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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 7:34am

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    bbtruth

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    Yeah yeah we get it, you’re a vegan…go eat a carrot.  Doesn’t look to me like you have ever done a pushup in your life.  I would promote physical activity and a reduction of sugar intake as well as other complex carbs.  Lean protein and lots of veggies.  That said, I have a penchant for baked goods…. all things in balance.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 7:24am

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    westcoastjan

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    Maybe Canada too - I hope!

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-pandemic-coronavirus-masks-1.5515526

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 7:23am

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    LesPhelps

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    Vegans are doing you a favor

    That’s not even real food.  Give it a bit of thought.

    The amount of energy wasted to create that other “frankenfood” is incredible.

    That goes for all you almond milk drinkers as well.

    Think of it this way.  Vegans are doing you a favor by helping keep your health insurance premiums down a bit.  Also, they won’t compete with you for hospital bed space, if you need coronary bypass surgery, colon cancer surgery, prostate surgery, or hospitalization for diabetes treatment, just to name a few American diet consequences.  There are many.

    Dr. Gregor has a video on nutritionfacts.org referencing studies that link bad nutrition to 14 of the 15 leading causes of death in the US.  The only one he doesn’t link nutrition to is accidents.

    Even if Dr. Gregor is off base with a handful of causes, nutrition is still the leading cause of death in the US, by far.

    Everything humans need for sustenance, except B12, originally comes from plants.  Running it through a cow, before you eat it, reduces the benefits of the nutrients, antioxidants and fiber, while adding fat, trans-fat, cholesterol and animal protein, non of which are remotely healthy.

    BTW, animal agriculture requires 10 times the energy, 10 times the acerage and many times the water required to grow plants.  Animal agriculture produces many times the amount of manure produced by humans and it is not treated.  You simply can’t rationally argue that vegan foods are more resource intensive than animal agriculture.

     

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 7:21am

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    I Guess WHO is listening to your material. I hope!

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1nW_sT_GwkjxmRtc0Y5pm_kdyz67-gsRyTPCHfe7e0LTQT6B0oCGCmj7Q

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:55am

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    LesPhelps

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    WFPB Prepper

    Morning Star makes a very decent vegan corny dog.  I also like their vegan buffalo wings and hot breaded  “chicken” patties.  I eat Amy’s “pizza,” but I won’t tell you it’s the same as cheese pizzas.

    Sadly, there is no viable vegan substitute for cheese.  They can’t get the flavor or texture right and without the addictive casomorphins, what’s the point anyway?  It’s like drinking near beer.

    Prepping is much easier and cheaper if your healthy vegan.  Most of my comfort foods are based on rice, beans, potatoes and corn, much easier and cheaper to store in large quantities.

    Plus, I can grow tons of corn and potatoes in a relatively small part of my yard.  Heck, if I want non-organic potatoes, I can glean as many as I can eat from the fields around where I live, after the fields are mechanically harvested.

    I can grow beans as well, but harvesting them by hand is incredibly time consuming.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:48am

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    bbtruth

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    Agreed.  Biology dictates that humans are not vegetarian by nature, only by choice.  For me the choice is easy.  Meat is delicious.  Throw me some Italian sausage in that pasta.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:41am

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    bbtruth

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    I’m not a virologist or epidemiologist, hell, I’m not even that bright.  However, my mind does seem to be able to grasp large amounts of information and make sense of it.  Early on (January) this had my attention and with in a week or two I was convinced we would be exactly where we are now and where we are heading.  My understanding of the RO and CFR are similar to yours (Orsonw and grandours ).
    We have unanswered questions and are filling in the wrong blanks with the wrong info and drawing faulty conclusions.   Even if Germany is testing so many people, which I find hard to believe, how many of those people test negative but haven’t had it yet, and therefore, are still susceptible to covid? When calculating CFR, why would you use total confirmed cases as the denominator?   We are trying to “flatten the curve” with the idea that we can achieve herd immunity….why? I understand we are trying to lessen the burden on hospitals, but is herd immunity possible or are we hanging hope on something we can’t prove yet?
    As I see it, we are just getting started with this with no real idea of how it resolves, both the covid and the rest of the collapsing house of cards.  Personally I believe it will get much worse and agree with Chris that there is no going back to what was.  Our lives and the way we live them will not ever be the same.  There are so many people thinking all we have to do is wait this out then hit the reset button and resume normal life.  I fear what will be as people adjust to this situation they don’t understand and can’t control.
    Be well everyone.  Please take care.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:29am

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    LesPhelps

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    No Sausage

    For a healthier vegan version, leave the meat out and add tons of mushrooms.

    I love mushrooms.  I’m thinking about growing them this year, or just harvesting wild ones.  They grow everywhere in Central Wisconsin.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:24am

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    LesPhelps

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    Masking Americans

    I don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing that getting Americans to wear masks is going to be about as easy as getting them to stop eating meat.

    We can be a stubborn lot and we are very experienced at ignoring evidence that challenges our preferred world view.

    My wife and I are wearing masks and gloves.  People we see out are social distancing fairly well, but few gloves and no masks.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:08am

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    BillL

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    Vegan italian sausages...lmao.

    That’s not even real food.  Give it a bit of thought.

    The amount of energy wasted to create that other “frankenfood” is incredible.

    That goes for all you almond milk drinkers as well.

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