pierre Kory
     He should be addressing Hill's post and avoid smearing his character. It's a very bad look.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 3:39pm

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    Insider information?

    My mom's family is French and she talked to her brother on the phone this morning. His daughter (my cousin) is a doctor in France. None of them wanted to get the jab but basically they have to soon in order to grocery shop, work, travel, etc. Apparently my cousin also said that big lockdowns were coming to France in Oct/Nov this fall. If this is true, how could this be known in advance unless it was planned? I hope it's not true but I wouldn't be surprised and only time will tell.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 3:45pm

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    Thanks

    Beautifully put. Peace hmmmmm.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 4:02pm

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    Replying to Just another reminder that these are real people being harmed by the mRNA vaccines (#11)

    Absolutely.  This is the most important comment in this thread.

    This week I attended a memorial for a friend who suddenly dropped dead at the age of 54.  Her husband had just retired early and they planned to travel as soon as the travel restrictions were lifted.  I sat beside her husband at the dinner and he shared that a few days before she died she had received a Pfizer Covid shot.  He met with the doctor afterwards to discuss this connection but 'the doctor didn't want to know'.  He could have pushed for an autopsy but he wasn't able to cope with 'having her opened up', and said it wouldn't bring her back anyway.

    I also know of people in the so-called 'at risk' group who were living their life just fine and then coerced to get one of these shots, and did not make it.  The frail elderly folks and those with co-morbidities are not people who should get these shots, because their bodies can't cope with them, and/or they can't cope with being exposed to Covid19  afterwards.

    Quite honestly, I think that anyone who is still asking if they should get a Covid shot, or which one is best, doesn't understand the question.  And they have not been reading all the excellent links being shared on this site recently.  My head is still spinning from all the revelations made by doctors and other experts in these videos in the last couple of weeks.

    The reality is that we will not know for a few years whether these shots were safe or not.  For the survivors of the Covid shots, we will not know the extent of damage done to their bodies, and if it goes away with time or not, and the impact on the next generation born to recipients of the shots.  Any studies or observations as to safety at this time are pure speculation in my opinion.

    In the meantime, I agree with dryam that we all need to do what it takes to avoid catching Covid19.  Some people are claiming that there isn't any pandemic, based on the fact that many more millions of deaths have not happened.  This assumption totally ignores the damages sustained by survivors of the virus.  And again, we will not know until some future date how many more millions of people have been killed by the spike protein and the other aspects of this virus.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 4:03pm

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    No,

    I think Chris has shown quite clearly that the vaxxed are just as able to spread COVID as the unvaxxed. That’s why it’s relevant to point out they are non-sterilising surely?

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 4:25pm

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    Thank you for your post JWhite....

    Thank you for the personal story of loss due to vaccine.  As I stated a week or two ago in another thread, I personally know of two deaths that were obviously vaccine related, one young man (son) in his 20's and a father in his 40's.  These were local deaths in the greater Portland Chinese/American (Wechat connected) community of which my wife is a part.  I spoke to the mother who lost her son and it was heartbreaking.

    The story you related about the doctor not wanting to engage is happening over and over again, as doctors are generally in a terrorized state regarding saying or doing anything that could be interpreted as, "anti-Vax".

    If you look at the testimonials collected on this website, you will see that maybe 1/3 of them sound the same theme... they feel orphaned by a medical system that will show them no sympathy.  A medical system that often blames them for their dilemmas.. telling them that neurological symptoms are, "all in their head".  Indeed.

    https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/real-testimonials.html

    What an incredibly sad state of affairs.

    I noted that the Biden admin within the last 24 hours seems to have backed off their talk of a national vaccine mandate.  My guess is that they realized this would awake the sleepy beast that is the remainder of the US population that actually appreciates their Freedom.  They see what is happening in Britain and France and they backed off.. for now.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 4:39pm

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    Tealeaf10 said:

    I am wondering the same, especially regarding the indoors/outdoors issue…and this was when the alpha strain was circulating and outdoors was pretty safe

     

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 4:40pm

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    How much are vaccines costing taxpayers?

    No one has said anything about how much all these vaccines are costing the taxpayers.

    No one has said anything about how much profit these corporations are making off all these vaccine purchases.  And what about the stockholders?   What about their dividends?

    It was during the early l980's the medical model began changing to an administrative model.  I know, as my father was a surgeon sitting on the hospital board.  I would watch him come home in ever increasing bad moods.  So much so, he told me that if I had any inclination to go into medicine, he would discourage me.  After asking why, he replied that medicine is no longer medicine.  It's becoming a business.   He would later resign his chairmanship because he was so disgusted at what was replacing medicine.

    The way I understand the facts I have seen over the past 50 years is everything is about money first.  The "there's no treatment for you," was/is a decision to refuse covid treatment for people with already established drugs like Ivermectin, etc., because of how much money would be made on vaccines.  And then later in new antiviral drugs which will be purchased over-the-counter.  It is market control for profit.  Also, drug companies like "chronic diseases," as they receive constant income/profits.  Why find cures for anything when that stops the profits?  Better to keep everyone hooked like addicts.  We are seeing what economist/author Naomi Klein calls disaster capitalism at its best all through covid-19 mess.

    How much have we the taxpayers spent so far to date on all these vaccines?  Like all the rest of the cheap products, the life of the products purposely end very quickly, so the consumer has to buy another one in a short time.

    In Israel, the efficacy rate has dropped to 16% for those vaccinated with Pfizer shot in January 2121.  (Israel only purchased Pfizer vaccines)  As a natural next step, Pzizer points this out and has already put in an application to the FDA, requesting a booster shot.

    It's all about profits and dividends, not about health and it is all very obvious with their policies and rhetoric.

    As an American taxpayer, I'd like to know how much we've spent.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 4:42pm

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    LeMon3 said:

    sorry, typo, that should read "over 70s"

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 5:24pm

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    Symposium: Thanks Andy!

    Andy, so good to see you offering a thumbs-up on the symposium! I watched both segments Thursday and Friday and found it thrilling to see all the issues rolling around in my head layed out in such organized presentations.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 5:49pm

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    German newspaper apologizes for Covid deception

    https://www.brighteon.com/a1e21534-3c8f-4a2a-b345-0646ec351ee4  short 2 minute video.

    More leaks in the increasingly leaky govt propaganda & lies dam 👍

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 6:45pm

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    DaveDD said:

    Nah, I don’t think so, only the blind cannot see that new lockdowns and severe repression is coming. I indeed think that there is no ground for fear anymore, but now we will suffer from the “political covid”. In all honesty, I do not care anymore why, or who the bad actors are. This will get ugly before it will get better. Better focus on preparation, a support community of likeminded people, active or passive resistance. Alea iacta est, the die has been cast, a new situation has arisen…

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 7:48pm

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    Italians politicians resort to fisticuffs.

    God Bless the Italians!

    Here they resort to fisticuffs in their parliament. (This is what happens if you attack our prime value.)

    Chaos Erupts in Italian Parliament Over Vaccine Passport Plans: ‘No Green Pass’

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 8:43pm

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    Nice guys finish last...

    @Alevezpopinov - while I can see why you say Dr. Kory should engage with Dr. Hill, he has been doing exactly that kind of thing for the past 18 months... taking the high road, being beyond professional, bringing forth countless studies and evidence, along with tireless passion, all the while actively saving lives and agonizing over those who are needlessly dying. Quite frankly, I am surprised he has remained so stoic for this long!

    At some point the gloves have to come off... one can only be repressed so much before they start to fight back. I'd like to see a whole lot more people showing that level of 🤬 Maybe then the battle would tilt in our favour.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 8:47pm

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    Yes!!

    Thanks for sharing, Arthur! Gonna copy that and send to my useless MP!

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 8:51pm

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    Replying to Thank you for your post JWhite.... (#62)

    Jim – I’m sorry I didn’t see your post in the other thread and I’m very sorry to hear of the deaths of these young people that you knew.  It really is a tragedy, and of course no mother expects to have to bury her child.  I read some of those testimonials and it does seem that many patients are not getting help.  I agree with you about the current pressure on doctors and I also think in many cases they simply don’t know what to do with these patients who are presenting with clear neurological symptoms, sudden cardiac or clotting issues etc. due to the Covid shots.  Perhaps they are also concerned about being held responsible if they recommend a treatment that fails…  In any case, when in doubt, blame the patient.

    The insidious thing about these shots is that people are being given the impression that they will now be safe and their lives can again be normal.  My family on both sides all have their jabs, including the younger people, the youngest of whom was recently taken immediately after her 12th birthday. Meanwhile, a number of them are now complaining they have no energy, my mother is walking around in what she calls a ‘brain fog’ and she can no longer remember any of her children’s birthdays, and another relative blacked out while driving on the highway a couple days after his jab.  When he regained consciousness he was driving down the highway at a very high speed and by the grace of god he didn’t crash into anyone.

    Perhaps doubts about these shots can only really take hold on a massive scale when people experience or witness for themselves what the various effects are.  I’m very glad to hear the Biden administration is backing down on vaccine mandates at present.  I’m in Europe and hoping the push back here continues as well.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 9:21pm

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    Doubts setting in may be wishful thinking - wish it were not so!

    JWhite: thanks for posting and you comment. So sorry to hear of what is going on in your family. I found the following thought interesting:

    Perhaps doubts about these shots can only really take hold on a massive scale when people experience or witness for themselves what the various effects are.

    James Corbett speaks to this idea in his interview with Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, Corona Investigative Committee session 54, found here. His take was more an opposing view, e.g. the majority are so brainwashed that even in spite of adverse events and deaths, most still think the shot is a good thing. He points to how people have bought into the propaganda that if they do not feel well after the shot that means it is working, or if someone dies, they still did the right thing. It is total insanity, in every sense of the word.

    Both James and Reiner agree that there is no point wasting any more time on the 80% or so who are in that camp - it is hopeless. We can't save everyone. We are far better off to focus on the rest of the 20% or so that are open to questioning and critical thinking. They concluded with the need to focus on building grassroots alternative ways of living, which is what Chris and many here are advocating for.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 9:42pm

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    Undoubtedly true

    If you think back to how long (and deadly) it took for the 'its just the flu' narrative to die back.  As well as the significant percentage of the population who wont take the jab just based on rumors, without developing a significant understanding of the pro/con of the vaccine.

    You are correct about the pro vaccine people not changing their minds. Unless the vaccine turns way deadly (down the road), there will be no reason to change ones mind.

    Only time will tell, but largely this ship sailed months ago for the developed countries.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 9:57pm

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    Thanks Chris your doing a great job. willing to pay with silver if i can get ivermectin

    The politicians seem intent on increasing fear and anxiety among population and will not allow any potential cures for COVID-19 to be prescribed by Doctors in Australia .Prohibited by TGA.. we do not allow any potential cures for COVID-19 to be sold on eBay. We have therefore prohibited the sale of products that contain Ivermectin on all eBay sites. willing to pay with silver if i can get ivermectin

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:03pm

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    European Adverse Vaccine Events for Maderna Vax

    Thanks Disco Bear and DavidDD for showing me this database and how to use it.

    I truly don't know what to make of all of this.  Europe has an EU wide adverse event reporting system way more detailed than the US VAERS system.  More than half of the reports are by health care professionals, unlike the VAERS which is primarily reports by lay people.

    So when a professional says that they think a death is vaccine related, this caries a fair amount of weight with me.

    EudraVigilance

    Adverse Drug Reaction Reports   -- https://www.adrreports.eu/en/index.html

    follow the link to Covid vaccines in the middle of the page and "accept" the disclaimer.

    Click the letter "C" (for COVID)

    Scroll down to COVID-19  MRNA VACCINE MODERNA

    And click that link to go to reports on that one vaccine.

    We see that there are 84,000 reports on this vaccine in the database, that most are from healthcare providers.

    Across the top of the page are tabs.  On the right, choose arrow that takes you to the last tab labeled "Line Listing."

    You now have a window with lots of drop down menus.  Choose the one drop down labeled "Report Suspected Reaction".  In that drop down you get a search box. At the bottom choose "more."  In the next search box type "death"  and uncheck the box "match case".  Choose "death".    "Right arrow."  "OK"  and the bottom "Run line report"

    Now wait.  takes a while to load your report.

    One page loads with 25 line items (one line for each patient).

    At the bottom are some blue arrows.  Click these until you get to the bottom of the report.

    You find 1773 individual reports of death that someone thought was due to the vaccine.   Over half the reports were from healthcare professionals.

    ----

    At the very bottom are several small commands, one of which is "export."  Chose this, then "Excel" when the popup menu appears.

    Your computer then downloads this table of 1773 patients in excel format.

    Double click on the downloaded file so that it opens in excel.

    Scroll to the bottom of the "A" column.  click in the cell and type:  =COUNTA(A3:A14276) . "Enter."  This cell counts the entries in column A, one per patient.  Returns 1773.

    Summary:

    Moderna 1,773 reported deaths.

    Pfizer has 1,217 deaths

    Astrazeneca 593 deaths.

    Jansen 144 deaths

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    So I am at a loss when someone reports the vaccine is safe and well tolerated.  What is going on here?

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:30pm

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    More on the Jotnar, (Or Jotan if you prefer)

    The True Indigenous people of Southern Africa are the Khoi, not the aBantu.

    But an interesting wrinkle in the story is that they Do have Neanderthal genes and they had fat tailed sheep which are also found in Siberia. (Takehome: Our knowledge about humanities history is woefully inaccurate.)

    I trust that you will transfer your loyalty from the aBantu to the Khoi. as the aBantu are exterminating the Khoi.

    Khoi King Koebaha declared everything south of the Orange River to be Khoi territory, in a declaration to the United Nations. He crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's under supervision of a Professor of International Law. His case was water-tight.

    It was studiously ignored by everybody as they are totally ignorant of Southern African history.

    In fact the Khoi have justifiable claim to everything south of the Zambesi.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:32pm

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    Replying to Doubts setting in may be wishful thinking - wish it were not so! (#73)

    Thanks Jan for your nice sentiments, and perhaps you are right and I am wrong that more people may start to change their outlook about the vaccines.

    I’m aware of the brainwashing most people, including many of those practicing medicine, have been subjected to and how strong their beliefs are, and of course I’m well aware of Chris’s excellent proposals and those of the PP community regarding living life going forward.

    Your comments seem to imply that you think my statement was coming from a place of activism, in terms of trying to change all these people.  To clarify, it was merely an observation that often, people don’t see what is happening until it happens to them, or to a loved one.  I suspect many people continue to think these shots are great and they overlook deaths and serious adverse events because these things happen to strangers they have never met.  We all talk about number of deaths as if they are only a statistic.  But personally, I’m seeing that people are Pissed Off about getting Covid after being ‘fully vaccinated’.  Also, I wasn’t really thinking about the people who ‘didn’t feel well’ for a couple of days after their jab.  I was thinking more about people who end up with Stage 4 Parkinsons symptoms, or who go blind or deaf, or who are no longer able to do sports, those who are suddenly in a wheelchair or in the hospital with heart failure etc. after their shots.  These people and their families are having doubts and are experiencing distrust in the system, especially when they can’t get medical help.  Going forward, if some of the possibilities involving Prion disease and blood clots (leading to death within 3 years), miscarriages and other adverse effects become larger realities, it’s possible more people will say No to the upcoming booster shots and new ‘vaccines’ that we are likely to be presented with in future (for the subsequent pandemics).  But we shall see what the future holds….

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:38pm

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    Normally I would agree with you...

    but these are not normal times. Go PK.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 11:25pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    It's like that in Canada too. But I was able to get horse paste. Yumm

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 11:54pm

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    Sorry I did not infer activism

    JWhite, sorry if I confused you. I was not implying any activism on changing minds, even though I myself am still guilty of doing that. It is exceedingly hard for me to not say anything to people in the hopes of getting them to wake up.

    It is probably fair to say all of us here would like nothing more than to enlighten those who have bought into the narrative. And no doubt we all try in various ways, mostly without success. I wish it were not so. I will keep trying when I see the right kind of openings, but by and large I think we are going to have to see how this plays out. And hope it is does not end up as catastrophic as some hypotheses indicate.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 12:36am

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    Rats in a Cage vs. The Milgram Study

    I agree we are all rats in a cage, but we mustn't forget or ignore the Milgram Study.  The Milgram Study underscored people's propensity to follow authority - especially when they felt absolved of any consequences or responsibility for the outcome and if the test subject was physically removed from the 'student' with 62-65% of these test subjects administering a lethal dose of electricity.

    Yes, we're all lab rats, but some of us rats are the "teachers" and some of us rats are the "students"   from the Milgram Study.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZYx0OvMWrdfG/

    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/milgram.htm

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 12:43am

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    Thanks for the visual

    As I was scrolling up reading these headlines side by side, so many of them!  I started thinking.... who posted this?  Chris?  And sure enough, our Intel Scout has been fast at work!!

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 12:50am

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    A Madman too!

    This is the same guy that was sitting in his car and got surrounded by many police, lots of police cars.  He would not come out of the car and was live streaming the whole event and literally screaming every time they came near him!  I guess the LEO's figured this was really bad press, and backed off.  When they left, it was like a parade.

    Later he was dodging a warrant and getting hidden while trying to travel across Canada to attend a protest.  Not sure what's happening to him now.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 12:55am

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    MD's....

    Some of them really care about their patients and don't want to watch them die.  So MD's should remain "professional" even when people are dying needlessly?

    MD's are people too.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 1:04am

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    Payload for Pharma

    JimH,  recently  read dozens and dozens of stories from vaccine injured people and it didn't take long to realize what a payload this is for pharma.  Soooooooo many of these people are now on many different kinds of medications ranging from pain meds, blood pressure, steroids, migraine meds, inflammation meds and on and on.  Soooooooo many of them had to have multiple medical interventions, referrals to specialists, and the necessity for many medical devices.

    Can't wait to see the data comparing previous years to post vaxxed years.

     

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 1:18am

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    Looting?

    During the protests a lot of rioting took place and a lot of looting.  Lots of people were cramming in together through tight spaces and storming stores.  On 1/6, most of the crowd stayed outside.  The halls of the capital building were not jammed up with people during the trespass, actually maybe not even as much as all those looted stores.

    If you can't see the psyop in all those side by side headlines, not sure what else to say.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 1:29am

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    ummmm

    Speechless here.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 3:01am

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    DaveDD said:

    Chris once mentioned a mechanism in one of his videos. I forgot which one. I know this as the Semmelweis effect. It is a cognitive bias,

    The Semmelweis reflex or “Semmelweis effect” is a metaphor for the reflex-like tendency to reject new evidence or new knowledge because it contradicts established norms, beliefs or paradigms.

    It is very instructive btw to know our “scientific past”. Here a short overview.  An easy description of the first three can be found here (link). Btw: one can also find opinions why these persons were rightfully ignored, written by, indeed,  “scientists”. The process of science is rational and fact driven right? Wrong, from a far distance it is the driving force, but on a human timescale, it is utterly politicized. Even Max Planck knew this, hence his remark that science progresses one funeral at a time. Most of us have been deeply brainwashed…

    • Semmelweis: found a way to reduce the number of deaths under for women giving birth. Strangely enough, the deathrate was higher when doctors-to-be delivered the babies. Washing hands was not a standard practice those days; he introduced the “handwashing”, but of course, everybody knew that illness was caused by bad air. He ended his life in an asylumn.
    • Boltzmann, my hero, the founding father of statistical mechanics  —a precursor of quantum mechanics—  commited suicide. No one wanted to accept his ideas which are now mainstream
    • Mendel, yeah, that pea guy with an opinion about genetics. He was fully ignored by the “scientific community”. Everbody knew that his ideas were moronic, and Darwin was all the rage at those days
    • Alfred Wegener: moving continents, the craziest idea ever. Even now he is degraded by Wikipedia. Read this instead (link).

    on and on and on. My stance is this: I’m very wary of “scientists” and very smart people that are extremely popular. Simply because the majority is incapable of accepting and integrating new information… History has proven that the least popular are more often than not the founding fathers, or mothers(!), of truly new and useful insights; you know, the people who got burned on the stakes…

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 3:08am

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    still disappointing

    PP articles still disappoint.  The rhetoric is still antiestablishment but tends now towards the populist extreme.  Its like the authors woke up yesterday and only just discovered how badly politicians and leaders manage things.

     

    Criticism has it's place but where are the constructive solution-offerings that would claim protection from disease, greed, corruption and crime.  And would those solutions, by yet another manager, be any better or more effective and organised than the ones we have now.

     

    The wise man understands the psychology of the people the alarmist just criticises it.

     

     

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 4:34am

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    Good stuff

    A lot of good stuff on the video, Chris. Most of it I agree with. I'm not sure you characterised what is happening in Australia very well, given their context, but the rest leaves one bewildered.

    The vaccines seem fairly safe but I don't know how one does the risk assessment. Someone pointed out figures on adverse events after vaccination but even if all of them could be attributed to the vaccines it's still a tiny proportion of the vaccinated. As it seems to limit the impacts of the disease, then the risk seems worth it, but I'm not sure how to evaluate it. I've had the vaccine anyway (Pfizer) and I only had a day long adverse reaction to the second dose and don't know anyone else, personally, who has had a bad reaction other than feeling a bit under the weather for a day, though even that seems rare.

    I have no idea what the end game for governments is but, thanks to the UK, we will see how one strategy works out.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 5:36am

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    WendySpencer said:

    a very good article everyone can listen to music at klingeltöne android 

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 6:09am

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    And so it begins

    If one looks at the VAERS data, the vaccines in the short-term are not safe.  The long-term effects still unknown, with many knowledgeable physicians, virologists, and scientists sounding the warning alarms.  The "government" and "injustice" department have taken their stance to force vaccines with other large corporate entities now following suit  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/walt-disney-co-will-mandate-covid-vaccines-u-s-workers-n1275572  The lawsuits had better get cranked up or we will soon find our freedoms and liberty lost.

    I pray the vaccines are safe as some contend, but what if they are not?  The precipice is upon us, time is short.  There is no confusion here, people are being forced to take a still unproven jab or lose their jobs, their livelihoods, and perhaps all they've worked for their entire lives.   Truth, justice, and freedom are fast becoming memes.  If we take our freedoms for granted, they will soon be lost.  Psalm 119 seems in order.   God grant us Your wisdom in dealing with this.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 6:59am

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    VAERS

    Remember that VAERS is not a database of vaccine effects, only a database of events that may have occurred shortly after receiving the vaccine.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 7:19am

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    coincidence!

    sofistek-

    Remember that VAERS is not a database of vaccine effects, only a database of events that may have occurred shortly after receiving the vaccine.

    1) If you die following a positive COVID test, you were most definitely killed by COVID, no matter how many co-morbidities you had.  Saying otherwise: you're an anti-science COVID denier!

    2) If you die following a COVID vaccine - that's just coincidence, because people die all the time.  Correlation is not causation.  Saying otherwise: you're just an anti-vaxxer!

    New Science!  Follow, or be cancelled.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 7:39am

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    WestCoastJan... AGREE

    I consider myself to also be a pretty conservative, constrained citizen however I must admit, after the last 2 years of bullshit we have witnessed and countless deaths.... I'm also done just like Kory.... This is not time to be contained and civil.  WE ARE AT WAR.... as Chris stated, "3 times is enemy action"!!!  It's time for the silent to WTFU and stand up!  If we don't NOW, what's the whole point of collecting all this data and making observations.....SO WHAT??? If you can't take action, it's all for nothing and time is now.    I like Chris's idea of a "3rd party"..... it's time for ACTION and enough with the political theatre.. we don't have time for that anymore.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 8:21am

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    Chris, please be more compassionate

    I'm another Aussie who is not at all impressed by how this crisis is being handled. That said, and with respect, I think that at times you are needlessly harsh and abrasive. This attitude is divisive rather than constructive.

    Yes, Australia has been basking in the sun for far too long. Yes, we have prospered and lived very well (except for too many indigenous people) as much by good luck as by good management. We've not been called the Lucky Country for no reason.

    Our politicians are clearly baffled and many seem out of their depth. They strike me as scared, so are their constituents, and it shows. With one exception I don't know of a single medico in any parliament, federal or state; so many are lawyers or career politicians. Hence they necessarily take advice from medical specialists, and if those medicos are providing wrong and/or biased and/or mendacious advice, then what's the average politician to do?

    If the press and academics all sing "vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, all other treatments are obscene" then the average pollie will join in the chorus. Has to.

    Years ago Paul Hellyer, the Deputy PM of Canada under the first Trudeau, came to Australia on a lecture tour, warning about the problems and pitfalls of the globalist agenda. He spoke to a standing-room only audience in a large lecture theatre at the ANU. He told us that one of the hardest things he ever had to do was stand in front of a roomful of experts and tell them collectively, "You are wrong." Sorry, but I can't see any of our current pollies doing this.

    Yes, point out faults and flaws and shortcomings, but please try to be more constructive about it. Nastiness only drives one's opponent into a corner and ends debate. Re-read Boghossian's book!

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 8:38am

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    DaveDD said:

    Ummm, beter be smart than dead is one of my mottos. There is a plethora of good books and articles about resistance. I know there are some people here with military and/or intelligence background. Maybe they can chip in.

    Effective battles are almost never frontal, especially not against a more powerful opponent. The goals is not to die in the first confrontation while reveling in the knowledge of being right. That is just plain stupid, heroic for sure, but imo: good riddance, completely useless drones. The tactics, the strategy, the logistics, assessment of the terrain, the opponents, once own strength and weaknesses, resources etc, all come into play. Furthermore, it can be strategic to lie down for a while and let play things out, test the opponents strengths, moves, resolve.  Additionally, there are many forms of resistance: from fighting, burning and maiming to creating support networks, information networks, “massaging” those institutions that are supposed to defend our rights, cough, journalists, cough, and/or prepping for a better future; because that future will come for sure…

    in times like these, emotions are counterproductive…

     

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 9:01am

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    Reply to sofistek

    "Remember that VAERS is not a database of vaccine effects, only a database of events that may have occurred shortly after receiving the vaccine."

    Remember too that there have been 518,769 reports of adverse reactions to the vaccines and 11,940 deaths attributed to the vaccines, this in the US alone.  The numbers in Europe which are likely more accurate than those in the US reflect similar adverse events and deaths.  There should have been required reporting by all physicians and follow-up of all self-reported incidents if we wanted to have an accurate picture of adverse events.  This could have been done but wasn't.   We have been lied to and intentionally misled in virtually all aspects of the scamdemic.  Forgive me if I don't trust the "powers to be" when they say the "vaccines" which aren't vaccines, are safe (which they aren't) and effective (which they aren't).  When people lie to me I have no reason to trust anything they say.  I respect an individuals' choice to take the jab if they so choose, however to take it on data that is intentionally misleading and false and to be coerced and forced into taking the jab crosses the line.  Remember this is an "experimental vaccine"  I and most of my family will remain part of the control group, try as they may to force us into the jab.  I pray all those taking the jab (including my daughter who was pressured and coerced) remain safe, healthy, and have no long term issues.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 9:03am

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    "still disappointing: .. where are the constructive solution-offerings...."

    pgp
    I read your posting several times.  Some of us here are searching for a higher plane of action.  I think that we should develop a personal confidential communication system, behind which we can address what you refer to as "the constructive solution-offerings that would claim protection from disease, greed, corruption and crime..."

    I am tempted to list the problems of  the existing American empire system, which has irrevocably degenerated into money worship ruled by bankers, and then list out solutions proposed by others.

    But I cant find many practical "constructive solution-offerings" that simultaneously address the big problem of a spent, energy limited planet with a collapsing biosphere, and the smaller problem of the collapse of the American empire.

    1. The China Alternative Many young people in the U.S. are pining for "communism" or "Marxism" or "socialism" out of their desperation.  The Chinese Communist Party promotes an alternative vision wherein people work very hard but wherein hundreds of millions are rewarded by moving from poverty into a vibrant middle class.  Your life is monitored and limited by the internet of things, particularly cell phones.

    2. The American/Australian/European neofeudal alternative where you will own nothing and be happy, via algorithms that constantly monitor and micro manage your behavior, using digital currency and health certificates.  Your life is monitored and limited by the internet of things, particularly cell phones.

    3.  The small self-sufficient community alternative.  Small Dunbar sized groups that can think and act for themselves and supply most everything they need locally can run circles around their big competitors.

    The new American neufeudal order seems similar to the communism approach of the Chinese.   I think that MOST people prefer either 1 or 2 above.  Most people refuse to think for themselves and absolutely must follow a herd.  They merely need to see the right commercial and propaganda.  If we get in their way, they will attack us.  I think that we should give up the idea "just talk to enough people and convince them a, b, c!" because the Mark Zuckerbergs, Jack Dorseys and their pals took over that space.  I argue that we are different.  The first order of the day is to save ourselves and not try the impossible (rewire the brains of those who cant think/act rationally by just "talking" to them).

    We need to save ourselves first.  Lets find our own oxygen before proselytizing about a mythical future that we have not even created yet.  Let`s build something (for ex. a small but high energy local resources community) that works.
    We should create "constructive solution-offerings" in this space.  After creation, we are in a position to chit chat crap about it.

    We can start by breaking down the contemplated sufficient community into a list of institutions/needs, then take steps to meet those needs.  I have such list if anyone is interested.  Our respective communities will be built one step at a time as we become more resilient for each of our needs.  This blog site is a great place to share-encourage these steps.  Most people talk about their accomplishments in creating food but we have other institutions that need to be rebuilt as well.  Many of these steps can be shared on line.  For example medical alternatives to most corrupt corporate medicine practices can be worked out.  Some of us may want to formulate our own ivermectin pills. .......

    Your "constructive solution-offerings" requires shared action.  This dreamy chit chat crap doesnt fill the stomach or do the other things that we need to get working on.

     

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 9:21am

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    Words of wisdom

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 9:44am

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    SPAM ALERT - PP admin pls delete post 92

    and block the poster too pls 👍

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 10:05am

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    On Nazi Germany and Vaccination campaign urgency

    Many have been puzzled as to how the extermination of the Jews in Germany could possibly have happened. One train of thought is that most Germans just didn't know. That was the conventional thinking I was familiar with. After all, how could a nation of people possibly stand by in silent witness to such atrocity? Long ago, my Austrian teacher, who was about 10 during WWII, said oh yes, the Germans knew. They knew. They knew. But the social kinetics were such that they, the clear majority, took a pass on culpability. After all, the Jews were different, identifiable and diseased. Their identification enabled targeting of all manner of blame. Their segregation enabled opportunistic plunder of their holdings and capture of the strongest for work camps. For the majority of Germans this became the easy path.

    In the US today, the conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers are fully characterized by MSM as both irresponsible and as the cause of death. The stage is set for their identification and forced injection, or internment. The disgust and outrage of the good people of the MSM cohort at the evil anti-vaxxers will be vindicated by the publicized prosecution of this righteous action. The sequestration of their property and its division amongst the righteous will be fair reward for the anti-vaxxer's offense against true civility.

    The social dominoes do indeed seem to be lined up properly to enable MSM social justice to proceed.

    EXCEPT. Critical mass hasn't yet been achieved in the US. Even if the mindset is mostly surrounded, the ~50% vaxxed, an adequate majority doth not make.

    We had better keep it that way.

     

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 10:16am

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    That is because the Queen made the pollies toe the line

    As with Canada, the Queen has all along been pulling the strings down under. Few know how she directly intervened to sack a sitting Prime Minister who was not playing ball with the oligarch agenda. He refused to be a puppet and dance as instructed, the way the rest of the Commonwealth Prime Minister's do [notably Trudeau, who is king of all puppets]. An excerpt from the first linked article:

    An important reckoning with a great historical injustice is underway in Australia which presents the world with a rare opportunity to look into the darker corners of the corridors of power too often ignored by even the most ardent truth seekers among us.

    This reckoning has taken the form of a four-year, hard fought legal battle which a lone crowd funded Australian historian named Jenny Hocking waged in the highest courts of her nation to win the right on May 30, 2020 to make 211 secret letters held within Australia’s National Archives public for the first time since they were deposited in 1978.

    These palace letters were written between the Queen of England (via her personal secretary) and her Governor General in Australia Sir John Kerr during the latter’s tenure as official Head of State during the interim of 1974-1978 and until last week’s court ruling, were intended to be kept hidden until December 8, 2037.

    What makes these letters such a point of national controversy is that they contain information which will undoubtedly shed light upon the active role of the Queen herself in carrying out an act which essentially amounted to a modern coup d’état of November 11, 1975. During this sad period, Kerr made history by not only sacking the elected Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, but also revealed the scope and nature of the British Monarchy’s very real powers in our modern age.

    These are bizarre god-like prerogative powers which those forces controlling today’s globally extended empire would much rather keep concealed from public view.

    https://canadianpatriot.org/2020/06/14/the-sacking-of-gough-whitlam-and-the-royal-intention-behind-the-five-eyes/

    This next article shows how deep the rot runs, and how allegiance is sworn not to one's nation, but to the Queen and her heirs.

    https://canadianpatriot.org/2020/06/18/from-dodgy-dossiers-to-the-sacking-of-whitlam-the-british-empire-stands-exposed/

    Acting on Provincial levels, we find Lieutenant Governors who (in Canada) happen to be members of the Freemasonic Knights of St John of Jerusalem (patronized by the Queen herself).

    All figures operating with these authorities within this strange Byzantine world are themselves a part of, or beholden to figures sworn into the Queen’s Privy Council- putting their allegiance under the total authority of the Queen and her heirs, rather than the people or nation in which that subject serves and lives. If this is hard to believe, then take the time to listen to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s oath upon entering the Privy Council to get a visceral taste of this medieval policy in action (every cabinet member, Prime Minister and opposition leader must take this oath if they are to be granted intelligence briefings from her majesty’s intelligence services.)

    Take note that not even once does the welfare of the people or the nation arise in this oath.

    https://youtu.be/xA92oPwKK70

    From time to time, good leaders have found themselves in executive positions of high office. As rare as they are, such anomalies occurred in the cases of Canada’s Prime Ministers Wilfrid Laurier (1896-1911) and John Diefenbaker (1957-1963), Quebec Premiers Paul Sauvé (1959), Daniel Johnson Senior (1967-68), and Australia’s Gough Whitlam (1972-1975). Yet when these anomalies arise and such figures trespass beyond their acceptable sphere of action into policy territories reserved only for the governing elite, then more often then not a Rhodes Scholar-run coup occurs [Laurier 1911 (2), Diefenbaker 1963], an untimely death strikes [Sauvé 1959 and Johnson 1968] or a sacking by the Queen’s Governor General happens [Whitlam 1975].

    In all aforementioned cases, Democratic institutions that are premised around the concept that all citizens are made equal and free in the image of a creator are never long tolerated within the cage of a system of oligarchism premised upon the belief that only one person is sovereign and her/his word is absolute law for all slaves, and minions of the ruling bloodline.

    As Gough Whitlam discovered in 1975, the real British Empire is a nasty beast, and probably one which should have gone extinct a couple of centuries ago. Unfortunately, until this moment, history has been tainted by more than a few disruptions of progressive leaders who sacrificed their comfort, careers, and often their lives to resist this stubborn parasite which would rather suck its host dry than admit that the system of organization upon which it is based is an abomination to natural law and morality.

    Many here often ask who is 'they'. One of 'them', is a stalwart player who sits on a regal throne and likes to wear expensive tiaras & baubles.

     

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 10:34am

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    Where are the solutions?

    PGP said:

    Criticism has it's place but where are the constructive solution-offerings that would claim protection from disease, greed, corruption and crime.  And would those solutions, by yet another manager, be any better or more effective and organised than the ones we have now.

    First people need to be shaken awake from their slumber.  They need to see what's actually happening, not what they hope is happening.  It's time for any shreds of hope that linger to be dismissed that "they" have public health as any particular concern of theirs.

    "They" do not.

    Most people still haven't fully internalized this shocking observation because, well, we don't shift our belief systems based on data.  So I keep pointing it out, as do others here because it takes a huge amount of repetition to begin to gnaw at a deep-seated belief system.

    Second, I do offer constructive solutions literally every single episode.  Not sure why those have escaped so many in this thread, PGP especially.

    I talk about "building up your terrain" literally every episode.  You know why I do that?  Because it works and it's a solution.

    When someone takes that step of taking their first Vitamin D pill because they've finally heard it often enough to give it a go, something truly magical has first happened beneath the surface.

    On a very important level of belief, and before that person reaches for the Vitamin D, they must have first had to confront and come to terms with the idea that even though "they" haven't made a priority out of conveying the importance of taking Vitamin D, it's still important anyway.

    Ah!  Thus begins the all-important step of self-empowerment.  Making a decision for yourself, by yourself!  It's pure magic.  It's when the healing begins.

    Also, yes, every critic of my criticism is correct; I have 100% given up on the idea that politicians or our major institutions are in any way reachable or reformable.  I simply don't think there's any point in wasting time or effort trying to make them better by trying to negotiate with them or help them be better by giving better data.

    If Pierre Kory, et al., cannot budge an NIH "treatment panel" with mountains and mountains of solid, repeatable data, then there's nothing any of us can realistically do.

    Given that, what's the plan then?

    Find other people who aren't totally insane and begin talking with each other.  Begin to plan for a future of even larger systemic failures.  To this now, and do this urgently, because that's what the data and trajectories tell you to do.  That's what they tell me to do.

    Along the way continue to toss out the bogus narratives of the system/machine because they are demonstrably broken and illogical and therefore certain to end badly.  Make your own choices based on your own instincts and evidence gathering.  See what other rational people are doing.

    In closing, if you've consumed my material and didn't detect any solutions, I would strongly advise you to check your belief systems carefully for any that might not be homegrown and then ask yourself if they are serving you or not.

     

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 10:53am

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    Re: Open and shut case

    Chris:

    Interesting post, but why is this an open and shut case?

    Wasn't the Capitol raid largely indoors?

    Weren't most of the BLM demos outdoors?

    Weren't most of the Capitol raiders right-leaning, and therefore less likely

    to wear masks?

    Weren't the BLM demos left-leaning and therefore at least some were more likely to wear masks?

    Pls. explain what I'm missing.

    Great questions.

    Here's your answer:

    A more complete answer in words:

    1 - masks aren't as effective as we might have thought especially...

    2 - ...poorly worn masks (loose, chinstrap only, etc) are virtue signaling devices only (look closely at the image above and you'll see plenty of these).

    3 - the protests weren't really effectively masked at all, especially when people were on the move, or otherwise requiring oxygen (and thus breathing hard and theoretically expelling more virus particles more easily).

    4 - the CDC really couldn't find any examples of outdoor transmission at all from any period of the pandemic.  However, I expect Delta to change that as it's really super communicable.  But that's irrelevant for the periods in question here.

    I am, as of this writing, only aware of one "super spreader event" that happened outside during this entire summer and fall (of 2020) that happened outside; Trump's Rose Garden announcement of his Supreme Court nominee:

    What was fascinating was that the press managed to call this a super spreader event even before it was later found out that 9 people got infected at it.  I really think the CDC ought to have studied that very carefully because, as I said, it's the only outdoor superspreader event we have during that time period.  That makes it study-worthy.

    If they did, I am not aware of that or their findings.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 11:09am

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    DaveDD said:

    yes, but no. The last one conflicts heavily with my “do no harm” philosophy. Other than that, yes. Imo we should not become victim to the nefarious trap of voilence, and terrorism. We are better than that, again, this is just my opinion. But resistance? Yes, for sure.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 11:11am

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    DaveDD said:

    👏🙌👏

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 11:17am

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    DaveDD said:

    btw, not saying anything about this persons IQ, but more about his intuition.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 11:29am

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    Solutions

    James Corbett has an excellent series on his website called 'Solutions Watch' with concrete ways we can take control of our lives

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 11:41am

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "Making a decision for yourself, by yourself!  It's pure magic.  It's when the healing begins"

     

    This was my experience with HCQ.    My heart was almost pounding in my chest as I made the call to a doctor I found on PP to get a prescription.

    I knew explicitly that to take that step mean acknowledging that my country had also seen the data on hcq and didn't want me to have it.

    They knew there was something really cheap and really safe that might save my life and they wouldn't let me have it.

     

    What else would they do to me?   I didn't want to think about it. I wanted hcq to be a bullshit cure that the saner people running my health authority were protecting me from.

    Alas it wasn't so...

    HCQ turned out to be a gateway drug for me.   I now have enough ivermectin to treat a State Rodeo which sounds like an absurd overreaction on my part until I heard that Canadian docs (seem to be) prohibited from giving patients anything for covid.   Ie. They didn't ban specific "unproven" treatments" they said that nothing can work except vaccines and any doc who works with their patient outside of that is subject to disciplinary action.

     

    So the situation is worse than than I thought it was when I got hcq...

     

    I've benefitted from the constant hammering I've gotten from this site.   I've learned in the last 18 months that I live under a very different political system than I thought and that anything is possible.

     

    If anything is possible than resilience building is key.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 12:16pm

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    “Vaccines are a safer alternative for acquiring immunity than natural infection …

    “Vaccines are a safer alternative for acquiring immunity than natural infection … contrary to claims by Peter McCullough’. Per health feedback on Facebook.

    the above appeared on Facebook in regards to a to a video someone had posted of Dr McCullough talking about the vaccine. I can’t figure out how to Insert an image of the fact-checked statement.

    I Noticed that they didn’t say, “Dr.” Peter McCullough.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 12:18pm

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    Check out Pfizer's vaccine Manufacturing and Supply Contracts

    Found some good information on Pfizer's contracts and wrote a nasty letter to Biden complaining about it.  Ya gotta love the secrecy around these contracts.  I regularly write letters to the CDC and FDA  imploring the honest, hard working employees to step up and stop the insanity or quit.

    If you're not part of the solution, get out of  the  way.

    The Covid vaccine contracts shed light on official rhetoric.

    Information security expert on revealed Pfizer agreements: ‘There’s good reason Pfizer fought to hide the details of these contracts’

    One thing I have to mention,  I'm very  curious about the Aussie's  here on PP that are completely fine with these draconian lock downs, coerced vaccinations, and heavy police/military presence for enforcement purposes.

    Very curious indeed.

    From my perspective, I'm offended and outraged, not to mention frightened that such measures will come to the US.  I  live in Florid, in the country on five acres.  Have been under a house arrest situation in regard to work.  Have not worked in the courthouse since March 2020, but for all other purposes can still go where I want, when I want.  I can walk outside at any time for any purpose on my property.  Other people are not so fortunate.

    Ditto sympathy for the people living in Canada.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 12:25pm

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    Holding the (psychological) Line

    Thanks for the post.  One of the most difficult things for me is holding onto my sanity while being lied to.  I have followed quite a few independent reporters over the years and I have watched how these people have gotten more and more shrill in their reporting, over time and the  continual onslaught.

    Dr. McCollough is an excellent role model for 'holding the  psychological line' but he's pretty new to the battle.   We need new blood to the battle, the old warriors are wearing out.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 12:46pm

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    The Netherlands..

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 1:44pm

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    Aussies

    I agree with Hladini. I’m curious that our Australian friends appear to have so readily rolled over and accepted authoritarianism. The Aussies I’ve known have been adventurous, outdoorsy and fun-loving.  So I (incorrectly?) assumed they were courageous and would place a high value on freedom.  Now their government is literally deploying military troops in the streets to enforce nefarious lockdowns and the overwhelming majority of them seem not only okay with that but actually support it!  I find that very sad.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 2:15pm

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    REAL masks were & are still the best solution to reduce Rt

    While the media has very successfully brainwashed people to make masks purely political, there is a scientific side to it.

    From the outset of the pandemic, there's been a few voices of reason amongst the cacophony produced by hordes of mindless idiots.

    Dr. Pierre Kory, currently president of FLCCC Alliance, has been one of those voices from the outset, when he co-authored an opinion piece featured in USA Today on July 1 2020 that called for a nationwide rollout of N95s to be worn by ALL Americans:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/01/slow-covid-19-more-americans-need-wear-n-95-masks-indoors-column/3278779001/

    Chris M's great video today didn't cover one of the biggest lies of the pandemic -- namely, that SARS2 doesn't spread by aerosol transmission.  That was only recently half-heartedly admitted by the CDC, after a series of partial admissions followed by denials and retractions:

    https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/cdc-finally-admits-coronavirus-spreads-through-air-takes-it-down-hours-later-2897903.html

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7wpk7/the-cdc-just-deleted-its-guidance-that-said-coronavirus-spreads-through-air

    Other voices of reason have added to the case for aerosol transmission, but the CDC to this day seems to still be in partial denial, although they updated guidelines with minor, repeated tweaks to admit aerosol transmission from late 2020 to the present:

    https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/covid19-sars-cov-2-airborne-transmission-aerosol-evidence-study/

    But let's go back to what Dr. Kory said back in July 2020, and see that he clearly stated the fundamental problem (aerosol transmission of SARS2), and gave a viable solution (the broadest possible N95-rated mask usage).  It is utterly prophetic:

    The scientific and media publications describing “super-spreader events” provide some of the most damning evidence of the risks of congregating without universal mask wearing:

    ►The choir practice where one singer infected 52 of the other 60 attendees? Aerosol transmission.

    ►The 22-year-old presymptomatic man who sang karaoke in an air-conditioned room for two hours and infected six of his 15 friends? Aerosol transmission.

    ►The presymptomatic 29-year-old man who infected 102 people during visits to multiple crowded nightclubs? Aerosol transmission.

    ►Cruise ship and aircraft carrier mini epidemics? Aerosol transmission through air-recirculation systems.

    ►The more than 100 meat-packing plants with massive outbreaks despite the workers’ wearing safety goggles, gloves and frocks? Aerosol transmission.

    The challenge we face as a country is that we do not yet have sufficient N95 masks even for health care workers, let alone for widespread distribution. It is unclear to us why this is the case, as it is well within the immense industrial capacity of the United States to ramp up national production of these simple low-tech safety devices

    Our current infection control strategies are unlikely to succeed. The public health approach will fail due to the imbalance between tracing and testing resources compared with the large and increasing number of documented and undocumented infections.

    The “lockdown” approach employed by the Chinese government to rid Wuhan of the virus is not feasible in the open democracy of our country. Waiting for “herd immunity” would result in widespread death and disability while again overwhelming our hospitals. 

    While we wait for a vaccine, an effective cure, or the unlikely event that all 50 states will pass public health laws that mandate universal mask wearing in all indoor public places, could we have a national initiative to ramp up production of N95 masks so that all Americans have access to this level of protection? 

    There is no excuse, particularly in 2021, for the general public to not buy and regularly use N95 rated masks instead of masks of unknown, uncontrolled effectiveness.  This is a matter of fit (seal) and function, and should not be left to chance.  Furthermore, healthcare workers (hereafter "HCWs") and others who work with COVID+ patients should reduce their risk by filtration that follows an industry standard, not an ad hoc approach of "surgical masks" -- which is a meaningless designation, and totally worthless in terms of fit (seal) and filtering quality.  HCWs should wear P100 rated silicone rubber masks of the proper size, such as Honeywell/North 7600 (full-face) or 7700 (half-face) masks, which have been proven to be easily disinfected:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6193495/

    In fact, such masks have been deployed in some hospitals instead of disposables in order to greatly improve HCWs safety while greatly reducing cost & waste:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6193495/

    Jan. 2020 was well past the appropriate time for the USA and all countries to implement pandemic preparation by stockpiling rubber masks in all hospitals and healthcare facilities.  This work should have begun during or before the 1990s, such that full deployment would have been in place by the mid 2000s.  This is of course the fault of the entire HHS, particularly the CDC, whose role is to prepare for pandemics.

    Although the US government has for decades chosen total inaction on this matter, sane individuals should adopt a scientifically sound approach to masking, which starts with using masks that are compliant to defined standards and have a solid track record in many industries for decades.  For more, research NIOSH requirements on the CDC website:

    https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/index.htm

    I have regularly used such masks for 100s of different situations for over 40 years, and can attest to their multi-decade durability, reliability, safety, seal & filter quality, comfort, and much more.  A model 7700 P100-rated filter with broad spectrum chemical filtering as well (using filter 75SCP100L) costs only $50, and lasts > 20 years.

    Although it has been over a year of utterly inept COVID response in every regard, including a near-total breach of all medical ethics by nearly the entire healthcare world, I am still willing to donate such masks to bonafide healthcare workers whose job requires interaction with COVID+ patients.  Contact me if you are interested and qualified.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 4:12pm

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    thesiasgc said:

    I agree with Hladini. I’m curious that our Australian friends appear to have so readily rolled over and accepted authoritarianism. The Aussies I’ve known have been adventurous, outdoorsy and fun-loving.  So I (incorrectly?) assumed they were courageous and would place a high value on freedom.  Now their government is literally deploying military troops in the streets to enforce nefarious lockdowns and the overwhelming majority of them seem not only okay with that but actually support it!  I find that very sad.

     

    Mate, I do not endorse the rampant authoritarianism occurring throughout the country. Deploying the military in New South Wales to essentially threaten communities who immigrated here to leave war torn countries does not seem like a wise move.

    Where I will play devil's advocate is regarding the need to proceed with caution regarding the Delta strain. We still don't have a significant percentage of our population vaccinated and treatments for COVID-19 such as dwizabin 1 and 2 are not endorsed. We will be an interesting data set globally as to how lethal Delta is on its own. Of note is that hospitalisations are going up, however there's unclear data at the moment as to how many of those people have comorbidities.

    Overall I would prefer a more measured approach, however I have come to expect very little from our politicians. As someone rightly pointed out earlier, our politicians are careers lawyers and won't necessarily take the time to fully research or understand the complexities of our current health crisis. Hell, most people don't look into the research or find communities like this for open conversation of our current circumstances.

    I do worry as to where this government overreach will lead. I understand where protestors are coming from. Currently in Queensland, it's expected to have masks on all the time. Even outdoors when you're jogging away from everyone on a sunny day. It makes absolutely no sense and the policies seem to be designed to account for the lowest common denominator type individual who cannot use a bit of common sense.

    I partly blame our media climate too. While not as divisive as the US, there is a constant back and forth at hurling blame to the other side of the political spectrum, which muddies communication and trust in our institutions.

    In summary, I don't blame a sense of cautiousness around Delta given the unknowns for a first world mostly unvaccinated community, however do have long term concerns around where this current authoritarian streak will go in the future.

     

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 4:19pm

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    It's filtering out there

    The sense that we're at a crossroads is filtering out to the more general population. Note that Sarah Hoyt grew up in socialist Portugal so she knows what she's talking about. - Wendy

    Sounding the Tocsin

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 4:21pm

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    it's either laugh or cry

    It's either laugh or cry, Jan, so I give you the Babylon Bee parody site. https://babylonbee.com/news/cdc-still-baffled-people-are-paying-attention-to-them

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 4:28pm

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    LOL thanks for the smile Wendy

    Leave it up to the BBee to help us keep our sanity!

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 4:53pm

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    The Road to Totalitarianism

    For those of you treading lightly on the idea that we may be heading towards a totalitarian state, I've got some bad news for you.

    https://consentfactory.org/2021/07/31/the-road-to-totalitarianism/

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 5:05pm

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    Sandpuppy - Here's How we Know it's the Delta Variant

    How do we know it's the Delta variant?  Easy, just listen to this answer by the White House PR woman:




    She is asked what the testing process is to assure that we can even know if it's the Delta variant.  She then gets annoyed, interrupts, and then does a super-lame appeal to authority.  "Because, science and experts!" might as well have been the answer.

    In other words, no answer given at all.

    I don't care which 'side' of this narrative you are on, the past 72 hours have been a communications nightmare from the White House.

    The press is beginning to ask actual questions.  Things could take a rather quick turn here...

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 5:09pm

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    Glyphosate and niacin

    If you are worried about niacin  you may want to do your best to avoid eating, drinking, breathing too much (any) glyphosate.

    "These include lactobacillus and bifidobacteria, which use the shikimate pathway to produce the aromatic amino acids tryptophan, tyrosine and phenylalanine, crucial coding amino acids that go into all the proteins of your body. They’re absolutely essential for protein assembly, and your body must rely on your diet and gut microbes to produce adequate amounts of these amino acids, as your body cannot produce them any other way.

    When your gut microbes are harmed, it can result in a deficiency of tryptophan, tyrosine and phenylalanine. These amino acids are also precursors to many other important biologically active molecules. For example, tryptophan is a precursor to melatonin and serotonin. Tyrosine is a precursor to thyroid hormone, dopamine and adrenaline.

    “These are all really, really important hormones that control brain behavior and regulate behavior and mood,” Seneff says. “Serotonin deficiency is connected to depression, and we have an epidemic in depression. So, I think there’s a direct path there. Also, some of the B vitamins come out of the shikimate pathway, including thiamine (B1), riboflavin (B2) and niacin (B3) …

    You need thiamine for augmenting your immune system. If you don’t have a lot of thiamine, you’re not going to be able to generate a healthy immune response. That’s why it’s a part of septic protocols. If you’re wrecking it with glyphosate exposure that’s disrupting the shikimate pathway in your gut microflora, you’ve got a huge problem.”

    Stephanie Seneff, Ph.D.    (Check out her book on the topic)

    Also because it is a potent chelator it can impact minerals, such as Iron, directly in our bodies or through the levels found in the foods we eat.

    I couldn't find accurate data on how many million pounds were sprayed on foods last year,  but I believe it is still the most widely used herbicide and if you've been paying attention, now that they have started looking, its being found everywhere

    https://www.ewg.org/areas-focus/toxic-chemicals/glyphosate

    So you can easily reach your daly max allowed levels eating your favorite processed foods.  If you are worried that is not sufficient you can start spraying the weeds in your yard or get your neighbor to spray his, well at least until 2023 when it looks like in the US you will need a license to kill.

    Don't live in an agricultural community ? Not to worry its use is quite prevalent in even "progressive' cities, ok not Portland, but SF

    Shocking new map shows where cancer-causing glyphosate sprayed in San Francisco

    Odds are you have this problem as it was found in the urine of 93% of those tested.

    https://usrtk.org/pesticides/glyphosate-health-concerns/

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 5:55pm

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    CDC

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 6:17pm

    dryam2000

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    A simple picture says so much….

    🤔

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 6:55pm

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    Had to look up sublingual vitamins

    They're similar to what I do. I take a vitamin, chelated mineral, and amino acid powder, mixed with water, because I also have absorption problems.  But only a half dose a day: I like to get the rest of my nutrients from food.

     

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 7:35pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    Yes, the sublingual dose goes directly into the blood stream, so less is required. There isn't a sublingual type of every vitamin. Right now I just apply vitamin a to the skin. I like your approach, probably way cheaper and sublingual vitamins are hard to get sometimes.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 7:41pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    I felt my IQ drop 10 points (I scarcely could afford) listening to that woman explaining that the experts know that the delta variant is rampant in an area without the local health officials sharing any test results with them. Hey lady, just because you don't understand science doesn't mean that the rest of us can't.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 8:15pm

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    Thank you Goldrunner1 for your post and link

    For those that haven't read the essays/articles written by CJ Hopkins shared by Goldrunner1, they are worth your time.  Excellent observations, well written.  Note at the link below his concerns of a totalitarian takeover using the scamdemic as the basis, started in June of 2020.  There may be earlier writings expressing his concerns not reflected here.  Hundreds of thousands marching in France, as we sit on our hands.

    https://consentfactory.org/2021/07/14/the-approaching-storm/

    https://consentfactory.org/2021/07/31/the-road-to-totalitarianism/

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 8:42pm

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    Replying to Friedrichs_teeth said: (#51)

    People heard what they wanted to hear -- that two tiny jabs and they'd be safe again.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 9:03pm

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    Shplad said:

    An interesting answer, Chris. Thanks. I'll think about it carefully.

    I myself don't like to use the term "virtue signalling". I think it's dangerous, as it assumes others have no good will. And we can't know what others are thinking, can we?

    And isn't that sort of what you argue against here, assuming others have no good will or are faking it?

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 2:12am

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    Andy in the Sun said:

    Thanks for your comment. It would not wonder me if there were at least a weak correlation between areas of high Glyphosate and higher Infection rate/CMR.

    If I had some research time... I would be interested in digging deeper into it. I am more and more convinced that we screwed our-self quite big time with the Glyphosate matter...

    A typical example of simple linear (only) thinking of our species (unfortunately).

    Btw... I had my Covid encounter already too. Unfortunately, in the place where I am living now the medical service and the pharmacies are to a insane degree "helped" by gov. - so no way to get hands on HCQ or IVM. So I resorted to vit C, D and Zinc. The Zinc I got from Stresstabs, because with 25mg per tablet they got a good amount.

    But when I checked now... they got also thiamine (B1) 2000% DV... hmm, there must be a reason that my date with Covid was after 3 days over....

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 5:47am

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    Pandemic of the weak and pandemic of the stupid

    Life is dangerous and tends to target the weak.  This is how I understood nature works, always trying to balance the system and favouring the most fit in a given environment. This is very unfortunate if you have some kind of fatal genetic disorder and we can thank our healthcare options if help is available to support those affected. However in the western world most of our ailments are not because of nature, it's about nurture, how we live our lives, it's due to behaviour whether voluntary or influenced.

    What we experience now is a pandemic of the weak, most fatalities in people with at least 6 or more co-morbidities.... It might be harsh, but wasn't it a miracle in the first place that those were still alive in the first place ? I'm all for protecting the vulnerable, especially those who can and do make an effort themselves. I do encourage them to get a jab, the risk/benefit ratio makes sense and if I could help by taking a jab, I would, not with the current data though.

    Failure to recognize this simple survival mechanisme of nature strikes me as beyond stupid, just as the failure to see the statistics on fatalities for what they are, failing to have vaccine efficacy influence jab policy over time, not questioning the sloppy registration of vaccine adverse events during a trial phase, failure to question the commercial incentives, failure to capture political motives and failure to question why young, healthy, serological positive people are coerced into having the shot. Despite a minority that have a critical stance, a growing majority is led to believe a false narrative and obeys to the illusion, besides a pandemic of the weak, this has become a pandemic of the stupid as well.

    We possess a magnificent machine, truly a miracle of nature. Even with an impaired brain, less capable of critical thinking, it is able to survive. We should respect it more and aspire for a less constrained future. If only we could mobilise our fellow human beings.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 6:06am

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    Follow-up to post 130 Mercola CJ Hopkins interview

    Great interview expressing many of the views held by folks on PP.  Worth sharing with others.  One may scroll down from video for written narrative and additional thought/information.

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/06/13/cj-hopkins-fight-against-tyranny.aspx

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 8:00am

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    Terminator said:

    Thanks for the link @mpup !

    Great discussion, weaves in nicely with the PP community if you'd ask me.

    Did not know about C.J. Hopkins, so will look into more of him.

    His suggestions on what we can do against the distortion of reality today (mostly in sync with Chris/PP) :

    1. Keep relentlessly communicating the truth

    2. Don't comply and keep vocally demanding your right when needed (sit down at restaurant that requires a vax pass and demand to be served, question sanity of the imposed rules. Your ultimate removal from the establishment will get noticed and might trigger others)

    3. Non-violent civil disobedience (organize and repeat actions similar to step 2 with a group)

    Btw they discuss a long timeframe, up to 10 years, for things to evolve. I did not get my head around what this means to me and how to get across this period yet.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 8:52am

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    Nitric oxide nasal spray - just follow your nose?

    Why only Asian markets? Why is this not huge worldwide news? Their self reported figures look hugely impressive - overblown or not to be sniffed at?

    "In March 2021, SaNOtize’s clinical trials showed NONS was a safe and effective antiviral treatment to prevent the transmission of COVID-19, shorten its course, and reduce the severity of symptoms. In the first 24 hours, NONS reduced the average viral load by approximately 95%, and then by more than 99% within 72 hours. It has been tested in healthy volunteers and patients as part of UK and Canada clinical trials."

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210802005236/en/SaNOtize-inks-agreement-with-Indian-biotech-Glenmark-to-commercialize-Nitric-Oxide-Nasal-Spray-for-COVID-19-treatment-in-India-and-other-Asian-markets/

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 10:08am

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    PhilH said:

    sand_puppy, If I'm reading this correctly, someone that gets vaxxed AND contracts Covid, they have a 19% chance of dying.  If they are NOT vaxxed and contracts covid, it's a 1.6% chance of dying.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 12:17pm

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    Thank you and an additional site of interest...

    Thank you for this amazing work and how you can summarize things.  Here is another  site that might interest you: can you buy the standard for SARS Cov-2 Certified Reference Materials?  Not that I want to, but Mike Adams, creator of Brighteon, addresses that question.  As an FYI, he has many resources for sustainable living and had a video about one week ago about 50 things you can do.  https://www.brighteon.com/37810944-72c7-422c-9712-82ce1fa5a51a

     

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 1:13pm

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    Non saturated fats too

    In addition of insulin causing an chronic inflammatory response, unsaturated fats do also. Dr Cate Shanahan had some very good articles and videos on it.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 3:32pm

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    Sand_Puppy's Summary of Treatments

    I am heading into work in a couple of houra and the COVID cases are quite high in this area.  I reviewed both FLCCC Alliance and COVID19Crusher's twitter feed for a list of meds that are available in the USA with benefit.  Then filtered them for what can I actually prescribe without being ostracized as a heretic.

    Quick summary

    Prescriptions

    • Singulair 10 mg daily
    • Flovent 110 inhaler 2 puffs twice daily  (<---Edit:  remove this one.)

    OTC

    • Naprosyn 500 mg twice daily x 5
    • Multivitamin (MultiThera from Klaire Labs) on amazon or Mark Hyman’s website
    • Vitamin D3 5,000 IU (if not prescribed) 10 tabs daily x 3
    • Quercitin 250 – 500 twice daily
    • Zinc picolinate or other formulation
    • Claritin 10 mg daily
    • Pepcid (famotidine) 40-60 mg / day
    • Melatonin 20 mg  1-3 times daily
    • Order bromhexine on eBay
    • Order cyptoheptine on eBay
    • (Edited:  Thanks Kat43) Rinse mouth with Scope mouthwash 3-4 times daily
    • (Edited:  Thanks again Kat43)  Dilute betadine nasal irrigation/spray

    Verbal only:  I use Durvet 1.87% ivemectin paste that I purchase at Tractor Supply.  I take twice the horses dose for 5 days. (but I can't recommend this to others as it is not FDA approved for use in humans)

    Much of the treatments are reasonable to a traditional doctor for a person with a cough if "some wheezing is heard" and the provider "suspects some asthma or allergies may be playing a role as well."

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 3:52pm

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    Kat43 said:

    Thanks SP!  FLCCC is also recommending a mouth wash and nasal irrigation or spray to cut down the nasal/pharyngeal viral load associated with the Delta variant.  Page 13 of their Clinical Guide - https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/FLCCC-Protocols-%E2%80%93-A-Guide-to-the-Management-of-COVID-19.pdf  Given the recent advisories about vax and unvaxed having similar loads of Delta this doesn't seem like heretical advice.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 4:21pm

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    Then filtered them for what can I actually prescribe without being ostracized as a heretic.

    I understand fully but...what a sad statement on our current health"care" system. Even someone like yourself, a PP member and aware of the data supporting ivermectin (and using it yourself), and you still feel like you can't prescribe it.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 4:47pm

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    Not only can doctors not prescribe it depending on who they work for.....

    Now they can't even talk about it on social media;

    https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/digital-marketing/physicians-who-post-covid-19-vaccine-misinformation-may-lose-license-medical-panel-says.html

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 4:52pm

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    excellent

    Hey SP I think you did a great job of threading the needle there.  And some of those items are actually pretty studly.  The whole claritin thing could be a game-changer.  Who knew these antihistamines are actually antivirals too?  And they're below the radar right now.

    And the Melatonin @ 20 mg is good stuff, as is bromhexine.

    Ivermectin is a target, but the rest of that stuff ... not so much.  I mean, they can't take it all offline, right?

    So zinc + ionophore, H1-blocker, TMPRSS2 inhibitor, and general immune disregulation help (MLT + VITD), and the nasal & throat liquids.  Sounds like a good recipe to me.  I mean, really good.  Nothing like a combination to get the job done.

    I think you're doing a fantastic job.  MacGyver would be proud.  Any old doc can read off the FLCCC protocol, but its a clever one that can manage to save people's lives with stone knives and bearskins.  To mix a metaphor.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 5:51pm

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    Thanks DaveF

    Exactly as you point out, trying to find meds in each of the classes with some benefit behind them.  Thanks for noticing this success and articulating it.  🙂

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 6:09pm

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    kunga said:

    Sand puppy, etal, I think dietary recommends would not be out of line.

    Green tea, for ECGC, Zn ionophore,

    coconut oil, interferes with the corona virus fatty coat,

    fatty fish, keeps the blood flowing to reduce clots.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 6:15pm

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    British Nurse’s amazing report

    Short Clip …..wait to the end

    https://t.me/BritishNursingAlliance/119328

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 6:19pm

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    SP treatment list, in the "Land of the Free"

    SP,

    That is a profoundly great list, which I've copied and sent to someone I know who is in a very similar position w.r.t. The Drug Which Shall Not Be Named. Last week he told me if he even tried it on a patient he would be disciplined and probably fired. All has to be on the sly.

    If the US is still the "Land of the Free", I wonder what it's like living in a repressed country like China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, ....or Canada.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 6:43pm

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    Bill in La Mesa said:

    SHAZAM!  Re: OOG's British Nursing Alliance clip...  Trying to get a mental picture of Fauci admitting something like that.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 7:07pm

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    SPAM ALERT - POST 151 & 152

    PP admin - please delete and block posters 🙏🏻😊

    Thanks for all you do!

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 7:11pm

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    Susan7 said:

    Does the fact that younger and younger people are getting seriously ill vindicate Van den Bossche’s thesis?

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 7:20pm

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    The narrative ain't gonna hold....

    ...ah man.  Evidently the ADE nightmare is coming true...

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 7:39pm

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    Bill in La Mesa said:

    Looking into things.  Appears the "British Nurse's" report is coming from New South Wales Australia.  Looks like less than a third of the population is vaccinated and AstraZeneca was a popular jab.

    Terrifying to think of ADE starting to sweep across the globe.  Wonder if Pfizer, Moderna & J&J will start showing the same thing.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 7:48pm

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    Mpup said:

    Tell us the name of the "experts," show us the specific data to confirm these statements. In the hospital where my daughter works, the majority of the covid admissions have been vaccinated.  More government lies?

    Edit to add:  We just talked to my wife's sister who is an RN in the ICU at a hospital in Florida.  She said they have more Covid patients in their PCU than at any time during the pandemic.  She said nearly ALL of the patients have been vaccinated.  So much for the effectiveness of the vaccines.  Something smells with what the "experts say"  https://www.cnet.com/health/99-of-covid-deaths-are-now-of-unvaccinated-people-experts-say/

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 8:10pm

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    Vaccinated COVID admissions

    I work in one of the larger hospitals in Montana, still small by comparison to most urban hospitals, nonetheless, we had 10 COVID-19 admissions over the weekend and 8 out of 10 had been vaccinated. The only reason I found this out BTW is that I am good friends with the RN manager of the hospitalist team of PAs/MDs (who herself has been vaccinated but respects my opinion not to be vaccinated). The hospital publishes daily e-mails to all employees with the number of COVID-19 admissions, but of course they left out the part in today's e-mail that 80% of the admissions over the weekend at our hospital for COVID-19 were vaccinated.

    Just sharing the street view here in my part of the world.

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 8:24pm

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    Glyphosate has been used as a desicant ...

    on non-organic grains and legumes for about 15 years now.  It is sprayed not very long before harvest to kill the plant and cause the seed heads to dry faster.  For his reason, non-organic oats average about 1 part per million glyphosate while wheat and corn average about 0.25 ppm.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 1:12am

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    ICU not full of vaccinated individuals in NSW, Australia

    Double check your sources Oliveoilguy. And same goes for us all.

    This report was a slip of the tongue later corrected and not evidence of ADE in the vaccines or such. Australia has a fairly low vaccination rate at this time and sadly the virus is currently concentrated in amongst 'lower paid and higher proportion of more recent immigrant' neighbourhoods of Sydney e g. those who work in food production factories etc. They are generally not vaccinated. More on the context of that clip here: https://www.aap.com.au/no-hospitalised-covid-19-patients-in-nsw-arent-all-vaccinated/

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 1:20am

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    Thanks. I was surprised that the vaccine failures would show up there. I don't doubt they are starting to escape or cause ADE but haven't seen proof yet.

    https://m.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=178548430974349&ref=watch_permalink&_rdr

    At 36 minutes.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 2:05am

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    Humidity in Relation to Outdoor Spread of Delta Variant

    In addition to sun (kills Covid well, I assume this would apply to the Delta variant as well) and wind (which obviously dispearses airborne particles), I would also like to know if anything new has emerged in relation to humidity? I recall an "S' shaped curve that Chris posted near the beginning of the pandemic, which showed that the virus particles were not stable in the air around 50% relative humidity or over 80% relative humidity. At the time, the discussion was how to prevent transmission if caring for a sick loved one, and the recommendation was to keep a humidifier running in the room so that the air would be 80% or higher humidity, which would cause the particles to drop out of the air. But I have been wondering if high humidity during the big concert (I think in FL) would be protective? The best case being, a sunny, breezy, humid day for outdoor gatherings?

     

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 2:53am

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    Hyperconfused after latest FLCCC update

    FLCCC on odysee

    After listening to the guys in the know from FLCCC in their latest update, I am very confused.

    They mention Delta as very dangerous, hype up the impact on the young (Varon mentions young and healthy as affected) and even healthy getting seriously ill. They also mention about 30% of infected to develop long-covid….

    They emphasize their treatment protocol and the importance to prepare the terrain with vitamins etc

    Ivermectin still big on the agenda, however I am effectively blocked from access. Although I feel healthy, had taken vitamins consistently and exercise often I am not comparable to a healthy teenager so if they can be affected….

    Of course this is a numbers game and the chances are still relatively low, still the push for getting a jab seem to get underscored by this episode should someone be barred from access to Ivermectin.

    Anyone able to lift the veal on this puzzle?

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 4:02am

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    Re Why non sterilizing antibodies matters

    The short term problem of non sterilizing vaccines is not to the recipient. It means that the virus can replicate inside the vaccinated host and learn to evolve away from the vaccine. Immune escape will come from the vaccinated, not the unvaccinated.

    The other thing missing is that the risk reward ratio you are looking at is short term and not long term. In time, antibody titers will wane and your system will be primed to fight a viral enemy that has been selected out of existence.  So individually you will be vulnerable again (perhaps even worse off if ADE occurs.)

    Additionally, some people are not understanding the damage done by vaccination. The spike protein is toxic in and of itself. So the vax causes some of the damage it is meant to avoid.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 5:13am

    Andy in the Sun

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    healthy teenager?

    @ Terminator,

    Although I feel healthy, had taken vitamins consistently and exercise often I am not comparable to a healthy teenager so if they can be affected….

    Hmm... are our teenager nowadays really so healthy (compared with the 60th and 70th) after getting carefully feed with all that nice stuff like HFCS, PUFA, a little glyphosate & all kind of drugs etc.

    I guess you underestimate yourself a little  😉

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 6:17am

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    When we mess with complex systems we don't fully understand.

    I remember Dr Geert Vanden Bossche explaining the innate immune system (think it was his interview with Brett Weinstein). He explained how it consisted of antibodies and cells which are low affinity, but plentiful. They recognise a range of motifs as self and non-self. This innate immunity was the reason >99% were unaffected by their exposures to Sars CoV2 in 2020. Yes, it has limits, and is saturable if you and an infectious person  spent too long in an enclosed, unventilated space. Now, the vaccines, he explained, produced a highly specific antibody of high affinity. This was going to outcompete the innate system. Once jabbed,  these non sterilising vaccines, he argued, would produce an immune pressure on the virus to direct it to go around such a targeted attack.(immune escape). We are seeing that in real time now with 3913 variants.

    Everyone thinks the vaccine is like a pill or something and that they can factory reset back to where they were prior to the jab (with respect to their innate immunity). You are left without innate immunity , and an acquired(vaccine) immunity which is becoming less and less effective.

    So, here we have a situation where we have poorly, or non protecting antibodies binding, but not destroying, reducing in titre (sometimes halving in as little as 6 weeks) after the jab and leaving vaccinated people, not only vulnerable to infection, but trending towards more vulnerable than the unvaccinated .( esp if If the unnamed source claiming higher viral titres from swabs of vaccinated turns out to be confirmed).  Dr Joe Varon mentions a cohort of vaccinated and infected with a 20% mortality?

    This looks like the signal for ADE, we didn't want to see.

    .

     

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/XTcKFAOZM7cW/?fbclid=IwAR01V9sBi367l2bOT_7iHVa9AJFvjV6orcv9tyaLUYzhdA4S0BPyUMwciZg

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/rmUPOVWuL86w/

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 1:33pm

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    fauci given a talking-to

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 2:00pm

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    Brilliant post Dragonfishy

    Everyone thinks the vaccine is like a pill or something and that they can factory reset back to where they were prior to the jab (with respect to their innate immunity). You are left without innate immunity , and an acquired(vaccine) immunity which is becoming less and less effective.

    I am not sure that it's as totally black-and-white as being left "without native immunity" completely, but I do consider this as generally happening.  The way I have depicted it is that our native immunity is hobbled.

    Where is this going?  It seems a matter of not if, but when a more deadly variant arises as a result of the massive gain-of-function experiment going on amongst the vaccinated, the CFR is likely to skyrocket.  If we are still free to do so, the non-vaccinated should still have the option of stepping up their game for chemical prophylaxis, including constant use of nasal and mucosol-level prophylaxis.  We should all get used to carrying around a flask of our gargle-of-choice and a taking few shots of carageenan nasal spray.

    Note to self:   We should start a new thread on making our own nasal spray formulations and delivery devices for such.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 2:14pm

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    "This is the sound of inevitability, Mr Anderson."

    One of the propaganda techniques being used is the

    1.  everyone, everywhere is doing it, and,

    2.  it is inevitable.

    This is not at all true.  No one can force you to take a vaccination.  (But they can hurt you as punishment for not taking it.)

    The goal is to make everyone believe that they really have no choice, and that their eventual capitulation is inevitable.   So why fight it.   Just take it now?

    But that is not true.  Nothing is inevitable.  And we each always have the power to say no.

    Gradually, airlines, restaurants and sporting venues will discover that they really miss all of those unvaxxed paying customers.  There is economic power in our numbers.

    And the limitations of the vaxxine will become more and more apparent and the pissed off people who say "enough" will grow.  My vision of how this goes.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 2:46pm

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    Kat43 said:

    SP, I disagree that at least some of us can't be forced to get vaccinated.  I'm on the elderly side and living very well on my own in a standalone house and no family to fall back on.  There are areas in the country where public health puts people like me away.  I better continue to generate the appearance that I'm managing (darn, guess I have to mow the front yard more often).

    Jim, I agree we could use some collaboration on nasal spray formulas and means.  I figured out some of it but there's a gap.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 2:46pm

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    Correct, Sandpuppy...calls to mind another Matrix quote --

    "there are levels of survival we are willing to accept." -- the Architect.

    I just gave up my smartphone and got a flip-phone.

    I am willing to retool my business into a private, speakeasy-type invite-only operation.  Will probably shrink my revenue by 50% but if I cut my overhead by 90% (by operating out of a private space instead of a commercial space) I can get by -- esp if I am also not going out into public spaces (where we filthy unvaxxed are no longer allowed) and instead staying home and gardening 20 hours a week or so.

    It might actually be a better life.  Less money, more free time, less travel, more time at home with family/ohana, time to read and write and play music and canoodle with my mate and go for swims and slow cook and slow eat.

    So -- go on, TPTB, get all draconian on us filthy unvaxxed.  As Sandpuppy says, pretty quick the economy will feel the absence of all of us.  Can't say for sure whether we'll miss what you want to take away...

    In this growing presence of oppression and creeping totalitarianism, I feel freer all the time.  How interesting.

    May Fortune favor us all -- and VIVA!! -- Sager

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 3:05pm

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    Playing in the poker game of our lives!

    I see this as the poker game of our lives. Our opponent is playing their hand as the mother of all bluffs. We have a super strong hand with proven prophylactics, exercise and healthy living. We have a hand that gives us confidence to stay 'all in' and call their bluff. Force em' to fold! They are feeling the heat and getting desperate, as evidenced by how much they are putting in the pot in their effort to destroy our confidence. They cannot afford to lose! They know there will be no place on this Earth to hide. No where to run from what they have done to humanity.

    You gotta know when to hold em', know when to fold em'. This is for all the marbles. We cannot afford to lose either! Our constitutional rights to life and liberty, freedom from medical tyranny, demand that we do not fold, not now, not ever!

    And I am with Sager - life can be better if we choose to think and behave in that way!

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 3:08pm

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    Another Pierre Kory tweet for Kat43 and all

    I just realized that the last Pierre Kory tweet that I published earlier in this tread (#44) has received over 40 upvotes.  I have never seen that many upvotes - it is a testament to the well deserved appreciation people feel for doctors like Kory and McCullough for their selfless efforts at REAL public health.

    Smaller topic here, but still important.. Pierre agrees with our desire to focus on nasal and mucosol cleansing;

     

    BTW, if you go onto Amazon.com and search for "empty sinus spray bottles" you will see all manner of offerings.  This is step 1 at least.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 3:28pm

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    nasal spray bottles

    I'm finding that "nasal spray bottles" works better, at least on Amazon.ca, and there are glass ones available, not only plastic ones.

    (perhaps this is a tomayto-tomahto thing?)

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 3:33pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    The ones I've found are a delivery date of Sept 10th. Which would be okay but we are moving and don't want it to go to the wrong address. Did you find any with quicker delivery?

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 3:39pm

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    Susan7 said:

    I started the iota-carrageenan nasal spray last week but I sometimes forget to use it. I’m aiming for Q4h if and when around people. But I haven’t settled on an oral swish. I tried a dilute povidine swish but it was just horrid. Maybe if I add some peppermint oil? Anyone have any suggestions? Would regular mouthwash do the job? And what about the recommendation of inhaling essential oils on the I-MASK protocol? Which ones and when? I bought a nebulizer but I don’t think it would work with Vicks Vaporub. I think we will probably need to be a little more proactive in doing mucosal hygiene but I need more guidance.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 4:05pm

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    Ways to fight back

    What powers do we have to refuse vaccination and push back on this?

    1.  Vaccine exemptions.  Another doctor I know who is intensely opposed to forced vaccinations (due to a vaccine injured child) has consulted with a lawyer and advises that the RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION is the most bulletproof  legally.

    A one sentence statement can be made.  It can be a personal religious belief.  You do not need to name the religion or explain ANYTHING.  Less is better.  Just make your statement.    This is a constitutional law issue now.

    Example of the Virginia Religious Vaccine Exemption form his here.

    2.   Prepare to change jobs.  We need our jobs but we forget that they need us too.  Prepare your resume and make calls to alternative work locations.  Put in applications and get actual interviews.   Think about the logistics of the transition and make plans.

    Don't quit.  Don't give notice.  Don't say bad things about the employer.  Be clear that you want to continue to work there but have decided to not get the vaccine.  Be polite, as the person enforcing the policy may strongly believe in the rightness of the vax.

    In negotiations they talk about pre-planning your "walk away price."  Get this clearly defined.

    At my little rural hospital, only 42% of the staff is vaccinated or plans to get vaccinated.  Our numbers give us power.

    3.  Be prepared to politely and clearly explain the problems with the vaccine.  (Lack of animal studies, and persistent reports of vaccine harms.)

    I am personally ready to lead an employer through the EudraVigilance database to show the number of deaths that healthcare providers believe resulted from the Moderna Covid vaccine.  (1,700+ in 6 months.)  Your CEO or employer may incorrectly believe that you are crazy, or delusional, or a crack pot because he/she has not seen this kind of data.   You must demonstrate to him or her that you are level headed, and lead them to solid evidence that would give pause to any thinking person.

    I would ask them politely:

    "May I show you the European Union database on adverse reactions to one of the vaccines?

    Save this link and bookmark it!  It is hard to find!  (Put it in you iPhone so that you always have it with you.)

    As important as the data is, even more important is demonstrating that you are calm, level headed and reasonable.  Don't exude emotional energy.   You are not a "right-wing nut job."  (Don't talk like Alex Jones!!)  Show your intelligence and emotional balance.

    https://www.adrreports.eu/en/index.html

    4.  Approach your favorite restaurant owner.  "I love your restaurant and want to continue to bring my family here.  But I don't feel that the vaccine is safe and won't be getting it. Please help me find a way to continue to patronize your wonderful restaurant."   And your theater owner.  Let them know that you want to continue to patronize but are not going to be vaccinated.  Your restaurant and theater owners are now motivated to find work-arounds to keep your business.  They become allies.

    5.   Plan on car trips where airlines and trains once were standard.  Buy an old fashioned map and road atlas.  It now takes a week to cross the country.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 4:08pm

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    Jae888 said:

    I use Listerine Antiseptic moutwash and this is one of the moutwashes studied as per the link below and shown to be effective:  https://www.rutgers.edu/news/certain-mouthwashes-might-stop-covid-19-virus-transmission

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 4:18pm

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    20,595 fatalities in latest EudraVigilance update

    Speaking of EudraVigilance as sand_puppy has just linked to . . .

    20,595 deaths in their latest report per https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/20595-dead-1-9-million-injured-50-serious-reported-in-european-unions-database-of-adverse-drug-reactions-for-covid-19-shots/

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 4:29pm

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    Where is the data?

    It is really unfortunate that we don't have more specific data regarding the 'young' which have been affected.  Information such as :

    What is their diet composed of? Are they obese or suffering from anxiety?  Do they spend much time outside or busy with the affairs of the screen? The lifestyle issues that play into the susceptibility to contract disease are many and varied.

    I am 74 and have no more concern about Covid than I do about Cancer or a car wreck. Don't get me wrong, I am not proposing a care less attitude because I know that I don't want any of those things happening to me or my friends and family. I am talking about obsessive concern over Covid which in my opinion is less likely to affect me than many other potential risks I am exposed too.

    I do a lot of farming for example when I am not 'practicing' architecture or involved in a construction project. Here are my risk factors based on a google search:

    Overturns, run overs, entanglement, and highway collisions involving agricultural tractors kill approximately 250 people a year and are by far the leading cause of death and serious injury in agriculture.

    A total of 5,333 workers died from a work-related injury in the U.S. in 2019, up 2 percent from the 2018 total of 5,250. The fatal work injury rate was 3.5 fatalities per 100,000 full-time equivalent (FTE) workers, which was the rate reported in 2018.

    The age-adjusted death rate attributable to cardiovascular disease (CVD), based on 2018 data, is 217.1 per 100,000. On average, someone dies of CVD every 36 seconds in the US. There are 2,380 deaths from CVD each day, based on 2018 data.
    In checking for daily Covid-19 deaths in the US I find the current weekly average is 388 deaths per day.
    So the big question is whether I should be worried about catching the Flu from a visit to the store or whether I should be more focused on the Big Mac and order of fries ...... or getting started on my next construction project?!!!  Looks like planting a garden and doing some farming should keep me safe for awhile!
    Coop
    PS: No I won't be getting vaccinated  ....... for Covid at least. I did get a Shingles vaccination last year and so far I have not had any breakthrough events!
    My goodness, what to do

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 4:37pm

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    EudraVigilance interpretations

    Disco Bear and DaveDD,

    I am worried that the health impact news is exaggerating the death counts.  Any exaggeration weakens the argument.

    When I put in the "selected reaction" of "Death" I'm only getting 1,700 from the Moderna shot, not the 5,460 number they are reporting.  1,700 is a horrifyingly big number already.

    I have not gone through each sub category, though.

    Do the numbers reported at health impact news seem right to you??

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 4:41pm

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    Replying to "This is the sound of inevitability, Mr Anderson." (#167)

    I agree with everything you have said here sand-puppy.

    People also need to stick together on this matter - whether or not they believe in the Covid shots.  I think it's time to change the conversation with friends and colleagues, from vaccines and vaccine passports, to all the heavy handed totalitarian measures being put in place, as both Covid shot supporters and opposers should agree that these are a concern going forward.  In France for example, record numbers of people have been vaccinated per day since Macron's announcement, but if I remember correctly only half the population had a 1st jab, so it's unfortunate these people didn't stop to consider that France is unlikely to have enough jail cells to accommodate half the country.  And what are they going to do if they fine half the country and people simply don't pay the fine?

    I've started to reply to the emails I'm getting with happy announcements of freedoms for 'fully vaccinated' clients or travelers, and telling them that as long as they have this policy in place I will not give them my business.  I don't tell them that I'm unvaccinated, and I make my letters sound as though I am in the vaccinated group but I oppose on ethical grounds and that it's an invasion of privacy.

    For those who feel forced to get a jab because their employer requires it, consider this:  what if 2 weeks after you are 'fully vaccinated' your employer informs you that they must reduce staff due to lower than expected profits this year and you are in the group that is being layed off?  How would you feel?  A mandate of an experimental 'vaccine' does not necessarily represent job security.  At the end of the day, they really don't care about you.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 4:47pm

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    Replying to Friedrichs_teeth said: (#173)

    no.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 4:59pm

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    EudraVigilance and Vaers...numbers

    Vaccine adverse event reporting systems, such as VAERS, in the U.S. provide numbers for each type of incident, such as death, which are all extremely LOW.  The actual numbers of adverse incidents are much higher, as the reported incidents in the report only reflect 1% to 10% of the real world numbers involved.

    EudraVigilance reporting suffers this same LOW number issue.  One can easily 5X the provided number in this report and still be LOW to the actual real world numbers.

    The fact is, world wide, one is looking at over 100,000 dead, and 4,000,000 seriously injured by the mRNA serums...Pfizer and Moderna...alone.

    And THIS IS ONLY THE SHORT TERM HARM THEY HAVE DONE!!

    Both the SARS COV 2 virus, and both mRNA serums, have PRION DOMAINS, engineered into their S1/S2 spikes.  So, long term harm from these serums may include various prion related brain diseases.

    The two animal tests made with the mRNA "vaccines" resulted in ALL the animals becoming  ill with prion related brain diseases...100%.  The monkeys were all euthanized at six weeks...and all displayed prion related brain diseases.

    The Director of AstraZeneca vaccine died from a prion related brain disease...recently.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 5:00pm

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    The French get pissed

    WE are the 4th wave

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 5:03pm

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    New system for reporting

    Children’s Health Defense (CHD) has joined with Doctors for COVID Ethics and other organizations around the globe to encourage and make it easy for healthcare professionals and vaccine recipients to report injuries and adverse reactions to any vaccines, including COVID vaccines.

    CHD and Doctors for COVID Ethics urge all healthcare professionals who are aware of a vaccine adverse event, and anyone who suspects they have suffered any kind of adverse side effect — from any vaccine — to report these injuries. This information is critical in the assessment of vaccine safety.

    There are three ways to report an adverse event:

    VaxxTracker gives people a safe place to report symptoms they believe resulted from a vaccine.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 5:30pm

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    Disco Bear said:

    sand_puppy, I can't confirm or deny what Health Impact News has reported.  In my brief visit to https://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html# I had trouble logging in.  I was finally able to log in and made this screen capture:

    Link to full size image: https://www.peakprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Moderna-cases-1.png

    84,587 cases for the Moderna jab, which is significantly less than the 212,474 injuries that Health Impact News has reported.  I'm not familiar enough with EudraVigilance to know how to filter for fatalities or deaths only.  Do you also get 84,587 cases?

    Health Impact News makes the following claim on https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/20595-dead-1-9-million-injured-50-serious-reported-in-european-unions-database-of-adverse-drug-reactions-for-covid-19-shots/ :

    Health Impact News subscriber in Europe ran the reports for each of the four COVID-19 shots we are including here. This subscriber has volunteered to do this, and it is a lot of work to tabulate each reaction with injuries and fatalities, since there is no place on the EudraVigilance system we have found that tabulates all the results.

    Since we have started publishing this, others from Europe have also calculated the numbers and confirmed the totals.*

     

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 5:35pm

    stealyourface

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    stealyourface said:

    dryam2000,

    that picture reminds me of our break room at the hospital. Everyone must mask, wear shields, gowns  - stay way.  When lunch time occurs we can put 9 people in a 8x14 room unmasked eating together. Heck the OR break room will have about 30 staff eating at the same time

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 5:48pm

    Dontknownothin

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    Interesting read on vaccines in general

    A friend of mine sent me this but its a longitudinal study from the NIH on vaccinated children verses unvaccinated children. The surprise conclusion is that unvaccinated children are actually much healthier!

    I think you can extrapolate this to include covid vaccines but the study does not include them. Interesting none the less.

    We could detect no widespread negative health effects in the unvaccinated other than the rare but significant vaccine-targeted diagnosis. We can conclude that the unvaccinated children in this practice are not, overall, less healthy than the vaccinated and that indeed the vaccinated children appear to be significantly less healthy than the unvaccinated.

    Figure 5 from the study shows this trend:

    Edit: given the pencil-whippiness of the covid vax EUA process and its dependence on previous vaccine ingredients presumed "safe", we can see that many public health issues are well observed as a result of vaccination in general, but this is as much a glimpse of the types of issues yet to be seen from this current one as anything. By way of disclaimer, I am well vaccinated so this struck me as an undesireable outcome.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 6:21pm

    Canuck21

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    VAERS Covid death reports -- over 2/3 made by health professionals says study

    Hi Sand_Puppy, you said that VAERS reporting is done primarily by lay people. Bret & Heather say this:

    "McLachlan et al 2021 authored a paper (still in pre-print) that analyzes a sample (15%) of Covid vaccine death reports from VAERS. They found that at least 67% of those reports were from health service employees—reporting on behalf of patients—and a further 5% were from pharmaceutical employees. This suggests a certain level of rigor in VAERS reports."

    https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/on-driving-sars-cov2-extinct

     

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 6:34pm

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    Vax v. Unvax study

    That is definitely NOT an NIH study.  It reflects the patients in Dr. Paul Thomas' pediatrics practice.  He lost his medical license when the article was published because doctors who defy the standard child vax schedule must be punished even if those children are doing better.  For any one who has really read up on vaccines, it isn't a surprise at all that unvaccinated children tend to be much healthier than vaccinated children.  Not one of the vaccines our children are given has ever been tested for safety, only against "controls" that are toxic.  FDA and CDC are ok with this.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 6:36pm

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    More Info on Prion Disease?

    I have not had time to research this one, could someone give me a quick low-down on what this is? Spike protein crosses BBB and causes inflammation? Something more than that?

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 6:43pm

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    Advice re: Pushing back on employer Covid shot mandate

    Here is an advice column from Patrick Wood's website 'Technocracy'.  Some of the suggestions may be of interest to people in the situation where employers are mandating Covid shots:

    https://www.technocracy.news/ask-allan-my-employer-wants-me-to-get-the-vaccine-what-do-i-do/

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 6:53pm

    Dontknownothin

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    Dontknownothin said:

    Looks like you're right. 3200 patients in Portland OR. I was under the impression oregon was a vaccine-choice state so I'm not sure how the doctor could be held liable for parental decisions. But like Covid data, it doesn't matter what the evidence says, only that it reinforces the narrative.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 7:02pm

    Dontknownothin

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    Prion diseases

    The prions come from misfolding of the protein chains. Glycine, X, X, X, Glycine. This causes the proteins to clump together by hooking onto each other and then... I'm not certain of the mechanism thereafter. Prion diseases are encephalopathy so the brain swells from infection putting pressure on it and erosion of the myelin sheathing tocause misfiring neurons. Like electrical circuits grounding out, this causes tremors and phantom pains and then a person is driven insane from sleep deprivation and neuropathy. That's my understanding, but I only have a degree from Google University there.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 7:07pm

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    Prion resource

    You can start here;

    https://prions.rip/

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 7:08pm

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    Replying to Susan7 (#174)

    You could consider masking the horrid taste of the iodine by mixing it with some lemon juice and a tiny bit of pure Stevia powder.

    I am also interested in knowing which essential oils were being referred to in the Mask+ protocol....

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 7:41pm

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    @ reflector

    I am so sorry reflector, I can only thumb-up you once  😀 😀 😀

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 7:53pm

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    Reply to Jim H

    "Note to self: We should start a new thread on making our own nasal spray formulations and delivery devices for such."

    Sounds good to me. 🙂

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 8:12pm

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    Repeated flu shots may blunt effectiveness

    @ Dontknow & Kat

    As promised a few weeks (or month) ago, here an update. Because finally, after spending an hour crawling through my browser history, I found the article over which I stumbled again.

    https://www.cmaj.ca/content/187/6/E180

    In this article Canadian researchers published their interim estimates of 2014/15 influenza vaccine effectiveness and found that the Vaccine effectiveness for subjects who took the influenza shot in both years (seasons), the vaccine effectiveness of the second year was -15% less compared to subjects who only took the vaccine in one season.

    I suggested already many month ago that many of the middle aged persons in western countries, who had a more difficult COVID encounter, might have been people who continuously took the seasonal flu shot and hence were lacking of natural broad spectrum immunity.

    I strongly believe that it would be interesting to have some statistics on that… but also I am sure that this will not happen, because it would be too correct.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 8:36pm

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    MsSmith said:

    Found a chart part way down this page with mouthwash containing cetylpyridinium chloride (middle) which is what you need.

    https://www.listerineprofessional.com/studentsandfaculty/studentresources/not-all-rinses-are-the-same

    On that page it talks about some aromatic oils that look like they may be a possibility (not sure) and

    antimicrobials.  Fragrant oils seem a bit of a guess at this point.

    I watched a video where a SA doctor that suggested Betadine.  I already have betadine for sore throats and although it isn't bad it contains some iodine so a yellow/brown tinge.  Not a good look for a nose!

    Here is the video the doc spoke in + my video notes with timestamp.

    7:40 Nasal or oriphangeal desanitization. Virus replicates in the nose, mouth and nasal pharanx. Using cholhexadine or betadine (or aromatic oils..) as a rinse you will decrease viral replication leading to a decreased likelyhood of spreading the virus or severe disease. Recommends a package of interventions that work together to improve immunity and decrease severity of infection.

    Ref: https://odysee.com/@MartaGB:2/PaulMarik:a

     

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 9:52pm

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    laurel77 said:

    Re: making our own nasal spray.

    I have been reusing plastic nasal spray bottles and filling with colloidal silver and a few drops of concentrated GSE, grapefruit seed extract. GSE is known to be antiviral, antifungal and antibacterial. We also use colloidal silver in a nebulizer at first sign of cold or bronchial problems.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 9:58pm

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    Oversimplification

    It's more nuanced than that, davefairtex. Even the WHO guidelines on recording death say that it's not simply the test for COVID-19 that matters; there must be a plausible sequence from COVID-19 to the proximate cause of death.

    I do know that VAERS is a voluntary reporting system that anyone can enter into, so treating it as gospel is not science.

    I'm glad that Chris didn't take the line that vaccines are unsafe, in the video. It seems clear to me that a claim that they are unsafe, even if made on VAERS data, is not reasonable (unless "safe" = "no adverse events").

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 10:20pm

    stealyourface

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    stealyourface said:

    My solution for TPTB

    I say we blow the F'ers up

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 10:23pm

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    Who has had their own vaccine?

    The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine developers took their own vaccine.

    The Pfizer CEO took his company's vaccine.

    Any more?

    At least these companies are producing vaccines that they think are safe.

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 11:38pm

    Netlej

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    More lies

    Sofistek - After all the lies and mistruths why in gods name would you post this as if it is fact? Oh... because they said so... why would they lie?

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 11:42pm

    Dontknownothin

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    Dontknownothin said:

    Jim H,

    You always find such good stuff. Looks like quinine is once again a world saver.  Vodka tonics through the apocalypse I guess.

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 12:23am

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    Well, how do you define safe? I tend to think of owning goldfish as safe. Or maybe playing cards with my family. Or things like that. Everything else seems to have risk. Now how much risk defines how unsafe it is. Airplane rides are supposedly safer than cars. But what about those 3 BA pilots? The regular vaccines are way less deadly than the disease. But the Pfizer vaccine covid trial had equal death rates. So I guess they could be said to be as safe as covid.

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 1:16am

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    followup to question about how they test for delta variant...

    I tried to "run this up the flagpole" as well.  Here's what I learned -- and no, there is no documentation other than this message, because there isn't anything available to anyone.  It is 100% heresay, to EVERYONE, the epidemiologists, the health department, etc.

    So...

    1. The county sends "a selection" of the tests they get to the state. The selection is up to the county, and I guess each one is different.
    2. The state lab picks the one with the most viral load. Ostensibly this is because the tests are not that accurate, so you need the the most "stuff" to work with. How they make the determination and what their selection process was turned out to be a complete mystery, even to the one person at the state I asked.
    3. If it is positive, then they use a "specific" PCR test to determine which variant it is.  What is that test?  Not only could nobody tell me what it WAS, nobody had ever heard of one that could make the differentiation.  But "somehow" you can "look at it" and sort of "tell the difference."  If you are thinking "tea leaves," then you are on the same page as I am.
    4. After doing the nostradamus deal, "someone" declares there are X tests that are the Delta variant.  Then "someone" multiplies X by Y, and reports to the county how many folks they have with the Delta variant.
    5. Since nobody tracks how many samples had "enough" of a viral load, and since nobody tracks how many of those were positive (it <should> be 100%, right???), then how do you determine what Y should be?  How do you even know what X is?  If you're still thinking "tea leaves," then we're tracking together.
    6. A "selected number" of positive "delta variant" tests are sent to some other lab to be examined at the genetic level.  But the folks who were talking to me were not sure if there was a way for the lab to report back what the actual variant was.

    Clear as mud?

    I finished the conversation with a comment like "hell, I could pull numbers out of my butt like that for a whole lot less money; they'd have 'data,' they'd save money, and I'd be stinking rich...  win-win!

    The original message was about a hospital's tests, and that nobody at the hospital sends the tests to the state.  That aligns precisely with what I learned.  It is only the county health department which does, and they only send the ones given to them.  So unless the hospital is sending their tests to the county, then they are simply never part of the equation.  I guess if the county tells the hospital how many Delta variant cases they had, it was more tea leaves.

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 1:22am

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    how do you know????

    I spent a fair number of years working in and around the medical industry.  I saw more then one doctor administer the "flu vaccine" to themselves and his/her staff.  The forms were all official, with appropriate signatures, etc, and everyone got a shot.  But instead of the flu vaccine, they all got a healthy dose of B-complex.

    Knowing what they have to know, I could imagine all of these folks went on record as getting the experimental gene therapy (AKA "vaccine"), but what was injected was something vastly different.

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 2:07am

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    Sofistek.. I'm gonna say this nice

    I do know that VAERS is a voluntary reporting system that anyone can enter into, so treating it as gospel is not science.

    I'm glad that Chris didn't take the line that vaccines are unsafe, in the video. It seems clear to me that a claim that they are unsafe, even if made on VAERS data, is not reasonable

    You have no idea what you are talking about.  VAERS, for all it's faults, is the vaccine safety signaling system we have.  Total Bullshit to say something is not science if it's not perfect.  Science is about understanding and accounting for bias, and lack of accuracy and precision in data.  It's signalling like crazy.  For all the cover ups, and all the doctors terrified to speak out and blame the vaccines for all the damage they are creating, it's still quite obvious to anyone with eyes.

    It's people like you that come up with oxymoronic bullshit like, "mild mycarditis".   I will call you out for doing it here.

    You can comfort yourself all you want that the vax is safe.. you are not convincing anyone here though.

    Vax damage discussed here:  https://twitter.com/Mrnavse

    And here:    https://twitter.com/HPVSideEffects

    And here:  https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/real-testimonials.html

    96 pages documenting why the mRNA vaccines are not safe;  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AD0lL3Rm4lDExo4q7McBxeeHOqO8bCWWerlGu7YJubQ/edit#

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 3:05am

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    Nothing and no-one can be believed

    OK, Netlej. I get it, you believe nothing that counters your beliefs. That's entirely up to you. Of course they would have a reason to lie but your take is that they definitely are lying. You don't know that and I feel that they are telling the truth. To put it the other way, why would they put out a product that is unsafe? They are setting themselves up for an almighty settlement in the future if they did. But remember that health authorities the world over have also looked at the data and decided it is safe enough to use.

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 3:19am

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    regulatory capture

    I do know that VAERS is a voluntary reporting system that anyone can enter into, so treating it as gospel is not science.

    I made an observation.  Every death post-COVID-positive-test is called a "COVID death", unless someone actually points out a gunshot wound, or perhaps a decapitation.   Every death post-vaccine is rigorously examined, with every benefit of the doubt given to finding any other cause of death besides the vaccine.  "Oh look!  A tumor!  Cancer, not the shot, is the cause of death!"

    This hypocritical double standard is what I'm referring to.  This double-standard is one key indication that "the fix is in."

    There is a monstrously large amount of money to be made in vaccines, and new on-patent drugs for this pandemic.  Tens of billions - hundreds of billions - hang in the balance.

    The corruption in the regulatory system - called regulatory capture - has been there for decades.  Once upon a time, all my favorite liberals knew this.  Which is why I was one. Their skepticism helped keep me alive.  But now - most of these same liberals have suddenly developed terrible cases of amnesia, and now act as though Pharma is run by people who are, without a doubt, the Second Coming of Our Lord and Saviour.

    I mean.  How can smart people I used to admire become so incredibly...forgetful of what has come before?  So brainwashed?  I have no idea how this happened.  All our usual watchdogs are fast asleep.

    Pharma is gonna Pharma.  That's just what they do.  Same as Big Tobacco.  Same as Big Oil.  They're all horribly sociopathic.  They don't care whether we live or die, as long as they can make money off us.  And they corrupt institutions of government with their money, they bend them to their will, and we pay the price.

    One way is by having a VAERS system that mis-functions by design.  Another way is to construct hypocritical double standards - one "easy" one for their product, and another "hard" one for their competition.

    And when you give them a "liability free" opportunity to distribute their latest "miracle"...you are just asking to be hosed.

    I do not trust Pharma.  Or Tobacco.  Or Oil.  Not this year, not last year, not last decade.  I have a functioning memory.

    What about you?

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 3:56am

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    Woah

    Jim H, I merely said that taking VAERS data at face value without investigation is not reasonable.

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 4:04am

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    Equal death rates

    Friedrichs_teeth, that's news to me. Are you saying that the stage 3 trials for the Pfizer vaccine had the same death rate as the disease had? Do you have some reference for that, as I need to look at that. I can't imagine the vaccine getting authorisation in so many countries which have looked at the data, if that was the case. It would put a whole new perspective on the situation and would make Chris's top right quadrant suggestion (that older people with comorbidities should take the vaccine) invalid, too.

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 4:34am

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    pfizer supplementary trial data

    Trial:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full.pdf

    supplementary link:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.supplementary-material

    Tables in PDF form - see page 12:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/2021.07.28.21261159/DC1/embed/media-1.pdf?download=true

    Page 12: all cause mortality.  Do you avoid death or not?   This is the money shot.

    Vaccine mandates now!  To protect grandma!

    Pharma gonna pharma.

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 7:02am

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    Interesting supplementary data

    Thank, davefairtex. Very good reference. On the face of it, we see similar (one more in vaccinated) all cause mortality and similar (but almost no) COVID-19 related deaths (2 in placebo, 1 in vaccinated), though there isn't enough info to determine whether there's more to that. Table S6 shows 30 severe COVID-19 cases in the placebo group but only 1 in the vaccinated group; maybe that suggests the placebo group got very good treatment so that only 2 died of the disease but the 1 severe case in the vaccinated group did result in death (from "COVID-19 Pneumonia", whatever that means).

    It would be good to see Chris analyse this.

    Is this the data that Friedrichs_teeth was referring to? I guess, statistically, he/she is correct but one piece of data I couldn't find was total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in each group (though it does have a severe COVID-19 count). Claimed efficacy is quite high but I don't have the skills to check whether that's a reasonable conclusion in the study. It'll be interesting to see how the peer review goes.

    As far as safety is concerned, the vaccine seems to be as safe as the placebo.

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 8:03am

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    vaccine safety

    As far as safety is concerned, the vaccine seems to be as safe as the placebo.

    As far as safety/mortality is concerned, I agree.  [Another way to view this is: the vaccine is just as dangerous as COVID19 is.]

    As far as "adverse events" are concerned - you tell me which group you'd rather be in (seen on page 11):

    "Any event" - Group 1: 30%, Group 2: 14%
    "Severe event" - Group 1: 1.2%, Group 2: 0.7%.

    Note: this is all happening in a context of NO TREATMENTS FOR YOU.  If we had an early treatment that dropped our mortality by 70%, the shot looks like a terrible idea.

    Hey.  Maybe that's why we don't have any treatments available to us in the US!

    Word of the day: "Regulatory Capture"

    [Bizarre.  I keep trying to add in an uploaded image, but it won't add.  I'll try one more time.]

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  • Wed, Aug 04, 2021 - 7:26pm

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    Good points

    Good points, Dave. Definitely food for thought but I would like to see some analysis of this from those with the appropriate skills. On the face of it, severe COVID-19 cases were much lower (but I don't know whether that's significant). I also did find some figures on all COVID-19 cases, in the main study paper, on page 6. Between dose 1 and dose 2, there were 46 cases in the vaccinated group versus 113 in the placebo group (a claimed efficacy of 58.4%). My uneducated guess is that this perhaps downgrades the severe case advantage that the vaccinated group apparently had. However, the paper then says that efficacy against being a confirmed case increased, at peak protection, to 96.2% but eventually declined to 83.7% by the end of the study. No actual numbers were given for post dose 2 cases.

    Thanks again for the reference. Will try to keep track of how the peer review goes.

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  • Thu, Aug 05, 2021 - 1:43am

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    Costs of Covid Vaccines revealed

    In an actual copy of a Pfizer contract - 1 dose of Covid-19 vaccine is $12.00 US.  See  https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/frontlinenews/information-security-expert-on-revealed-pfizer-agreements-theres-good-reason-pfizer-fought-to-hide-the-details-of-these-contracts/

    New data on costs for vaccines with Moderna being the most expensive - see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9IEBa2B14.  New prices far higher than the original $12.00, now bordering on 20.00.

     

     

    According to Chris in a recent video on the facts of Covid-19 vaccine - the second quarter profits for Pfizer is 33 billion dollars.

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  • Fri, Aug 06, 2021 - 5:27pm

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    There is no investigation - that's the problem and prima facia Malfeasance

    "Jim H, I merely said that taking VAERS data at face value without investigation is not reasonable."

    Your response reminds me of the suppression of Ivermectin; "We can't see any evidence of its effectiveness b/c there are no RCTs"  (and by the way We won't be funding any just so you know)

    The public health authorities are not giving the public safety briefings, and there is none (to my knowledge) any "investigation" by the authorities of the VAERS data.    Why not?   Because "The Vaccine is Safe".    See the logic there ?   Don't look for what you don't want to find.

     

     

    Each VAERS entry is reviewed and confirmed by the CDC.

    VAERS data available to the public include only the initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which contains data from medical records and corrections reported during follow up are used by the government for analysis. However, for numerous reasons including data consistency, these amended data are not available to the public.    https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

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  • Sat, Aug 07, 2021 - 8:43am

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    Liberal who didn't lose her mind

    As a liberal myself, I totally agree.

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  • Sun, Aug 08, 2021 - 6:53pm

    Arthur Robey

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    Lost in the Noise

    In missive to partner.

    There are two possibilities.
    1. Dr David Jacobs is a CIA operative and has faked the entire book.
    2. Dr. David Jacobs is legitimate and the infiltration is afoot.

    • This phone in my hand says alien technology.
    • The injection of the carbon nano- particles says alien technology
    • The Total and Absolute insistence that we are all injected with alien technology implies Alien command and control.

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  • Sun, Aug 08, 2021 - 8:27pm

    Arthur Robey

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    Jon Rapoport on podbean, Delingpod.

    Podbean was chewing up too much of my memory so I had to delete it; however, I did get to listen to Jon Rapoport trying, and failing, to explain the full spectrum dominance that the media have over what we get to hear.

    (I warm to Jon, he tries hard and really cares).

    How can I open his Overton Window? How can I place before him the puzzle keystone piece, without which nothing makes sense?

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  • Sun, Aug 08, 2021 - 8:56pm

    Arthur Robey

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    Dr. Berg finds a paper.

    Here Dr. Berg explains why some people have mild symptoms and others are wrecked.

    (Gratuitous advice: get amongst the germs. Nope; I don't like Manflu either, but it can be passed to your nearest and dearest.)





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  • Sun, Aug 08, 2021 - 11:34pm

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  • Mon, Aug 09, 2021 - 8:05pm

    Arthur Robey

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    Dr Paul Craig Roberts

    The “Covid Pandemic” Is a Money-making Hoax and Perhaps Serves Darker Agendas

     

    He doesn't get it. It's got got little to do with money. (Money isn't hard to come by; the FED has a printing press)

    It's about planetary access.

    Link.

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  • Mon, Aug 09, 2021 - 9:17pm

    roosterrancher

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    The Welcome Trust

    Hey remember the Faucci emails and the Welcome Trust? They are showing up as one of the "partners" in the Great Reset. What a coincidence!

    https://www.weforum.org/partners#W

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