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    Chris on Timcast: COVID-19 Censorship

    Chris talks on the air at Timcast IRL
    by Whitney

    Thursday, July 1, 2021, 2:30 PM

Live Interview!

Chris Martenson speaks about all things, including COVID-19 censorship, with Tim Pool on Timcast IRL, Thursday, July 1, at 8pm EDT. Tim Pool is a citizen journalist providing commentary on top news related to political and cultural issues around the world.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 8:19pm

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    Phred

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    Phred said:

    Here is some medical advice. If your doctor won't prescribe ivermectin, get another doctor!

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 8:21pm

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    macro2682

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    Joe Rogan's Opinion

    Americans  are not interested in forming their own opinions.  They are happy to just take Joe Rogan's, or Don Lemon's, or whomever else.

    That's why data is so impotent today.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 8:24pm

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    Lol

    Sorry, I feel like a twelve year old pointing out your spelling error 🙂

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 8:37pm

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    Cities are the problem?

    I understand the hubris of rich city people with their winter strawberries... But I'm not sure they are the problem.  If prices represented the energy resources of the end product, cities would be just fine.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 8:40pm

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    Crypto

    Totally agree... USD should be replaced by BTU.  Actually, Bitcoin is a pretty big step in that direction.  In fact, using computing power (proof of work) as the value pool, is much more productive.  It motivates efficiency and the productivity of BTU, rather than the BTU itself.

    If BTU was a currency, people would just light the world on fire immediately.  Future consumption burned today.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 8:41pm

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    Phred said:

    This energy market suggested by CM is exactly what M, King Hubbert and the Technocrats were pushing in the 1930s. They still exist but the name has been preempted for the most part (the flak arrives when you are close to the target).

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 9:07pm

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    "The Machine"

    Is it not clear to you by now that Tim's weird machine is the Hubrid Plan?

    Reference: Dr. David Jacob's book "Walking Among Us".

    A random snippet.

    Abductees reported that aliens had told them that soon “everyone would be together.” I had heard this and similar statements often enough to understand that this was part of the aliens' goal.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 9:46pm

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    too much Tim

    hard to listen when Tim wont stop talking and let the guest finish a thought...

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 9:57pm

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    “Cities are large dissipative structures”

    I agree Chris. Cities are the fundamental problem. If there would be one solution to societies ills, it would be to move city people to the country.  Let them see life for the first time. Let them see growth and beauty. Young kids who have only known concrete and traffic noise would surely be transformed by nature.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 10:56pm

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    Thomas Sowell

    "It takes a high IQ to evade the obvious."

    Thomas Sowell.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2021 - 11:19pm

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    Culture.

    Tim left school at 14 which probably stood him in good stead.

    Age begets wisdom, and he will discover more by using his ears, than his mouth.

    My dad's veranda was very popular on sundays in Filabusi, Rhodesia. There were always long, thoughtful, comfortable pauses between speakers.

    Conversational generosity, Tim.

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 12:31am

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    Missing the "good" stuff...

    I'm not a paid member of Tim Pool's website. Nor do I want to be. I am, however, a paid member of this site. I was really hoping to find a copy of that "bonus" discussion here. Any chance we can get that arranged? 

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 6:39am

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    I completely agree

    LSR said,

    hard to listen when Tim wont stop talking and let the guest finish a thought...

    I don't even want to listen to anymore of it. If you enjoy listening to Tim, then you will love the Timcast. If you want to hear what other people have to say as well, then be prepared to be frustrated. I should have learned my lesson the first time that Chris was a guest.

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 7:22am

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    Huh.

    Chris has never played Super Mario World.

    Go figure.

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 7:26am

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    Polarizing social media.

    Here Evolutionary psychologist, Dr. Dutton, discusses the mechanisms behind the polarization of society.





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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 7:45am

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    VTGothic

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    Greening the Desert: Permaculture Principles in Jordan's desert

    Regarding the conversation about importing water to Las Vegas - Tim's ideas aren't all that sustainable. But back around 2014 or so Geoff Lawton, Director of the Australia-based Permaculture Institute, accepted an invitation from Jordan to demonstrate permaculture principles as a means to reclaim desert. This article and its embedded videos chronicle the project as of about 2018.

    One fascinating outcome: Geoff's practices produced enough water (or, really, captured enough water) in the right way to naturally desalinate the desert soil in the oasis his indigenous team developed. That's pretty exciting stuff! Soil salts is one great barrier to restoring desert to fecundity.

    https://oneplanetthriving.com/2015/03/greening-the-desert-in-jordan/

     

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 8:23am

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    Greening the Desert: Permaculture Principles in Jordan's desert

    Geoff is amazing! Following his work brings hope.

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 10:12am

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    Spike proteins and DWSNBN2

    I have a stupid question. Why is seemingly every vaccine maker focussing only on the spike protein? Even the ones doing non-mRNA vaccines? Honestly confused here. What about the old-fashioned dead or attenuated virus kind of vaccines? Is nobody (except China) doing one of those?

    It would seem that Merck has been donating that highly dangerous drug, iver-something, against other diseases. Irresponsible, eh? There are times when you have to love reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ivermectin/comments/oc8p2f/breaking_merck_has_been_donating_ivermectin_to/

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 12:15pm

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    Pappy

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    Re: Tim IRL

    I always give someone a couple tries before making a decision, and I’ve decided on Tim after last night’s stream.

    Tim is not very good at conversations or full facts. He merely has the ability to make partially uninformed decisions based on memes, incomplete recollections of news reports from a decade ago or equating everything in the real world to a video game he plays/played.

    While this may get him tens of thousands of viewers/listeners, it doesn’t make him a source of info that has value to me.  NOTHING he has said in the two streams I’ve watched with CM has helped or informed me in the least. The other two I watched were just bizarre stream of consciousness babbling.

    Millennials may appreciate this version of infotainment, but that’s precisely why I feel we are spiraling the drain societally at present. He has a style and a brand, but most of his shows are hot air with half truths and half baked belief systems.

    I live in the Chicago area and have for over 40 years. I’ve worked at the sewer facilities in Cook County, the Greater Metropolitan Waste Water Reclamation facilities as they are officially titled. Not one drop of shit or piss directly enters Lake Michigan.

    Even the north shore facilities and the entire sewer systems from the WI border to Green Bay are not dumping into the lake. Yes, Milwaukee and other facilities sometimes receive excess rain and they spill over into the lake causing biohazards southward to the Windy City, but those events are rare and controlled.

    It is a true wonder why our steward of truth and info thinks Tim brings us value here.

    I get it that after his first appearance on IRL that Dr. Chris was inspired to build a studio and adopt some of the format Tim has. As a former radio broadcaster and an AV guy, Tim has quite the setup and “success” IMHO.

    But he dominates conversations, isn’t as smart as he tries to come off as and has limited to no experience in fact finding and truth dissemination. Again, my opinion here based on four streams of his I watched.

    I guess I’m mainly wondering if Chris is trying for the under 40 demographic by appearing on his show. Because from what I’ve learned of Dr. Martenson over the last 18 months is that half truths and ignorance are looked down upon by him.

    And Tim is the embodiment of half assed truth seeking. He is an undereducated talker who thinks he knows stuff, but hasn’t presented me with one valuable truth that can help my life out in the 8 hours I spent watching him so far.

    If Tim were a commentator here on the PP site,  I think he would be put in check with almost everything he posted.

    His talk of how he thinks that Vegas could be made an oasis of water and fertility by any of his discussion points shows a complete lack of understanding of system economics (both financial and physical), mathematics, geology, weather and mostly the three laws of thermodynamics.

    So I pose these questions for anyone to answer:

    What value does CM find from these discussions?

    How does Tim IRL fit into the mission here at PP?

    What value have others gained from Tim that I am missing?

     

    I am trying to be civil here, but I have a litmus test when it comes to people. If the SHTF, would I want to be in a lifeboat/foxhole/anywhere with said person?

    And I have a resoundingly loud “no” when it comes to this guy. He is arrogant, dominating in conversation/thought and mostly ignorant in truth.

    Add in that he makes a successful living with those attributes and it reinforces them to a point of being a nuisance in the best of times and dangerous in the worst of times.

     

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 12:25pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Replying to Re: Tim IRL

    I stopped the video halfway through. There was no in-depth exploration of issues.

    One thing that Chris should consider is maybe making a deal with Bret Weinstein. Bret is going to be kicked off YouTube. Bret simply has too much integrity to kowtow to petty tyrants and know-nothings. So YouTube will throw him off their network.

    Bret will be homeless. Maybe Chris can give him a forum, even if just as a temporary situation. It would add even more visibility to PP due to Bret's large following. And it would give Bret a well deserved forum to talk truth to power.

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 12:30pm

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    Vita C vs Carbs

    A short comment on a tiny part of the interview, in case anyone wants to know:

    Check out, for yourself, the chemical formula and structure of Vitamin C. It is a cyclical structure very close to the linear structure of glucose. Most Vitamin C on the market is lab-made, because the natural stuff is expensive.

    Vitamin C has a mirror image, which doesn't show up much in natural form, but is half and half in lab-made "Vitamin C". The body can't use the mirror image. It breaks the cycle and burns the mirror image as glucose. So taking Vitamin C also adds glucose to your diet.

    Excess of the natural form is supposed to be excreted. Perhaps in most people, it does. However, it turned out that I wasn't excreting the excess Vitamin C, but converting at least the excess to glucose, along with the mirror image. I discovered this years ago, but it seems to be part of general knowledge now.

    No, I don't know where to get "validated" information about this now. I stopped my concern about it long ago, but have seen mention of it from time to time, not before I reported it and was tested for it, but since I reported it. The conversion had become researched after that time.

    If you have to count your carbs, include in the count the amount of Vitamin C that you take.

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 12:39pm

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    For sure ivermectin would be great as treatment, but still we should be careful about mass prophylaxes

    Why? Ivermectin is known to kill all kinds of simple organisms.

    This is great, but it might kill also organisms that we need, especially in the gut.

    At least until better knowledge we should consider using Probiotikum after taking Ivermectin.

    Is there more clear data about how harmful ivermectin is for beneficial organisms?

    And how long does it need to decay? Does it decay fast, or does it need some time and therefore accumulates in nature?

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 1:13pm

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    Ivermectin broad toxicity?

    I've used ivermectin as a veterinary treatment for sheep and goats for a decade.  Yes, it has broad activity and kills many types of helminths (commonly known as "worms").  Good bacteria are crucial for ruminant health, including cows, sheep, and goats.  I've never heard mention of ivermectin being an issue in that regard, and never seen that problem in my flock.  It does have a fairly long half life, as measured by "meat withdrawl time" of 35-50 days, the time that legally must pass after treatment before eating the animal's meat.  And I've seen claims that if a treated animal poops out ivermectin, it can persist on pasture for 4 months.  All in all, I think your concern is misplaced.  I would be more concerned if it was toxic to microbes, but it isn't.

    Julie

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 2:12pm

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    Food excess.

    I was chastised several years ago by an embedded agent on this platform for visiting a website that the communists consider undesirable.

    (I shan't name it, lest I inadvertently provoke a Pavlovian response)

    Anyhow, the owners of this website are battling Big Tech censorship, but managed to get a video up of a farmer in England sitting before his field of greens saying that there is No shortage of greens in England, but that "somebody" is buying it all up and dumping it in order to exacerbate a crisis.

    Now, those who are open-minded enough to read my script know that I offer my sources.

    Unfortunately, Big Tech has made it impossible to locate it again for someone of my skill.

    Make no mistake, we are under attack.

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 2:36pm

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    Publish and be damned.

    Who am I to nurse-maid you? Your reactions are not my concern.

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 2:53pm

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    You go Arthur!

    I do not care where the information sources come from, as long as they are credible and verifiable with facts and data. I have found a great deal of valid information by scoping out sites that many would never consider even looking at. Sure there is a lot of misinformation, but there are gems of truth and wisdom that must be mined.

    In the fight for life and death there must not be any right or left. Just up and down. At this stage in the battle we cannot afford to overlook any sources that may provide yet another clue to bring the big picture puzzle into focus.

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 7:11pm

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    Shea Meehan said:

    Joe Rogan has fought and fought to get the message of Vitamin D out there. He has mentioned the importance of a maintaining a strong Terrain almost each episode.

    I personally find him inspirational. If we all took better care of ourselves and lived like Joe Rogan (53!) - we wouldnt even be needing to have this conversation? 🤷🏽‍♀️

    But above all, as with Chris, the Weinsteins and Lex. He has integrity and is authentic. And we need more of that.

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 12:05am

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    Great guest...

    Chris,

    Great job being a guest on this podcast. Its tough to wander into someone elses domain and make a valid contribution, particularly one so fond of dominating the conversation, but you were able to banter well and steer the conversation back to relevant subjects. You represented yourself well. Both audiences get exposure to the others content and it was worth your time. We of course would have rather seen you dive deep into the weeds and educate the world more, but Tim knows his audience and your exposure there was well worth it to spread the message further. Great job.

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 10:20am

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    Re: Missing the "good" stuff

    I'm not a paid member of Tim Pool's website. Nor do I want to be. I am, however, a paid member of this site. I was really hoping to find a copy of that "bonus" discussion here. Any chance we can get that arranged?

    We requested permission to play the bonus discussion on our website but were unfortunately turned down.  I can't say we blame them, as we are equally as protective of the content our subscribers entrust us to keep behind the paywall / censorwall.

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 2:10pm

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    a big tent

    Pappy-

    Here's the thing.  Let's say we are fighting Nazi Germany.  Must we only ally with "democratic governments" in this fight?  Fortunately, Churchill and Roosevelt were ok with forming an alliance with Stalin and the Soviet Union.  As a direct result, we won.

    Not comparing Tim Pool with Stalin - just that we might consider that the goal we're trying to achieve may require constructing a "big tent".  The more allies under the tent, the better off we are.

    I really don't think Tim Pool is all that bad.  Just has a different style.  I do prefer Joe Rogan though.  Maybe because Joe used to be a fighter - he's done some hard things in life for sure.

    If we are going to successfully overcome the imposition of techno-fascism by the Oligarchy, we need to consider constructing the largest possible tent.  "We really are all in this together."

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 2:33pm

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    Great post Shea Meehan

    Excellent post!!  Where have you been?  First post on PP.com?  Keep contributing here.. I for one really loved your post.  The list is long of people who are dripping with authenticity;  Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Zev Zelenko, Dr. Simone Gold, Dr. Harvey Risch, Dr. Kory, Dr. Marik... these people didn't pick a fight with """reality""", like many of us assembled here, the fight picked them.  We were and are constitutionally (and I mean this in the sense of our personal intellectual constructions.. i.e. what we are "made of") incapable of accepting the (virtual) chip the oligarchy wants to implant in our brains.

    Joe Rogan has fought and fought to get the message of Vitamin D out there. He has mentioned the importance of a maintaining a strong Terrain almost each episode.

    I personally find him inspirational. If we all took better care of ourselves and lived like Joe Rogan (53!) - we wouldnt even be needing to have this conversation? 🤷🏽‍♀️

    But above all, as with Chris, the Weinsteins and Lex. He has integrity and is authentic. And we need more of that.

    Amen.

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 3:05pm

    Pappy

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    A big tent

    I see that angle, Dave. Getting your point out to the widest audience possible is important. All for it. Hope his audience has the attention span for Ned Flanders and his power point deck. I’m not sure the daily watcher of Timcast has that determination but I may be wrong.

    It’s just hard to listen to someone I respect and has helped me greatly over the last year be interviewed by a HS dropout asking said 57 year old doctor of pathology who values truth and data - “Have you ever played Super Mario World?”

    Or when CM is trying to explain how only three mammals don’t create their own Vitamin C and he is interrupted in his train of thought by “I think pigeons don’t make vit C.”

    Birds aren’t mammals, and you cut off the scientist making an important medical pronouncement just to hear yourself talk because you haven’t developed a conversational filter yet. The empath in me has issues with the narcissist in him.

    Or that imported soda and beer converted to piss in the sewers will terraform the desert of Vegas. Or that Chicago pours it’s sewage straight into the Lake. What? I mean, what?!?!

    I am a case study in ADHD, a patient written up in multiple journals in the 80’s. And even I can’t follow what the hell Tim is talking about, nor do I care to try anymore.

    I agree that my points may have been taken harshly about Tim and in return CM also, but it’s my perspective. This is a forum where I am allowed to and pay for giving and receiving perspectives, and I voiced one.

    I meant no disrespect. Just pointing out how silly that video was to me.

    It seems CM enjoys his time with Tim. And he is networking with other podcasters and (I have trouble typing this re Tim) “citizen journalists”. And he is getting his word out to new folks in different forums. Good on him for that.

    But I’ve seen posts on this site severely critiqued for much less than “have you seen my sword from the Zelda video game on the wall?”

    It’s as if Tim is a 35 year old man with a voice of influence who wants to go skateboarding with his status and make fart jokes and tell ghost stories. I’m joking about the farts, but he was telling ghost stories.

    Anyway… Happy Fourth of July to us Americans, and a happy weekend to all others.

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 3:05pm

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    Version 1 Covid experiments 1964!

    Last Man Alive

    Plus great idea's on what to stock up on. ie Microscope, HAM radios, cigarettes, mirrors and garlic.

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 5:25pm

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    CrLaan said:

    Got a letter from the dutch government. Invitation to have the vaccine. So they know about me, it is not a local issue. There is nothing between me and my doctor.

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 5:32pm

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    CrLaan said:

    hard to listen when Tim wont stop talking and let the guest finish a thought...

    ever listened to axisofeasy (charlesHSmith)

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 8:01pm

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    pattrussell said:

    Well said   ! They are called uninterested cowards .

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 9:44pm

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    Tim’s style

    This was my second time listening to Timcast. Made it only halfway through.

    Tim’s style is definitely geared towards a younger audience. It’s hard to tell if intentional, but it seems trying to cater to shorter attention span. No discussion point is carried for a long time. No idea explored in depth. it’s just too much fluff and too little substance for my taste.

    I can see the appeal - it’s entertainment married with journalism, but let’s not OD on facts and substantive conversation.

    I’m not against Chris exploring venues to reach a younger audience, it’s just not for me.

     

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  • Sun, Jul 04, 2021 - 4:13am

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    Cre8altern8 said:

    Fauci is an ugly-smugly little media-driven hobgoblin, answerable only to the larger goblins in Big Pharma & their cohorts.

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  • Sun, Jul 04, 2021 - 1:53pm

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    Ivermectin hesitancy

    I was able to listen to this long presentation in installments. Overall impression? It left me with nothing of substance. The word "fluffy" comes immediately to mind.

    I think Chris did well in appearing on the show — an awareness exercise — and it may have had more impact on its target demographic than it did on me. Is this what attracts young people? I really do think that attention spans are growing shorter.

    If nothing else it got out a message that certain substances have proved beneficial in dealing with The Plague. So sad and bad that ivermectin denialism has led to a campaign of censorship, but here it is.

    How to overcome ivermectin hesitancy? The question to ask is, what would it take to change people's minds? (Remember the interview with Peter Boghossian? Splendid book, How to have impossible conversations, splendid tactics!)

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  • Sun, Jul 04, 2021 - 2:49pm

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    Chris did well

    What stood out to me was Chris' ability to immediately use any chance he was given to pivot to a meaningful data point or observation, without getting mired in the numerous of-tangents. Chris would tee it off beautifully, but in most cases, Tim just didn't listen at all, or didn't have the ability to carry the thought forward.

    It really speaks to Tim's limited skill set in having a meaningful conversation at depth.

    I'm glad that Chris is willing to experiment with different forms or delivery of the PP message.

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  • Sun, Jul 04, 2021 - 4:17pm

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    thatchmo said:

    Due to the reviews of my trusted fellow PPers, I've decided not to listen to the Timcast- too many other things to do....The inability of people to be able to have an actual conversation is one of my ongoing peeves in the modern world.  This applies to both the young and old.  I'm reminded of an exercise we did in The Great Sebastopol Seminar of '18.  I believe it was called Authenic Listening, or something like that.  Very powerful and insightful, part of the Gottman relationship technique I think.  In a nutshell, turn off your own chattering mind, and Listen to the other person.  Why don't they teach this stuff in school (along with any hands-on skill)?  Aloha, Steve.

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  • Sun, Jul 04, 2021 - 5:29pm

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    Listening skills

    Listening skills seem to be a lost art.
    I wonder how much of that goes along with the post-modernist mindset that has developed like cancer in our society. If there is no (absolute) truth, why even listen intently to somebody else ? After all - what’s to be gained ? Further, if all one is interested in is entertainment or opinion, active listening is not important.
    Truth will rarely hit you smack in the face.

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  • Sun, Jul 04, 2021 - 6:14pm

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    thatchmo said:

    Truth will rarely hit you smack in the face.

    Yeah, and if it does, it may be too late to respond appropriately, unless you're prepared for it....Aloha, Steve.

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  • Sun, Jul 04, 2021 - 6:33pm

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    No truth is absolute, and that is an absolute truth.

    An oldie but a goodie.

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  • Sun, Jul 04, 2021 - 9:04pm

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    acesovereggs said:

    This seems the way almost any conversation goes with most people I encounter these days.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 12:28am

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    Tim: "I tell my audience to discuss the vaccines with their doctor."

    Me: "Tim, keep in mind that most Drs. have forgotten about the Nuremberg code, because, to offer true informed consent would result in fewer shots given, and their bosses have made their wishes crystal clear. So, rather than telling people to ask their own Dr., why don't you say this instead: 'The VAERS numbers are terrifying. Don't even think about getting this 'vaccine.' Ivermectin cures Covid. Don't fear the disease. Instead, fear the police state being constructed as all our personal data is gathered and stored indefinitely. Fear the merging of the government with large corporations. Fear the power of the health-security complex, which used propaganda to trick half the country into submitting to experimental gene therapy. Fear the power of Youtube to induce self-censorship, or risk losing a revenue stream, if anyone speaks out against these human medical experiments."

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 12:45am

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    Very well put. I lasted till the 45:00 mark. I joined this site as a paying member last year because Chris' videos were way ahead of the curve, and simply invaluable. I continue to be a paying member because the quality of comments by other subscribers. I would describe a good many of the posts here as 'ahead of the curve.'

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 12:58am

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    wotthecurtains said:

    Now that a few of you have said it, I also notice most of my real world conversations  quickly turn into a joke, or are deflected my memeing the moment they are in danger of turning substantive.   The subjects change in rapid fire as they are managed with  superficial expressions that are intended to demonstrate that you are plugged into the current way of thinking (if you say Zeitgeist, someone will quip "Who hurt you?)"

    The older people around me will stick to a subject for at least a bit of time, but not people my age or younger.

    Maybe Tim's conversational style fits in with our times better than we realize.   Will be cool if Chris can attract some young blood so we don't just turn into an old age home for the last of salaried classes.    Some young people care.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 1:18am

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    The other vax candidates re "not with spike proteins?"

    I made some searches and made a little list today. Some of these are spike protein vaccines, and I think some are "whole virus" vaccines. Not finished researching, but here are some names:

    Vaccine candidates

    Novavax contains Matrix X adjuvant, and spike proteins.

    Valneva I think is French VLA2001 is currently the only whole virus, inactivated, adjuvanted vaccine candidate in clinical trials against COVID-19 in Europe. About VLA2001. VLA2001 contains inactivated whole virus particles of SARS-CoV-2 with high Spike (S) protein density, in combination with two adjuvants, alum and Dynavax's CpG 1018. It is intended for active immunisation of at-risk populations to prevent carriage and symptomatic infection with COVID-19.

    Medicago’s “plant based proteins with adjuvant

    COVAXIN is Biotech’s India vaccine, approved there already. COVAXIN is a highly purified and inactivated vaccine that is manufactured   also, made by Ocugen.
    Biovacc-19
    Is south African company. Not too much in July 2021 on updates

     

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 1:31am

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    Yes

    That’s why COVID 19 and the Ivermectin story was such a gift; truth hit me in the face. As Chris puts it, I may be wrong on some issues now, but I’m not confused.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 1:33am

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    New Stephanie Seneff interview

    MIT Scientist: Covid Vaccines May Cause Diseases in '10 to 15 years' (Exclusive Video)

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 5:57am

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    Dr. Winfried Stöcker Vaccine

    I just came across the story of Dr. Winfried Stöcker who developed a peptide based vaccine with very minor side effects and quite high efficiency 95%+ (well - antibody production as reported).

    However, it seems it went a bit chaotic...

    Breaking: Famous Doctor Develops Safe Vaccine Against COVID; Germany Prosecutes Him (Video)

    Has anybody had a look at this? Would be interesting to have some thoughts from our experts here.  Chris maybe? If he is not too busy...

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 7:15am

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    Multiple Strands

    I was surprised that so many people didn't get this interview. Having been a classical pianist since Age 3 I'm use to following multiple strands at the same time. I guess many people can't do that.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 10:53am

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    What‘s there to „get“ ?

    Could you elaborate on what you mean by that ? (many people don’t „get“ this Timcast ?)

    In terms of substantive conversation, it‘s only about 10%-15% of the time.

    If you mean by “get” to appreciate an informal, meandering, entertainment-heavy conversational style then yes, I admit, I don’t “get” it. As I said, this is a matter of preference.  But even if one prefers this style, it doesn’t make it a great substantive conversation. It’s still mostly entertainment.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 11:18am

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    Question for Chris and pp.com doctors...

    You may have seen this phenomenon before whereby researchers publishing work find ways to publish otherwise worrying data while stating a different outcome.  This is one such case that comes from the twitter of one Dr. JohnB.  I will first show the study, and then his reanalysis of the data in a following twitter link.

    My question to the team is this;  On what basis did the writers of the paper draw a line high enough above all the anti-syncytin-1 antibody data such that all results were, "negative".  The OD492 results are an optical density test... so light transmission and some kind of linear (Beer's law) correlation to a reactant specific to the antibodies of interest .  The paper states that the researchers developed their own ELISA assay for these particular antibodies.. so it looks to me like it was a completely arbitrary way of presenting this otherwise disturbing data , suggestive of increased autoimmunity towards one's own reproductive tissues, as being, "in the noise".  When two reasonably substantial data sets have literally no crossover, then the first conclusion should not be that it's all in the noise....

    The paper:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.23.21257686v1.full.pdf

    Addressing anti-syncytin antibody levels, and fertility and breastfeeding concerns,
    following BNT162B2 COVID-19 mRNA vaccination

    What are the novel findings of this work?
    COVID-19 vaccination with BNT162B2 did not elicit a cross-reacting humoral response to human syncytin-1 despite robust neutralising activity to the SARS-CoV2 spike protein, and while vaccine mRNA was isolated from plasma, it was not found in breast milk.

    Now here is the original data as presented in the paper for these autoimmune antibodies;

    Here then is Dr. JohnB's reanalysis of the data - he just accumulated all of the post vax datapoints into one data group.  The same conclusion is easy to reach looking at the original data once you disregard the arbitrary line the authors call their threshold for, "positive".  I guess if you make your own ELISA test, you can set your own, "positive" threshold.  Nice.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 11:27am

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    I have seen this before

    A researchers conclusion doesn't completely follow from the actual data in the same paper.  It is one strategy to "sell" a paper to publishers and put the data into the public arena, just as you suggest, Jim H.

    Just a guess here, but it looks like the antibodies induced by the vaccination (and response) cross react with a human protein 'syncytin-1.'

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 11:33am

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    for Dreinmund

    As announced, there was effort to divert youtube from finding something to censor. That was also in Chris' title. It's something Chris has been struggling with, and Tim has his own tricks to share. There was entertainment for Tim's usual crowd - don't put them down because they are a different demographic. They may be surprised and curious about Chris's part and join PP. There were some spoof's against youtube, which Chris' joined by saying "curse words!" There was, of course, Chris's material, which may have seemed sparse to us because we've been hearing about it all for so long, but it was probably new to much of the audience. As Dr. Peter McCullough said in his interview a few weeks ago, keep it short and simple or you will loose people. Some people here seem to have a distaste for Tim's demographic, but they deserve to know, too, and they are entitled to join if they wish, and contribute to the conversation. I'm sure there were strands that I didn't pick up because I don't know everything going on with Tim's crowd.

    You sound sincere in your response, so I'll tell you briefly how it is done. It's not a quick trick. It takes a lot of work and experience:

    Each strand needs to be simple in itself. It needs to have its own balance and coherency. The art is in the juxtapositions and interweaving. It's easy enough for me to detect and analyze after all these years, like analyzing a Beethoven sonata. But I find it atrociously difficult to create myself. I was fascinated by Tim's work.

    I hesitate to say this and maybe shouldn't: I've noticed some anger here when the material presented is aimed at someone else besides oneself. No, not you, but some people. Maybe I do that, too, so I'll watch out for it.

     

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 12:17pm

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    dreinmund said:

    Thanks, Agnes.

    I must admit, I did not recognize the “art” in the way Tim seems to construct his show. It felt very unplanned and improvised to me, but I can accept that it’s a skill that I can’t identify as such. Perhaps it’s similar to things like TikTok, which I don’t “get” either.

    As I said, I don’t have a problem with it - it’s a delivery form for a different (younger) audience.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 12:56pm

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    WWIII

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 12:59pm

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    agnes xyz said:

    Tim's work probably was improvised, but that's always done within a strict framework using a lot of hard-earned technique. It's not just barfed up, as we keep getting told. I've done some simple improvisation myself, and I've enjoyed teaching it from the ground up to usable levels. It's awesome fun and a great reward for hard-working students. We laugh a lot.

    I'm not saying Tim is a genius or anything. He may not know exactly what he is doing. But he's doing it and making it work. And it's hard, experienced work.

    You are to be commended for your curiosity. Most people have no interest in this stuff. Most people insist on believing that artistic ability is something people are born with, not from knowledge and hard work. I think it gets them pity and lets them off the hook for making any effort themselves. Also, sadly enough, lower-grade professionals are happy to spread the born-with meme. It keeps the riff-raff from attempting to compete. It's a powerful and ubiquitous belief system.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 1:04pm

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    attention span

    Assume Tim's audience has the attention span of a flea.  Start with that.  🙂

    Have you ever chatted with someone about a very serious subject, only to have them pick up their phone, scroll through the latest facebook updates, click "like" several times, and completely ignore what you just said?

    That would be Tim's audience.

    Mostly, I don't think that's us.

    Retaining their attention for longer than 10 seconds is probably an incredibly difficult art form.

    My old boss used to tell me the following: when watching a duck apparently gliding effortlessly across the lake - are they paddling furiously underneath the water to make it all happen?  Or is there an unseen current pulling them along?

    As an observer on the shore, it is impossible to know.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 3:14pm

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    Mitzi said:

    Yes, a 1000 times yes.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 4:13pm

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    Dr. Janci Chunn Lindsay - CDC ACIP public comment - April 23, 2021





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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 4:15pm

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    Cool

    Can I burn the tent down when we win?

    😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 9:30pm

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    US Army command preparing to order forced vaccinations for all personnel

    https://www.armytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/07/01/prepare-for-mandatory-covid-vaccines-in-september-army-tells-commands/

    The Army has directed commands to prepare to administer mandatory COVID-19 vaccines as early as Sept. 1, pending full Food and Drug Administration licensure, Army Times has learned.

    The directive came from an execute order sent to the force by Department of the Army Headquarters.

    Army Times obtained a portion of a recent update to HQDA EXORD 225-21, COVID-19 Steady State Operations.

    “Commanders will continue COVID-19 vaccination operations and prepare for a directive to mandate COVID-19 vaccination for service members [on or around] 01 September 2021, pending full FDA licensure,” the order said. “Commands will be prepared to provide a backbrief on servicemember vaccination status and way ahead for completion once the vaccine is mandated.”…

    Looks like the FDA will grant final approval by September 1 !

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 9:34pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    In his last interview Dr bossche said he is not niaeve enough to think the vac campaign can be stopped.

     

    He saw the real hope in the grassroots movement towards the various treatments that individuals can take on their own.

     

    What happens next will be as sad to watch as any war but we are not helpless

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 11:04pm

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    Suppression of symptoms.

    I need to suppress my symptoms of this disease; that is, the desire to go around with with a big wooden club and address the perps forthrightly.

    That primitive reaction would be vastly counter-productive. The whole purpose of the exercise is to send humanity through Finishing School so that we are fit for polite company in the Greater Cosmos.

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 11:06pm

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    Vax side effect of the day

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2021 - 11:43pm

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    BMI.....

    Shame about Joe's liver failure.  Probably no connection, but that "perfectly healthy" BMI of 30.9 could probably use some trimming.  But I'm not a doctor, so......Aloha, Steve

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  • Tue, Jul 06, 2021 - 12:13am

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    Joe’s BMI

    How do you know Joe’s BMI? Joe could have been a gym rat before his illness. A simple height vs weight calculation is not always correct. My son is 5’6” 180 lbs of solid muscle less than 10% body fat high school football running back. Are you going to tell me he is fat? Before making those kinds of judgements find out more information. Look at the guy’s profile pic. His face does not look like someone who has a obese level of body fat.

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  • Tue, Jul 06, 2021 - 1:36am

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    hmm

    If this poor guy had tested positive for COVID prior to his hospitalization, then for sure, COVID would have been listed as the cause of his liver failure issue.  However, after taking a vaccine - pretty clearly - they are unrelated.  People get liver failure all the time.

    Correlation is not causation.

    Except when its COVID19.  In that case, correlation is ALWAYS causation.

    Science!

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  • Tue, Jul 06, 2021 - 2:00am

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    Gun shot injuries correlate with subsequent high death rates

    Kind of reminds me of the guy shot in the chest with a .44 magnum pistol.  He immediately falls to the ground and dies.

    As you all know correlation is not causation.  It would be a terrible breach of logical rigor to ASSUME that the gun shot CAUSED his death!

    After all, he might have simply had an arrhythmia or pulmonary embolism or something.

    heh heh

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  • Tue, Jul 06, 2021 - 2:35am

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    thatchmo said:

    You ever have those times when that little voice in your head says "don't press that key", but you do it anyway?  I assumed those numbers on Joe's chart indicated his height as 5'9", 209 lbs.  I assumed he isn't a professional body builder.  My Bad.  I guess using the word "probably", twice, doesn't relieve me of bias.  Is that Joe's real pic?  As I've said before, these times seem to be exacerbating thin-skinnedness and hypersensitivity in many, myself included on occasions.  Mysterymet, I hope you and your family are and remain healthy and safe, and especially hope your son can manage to navigate high school on his own terms- health and body-wise.  Aloha, Steve.

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  • Tue, Jul 06, 2021 - 5:23pm

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    Repurposed Joke

    If you're  sitting in public and a stranger takes the seat next to you, just stare straight ahead and say, "Did you bring the Ivermectim?"

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  • Tue, Jul 06, 2021 - 8:53pm

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    Fauci humor

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  • Sat, Jul 10, 2021 - 6:16pm

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    remark86 said:

    I am new to PP. I decided to join after watching Chris on Tim’s podcast. I’ve been following Tim for over a year and I understand your gripe regarding his style. However, the overall impression I have of his podcast after watching dozens and dozens of his videos and interviews (including bonus content) is that he provides a thoughtful and deep dive into polar viewpoints, and arduously sifts through the b.s. I agree that he can be pompous at times, but he will also admit when he is wrong.

    That said, I did watch the one hour bonus segment with Chris and Tim. Due to YouTube’s rules, a lot of what they discussed in the bonus hour was barely touched upon during the regular segment. You may find the bonus discussion much more stimulating than what you saw on YouTube .

    I have a question that maybe you could answer…

    Chris and Tim discuss an article from the Salk Institute linked here: https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/

     

    The very first paragraph of the Salk article states, “Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.”

    In the bonus segment, Tim and Chris seemed to praise the Salk article, but overlooked this quote which seems to dispel the main point of concern regarding the danger of the spike proteins in the vaccines.

    Do you know why the quote doesn’t undermine the contention that the spike protein from the vaccine is dangerous to humans? I’m not a scientist or doctor, so maybe I’m missing something.

     

     

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