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  • Thu, Oct 17, 2019 - 4:37pm

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    GerrySM

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    Our diets need to change...

    Yes Mots, a medical report issued by the New York medical examiner’s office a year after Atkins’s death showed that Atkins had a history of heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension and noted that he weighed 258 pounds at death. His widow refused to allow an autopsy because it is likely that he actually died from a heart attack by suddenly falling over in the street. So his estate has managed to paper over it by claiming he died from hitting his head and suffering a brain clot. Atkins was only 72 as well, relatively young, and quite fat. So much for low carb diets!

    The research I linked above is also compelling. I’ll quote some of it here because it seems to have been ignored:

    New research from the University of Sydney’s Charles Perkins Centre suggests a low protein, high carbohydrate diet may be the most effective for stimulating a hormone with life-extending and obesity-fighting benefits.

    The findings, published today in Cell Metabolism, paint a clearer picture of the role of a little-known hormone called Fibroblast Growth Factor 21 (FGF21) – the so-called ‘fountain of youth’ hormone produced primarily in the liver.

    Previous studies have shown that FGF21 plays a role in curbing appetite, moderating metabolism, improving the immune system and extending lifespan. It is also currently being used as a therapeutic target for diabetes, though little is known about how this hormone is triggered and released in the body.

    Now researchers from the Charles Perkins Centre have found that diets high in carbohydrate and low in protein are the best for boosting levels of FGF21 in mice.

    “Despite the popularity of high protein ‘paleo’ diets, our research suggests the exact opposite may be best for us as we age – that a low protein, high carbohydrate diet was the most beneficial for latelife health and longevity,” said lead author Dr Samantha Solon-Biet.

    Lastly, plant-based diets simply MUST supercede meat and protein based diets if we are to have any hope of controlling global heating. For example, beef is more than 100 times as emissions-intensive as legumes. BTW I eat a LOT of baked goods made from legume flour, specifically lentil flour, home made. I have no unusual gas, and my bowel motions are normal.

    Change your diet to combat climate change in 2019

    And if you are not ready for a meat-free diet, try a “flexitarian” diet. This diet includes plenty of fruits, vegetables and plant-based protein sources including legumes, soybeans and nuts, along with modest amounts of poultry, fish, milk and eggs, and small amounts of red meat.

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  • Thu, Oct 17, 2019 - 3:28pm

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    Mots

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    its complicated

    AO, I don’t disagree with anything you write.  Re. my sentence about saturated fat requirement, I just pointed  out that saturated fat is not needed in a diet (but polyunsaturates are).
    I too used to lecture on biochemistry and nutrition in my own college biochemistry course.  My favorite topic was molecular logic (differences between plants and animals who evolved their own high lysine vs low lysine proteins, reducing vs non reducing storage sugars, saturated vs unsaturated fats etc in response to environmental challenges: I probably should have written that book I wanted to, maybe you might be interested), including many of the points you have made regarding genetics and differences.  I too, have read hundreds and probably thousands of nutrition research studies based on biochemistry in great detail, often criticizing them in formal seminars with other PhDs and PhD graduate students in a major university and was a nutrition researcher (I discovered the selenium transport protein and won an award for that) for a few years in a major laboratory that among other things discovered the antioxidant vitamin E (we subsequently spent a few million tax dollars trying to prove that antioxidants added to food prevents free radical problems of aging or other damage: all negative results), the selenocysteine t-RNA (and thus separate codon) in one of the top 3 nutrition graduate schools.  I became very disgusted with nutrition research and left that field because I did not want to waste my time.  It has become much worse since then, almost mind numbing how money affects everything.

    The only reason I commented is because I am worried that people I care about are killing themselves with saturated fat. The biochemistry of this problem was worked out a long time ago and is very logical and predictive (the lipoprotein anabolizing and catabolizing enzymes in omnivores and herbavores are designed for more fluid fatty acids than are the same enzymes in carnivores and cannot handle the “harder” saturated fatty acids).  The trans fatty acids found in margarines and many junk foods are even more bizarre and even less natural and the body has even more problems with these, for example.  There are so many complicating factors I don’t want to even begin because I DONT HAVE TIME FOR THIS.  But even the main article cited for how wonderful the paleo diet is cited a study that contradicted a main conclusion.  We went through a similar high fat low carb craze with the Atkins diet 15 years ago until Atkins taught everyone more directly by dying from heart failure, which his widow tried to cover up to keep the book sales going.

    I DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND WILL NOT RESPOND AGAIN ON THIS TOPIC

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  • Thu, Oct 17, 2019 - 10:38am

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    Make the truth irrelevant

    Now, if somebody could write this same article about the economy instead of politics. Chris? Adam?

    https://straightlinelogic.com/2019/10/16/make-the-truth-irrelevant-by-robert-gore/

    Our rulers believe their Holy Grail is in sight.

    But there’s always a purpose in nonsense. Don’t bother to examine a folly—ask yourself only what it accomplishes.

    Ellsworth Toohey to Peter Keating, The Fountainhead, Ayn Rand, 1943

    What do the follies of Russiagate and the Ukraine impeachment controversy accomplish?

    Truth is always the enemy of power. Exposure of power’s motivations, depredations, and corruption never serves power’s ends. Truth is often suppressed and those who disclose it persecuted. Any illegitimate government (currently, all of them) that fails to do so risks its own termination.

    What if, instead of suppressing the truth, a regime could render it irrelevant and not have to worry about it? That prospect is the Holy Grail for those who rule or seek to rule.

    Imagine an announcement to the populace: We rule you and every aspect of your life. Your wishes, desires, and plans are immaterial to us. You will do as we tell you or you will be severely punished or eliminated. Our sole end is power and we will be its corrupt and criminal beneficiaries. You are our slaves. Imagine that the announcement was not met with outrage and resistance, only quiet acceptance, even approval. The regime has disclosed the horrifying truth about itself, and nobody protests or cares. It has rendered the truth irrelevant. What future disclosure could threaten it in any way?

     

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  • Thu, Oct 17, 2019 - 10:10am

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    Many of these studies are flawed Mots.  Very, very few nutritional studies consider the genetic factor.  And you can never look at one or even a handful of studies in isolation.  And you can’t just read the abstract.  You have to read the study in detail.  And you also have to figure out who funded the study.  There are lots of other variables to consider as well.  Nutrition is actually very difficult to research properly.

    With regards to the quality of research, one of my particular areas of expertise is low back pain and dysfunction.  At least 95% of the studies in this area (and maybe more) are junk and performed by people who just aren’t that knowledgeable on the subject in a comprehensive way (but think they are).  So I take most studies with a grain of salt unless there is a growing preponderance of the best studies supporting a particular idea.

    Eggs are actually one of the healthiest foods you can eat.  But think of your average egg eater in the US.  They have their bacon with eggs or sausage or both, toast with butter (or worse, margarine) and jam, coffee with sugar and milk, sugary orange juice, etc.  Furthermore, the saturated fat in cattle that are fattened with grain is much less healthy than the saturated fat in cattle fed grass from rich soils.  For one, the omega-3 fatty acid content is extremely low in the grain fed and quite high in the grass fed.  It’s one of the reasons buffalo meat is so healthy.  Sugar is a HUGE factor, probably the most important factor dietarily in contributing to poor health.  Populations shifting towards a Western diet of red meat, cheese, etc. almost invariably increase their sugar intake as well.  They also start dropping their vegetable intake as well as dropping whole grain (but not refined grain) and legume content.  It’s the combination of sugar and unhealthy fats with lower micro-nutrient and lower fiber intake that’s the problem.  If you’ve happened to note, such populations as the Chinese are getting taller now that they are getting “better” nutrition.  I use the word “better” loosely because there is obviously an upside (taller, stronger, etc.) with a downside (more Western diseases of civilization).  They are getting more protein and more calories but they are also getting more sugars, trans fats, etc. and less fiber.  So one can approach the problem from the opposite way and combine the best elements of a Western diet and an Eastern diet and wind up with the best of both worlds.  This is why I eat a diversity of protein from wild game, meat, poultry, fish, seafood, and eggs (but little dairy and then only fermented) as well as nuts and seeds but also an abundance and diversity of all different types of vegetables as well as fruits and also many different kinds of spices.  The wheat, corn, soy, sugar, etc. in our Western diet is a particular problem.

    With regards to eggs again, just like with meat, you have to look at what the chickens are eating.  It is very difficult to buy eggs from chickens that have not been fed soy, for example.  But from quality sources, eggs are extremely nutritious.  My grandfather had 3 a day and lived to his 90s.  I have 6 eggs at a time (but remove the yolks from  3) and eat that 3 times a week.  My blood chemistries are perfect.  I can swim a mile in 58 deg. water without fatigue.  All systems are go at 66.

    I’m not sure what you mean by this sentence but if you clarify it, I may be able to better understand what you are saying

    I also note that saturated fat is not needed in any human diet as the body’s capacity to synthesize such is trivial.

    By the way, heart disease from unhealthy eating and stress does not take a long time to form.  Autopsies done on young US soldiers not even out of their teens during the Korean War showed arteriosclerotic streaks and plaques were already forming.

    I’m not legalistic about the paleo diet and don’t necessarily follow every single detail to the letter nor agree with them all to the letter.  But certain advantages of this diet and similar diets, be it Atkins, Zone, South Beach, etc. are undeniable.  Keys are:

    Consider the genetics of your forebearers.  In other words, if you’re an East Asian, I wouldn’t be eating an Inuit diet.  And if you’re Inuit, I wouldn’t be eating an East Asian diet.  Most of us are highly hybridized though making the choices more difficulty but genetic testing to determine the most optimal diet will get better and better.  In the mean time, refining your somatic awareness and sensitivity can improve your ability to discern which foods are good for you and which foods are not.  That’s especially true when you push yourself to physical limits and sensitize yourself to the boundaries of those limits.  This information often becomes very clear.  If you’re doing yoga for example, you’ll notice being a little stiffer if you indulge in sugar.  For some people, at the end of harvest season, when they may be eating a lot of tomatoes, they may feel slightly more achey.  This is especially true of individuals who are nightshade sensitive.  Ditto for the big potato eaters.   You get the picture.

    Eat natural, whole, unrefined, unprocessed foods for the most part (with the exception being certain fermented foods where the “processing” actually increases the health and digestibility of the food).

    Don’t go too extreme on macro-nutrient ratios (in other words, COMPLETELY deleting either carbs or fats) and get plenty of protein but not too much.  Each of these macro-nutrients has their roles.  And consider the type and quality of your macronutrients.  If you are living in a hot climate, lower levels of protein and fat and proteins like leaner fish and poultry may suit you better.  If you are living in an arctic region, then higher levels of protein and fat with red meat and fatty fish may suit you better (but again, with consideration of genetics).

    Consider the soil your food is grown on and the foods the animals you consume eat and the chemicals that might be added to either.  That is a major factor in the health of the foods you eat.

    Always balance and moderation – extremes tend to produce short term results but will create problems in the long term (like the potato hack noted elsewhere).

    The above is not meant to be comprehensive but just thoughts as they came to mind.  Hope this helps.

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  • Thu, Oct 17, 2019 - 2:22am

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    I read some of the articles referred to as promoting the paleo diet.  The articles emphasize insulin resistance but generally lack data on effects of all that saturated fat on heart disease.  One study was referred to as proof that saturated fat in eggs is heart disease neutral.  I read the research article, which actually stated that “daily egg consumption (≥1/d) (versus <7/week) was associated with a 30% higher risk of HF (heart failure)” in the men studied. Since heart failure is the number one cause of death in America, this small fact (one or more eggs per day causing 30% higher heat failures compared merely to those who only ate up to 6 eggs per week) really sticks out, as pertaining to only one food item (not even including trans fat margarine, red meat, cheese etc).
    I note that paleolithic man had a life span of about 30 years and lacked diseases of aging, and that heart disease from saturated fat takes a long time, and generally does not affect morbidity or survival (eg. reproduction) of sub-30 year olds.  I also note that saturated fat is not needed in any human diet as the body’s capacity to synthesize such is trivial.  I further note that cholesterol in diet is fairly irrelevant and those who argue the wonders of saturated fat often point to the lack of effects from dietary cholesterol as their reason.
    I try to stay out of nutrition arguments because people usually scream advertising slogans at me, but wanted to point these facts out due to my worry: so many people close to me have died from heart failure, in fact most.  I prefer a classic Asian diet associated with basically no heart attacks and ischemic strokes, while noting that heart failure has started in Eastern Asia following the introduction of fatty red meat and cheese from America, (ok argue with me that suddenly after all these years with virtually no heart disease people in Japan start to get heart attacks from overwork, as their workweek shrinks by at least a day, they get an extra 10 holidays per year and generally work fewer hours per day).  Insulin problems seem to be under control despite the constant input of rice, although the Paleo diet benefits due to weird glial protein of wheat and arthritis/celiac disease seem to be good points.

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  • From: Charles Hugh Smith: Will You Be Richer or Poorer?
  • Thu, Oct 17, 2019 - 12:35am

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    gyrogearloose

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    NZ's wall

    My parents thought Trump was nuts for wanting to build a wall.

    When I pointed out we already have a wall, called the Pacific ocean and our Govt vigorously controls entry, they started to see things a bit differently.

    Unfortunately Govt policy lets too many legal immigrants in…….

    But at least to get in you have to be skilled at a needed profession (pretty much)

    Regards Hamish

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  • From: Charles Hugh Smith: Will You Be Richer or Poorer?
  • Wed, Oct 16, 2019 - 10:18pm

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    Mark_BC

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    If you want to be richer stock up on this item

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  • Wed, Oct 16, 2019 - 6:18pm

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    The Potatoe Hack

    Thought I’d share this one.

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  • Wed, Oct 16, 2019 - 6:17pm

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    Fully agree with Adam; same experiences

    You are 100% spot on this post. Comments:

    1) Yes, diet is 80%. Free weights/sleep are the other 20%

    2) Yes, our diet is like yours: eggs/salmon/meat/veg/olive oil/rice.

    3) 2 meals/day. skip 1 meal/week, and eat as much as we desire.

    4) Books: Nutrition & Physical Degeneration (Price) & Get Serious (Osborn). Both free online.

    5) Supplements: magnesium, iodine, Vit D

    6) Results conclusive. zero cavities in 2-dig fam, perfect BMIs/BP/RHR, muscle, zero calorie restriction.

    90% of diet is ditching processed foods (unless one considers rice & olive oil processed).

    One thing to disagree with: staying fit is not “hard” at all. It’s easy if one just cooks their own food, likes to hunt/fish, and lifts weights 3x week 1 hr, runs 2x week 1/2 hr.

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  • From: Charles Hugh Smith: Will You Be Richer or Poorer?
  • Wed, Oct 16, 2019 - 5:53pm

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     Like Mark_BC early on in this thread talking about building his EMP resistant 1982 Toyota Land Cruiser.

    Why?
    If it is at all useful in the scenario we are talking about, a gang of men with a lot more fire power than you will block the road.  At that point the Land Cruiser will be theirs. If you deem it worth fighting for, you will be killed.

    Yeah, the thought has definitely crossed my mind. I guess I’d hope that I’m close enough to the outskirts to escape any hoards of angry urbanites. I wont make it look pretty. Ideally I’ll make it look like it doesnt run. Pretty hard to do that when it’s driving down the road though.

    Which raises a good point. There will be survivors. So who will survive? I admit, I watched a few episodes of the reality show Survivor a few years ago. The person who ended up lasting till the end was not the strongest, loudest, with the most friends, sneakiest, most clever, or the quietest. It was an average person who stayed under the radar but no one payed much attention to. Unremarkable, not boasting anything, not getting on anyone’s bad side, or trying too hard. Just someone who gets accepted and overlooked, not really noticed.

    Those in gangs likely won’t last, I recently watched Narcos on Netflix. Most of those guys died.

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