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    From: Covid-19: Is Herd Immunity Possible At This Point?
  • Sun, Jul 05, 2020 - 12:58am

    Mpup

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    Reply to IG :)

    "Chimeric Frankenvirus" indeed.    Your comments as well as others here are some of the most salient anywhere.  We (governments, power brokers, and much of the scientific/medical field) seem to be in a CYA, tow the line, propagandist mode.  It's  as though we're in a "you want the truth? you can't handle the truth" period.  In the interim, tens of thousands continue to die.   Throughout history, science has been a search and quest for the "truth".   Sadly today, "truth" has become obfuscated to irrelevance, bought with the dollar, and the majority of the masses cheering it's demise.

    If (and it appears it was) this virus was created through gain of function studies, let us hope and pray it's creators haven't "screwed the pooch"  Sorry couldn't help the poor attempt at a bit of levity.  I pray all here know the peace, patience, and understanding, needed in these difficult times.  The "Truth" will set us free.

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2020 - 11:43pm

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    I'm holding out for…

    … a Carrington Event, which given our utter dependence on the Internet and high-tech electronics, would send humanity back to the Stone Age.

    You think CoViD-19 has set us back? Imagine what our situation would be like if there were no Zoom meetings, no stay-at-home work, no electricity. There's a fair chance that vehicles with computer-controlled engines would not function. And even if/when the electrical grid came back up, anything electronic that had been connected to it at the time of the event would be fried.

    Through ice core data, scientists believe the Carrington Event was a once-in-500-year event. So it could happen any time in the next 400 years or so.

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2020 - 8:07pm

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    tbp

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    Chris Martenson not asking the basic questions?

    Why did he fail to ask one of the most important questions: Will this experimental covid vaccine come filled with aluminum and other neurotoxins that previous vaccines are all laced with?

    You say you want the "terrain to be as fit as it can be"... but you say nothing about the typical vaccine adjuvants obliterating the terrain...

    That research you should've done even before considering the shady (to say the least) characters leading the efforts to suppress effective cures (like HCQ) to get to mass vaccination programs, as Prep101 points out.

    If you inject aluminum into a child without a developed blood-brain barrier (BBB), what should you expect to happen? Watch Vax xed II: The People's Truth (2019) if you're ready to face the obvious truth of the predictable effects of vaccine adjuvants (which are often primary ingredients, the attenuated pathogen a secondary ingredient if ranked by effects of the substances injected). [Oh wait, I can't post bitchute links, nope, those remain BANNED on PeakProsperity! - You'll have to paste the link together or search for it: bit chute .com/video/ 1RAAGIgNLeJU/ ]

    How much longer do you intend on shying away from the truth about vaccines[-as-they-are-today]?

    The biggest risk factors for Covid seem to be:

    1) Vitamin D deficiency (aggravated by lockdowns but lessened by summer time)
    2) Vaccine toxins exposure (elderly populations being injected with flu shots containing several extremely toxic adjuvants, maybe even containing other coronavirii and XMRVs)

    This is because, prior to the coronavirus pandemic, there has been and is a vitamin D deficiency pandemic, and a vaccine injury pandemic.

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2020 - 8:01pm

    Island girl

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    Replying to Mpup

    Yes, the timing of study is interesting (FYI - she reports on MERS but no doubt work on SARS was in the mix). By 2015 they had already created their chimeric Frankenvirus (my words, not theirs) with the increased infectivity, lung cell pathogenicity and muted neutralization by antibodies, as cited in an earlier post. So by 2019, antibody dependent enhancement research seems to have been underway, and I suspect if it weren't for the emergence of SARS Cov 2 we would have seen more reports.

    As to funding, yes, isn't it ironic. I suspect you are aware that the funding for GOF was paused in 2014 (the 2015 GOF research got published though) and then resumed in 2019, because, well...what could possibly go wrong?

    I cite from the NIH website:

    "The U.S. government will undertake a deliberative process to assess the risks and benefits of certain gain-of-function (GOF) experiments with influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses in order to develop a new Federal policy regarding the funding of this research. During this deliberative process, U.S. government agencies will institute a pause on the funding of any new studies involving these experiments. For purposes of the deliberative process and this funding pause, “GOF studies” refers to scientific research that increases the ability of any of these infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility among mammals by respiratory droplets.

     

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2020 - 7:22pm

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    Island girl

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    T cell immunity as discussed in German study

    As I noted, not an immunologist, but I did peruse the German paper referenced above paper and was intrigued by this discussion point:

    "recognition rates of SARS-CoV-2 T-cell epitopes by individual donors were lower in individuals with more severe COVID-19 symptoms. This observation, ... and reports from other active or chronic viral infections associating diversity of T-cell response with anti- viral defense, provide evidence that natural development and vaccine-based induction of immunity to SARS-CoV-2 requires recognition of multiple SARS-CoV-2 epitopes.

    Translation: I think it means that your immune system needs to recognize more than a single local region of the viral antigen(s) in order to mount a robust response.

    If that is the case, I wonder what this means for the Moderna mRNA vaccine. According to their website, they pre-select the protein they will use as antigen and synthesize the mRNA for it.

    I wonder what guides the selection of the antigenic protein in the case of SARS Cov-2. (I am aguessing the spike protein is a likely candidate , but that's speculation on my part). DO we know which viral proteins would provide the "multiple epitopes" necessary to mount a robust response, or are we guessing?

    A theory is only as good as the assumptions on which it is based. I hope the Task Force is looking at the data coming in from beyond our shores.

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2020 - 6:46pm

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    Island girl

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    Herd immunity and T Cell responses - two recent studies

    The Swedes have a new study on T-cell immunity that they find encouraging. They seem to think it is protective  but not sure how much when patients don't also mount antibodies

    Here's their press release:

    https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-19-is-probably-higher-than-tests-have-shown

    Here is the preprint:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.29.174888v1

    And an interview quote:

    "Our results indicate that roughly twice as many people have developed T-cell immunity compared with those who we can detect antibodies in," noted Karolinska Center for Infectious Medicine researcher Marcus Buggert...."It remains to be determined if a robust memory T cell response in the absence of detectable circulating antibodies can protect against [the virus]."

    The Germans have also published a study in T-cells. My immunology knowledge is not good enough to comment on it.

    https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-35331/v1

    But there is a news report about it - claims the implication is that having had the common cold may confer some immunity (T-cells have some memory). I wonder what that means for those who get regular flu shots?

    https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/26278/20200630/8-out-10-people-infected-covid-19-protected-episodes-colds.htm

     

     

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2020 - 6:13pm

    Ision

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    Ision said:

    Might always makes the law and always shall.

    Just ask the Lakota elders, who invaded the Black Hills and took the land from other tribes by force in the 18th Century.  Only after they won the land in battle did it become "sacred."

    The treaties you speak about were never recognized by the U.S.Government and the Lakota did try to take the land back by force.  They lost.  They now have no claim, whatsoever, on the Black Hills...just as the tribes they took it from have no claim upon it.

    The Lakota are not more "holy," nor "righteous," for having lost land to a stronger tribe...they are just weaker.  They enjoy the same morality they applied when THEY took the land...as those who took it from them.

    Now, this land seems to be quite sacred to the U.S..

    Personally, I have absolutely no consideration for whatever "soul" is...and doubt this term has any tangible meaning.

    The profit is what is gained, and enjoyed, in this life, without regard to fretting about undefined and unintelligible, non-concepts, about non-events after one no longer exists.

    If one wishes to be moral and apply rational values to the creation of profit, where coercive force is not used and sacrifice is not demanded of others to do so, their profit is free of any taint and guilt.   And, such profit has no obligation attached to it...such as the silly notion of "giving back."

    You want to write the rules...win the war.

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2020 - 5:43pm

    Michael HARDIN

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    Boom! From this boomer . What she said.  🙂

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2020 - 3:32pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Good One

    Nothing like some good in your face rock n roll to celebrate.........well just about anything. Should we stay or should we go?

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2020 - 2:40pm

    Island girl

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    Cautious discussion language in Henry Ford Hospitals Publication

    Yep, I noticed the same thing. Perhaps they are treading carefully and hedging their language given the reception HCQ has gotten in the press and from the powers that be.

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