• Blog
    Censored

    Censored! Most Recent Covid Video Banned By YouTube

    A sad milestone for truth-seekers
    by Chris Martenson

    Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 3:20 PM

Well, we knew it was coming, and we’re surprised it took so long, honestly.

Youtube took down my most recent video which merely went through the most recent data on Ivermectin.

Here’s the video reposted in its entirety:

It’s nothing personal, and has nothing to do with my qualifications or the veracity of the material. Even a front-line doctor with heaps of direct Covid experience has been banned/blocked by farcebook:

Dr Kory Pierre makes numerous excellent and impassioned points in his Senate testimony which farcebook decided people shouldn’t see!

Adam and I have received emails from people using the Nextdoor app which also took down my video and any commentary on or about it.

It’s a full-on information war folks, and I wish there was anything noble or good to say about it.  After ignoring, blocking and then slow-boating any possible alternative non-big-pharma drugs, the entire ecosystem of big social media platforms has joined forces with the CDC/FDA/NIH/NIAID to stifle anybody who might talk about effective therapeutics.

Science doesn’t matter.  Lives don’t matter.  The economy doesn’t matter.  Who will stand up to this true axis of evil?  If not us, then who?

I stand for science, I stand for logic, I stand for integrity and I stand for this community.  It’s crunch time folks.  We’re there.  It has arrived at our beach – the first waves are now lapping at our feet.

______________________________________________________________________

DISCLAIMER: THIS WEBSITE DOES NOT PROVIDE MEDICAL ADVICE
The information, including but not limited to, text, graphics, images, videos and other material contained on this website are for informational and educational purposes only. No material on this site is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health care provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment and before undertaking a new health care regimen, and never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have read on this website.

Related content
» More

259 Comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:15pm

    #1
    cliburn

    cliburn

    Status: Member

    Joined: Apr 19 2020

    Posts: 3

    8

    Keep going Chris

    Keep going Chris

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:16pm

    #2
    Jymm

    Jymm

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 11 2020

    Posts: 1

    3

    Banned

    Not a surprise. I don't use social media of any kind so I'm not sure how I could pass on your video. Input would be awesome.

    Jymm.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:24pm

    #3
    allidoisnguyen0003

    allidoisnguyen0003

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 22 2020

    Posts: 24

    4

    Yup....I knew today when I tried sharing that video through gmail

    Thanks Chris for reposting!!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:27pm

    Chris Martenson

    Chris Martenson

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 07 2007

    Posts: 6430

    3

    How to pass on the video to other people

    Not a surprise. I don't use social media of any kind so I'm not sure how I could pass on your video. Input would be awesome.

    Just copy the URL from the bar at the top of your browser and paste wherever you like (email, Twitter, etc.)

    Or copy it from right here:

    Censored! Most Recent Covid Video Banned By YouTube

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:33pm

    #5

    travissidelinger

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Nov 17 2010

    Posts: 292

    10

    You now know it's for real

    "If you speak the truth, have a foot in the stirrup." - Turkish Proverb

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:40pm

    #6
    Chris Martenson

    Chris Martenson

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 07 2007

    Posts: 6430

    10

    Also Real

    "If you have no problems, get a goat." - Persian proverb

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:49pm

    #7
    MKI

    MKI

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Jan 12 2009

    Posts: 350

    7

    I really don't understand the motive(s) of the TPTB on Covid

    Youtube took down my most recent video which merely went through the most recent data on Ivermectin.

    I really don't understand the motive(s) of the TPTB on Covid.

    Things like 911-inside-job make sense to me (Israel and a dozen others had a motive, it started 7 wars). But does anyone here have a theory who's running the whole Covid thing and why? It's simply beyond question anymore it's a political hit job, either a manufactured virus or a natural one being used for political gain. But it's so dang coordinated worldwide, who's running the show? Any theory would be welcome.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:50pm

    Chuck in Belize

    Chuck in Belize

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: May 23 2020

    Posts: 245

    10

    Encouraging in a way.

    It shows just how desperate They are. By that, you know where They are vulnerable.

    Whatever it is that They can't stand, keep on doing it.It's called a siege. It takes a while and it isn't fun.

    It worked in the Middle Ages. It will likely work now.

    Keep it up, Dr. Chris. It's going to work.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:54pm

    #9
    Cat

    Cat

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Feb 21 2020

    Posts: 37

    16

    Cat said:

    We stand with you and for you Chris. And for what you are standing for.

    The world has gone bat-shit crazy.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:59pm

    #10
    jvanname

    jvanname

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: May 23 2020

    Posts: 83

    11

    Facebook

    "They 'trust me', dumb fucks"-Mark Zuckerberg describing Facebook users who trust him with their personal data (if you are offended by my quoted foul language, then I apologize)

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:59pm

    #11

    SagerXX

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Feb 11 2009

    Posts: 701

    12

    Well, if this is a siege...

    ...lemme go git my trebuchet!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:02pm

    #12

    Boomer41

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Nov 30 2008

    Posts: 275

    17

    When you tear out a man's tongue...

    When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.

    ~George R.R. Martin

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:04pm

    #13
    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    3

    in the end we hold them culpable

    Thank God this is American and we can sue anyone we want .  I believe in the end of this so called censorship by MSM and social media,  these company exec will not only be poor but spend the rest of their lives in jail/.   AND that would not even come close to justice for all the loss of life and harm they have caused.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:13pm

    #14
    capesurvivor

    capesurvivor

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Sep 12 2008

    Posts: 245

    7

    “From time to time...the blood of patriots”

    It’s still hard to comprehend these smiling bastards are just plain evil but I keep working on it. At some point, elitism and greed finally run into tar and feathers, the guillotine, AR-15’s...

    Keep it up, Chris, we appreciate it and do what we can to support your efforts.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:14pm

    #15
    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    2

    its not snake oil - wonder why it was censored

    you are not profiting from selling snake oil with "baseless" claims.     You are showing science and facts.. and whether to facts show something and imply something, is not a violation of terms.    Just because the FDA or authorities are unaware , ignorant unknowledgeable or corrupt, doesn't discount the facts whether something cures of treats a disease.    But even by their definition , if something does, then it is a drug.  I am pretty sure ivermectin is a drug..  AND off-label treatment in the USA is a thing , it is legal and you do treat other conditions with drugs that have beneficial side-effects or other effects..

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:16pm

    Angela Johnson

    Angela Johnson

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 17 2016

    Posts: 7

    13

    Angela Johnson said:

    Get up to speed on the World Economic Forum's Great Reset, at weforum.com.  As insane as it sounds, there are people who want to crash the world population, and the world economy, because there are just too many of us and we are just too fond of consumer goods.  That, and they truly truly believe we have gone past the tipping point on global warming, and since they want to keep all their lovely stuff and privilege and private jets, some of us (a whole lot of us) just have to be swept of the global chessboard.  Some of the elites are true eugenecists, like Bill Gates, whose father was head of Planned Parenthood.  Bill had tetanus vaccines contaminated with hcg which vaccinated these young women against pregnancy.  It was given to women of child-bearing age in Africa, and sterilized many 10s of thousands, perhaps 100s of thousands.  It is hard to wrap your head around evil when you are a normie.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:17pm

    tigerlump

    tigerlump

    Status: Member

    Joined: Apr 18 2008

    Posts: 3

    3

    tigerlump said:

    Luciferians

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:22pm

    #18
    Mots

    Mots

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Jun 18 2012

    Posts: 516

    8

    "Fascism: the merger of state and corporate power" (quote from Chris Hedges)

    In my opinion: This fascism was predicted and will get much, much worse. See for example Dark Ages America.  Fascism grows until everything gets destroyed. Prove me wrong.  Any examples of reasoned arguments that politely delivered, cause a reversal of fascism?  If so let's follow such example.

    We already see the next phase, of getting pushed out of ISPs, removal of domain name ownership, spoofing of emails, denial of service by credit card companies and paypal, etc by other truth searchers at the bleeding edge.

    1. some people here are real truth seekers and will become the remnant.  I suggest that such people develop non-internet based ways of getting in touch with each other to share information.  Until systemic collapse (which I dont expect in my lifetime) things are going to get much, much worse. The complacent Germans in their democracy refused to believe what was happening around them in the 1930s, as well.

    2. for those who really want truthful dialogue, we will need our own peer to peer pathway.  I wonder if others agree with this and can work with me starting next year some time...........

    Some other countries are in much better shape.  Ivermectin clinical research results  from overseas and much lower covid rates ex US are ample evidence of this.  There is real optimism outside the immediate collapsing empire.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:23pm

    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    6

    angela, nailed it

    I keep saying people( our governors )  are not this dumb, it must be by design.  I am sure it is , and it is all in the scheme.   The question is there are lots of us , but not enough because the average person is brainwashed by the MSM propaganda machine.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:23pm

    #20
    Mary59

    Mary59

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Feb 09 2020

    Posts: 182

    3

    Great Speech - BRAVEHEART -





    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:23pm

    #21
    Jeff

    Jeff

    Status: Member

    Joined: Aug 17 2012

    Posts: 114

    9

    Must Watch

    https://youtu.be/OoeCB0MudgA

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:53pm

    #22
    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    5

    The time is at hand.

    I  have just this head splinter song all the time now.





    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:54pm

    #23
    Chris Martenson

    Chris Martenson

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 07 2007

    Posts: 6430

    19

    And here's today's video

    Assuming this remains up on Youtube...here's today's installment - this features Dr. Pierre Kory's blistering (and troubling) Senate testimony on Ivermectin:

    https://youtu.be/kE2EcKm5Uj4

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:07pm

    #24
    VegasJim

    VegasJim

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Mar 19 2020

    Posts: 132

    9

    VegasJim said:

    Got the apple flavor horse paste  from Amazon today, Thank You

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:20pm

    pinecarr

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Apr 13 2008

    Posts: 1411

    7

    Agree - must see video

    Jeff, that was a powerful video!!  For others, the video is of Dr. James Lyons-Weiler at the PA Medical Freedom Press Conference, on 10/20/20.  Here is his bio from the link Jeff provided:

    "Research scientist James Lyons – Weiler, PhD, is President and CEO of The Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge , Founder of IPAK-EDU.org, and the author of “Cures vs. Profits“, “Environmental and Genetic Causes of Autism“, and “Ebola:An Evolving Story” Dr. Lyons-Weiler has been conducting biomedical research for over 20 years and has 58 peer-reviewed publications. After earning a PhD in Ecology, Evolution & Conservation in Biology, he won an AP Sloan Postdoctoral Fellowship in Computational Molecular Biology at Pennsylvania State University. Prior to founding IPAK and IPAK-EDU, he was a full faculty member at the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute, faculty in the Department of Pathology in the School and Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh, and Senior Research Scientist/Scientific Director of the University of Pittsburgh's Bioinformatics Analysis Core in support of translational research, systems biology, sequence analysis, and the creation of novel algorithmic solutions for the analysis of complex and challenging data."

    It gives me hope to hear an expert in the medical profession like him stand up and speak with such strength, integrity and conviction  in the face of the amoral sociopaths, liars and corrupt pieces of sh-t who are promoting dangerous vaccines (per his speech, very interesting), destroying people's livelihoods and putting children's health and reproductive capacity at risk.  Thanks so much for sharing!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:21pm

    Mipharm

    Mipharm

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 13 2010

    Posts: 10

    8

    Mipharm said:

    You are in good company Chris, it seems everyday there is something else I can't view.  Today it was Rhonda Patrick's May interview with Joe Rogan.  I had to join Spotify to see the whole interview.  That girl is one you wouldn't want to be on the other side of a debate with.

    This is so unsettling.  It makes me sick to think all those little poor kids (as they are talking about tying the Covid shot to a $1500 incentive payment) getting a shot that may mess them up down the road.  Parents who are unaware of any safety concerns.

    I'm starting to believe in conspiracy theories.  This won't end well for anyone, including big Pharma and tech.

    It may not do any good but I'm writing a letter to congress, senate and anyone else that might listen.  We have to do something, its gotten too far past what's right.

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:24pm

    #27
    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    2

    Powerful video.

    Basically telling them its criminal. and putting them on notice.. YOU are killing people.! Act now..

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:29pm

    tejagrewal

    tejagrewal

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 21 2020

    Posts: 1

    12

    Not many ways to fight back - we should do what we can

    Switched search engine from Google to duckduckgo.com and browser from Chrome to Edge & Firefox

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:37pm

    #29
    ELankford

    ELankford

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 09 2020

    Posts: 1

    2

    Such great info

    DWSNBN.....guess there's more than one! Thank you so much for your work!

    Rumble doesn't censor....might be worth having a profile there!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:37pm

    #30
    T-Storm

    T-Storm

    Status: Member

    Joined: Jul 11 2020

    Posts: 7

    4

    If not us, then who?

    Revolution is coming!! The elite central banksters, media, government officials and Wall Street will not voluntarily stop their wrongdoings and deceptions. The great American People have one viable solution and time is quickly running out for action.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:48pm

    #31
    Eduardo Pena

    Eduardo Pena

    Status: Member

    Joined: Aug 06 2009

    Posts: 1

    3

    Censored / Banned video(s)

    To take on the arbitrary censorship authority of the likes of YouTube, FB, etc, my suggestion is to bring these videos to the attention of someone like Elon Musk, who has the credibility and muscle to take on the YouTubes, Facebooks, etc...and in doing so making a LOT of noise forcing this medical information into the mainstream. To take on this censorship you need somebody on their level or bigger.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:51pm

    #32
    Mary59

    Mary59

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Feb 09 2020

    Posts: 182

    15

    Yes We Must Move Now- While We Can

    The power of what we are up against is great.  Make no mistake about that.  Remember I am the UN Turncoat after 30 years inside.  I thought it was a good thing.  But I now know I helped build the beast I now fight tooth and nail against it.  This is unsavory at best.  Each day I wake and start fighting until I go to bed.  Every day.

    You may have heard that the World Economic Forum and the UN have now entered a formal partnership as of June 2019.  Apart they have minimal power, but together, this is trouble.  You now have many levels of governance, royalty, 1000 plus of the richest corporations globally, the IMF, the UN, all other Bretton Woods entities, most large foundations and trusts, fancy think tanks and academia, the majority of national/central banks, most billionnaires, 95% of Silicon Valley, 90% of mainstream media outlets, principal social media empires, many celebrities and spokes people including the likes of David Attenborough, many goverment and business leaders well massaged and taken care of and a team of many hundreds of thousands of  cream of the crop professionals. not to mention the marketing people, graphic artists, film makers and even "bots"  working in all countries. in six languages, 24/7 towards this Orwellian dream of global governance, which truly is a sort of AI-enriched New World Order.  Klaus Schwab in my mind, is not of sound mind, but that doesnt mean he is not brilliant.  I do not think they would be showing their plans if they had not already predicted their win-using fancy AI models likely.
    The worst thing we can do it nothing.
    The second worst thing is waiting.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:59pm

    #33

    thc0655

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Apr 27 2010

    Posts: 2744

    8

    The hour approaches

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:12pm

    Kim Vogel

    Kim Vogel

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 12 2020

    Posts: 1

    8

    Kim Vogel said:

    I am totally disgusted.  I posted your latest video on FB and it was quickly censored off.  Rather frightening when you are not allowed to share science backed data that is saving millions of people around the world, except of course in the USA, because of POWER-GREED.  It always comes down to money-power. 😵

    I've been with you since mid January 20202. Came across you on YouTube while looking for any sort of information on the then new virus outbreak in Wuhan.  Thanks for sticking with us and tracking down the science based data.  The whole Pandemic experience has been a reawakening for me on the amount of government censorship we casually and or unknowingly live under in the U.S.  Now that I do not work I finally have the time to acknowledge this fact. Not at all happy with it and can see the need for a fundamental sort change.  Sad to see YouTube following FB/Twitter and such.  Seams like EVERTHING is owned by 😱.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:16pm

    irapbmd

    irapbmd

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 05 2020

    Posts: 3

    16

    Best treatment ever video

    I was active in the YouTube comments on the video describing my success treating my first Covid-19 patient with ivermectin.  I will repeat what I said here.  The improvement seen in my patient within 24 hours of the first of two doses of ivermectin was dramatic.  The patient and her family were most appreciative of the outpatient care I provided since she was quite symptomatic 7 days into her illness.  Although I have only treated one person this way, science is suggesting this should be the standard of care.  All health “managers” should follow the science.   I really don’t know how the authorities can sleep at night while the morgues overflow.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:19pm

    rrevard

    rrevard

    Status: Member

    Joined: Oct 03 2009

    Posts: 2

    5

    Data

    Where do we find the papers the good doctor referred to. I will gladly review them and make sure our health system CEO and ID department as well as the intensivists are made aware. May partners and I can bring considerable pressure to bear, although I don’t believe it will be required. We’re in fly over country and our heads are it the game not elsewhere

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:27pm

    Bradford

    Bradford

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Mar 23 2009

    Posts: 94

    3

    Hegelian Dialectic

    Agenda = The "Great" Reset,

    Thesis = an engineered global pandemic,

    Anti-Thesis = a lockdown and a reprogramming of the vast majority,

    Synthesis = removal of their freedoms.

    Looks like most of us will soon be owning goats!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:46pm

    ao

    ao

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 04 2009

    Posts: 1592

    4

    MKI, I'm guessing perhaps you didn't read my post the other day or didn't believe it

    Maybe ask Stanley Kubrick.





    Or maybe Saul Alinsky.  Read the 4th paper page (not numbered page) in Rules for Radicals.

    Or the folks in Skull & Bones.

    Or the attendees at Bohemian Grove.

    Or the visitors of The Mother of Darkness Chateau.  At least the ones who left alive.

    Or the VIPs at the Gotthard Tunnel Base opening ceremony.  Swiss culture, my ***, LOL.

    Or Project MKOFTEN.

    Or Aleister Crowley.

    Or Anton LaVey.

    Or the Dutch banker, Ronald Bernard, who blew the whistle on the whole deal.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:56pm

    #39
    jhwaters

    jhwaters

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 23 2015

    Posts: 8

    5

    Selet Company

    Certificate of Authenticity, YouTube style.

    I wonder who told them you're right.

    Must be someone up the chain of command.  They're not bright enough to figure it out for themselves.

    Chris--you rock.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 8:25pm

    #40
    Ron Reich

    Ron Reich

    Status: Member

    Joined: Oct 23 2020

    Posts: 7

    5

    Solzhenitzen, Galileo, etc.

    I can see it is getting frustrating, but don't forget that in the end, truth gets out and those that bravely held the line are the ones history remembers.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 8:27pm

    #41
    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    2

    Senate hearing - coverage CNN

    Seems a bit of coverage on CNN about the senate hearing?  eyes wide shut?  We will soon find out.   I wonder if they will wake up and see though the vaccine does not appear deadly,( by current study )  that it sure cannot been deemed safe and free of possible ADE and other immunopathy.  ( as they have done nothing to the vaccine to account for this possibility and have acknowledged it cannot be ruled out )   along with other neurological and severe adverse reactions.

    Between the petition for the EU to stop the vaccine , and Dr. James Lyons-Weiler's statement,  If they are not paying attention, there will be major fallout for all these organizations WHO, CDC FDA,  etc.. along with a lot of politicians.     They are on notice.  If they proceed without proper disclosure to the "test monkeys about to receive the vaccines"  , they are about to fail informed consent.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:07pm

    #42
    David Allan

    David Allan

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Nov 15 2009

    Posts: 100

    17

    Its like 9/11 in slow motion with lots of scientific evidence in each case

    Twenty years ago this suppression operation would have been a slam dunk. But now I'm not so sure - with the level of international participation in Ivermectin trials and the radically positive outcomes I suspect it won't be possible to keep to keep this quiet in the US for long. And the longer "they" do the more obviously guilty "they" will look. So can we perhaps expect a managed retreat?

    It has also occurred to me that the antiviral properties of Ivermectin mean it is effective against a lot more viruses than Covid.   I doubt those properties have been unknown to the pharmaceutial industry, so how long has it actually been suppressed? Those antiviral properties  could be devastating to the bottom line of an honest hardworking pharma company whose only interest is the health and well being of the people 😉

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:18pm

    Mike from Jersey

    Mike from Jersey

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jan 22 2018

    Posts: 1215

    15

    Replying to And here's today's video

    I listened to the Senate testimony that Chris provided. I then did a search on DuckDuckGo about Ivermectin and I found studies and reports coming in from all over the world showing its effectiveness.

    I then did a search to see how the hearing was being reported on. This is how the New York Times led into the story about the testimony.

    A Senate hearing promoted unproved drugs and dubious claims about the coronavirus.

    The article was entitled:

    Tracking Viral Misinformation

    In the past several years I have been saying, "every time I think that this country can't get any crazier, it just gets crazier."

    But things are now beyond crazy. We are about to force potentially dangerous vaccines onto the populace while ignoring a cheap and ready cure.

    I am just speechless.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:37pm

    FooBarr

    FooBarr

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Oct 21 2010

    Posts: 128

    2

    Go check out the WEF's corporate partners some time.....things are starting to add up.

    https://www.weforum.org/partners#search

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:40pm

    #45
    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    1

    dave allen about suppression

    Yes, thinking about this ivermectin about bust their dam.  Its a huge deal because it could have a huge impact on many many other latent viral infections.  and conditions of autoimmunity, like MS lupus and others.      This is a huge risk to them.. but your point is taken -

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 10:35pm

    davefairtex

    davefairtex

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 03 2008

    Posts: 2780

    15

    the suppression operation can't last

    Twenty years ago this suppression operation would have been a slam dunk. But now I'm not so sure - with the level of international participation in Ivermectin trials and the radically positive outcomes I suspect it won't be possible to keep to keep this quiet in the US for long. And the longer "they" do the more obviously guilty "they" will look. So can we perhaps expect a managed retreat?

    I think this playbook has been in operation for at least 20 years.  When COVID came along, the gang in charge simply replicated the standard playbook that has been in place for decades.

    But the problem with COVID is the intensity of interest worldwide.  Events are moving too fast, with too much intensity of interest. As a result, the third world has engaged in rapid trials - the ones that Fauci refused to fund.  And they found treatments that work.  It was the international interest resulting from the pandemic that is blowing the cover off the multi-decade sickcare/pharma con.

    It has also occurred to me that the antiviral properties of Ivermectin mean it is effective against a lot more viruses than Covid.   I doubt those properties have been unknown to the pharmaceutial industry, so how long has it actually been suppressed? Those antiviral properties  could be devastating to the bottom line of an honest hardworking pharma company whose only interest is the health and well being of the people 😉

    Yes.  Not just ivermectin.  Hydroxycholoroquine too - all the zinc ionophores.  How many generic antivirals are floating around out there?

    I did some searches today.

    They tried CQ as prophylaxis (no zinc) for influenza.  That one didn't work.

    http://europepmc.org/article/MED/21550310

    They tried ivermectin as a therapy for HIV in Tanzania back in 2009.  (The only such ivermectin/HIV trial).  Primary outcome: difference in HIV viral load between treatment arm and control arm.  Guess how this trial went:

    Recruitment Status: Terminated (Terminated prematurely due to recruitment difficulties. Expansion to more study sites not planned.)

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00817713

    Apparently back in 2009 it was tough to find enough HIV positive patients in Tanzania to recruit.  There were only 1.6 million of them - about 5% of the population, and this trial needed a massive 295 participants.

    So that's the playbook.  When there aren't many trials, it appears that Pharma can get to the researchers and the trials "fail due to recruitment difficulties."  But the COVID pandemic was just too big.  And they weren't able to stuff the research outside the West as effectively as they were able to do in pandemics past.

    My sense: COVID was "a bridge too far."  There are too many moving parts.  Too many people and places are involved.  The Pharma suppression gang are clearly running scared now.  They have a reason to be scared.  This will blow up.  It has gone way beyond their ability to control the narrative.  At least half the population in the US suspects that something is wrong.

    We just need to keep plugging away at this.

    This can't last.  Truth will prevail.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:12am

    #47
    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    3

    Just when you thought impossible to bury the truth after the senate hearing

    They buried it in very short decisive fashion.   The NY times could not wait to publish

    "hearing focused on unproven drugs and dubious claims about the coronavirus"

    over at yahoo they went a different decisive route

    Senate hearing at which Republicans focused on hydroxychloroquine, the discredited antimalarial drug some of Trump’s allies on Capitol Hill continue to insist is an effective coronavirus treatment. From there, the hearing moved to (inaccurate) comparisons likening COVID-19 to the flu, and diatribes against social media.

    Unreal false facts - how they can quickly deceive the public into flat out lies - You cannot make this stuff or just confuse facts.  They rushed like hell to kill something that seems nearly impossible if you actually attended the hearing.

    I cant believe all the journalists are on the take.  But I am sure it went something like this.. once the hearing completed.. : The powers that be made a call to the editor at the newsroom, and said kill this asap...  and then the editor told one of his journalists what to say there .. and that was that..   no journalism at all.  They at best had the liberty to add some fluff , a bunch of to do about nothing.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:49am

    #48
    Grover

    Grover

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 15 2011

    Posts: 1062

    10

    Starve The Bastards!

    If you don't like the way these platforms (Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) are treating you, why do you engage with them? They are getting richer when you use them.

    This applies to all of us. Find alternatives to these behemoths. I use DuckDuckGo as my search engine. I have purposefully not used Google's search engine for years. Why? I don't approve of their tracking me everywhere. Their parent company, Alphabet, owns Youtube. I still watch content posted there, but I'd prefer watching the same content elsewhere, just so these bastards lose revenue.

    I don't use Facebook or any other social media. Are there alternatives that don't censor "truthful" content? If so, migrate to the new system, tell your friends you have a new profile elsewhere (and why you have a new profile elsewhere,) and then stop using your old account.

    These people only care about amassing more money and power. They have no other loyalties. You or I leaving them behind won't be considered significant by their management, but once the trickle becomes a flood, their own greed will force them to reevaluate their policy decisions.

    Grover

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 2:11am

    #49
    Max S.

    Max S.

    Status: Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2020

    Posts: 7

    8

    Chris - Do like James Corbett

    Chris. Use James Corbett's strategy.

    He posts on his own page like this : https://www.corbettreport.com/brettonwoods2/ with links to several platforms: Archive, BitChute, LBRY, Minds, YouTube or simply Download the mp4 directly.

    The compelling argument for this strategy is that during the alternative info purge from youtube during the lase few years, one person, who should have had his channel removed in particular, namely James Corbett, has never had anything taken down, and he in no way self censors. It seems the fact, that his videos are available over multiple platforms has prevented censuring and take downs so far.

    This may be at viable strategy, for both staying on youtube without censorship, but also for immediate fail over should the Gootube censors go into action again.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 2:49am

    brianwilliams82

    brianwilliams82

    Status: Member

    Joined: Nov 05 2018

    Posts: 22

    0

    brianwilliams82 said:

    putting children's... reproductive capacity at risk.

    Not trying to be an ass or anything but is that really an issue for TPTB in The West? 5-6 children is a thing of the past and 2 children is generally accepted as 'enough', if not 'large'.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 3:03am

    #51
    tbp

    tbp

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Apr 12 2020

    Posts: 1113

    11

    The Great Alt-Tech Transition; How evil is the agenda?; The battles ahead

    Remember the one link to send to everyone that serves a undeniable PROOF that ivermectin works: c19ivermectin.com. Anyone denying a p-value as low as that which all the studies reveal is an ignorant buffoon and has no leg to stand on.

    Hopefully this is your final confirmation that we need to move to alt-tech. It doesn't hurt to cross-post on YT, Vimeo, Bitchute, Brighteon (James Corbett's strategy)... starting to build audience on alt-tech is essential.

    The above is from 14 months ago. Newer ones not on this list include Parler (getting very popular lately), LBRY, Rumble, Brighteon, ...

    Note that I don't agree with the idea/strategy of people voluntarily abandoning the largest battlefields (chiefly Youtube, FB, Twitter), but the goal is to bring awareness to people of alt-tech sites that do respect free speech and human beings. We're giving them undeserved money, as @Grover pointed out, yes, but the trade-off is too important. Or you can not monetize your YT videos to reduce their (and your) profits, and use ad-blockers on their sites.

    @MKI
    I really don't understand the motive(s) of the TPTB on Covid.

    Things like 911-inside-job make sense to me (Israel and a dozen others had a motive, it started 7 wars). But does anyone here have a theory who's running the whole Covid thing and why? It's simply beyond question anymore it's a political hit job, either a manufactured virus or a natural one being used for political gain. But it's so dang coordinated worldwide, who's running the show? Any theory would be welcome.

    It's difficult to fathom the level of evil we're dealing with, whether it's purely human or whether there's also something beyond that involved. But here's an excellent analysis of some of the major human players behind the agenda:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otolzPODEZk

    Once you grasp the level of evildoing we're witnessing, then you know they'd have no qualms producing and releasing the virus. The evidence of foreknowledge is overwhelming. Event 201 is itself a smoking gun, a new Building 7.

    @nordicjack
    Thank God this is American and we can sue anyone we want . I believe in the end of this so called censorship by MSM and social media, these company exec will not only be poor but spend the rest of their lives in jail/. AND that would not even come close to justice for all the loss of life and harm they have caused.

    You bet! Some military generals are already calling for the invocation of the Insurrection Act, which would allow the USG to seize their assets and arrest them and try them for treason. They are of course not only censoring any and all effective covid cures, they're also censoring all voter fraud allegations, i.e. they are openly stealing the most important things from us (our health and our democracy).

    A major chess move is coming from Texas and 8 other states who are suing in SCOTUS the corrupted states plagued with voter-fraud. If it fails... well clearly Trump has sworn an oath that prevents him from turning over the White House to a compromised puppet controlled by a foreign enemy, as he alludes to in his historic speech (that I'll post below in case someone here still hasn't seen it since they have of course censored it as much as they can):





    ^ The most important speech you've EVER seen, if you're an American. (Compare those 46 minutes to these hilarious 46 minutes.)

    Another major move is to happen by Dec. 18th, when DNI Ratcliffe (let's hope he won't act like a rat jumping over a cliff) "confirms the existence of foreign interference that was capable of altering the outcome of the election", which "gives President Trump full justification to declare the election null and void".

    @Mary59
    You may have heard that the World Economic Forum and the UN have now entered a formal partnership as of June 2019. Apart they have minimal power, but together, this is trouble. You now have many levels of governance, royalty, 1000 plus of the richest corporations globally, the IMF, the UN, all other Bretton Woods entities, most large foundations and trusts, fancy think tanks and academia, the majority of national/central banks, most billionnaires, 95% of Silicon Valley, 90% of mainstream media outlets, principal social media empires, many celebrities and spokes people including the likes of David Attenborough, many goverment and business leaders well massaged and taken care of and a team of many hundreds of thousands of cream of the crop professionals. not to mention the marketing people, graphic artists, film makers and even "bots" working in all countries. in six languages, 24/7 towards this Orwellian dream of global governance, which truly is a sort of AI-enriched New World Order. Klaus Schwab in my mind, is not of sound mind, but that doesnt mean he is not brilliant. I do not think they would be showing their plans if they had not already predicted their win-using fancy AI models likely.

    You nailed a lot of it. Everyone, watch Polly's video above!!!

    EDIT: the ultimate IRONY, I'm being censored by PeakProsperity itself (one of the non-fixed issues)!!!!... or I was, until I edited out some links into invalid links, then edited to correct them and now it's fine!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 3:13am

    Oliveoilguy

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 29 2012

    Posts: 1317

    0

    RRevard ..here is the study

    https://ivmmeta.com/

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 3:36am

    #53
    tbp

    tbp

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Apr 12 2020

    Posts: 1113

    0

    tbp said:

    ^ Oh yes, that site is even better than c19ivermectin.com actually! Just tell people, who are you gonna believe, a p=0.00000012, or alleged "health authorities" clearly engaged in crimes against humanity?

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 4:21am

    #54
    brushhog

    brushhog

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Oct 06 2015

    Posts: 877

    4

    Symbols rule the world

    There is a philosophy that the world is determined by symbols on a subconscious level. For those with eyes to see and ears to hear, once seen the symbols cannot be unseen.

    The censorship has grown in direct parallel with the forced masking of the public. Fauci himself, with his patented smirk, claimed masks are "largely symbolic". Symbolic of what? A muzzle?

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 6:12am

    Pipyman

    Pipyman

    Status: Member

    Joined: Apr 24 2011

    Posts: 225

    0

    Hmmm

    Ummm, correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is you don’t subscribe to PP’s central and foundational view I.e we are reaching our limits and are facing extreme correction or collapse.

    I suggest that’s why you’re confused.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 6:14am

    David McKenney

    David McKenney

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 25 2020

    Posts: 109

    1

    About Polly's video...

    One item: she doesn't talk about China and their ambitions. I hope some will watch "robinwestenra.blogspot.com" and post a comment about how all this might connect with China's ambitions.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 6:16am

    Pipyman

    Pipyman

    Status: Member

    Joined: Apr 24 2011

    Posts: 225

    0

    Could you give a link?

    Please?

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 6:36am

    #58
    Mark Sircus

    Mark Sircus

    Status: Member

    Joined: Aug 06 2018

    Posts: 9

    8

    Mark Sircus said:

    Chris you are just too good and have been through the duration of this pandemic which is not a pandemic at all. It is really nice to have you to trust.
    Until your video was not aware of Ivermectin but I jumped on it with 20 feet, including your 10, in the following essay that was slated only to be about Vitamin D.

    Vitamin D & Ivermectin Better Solutions to COVID than Vaccines

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 7:03am

    #59
    defender121791

    defender121791

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 23 2020

    Posts: 1

    3

    For censorship ...

    Thanks Doc. Please start Posting on RUMBLE as well as the never sufficiently damned YouTube. I have read that there is little to no censorship there, I follow some interesting people on RUMBLE.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 7:15am

    #60
    French connexion

    French connexion

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Mar 26 2020

    Posts: 281

    5

    Stasi

    Alot of strange stuff going on. I keep waiting, expecting it to stop - like it becomes difficult to sustain a lie as the contradictions mount. Patience I say to myself.

    I was going to post a video I saw from Dr Raoult today -  thought I would post it here, as he talked about the impossibility to compete against the billions of dollars proposed by the pharmaceutical companies. Couldn't find it anywhere. I watched it on my telephone - couldn't find it.

    Last night I sent an e-mail from upstairs to my wife downstairs so she could edit a letter we were working on. It took half an hour to get to her!

    I don't like the idea of being watched, but obviously someone has something to hide and it isn't me.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 7:46am

    #61
    Hans

    Hans

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Aug 09 2017

    Posts: 185

    9

    Hans said:

    60 comments and NONE about Bitcoin? 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 8:06am

    wotthecurtains

    wotthecurtains

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Feb 27 2020

    Posts: 882

    9

    A bit of positivity

    I am lately as consumed with grief, disgust and loathing towards officialdom as anyone else here.

    But I think its important to look for the spots of light when we can find them, if just for momentary relief.  For me this list includes:

    - I was able to physically and mentally plan early for Covid19 thanks to a certain youtuber who was issuing alerts back in January

     

    - I was able to get a prescription from an MD for both HCQ/Azith AND Ivm/Doxy back in August when the evidence for these essentially risk free treatments was merely substantial and not yet totally overwhelming.

     

    - Today the British are warning people with severe allergies shouldnt get the vaccine which opens an obvious door to how you will dodge it legally in your jurisdiction.   You will simply find a doctor to write you whatever letter is required because you got hives once when you were 15 and ate too much MSG laden western Chinese food.

     

    What's happening to us is sad, ridiculous and dark, but you aren't a part of "America" or "The West" anymore.  You are among the revenant, going about your business during a time of transition.   Sew your gold into your garments, stockpile your "apple jam", and build your resiliency.

     

    The people who continue to be uncurious about what's happening are not likely to get curious after what happened in front of the Senate today.  Build your resilience and when a time of emergency comes for one of the ones you are close to just say, "Ive got this if you want it" and go from there.

    Maybe they will be so thankful they will join the revenant.  Or maybe they won't.  Just keep looking for that way forward.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 8:11am

    Mary59

    Mary59

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Feb 09 2020

    Posts: 182

    7

    YES ao -

    YES ao

    I have in the last months/years researched each point you note.

    I add the 2019 Military Games Ceremony to your list as well.  I started to watch the video of it and I was looking for symbols.  Found so many, I would need Excel to track them and I don't like/understand  Excel so gave up.

    Since I am one of the ones always howling how we need to understand our context, I thus need also howl to expose and assess the less palatable, less acceptable, less known factors which govern our context at the biggest circles perhaps -circles, dimensions and realms.  If we seek to see, we must not turn away from that which frightens us, but rather continue our journey, and this journey will indeed lead to the darkest of dark valleys.  Here we will tread.  Here we will fear no evil.  Because Truth holds no fear, as Light holds no darkness, and as Goodness never hides.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 8:21am

    #64

    000

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Dec 10 2013

    Posts: 326

    0

    Quantum Technology: Quantum Sensing - Prof. Jonathan Dowling

    The event horizon is/was imminent.





    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 9:00am

    Kodakcollector

    Kodakcollector

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 09 2020

    Posts: 4

    3

    Kodakcollector said:

    Both Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectim are banned in Oregon. My healthcare provider can't prescribe. Record high deaths yesterday. Clearing out Social Security recipients. Useless lockdowns in place. Been watching you since March and the global genocide that has followed. Thanos has to work much harder to achieve the same result. Did you see the allergic reaction to the vaccine since yesterdays inoculations in the UK?

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 9:14am

    #66
    richcabot

    richcabot

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Apr 05 2011

    Posts: 398

    5

    richcabot said:

    Here are the links from the video:

    Ivermectin Meta Data

    ivmmeta.com/

    Meta Review of Ivermectin (Pre-Print) – This is MEGA IMPORTANT!

    osf.io/wx3zn/

    Ivermectin in Mexico

    sie7edechiapas.com/post/repartir%C3%A1n-10-mil-kits-con-ivermectina-para-combatir-covid-19-en-tuxtla

    Ivermectin in Romania

    smartradio.ro/covid-19-ivermectina-medicamentul-cu-eficienta-de-pana-la-90-ignorat-de-autoritatile-din-domeniul-medical/

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 9:17am

    Kodakcollector

    Kodakcollector

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 09 2020

    Posts: 4

    4

    Kodakcollector said:

    Follow the money, Remdesivir, costs like $2500 for 10 day treatment, Hydroxychloroquine about $15 for 6 months. Zinc in multivitamins $10...

    One shown to be effective, been around since forever, HCQ has had a positive effect in Africa where taken to prevent malaria. Other one does not seem to work much at all, may reduce hospital stay by a few days. Both Ivermectim and hydroxychloroquine are banned in Oregon. How does that happen? I was able to get HCQ to relieve arthritis pain, worked great, no more.

    Second, I have been tracking deaths in Oregon since March. 98% of the over 1000 individuals have been 65 or over, my guess this true everywhere.

    Interesting way to solve the social security crisis as conspiracy theories go.

    I am not a medical provider, but, I have one.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 9:18am

    Kodakcollector

    Kodakcollector

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 09 2020

    Posts: 4

    1

    Kodakcollector said:

    https://nypost.com/2020/12/09/uk-issues-warning-about-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine/

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 9:26am

    richcabot

    richcabot

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Apr 05 2011

    Posts: 398

    11

    Oregon

    Yes, we're suffering through severe lockdowns but the same government that won't let us work or enjoy others company also won't let us get a highly effective preventative/treatment.  The local news reports the COVID deaths daily to insure sufficient fear.  I suggest you get Ivermectin from Amazon.  Search for "Durvet Duramectin Equine Wormer Paste".  The tubes come with a measuring scale based on weight. I've run the calculations and the scale is correct for human use as well, landing within the range of the EVMS.edu treatment protocol.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 10:03am

    #70
    richcabot

    richcabot

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Apr 05 2011

    Posts: 398

    1

    Spread the word by email

    We need to spread the word in ways that can't be censored.  I emailed a message about this to my extended family.   Unfortunately it sounds like people who use gmail may get censored as well.  Fortunately my email uses an independent server but some family members are on gmail.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 10:25am

    Kodakcollector

    Kodakcollector

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 09 2020

    Posts: 4

    2

    Kodakcollector said:

    His website is gone!

    Regarding vaccine...

    Surprise, Surprise, Anaphylactic shock, WHO would have guessed?

    Putting this into perspective.

    70 million abortions since 1977, because women have the right to choose.

    Yet, I am prohibited from choosing a medication that may save my life and might be forced to take a medication that may kill me. Is no one out there a little bit confused or concerned?

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 10:29am

    #72
    MQ

    MQ

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Oct 13 2011

    Posts: 139

    3

    Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and Africa

    Hydroxychloroquine has been and is still being used to prevent malaria.

    https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs_2017/Hydroxychloroquine_2017.pdf

    Ivermectin is used to control and prevent onchocerciasis (river blindness) and has been donated for that use by Merck & Co., Inc. It has also been used to treat and prevent elephantiasis.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7356448/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7356448/

    Could the use of these two treatments to treat these still widespread illnesses be the reason the Covid19 death rate has been so low in sub-Saharan Africa?

     

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 10:47am

    #73
    SafeinNH1952

    SafeinNH1952

    Status: Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2020

    Posts: 6

    4

    Banned By YouTube -- Ivermectin

    THANK YOU Chris.       Forwarded info to people I know as most are older.    You are going to save lives !!!

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 11:23am

    richcabot

    richcabot

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Apr 05 2011

    Posts: 398

    2

    Post to Vimeo

    Please post this and all future videos to Vimeo.  Post the link here.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 11:46am

    Mary59

    Mary59

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Feb 09 2020

    Posts: 182

    7

    Sheltered Correspondence

    A techi told me this ago a year and I don't know if this is still the case but this is how you can communicate in a "sheltered" manner.

    You create an email account.  You create a password.  You give a group of "pen pals" the password.  Then you write a draft, but dont send it,  the receivers can then open the account and read the draft/s and create a draft to answer you.  So alll you need to do is check the account from time to time to see if there are new drafts.  Never send anything.

    This is not perfect but nothing is ever on servers as nothing is ever sent.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:11pm

    #76
    Jeff

    Jeff

    Status: Member

    Joined: Aug 17 2012

    Posts: 114

    3

    Dr. Kory speaking

    This guy is angry and he has every right to be

    https://youtu.be/Tq8SXOBy-4w

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:15pm

    #77
    mjsully999

    mjsully999

    Status: Member

    Joined: Aug 20 2009

    Posts: 5

    1

    Ivermectin

    Great video Chris.  I have forwarded it to my sister, who is a family medicine Dr in NH.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:24pm

    #78
    Mpup

    Mpup

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Mar 01 2020

    Posts: 313

    1

    You Tube bans all videos claiming voter fraud

    YouTube bans videos claiming 2020 presidential election fraud (nypost.com)

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:29pm

    iTurtle

    iTurtle

    Status: Member

    Joined: May 01 2019

    Posts: 1

    2

    iTurtle said:

    so what about herbs?
    would you please consider researching Artemisia annua (“Sweet Annie”, “wormwood” Qing Hao) & Lomatium dissectum & others u may find?

    this is my friend “Skeeter” Michael Pilarski, Permaculture, PCD, teacher & medicinal herb farmer extraordinaire!

    he attended Unc Bill Mollison’s first PCD course in N America, Vancouver WA in the 1980s & is responsible for bringing  David Holmgren to WA. I met both of these extraordinary people as well. Gave Holmgren an acupuncture treatment in trade for his new book.

    anyway check out Skeeter’s report on Sweet Annie.





    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:30pm

    eek

    eek

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 27 2013

    Posts: 25

    0

    Ivermectin Paste dosages

    Can you point me to dosages?  I've tried to search the site but can't seem to find them.  Especially the paste.

    Thanks for all the information!!

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:49pm

    #81
    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    2

    grover starve those bastards

    If up to me i would boycott all those platforms.  I do not use facebook at all. I do not use twitter either.  I have been using duck duck go for over a year.    Unfortunately I still get yahoo mail. I wish I could unpin from that filth.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:50pm

    #82
    JimboJim

    JimboJim

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Nov 14 2017

    Posts: 86

    1

    Suddenly, Youtube now allows the censored video!?

    I just went to you tube and typed in Peak Prosperity and the "censored" was showing and I was able to view it.  Anyone else able to now see it?  It says 35,227 views and premiered 4 hours ago.  What's going on?

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:51pm

    LBL

    LBL

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Apr 11 2020

    Posts: 440

    4

    LBL said:

    We still need to find out the average cost of treating Covid19 patients in the US.

    I need a #, so I will start out with $100K.

    The average cost of doing what they did in Chiapas, dispensing 1 or even 2 Zinc ionophores, door to door, including Ivermectin - $20 per person ?

    15,700,000 cases so far ... $1.57 Trillion

    if they had promoted the Prophylactic meds & nutrition ... $6.6 Billion

    No need to wait for a "Letter from God" stating the obvious ... in the American "health care" industry, it really is, all about the Benjamins.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:55pm

    Mike from Jersey

    Mike from Jersey

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jan 22 2018

    Posts: 1215

    12

    Replying to Dr. Kory speaking

    I watched the whole video. Sometimes I thought he was angry. Sometimes he seemed like he was on the verge of tears. I can't blame him for either show of emotion.

    In describing his testimony, this is the sum total of everything that the New York Times had to say.

    In a move that led even most members of his own party on the committee to avoid the hearing, Mr. Johnson called witnesses who promoted the use of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. The National Institutes of Health guidelines recommend against using either drug to treat coronavirus patients except in clinical trials.

    Hydroxychloroquine is an antimalarial drug that President Trump has heavily promoted but has shown disappointing results in many clinical trials. Ivermectin is used to treat parasites in humans as well as to prevent heartworms in dogs; research on its effectiveness in treating the coronavirus has been mixed.

    That is it. That is all they said about the testimony. They did not even mention the doctor's name. That was probably to stop people from looking him up and finding out about what was really going on.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 12:58pm

    RandomMike

    RandomMike

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Mar 12 2020

    Posts: 345

    7

    RandomMike said:

    You just follow the animal weight directions on the plastic dispenser tube, for Durvet about 2 or 3 notches for a 150lb person.

    BTW, I think it tastes like Apple Jack liquor, I didn't get any vaseline or anything bad at all. Mikey likes it!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 1:08pm

    #86
    jerryr

    jerryr

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Oct 31 2008

    Posts: 188

    0

    HCQ and IVM ban in Oregon? Are you sure?

    The pharmacy board restrictions on HCQ were lifted on 7/14/20.

    https://www.oregon.gov/pharmacy/Documents/Hydroxycholorquine_TrackedChanges.pdf

    If there are any other bans in Oregon, I couldn't find them.

    Kodakcollector, maybe your doc is misinformed, or trying to avoid taking responsibility for his or her own decisions?

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 1:12pm

    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    1

    Ivermectin dosage chart

    This is as posted before here on PP...

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 1:20pm

    #88
    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    3

    Interesting comment on this video from the ChewTube comments below it

    "Remember, WE are the real honey badger. Not the technocrats, not the virus.

    When the powers that be go to send you to the Gulags, be the honey badger."

    Love this! Chris and Adam - we need 'I am a honey badger' t-shirts to go with the resilience t-shirts! 🙂

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 1:31pm

    summitday113

    summitday113

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 29 2020

    Posts: 47

    12

    summitday113 said:

    I'm a physician who works primarily in a nursing home in Texas. We had done well with avoiding COVID in general. Two very small outbreaks (5-6 patients) that were quickly contained. Only one patient went to hospital and that one recovered.
    UNTIL... two weeks ago. Much larger outbreak on the locked memory unit for dementia patients. First it was a couple patients, then every couple days more and more tested positive until virtually the whole dementia unit was positive. About 10 days in, patients started crashing quickly. As in going from acting normally at breakfast with normal vitals to drop in oxygen and not eating lunch, to severely hypoxic in the ED and getting intubated and then being found to have blood clots and electrolyte derangements...in a matter of a couple of hours. Then, as I follow their course in the ICU they basically languish and don't get better.
    It's only been 4 patients that have gotten this sick, but it makes me sad and angry and frustrated. It happens so fast there isn't time to try any treatment in the nursing home (other than the vitamins we have them on). It's difficult to read the notes from the ICU at the hospital and see how sick they are. I'm understanding much more what physicians who are truly on the front line are going through. It's frustrating and infuriating and heartbreaking all at once.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 1:53pm

    Mark Sircus

    Mark Sircus

    Status: Member

    Joined: Aug 06 2018

    Posts: 9

    2

    Mark Sircus said:

    Both Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectim are banned in Oregon.

    You got to be kidding.....someone should ......... the governor, and tar and feather every member of the medical board in that state......

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 2:23pm

    Chris Martenson

    Chris Martenson

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 07 2007

    Posts: 6430

    6

    Re: Suddenly...

    I just went to you tube and typed in Peak Prosperity and the "censored" was showing and I was able to view it.  Anyone else able to now see it?

    That's not the censored video...that's the video I made about the censored video.  🙂

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 3:05pm

    j7b

    j7b

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 24 2020

    Posts: 25

    6

    j7b said:

    You can do hard drugs in Oregon but not HCQ or Ivermectin?

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 3:05pm

    #93
    Geedard

    Geedard

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Oct 13 2014

    Posts: 96

    5

    YouTube to delete content alleging presidential election fraud from 9 Dec

    It seems YouTube wants to censor everyone now...

    YouTube to delete content alleging election fraud from 9 Dec

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 3:07pm

    Matt Holbert

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Oct 03 2008

    Posts: 125

    1

    Good to hear from you...

    I was in the first PDC taught in Spokane (2012). Skeeter drove from Tonasket every other weekend from January to early April to teach the course. One of the most memorable experiences from the course was going on a walk in an area that I had frequently mountain biked or walked through. Within an hour or so, Skeeter identified over 100 plants. It completely changed my life in that I can no longer walk or cycle past a plant without knowing what it is...

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 3:13pm

    Nate

    Nate

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: May 05 2009

    Posts: 579

    10

    but.....

    Both Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectim are banned in Oregon.

    Fortunately heroin, methamphetamine, and cocaine are legal.  Good solid logic there.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 3:31pm

    Clem

    Clem

    Status: Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2019

    Posts: 9

    5

    DuckDuck Go => Protonmail

    Try Proton mail - free or paid for more robust

    https://protonmail.com/

    ProtonMail is an end-to-end encrypted email service founded in 2013 in Geneva, Switzerland by scientists who met at the CERN research facility. ProtonMail uses client-side encryption to protect email content and user data before they are sent to ProtonMail servers, unlike other common email providers such as Gmail and Outlook.com

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 3:46pm

    #97

    sofistek

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Oct 02 2008

    Posts: 793

    5

    Unbelievable and worrying

    This is deeply disturbing. I don't see the story of the the hearings on MSM but found a couple of articles here and here. The first generally takes an establishment line ("even as medical experts derided the testimony"). The second is not judgemental and even mentions Dr Kory (by the way, it is Dr Kory, not Dr Pierre) having social media post removed - just like Chris! The Democrats boycotted the hearing but still passed judgment on an unheard testimony!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 3:52pm

    Quercus bicolor

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Mar 19 2008

    Posts: 1013

    8

    NYT reporting on ivermectin

    research on its effectiveness in treating the coronavirus has been mixed.

    They are accurate.  A few studies show it helps modestly and the rest are evenly divided between studies that show it helps a lot and those that show it has almost perfect performance.

    Now that is "mixed".

    Good job, NYT!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 4:19pm

    CKS

    CKS

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 07 2020

    Posts: 8

    0

    CKS said:

    UN ? agenda 21

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 4:35pm

    CKS

    CKS

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 07 2020

    Posts: 8

    0

    CKS said:

    It was censored because Dr Ashish Jha started a media campaign against it before the hearing even started sighting Hydroxychloroquine to hide benefits of  Ivermectin which he never addressed. I also include his testimony as the senate hearing . He just parrots the NIH.      

     

    https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Testimony-Jha-2020-11-19.pdf

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 4:42pm

    CKS

    CKS

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 07 2020

    Posts: 8

    1

    CKS said:

    The senate hearing . 

    https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/hearings/early-outpatient-treatment-an-essential-part-of-a-covid-19-solution

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 5:08pm

    Thors Hammer

    Thors Hammer

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Feb 13 2020

    Posts: 68

    5

    TechnoFascism USA

    Motts

    Your quote from the father of Fascism, Benito Mussolini is indeed a descriptive of American government ever since President Eisenhower warned us about the danger.  The USA has grown ever more to be a model of modern TechnoFaschism as we entered the digital age wherein every citizen/slave is continually wedded to his control device.

    TechnoFascism is no longer about mobilizing masses of people around their most base emotions.  Donald Trump's successful 1986 Presidential campaign was perhaps the last such example of the crude tactics of pre-technology mass movements as used by the pre-WWII Fascists.   His "defeat" in 2020  is an example of the New Fascism at work. Why do you need a few hundred thousand people massed in front of the Washington Memorial when you can reach every snowflake cowering in his basement with your fine tuned psychological reality fabrications?  Skyscrapers can be made to fall out of the sky and collapse within the perimeter of their own foundations.  Untrained pilots can fly complex maneuvers to impact the Pentagon at the precise location where the records of a newly disclosed 13 trillion dollar cost overrun are stored. A senile lifelong grifter can win the Presidency by never leaving his basement to campaign, and  vote counts can miraculously reverse course in the middle of the night at odds calculated to be a quadrillion to one. One hundred thousand mail-in ballots can be sent out and 125,000 return signed by the dead or newborn babies.

    It is alternative realities like these that have rendered elections completely unnecessary.  The Overlords have made good use of elections in creating conformity or acceptance of the Empire while ensuring that the .001% reap all the benefits, but holding elaborate circuses to create a sense of solidarity among the commoners is no longer necessary now that the means of Control have been so refined.  Facebook has almost all the necessary information about everybody and sends it directly to the giant Utah universal data bank. Their censorship algorithms are highly developed, and the populace is well trained to not miss dissenting information as it evaporates before their eyes.  All that is necessary to close the loop is the bio-metric information to complete each individual profile, and that is being collected as part of the PCR  Corvid19 testing program.  When Bill Gates rolls out his RNA genetic control program that will allow him  to switch fertility on or off at command the entire matrix will be complete.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 5:18pm

    LBL

    LBL

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Apr 11 2020

    Posts: 440

    1

    LBL said:

    For all practical purposes, there is no medical board in Oregon.

    The health care in Oregon is that bad.  It is prisoner quality.  Maybe even Prisoner of War quality.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 5:48pm

    adapt-and-overcome

    adapt-and-overcome

    Status: Member

    Joined: Apr 12 2020

    Posts: 14

    1

    DWSNBN2 ---> Macgyver Pectin

    To avoid the algos [temporarily], call the DWSNBN2 "Macgyver Pectin" [you try and come up a word that rhymes with DWSNBN2!] after Macgyver's use of pectin to help his home canning.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 5:55pm

    adapt-and-overcome

    adapt-and-overcome

    Status: Member

    Joined: Apr 12 2020

    Posts: 14

    2

    adapt-and-overcome said:

    Drafts are saved data, regardless of whether they get sent.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 7:07pm

    eek

    eek

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 27 2013

    Posts: 25

    1

    eek said:

    Thank you Jan.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 7:30pm

    Island girl

    Island girl

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Nov 27 2017

    Posts: 264

    6

    Doctors responsible for the MATH+ protocol also censored on Ivermectin

    The doctors responsible for the M.A.T.H. + protocol were also censored for discussing Ivermectin. Some spoke before a senate committee this week.  A short clip of Dr. Pierre Kory is embedded on the web page linked below.

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/

    Video from senate testimony o Invective (show on CSPAN) was censored on social media.

    Here is their current I-M.A.S.K + protocol on prophylaxis and early treatment

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-I-MASK-Protocol-v6-2020-12-09-ENGLISH.pdf

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 8:36pm

    jerryr

    jerryr

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Oct 31 2008

    Posts: 188

    4

    Oregon! Why is everybody picking on the Great State of Oregon???

    HCQ and IVM are perfectly legal. You can get IVM even if you're just a horse! HCQ has been legal for humans since July. According to America's Frontline Doctors, Oregon is one of 15 states that has normalized access to HCQ, which is still difficult or impossible to get in 35 states with 224 million residents.

    Yes, we decriminalized heroin and cocaine. To be more precise: possession of personal use amounts is a class-E violation, punishable by being sent for treatment and recovery. Now the police can focus their efforts on putting the manufacturers, importers and pushers in jail where they belong.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 9:05pm

    Downunder Bound

    Downunder Bound

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 13 2020

    Posts: 2

    0

    Steroids are a powerful Covid-19 treatment.

    Has anyone heard anything about steroids as a possible treatment? These 3 Docs are pushing it strongly while poo pooing antivirals.

    Antiviral drugs don’t help cytokine storms, but we are learning how some other drugs can

    We do have some ways to attack the virus itself. Antiviral approaches are likely to be most beneficial early in the disease course when symptoms are first present and the virus is still infectious. But even then they haven’t by any means been a cure-all.

    At present, remdesivir, a nucleotide analog that has received emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration, has been demonstrated to somewhat shorten hospital stays but has not been shown to improve survival. Other treatments hyped by the current administration, including hydroxychloroquine, have not proven to be effective.

    Because none of the antiviral approaches have thus far been proven to increase survival rates or prevent the development of ARDS or multi-organ dysfunction syndrome, we need treatments for patients fighting CCS in order to save more lives.

    Read the full article here:

    https://www.vox.com/21604005/covid-19-treatment-dexamethasone-inflammation-cytokine-storm

    I'm not in a position to know one way or another so I'm throwing this out for more knowledgeable input. Thanks.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 9:29pm

    Island girl

    Island girl

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Nov 27 2017

    Posts: 264

    4

    Ivermectin - Dr. Hector Carvallo of Argentina

    Dr. Kory mentions the work of Dr. Hector Carvallo in his testimony.

    Here is a Q&A with Dr. Carvallo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB6Bvi_g-w8&feature=emb_logo

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 9:48pm

    pierrethelastone

    pierrethelastone

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 10 2020

    Posts: 1

    2

    alternatives to youtube

    brandnewtube, where  Vernon Coleman , an old man in a chair, has his channel. Also load.to can enable you to download and save videos from various sources. I note that just today youtube insisted on cookies with no option to continue without signing up to satan.  Dr Kay on Rick Adams show with RBN reckons oil of wild oregano is another COVID buster (20 drops once only can do it even if crook as a dog)

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 9:52pm

    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    1

    Downunder - regarding steroids

    Steroids are not revolutionary..  Maybe 60-70 years ago.   But they have been used in viral treatment for nearly as long.  This has been part of all Covid protocols including western medicine - since about  June.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 10:03pm

    3rdEyeOpen

    3rdEyeOpen

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 10 2020

    Posts: 2

    3

    Please continue, Chris

    I have followed you since you began and imho, you have been the only sane voice in the room, so to speak.

    We need and very much appreciate all of your hard work to bring this clarity to us. I personally respect your desire to speak truth on this subject and am grateful for your common sense approach to this issue.  Please know that you are deeply appreciated by a great many of us out here.

    I firmly believe it's all about the money.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 10:35pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Prejudging

    When I first heard that ivermectin was a useful treatment for covid I thought it was too outlandish to even consider. How could an anti-parasitic that treats endo and ecto parasites in all kinds of animals work on viruses, a whole different phenomenon, in terms of infection.

    That is likely how many virologists think, as well. It seems unlikely and if they are under pressure to do research and development in a tight window, you can see how their mental shorthand works.

    That kind of quick categorization, plus a big pharma way of thinking, explains Fauci and his like minded fellow scientists.

    I didn't watch the video, but from the comment section I gleaned that you were saying some nasty things about Fauci. (forgive me if I'm wrong)

    As the guy has been getting death threats, that puts you, Chris, in the category of potentially inciting violence. It's the timing, so close to the inauguration, that is the main problem. You were just speaking your mind, but it could be taken as a call to arms by some nervous Youtube censor.

    There are so many cranks out there pushing their theories about cures, preventions. Ivermectin is getting lumped together with quack cures.

    It's not part of a vast premeditated plan. Twitter and youtube are likely trying to clean up a real mess.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 10:42pm

    David Allan

    David Allan

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Nov 15 2009

    Posts: 100

    5

    On reflection

    On reflection I would like to withdraw my comment likening the supression of effective Covid treatments to 9/11.  This now appears to be a long term idealogical campaign parallelling the holocaust

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Dec 09, 2020 - 10:57pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    2

    Youtube deleting election fraud videos

    If the Federal supreme court, as of today, and swing state supreme courts can 'delete' or throw out nonsense claims, then I guess Youtube should be able to do it too.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 12:25am

    davefairtex

    davefairtex

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 03 2008

    Posts: 2780

    20

    its raining

    AP-

    Really swell of you to weigh in here with the MSM position, as usual.

    When I first heard that ivermectin was a useful treatment for covid I thought it was too outlandish to even consider. How could an anti-parasitic that treats endo and ecto parasites in all kinds of animals work on viruses, a whole different phenomenon, in terms of infection.

    That kind of quick categorization, plus a big pharma way of thinking, explains Fauci and his like minded fellow scientists.

    Yes.  An honest mistake.  For the past 10 months, Fauci and his team have read - and then discarded out of hand - all the studies from around the world that show massive success in treatments of all sorts.

    In your defense of this fine public servant and his entire team, you are essentially claiming he's just utterly incompetent, rather than evil.

    Chris - one guy in a room - has been able to uncover treatments just by reading studies that Fauci and his entire $47 billion team have just failed to comprehend.

    For 10 long months.  While Americans are dying.

    Fauci is - you allege - so "incompetent" he can't even make a national recommendation about vitamin D, even though he takes it himself!

    Is he taking his vitamin D by accident?  Did he just pick a random bottle off the drugstore shelf: "eenie, meenie, miney, moe!" - look, vitamin D!  I think I'll start taking this one!

    This seems - unlikely.

    Even the clueless UK is shipping vitamin D to all their (almost certainly deficient) elderly citizens.  But Fauci didn't notice that either.  He is just that incompetent.

    There's a phrase that applies here: "Don't piss down my back, and then tell me its raining."

    Fauci has been pissing down the backs of America for 10 months.  He spent $47 billion, allegedly discovered no treatments, while taking vitamin D himself.

    And now, you are telling me, "it is just raining."

    To be clear, I absolutely do not want him killed.  I want him hale and hearty so he can defend himself properly for his trial.  Perhaps when the special prosecutor reviews all his communications, and that of his entire team, we will find out they were just that stupid.  And maybe he really did just pick vitamin-D off the shelf at random.  By all means, let's collect the evidence, and see where it leads.  That's the American Way.

    But we do need to have a trial - to make sure this never happens again.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 1:07am

    Mots

    Mots

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Jun 18 2012

    Posts: 516

    6

    Youtube deleting election fraud videos

    AgitatingProp
    The courts that you refer to are in the business of weighing evidence carefully, following rules agreed to over many years and carefully making judgement after allowing all sides ample opportunity to argue their case. Furthermore they have an obligation to impose their will and the law only when really required.

    They are objective judgement machines that moreover, lack an owner.

    Your comparison of a court with youtube is ridiculous.
    Your supportive comment for private company censorship really doesn't make sense, man.

    Energy is everything, politics is nothing. Let's talk about energy................

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 1:54am

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    2

    agitating prop said:

    Not sure what you mean, Motts.  My point was, in case I wasn't clear, why would anybody expect YouTube to provide a platform for "stolen election" videos when the courts have thrown out all legal challenges, for lack of evidence?

    People can interpret what these companies do any number of ways. I choose to look at it from a corporate perspective.  If they choose to leave their platforms wide open to what is now essentially propaganda it could rebound against them in any number of ways. So they are being careful, playing it safe and trying to tamp down hostilities.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 2:08am

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    1

    agitating prop said:

    My point was, I don't think people like Fauci, even bother reading or studying outside the box.  They have institutional blinders on.  They are also submerged in and subsumed by a world that big pharma controls.  A sad little functionary?  Probably.  A willfully ignorant person?  Maybe.  Self serving? Not clearly, and evil?  Probably not.

    Dave, if you feel like insulting me please do it by PM.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 2:42am

    planfortomorrow

    planfortomorrow

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 28 2017

    Posts: 2

    5

    planfortomorrow said:

    Chris, I like to know that I associate with wonderful people and if you hadn't started all of this with Adam I wouldn't feel as good as I do today. Your work with Covid has been stunning! You have saved thousands of lives and kept probably 100 thousand or more from having destroyed their immune systems where if they did live they wouldn't live a life where their organs were compromised leaving them and their quality of life in tatters. Simple vitamin's has been the cure for this. How remarkable and life saving advice given to us that if taken would have meant so much to prevention of these dastardly conditions that gave us a life worth living.

    You did this, and you aren't even a practicing physician. You are blessed so much for giving so much that resulted in the "do no harm" to those only wanting the truth.

    You have done more in these 9 months that otherwise could never have done in a lifetime if you didn't make any decisions at all.

    I am proud to call myself a member of your tribe, our tribe.

    This is meant to be a suck up comment but every word is the truth. Frankly, I love all of you for your efforts.

    Be well, take pride in what you have done. Further, they may have started censoring your work but believe this will have consequence because their are Good Folks out there that want change from the current Media BS and they will land firmly in the garbage bin forever as the Folks out there will want truthful and professional investigated news reporting services, it will be swift too once something happens to show them, the Media are bought and paid for and need to go away.

    Merry Christmas Chris and Adam for your Seminole work.

    You all deserve to be honored for your work here and will be over the test of time.

    We all honor your work and have grown up in this new paradigm together and I was truly set ablaze the day I found Chris M. 12 years ago.

    God bless all of you.

    Peace

    BOB

    PS: Imagine, good or bad how much we/I have learned here makes me extremely happy. Knowledge is King and still when I walk out of the house I imagine still how much more I appreciate the world I live in today. I may differ somewhat because of time, at this stage in my life I am engaged and sure of the fact I get only so much time in this world and my first priority is to love my Lady and family to its fullest. Then I want to create a resilient but doable life where I can teach how to feed all of us and spend funds wisely so that we have back up plans to the back up plan and this is all in place and a pantry that will see us through any tough times and have all the necessary tools to live life comfortably. Then I will apply myself to many non violent causes. If I died today then this legacy will be passed along and the same happiness will be pulled forward to the next generation and I am positive that all that has been done will be duplicated by anyone who just watches what we have started and show that this is a a plan that works and makes perfect sense. We are the initial leaders and already just in my family they are intrigued and talking of doing something similar. I am setting the table and are sure some will do as I have done, so I will not fail them. I won't because it's the right thing to do. Chris, my God, I have a very good work ethic, I certainly work hard and honestly and in large part you have given me more than I ever imagined. So again, you too have achieved so much if you effected just one person. Well, you have me hook, line and sicker.

    Look, I have seen you exasperated before and none more than you are now. F it! You have Evie and she is 100% with you, 100% of the time if this makes any sense! LOL...Give her everything and much will be returned. Love is the GREATEST GIFT so gift often and completely. I'll bet if you do you won't need anything more. You've done so much Scout so be proud of who you are.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 2:55am

    Beckett Bennett

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 114

    3

    Chris your in good company, 8,000 channels have been removed from screwtube this last quarter

    For more info.
    https://www.brighteon.com/639185c4-15c0-4d8e-b0d3-e51423b2fc78
    AKGrannyWGrit

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 3:05am

    davefairtex

    davefairtex

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 03 2008

    Posts: 2780

    17

    its about vitamin D

    AP-

    The question at hand is, are Fauci and his entire team utterly incompetent?  Or are they evil?  Those are the two choices before us.

    Since you're playing the part of Fauci Defense Attorney, it seems that you have selected "utterly incompetent" as his defense.

    A sad little functionary? Probably. A willfully ignorant person? Maybe. Self serving? Not clearly, and evil? Probably not.

    But in your defense of Fauci, you didn't address the vitamin D issue at all.  Why is he taking it?  Did he just pick it at random from the shelf?  Why did he mention it during that interview - so soon after a bunch of studies came back with vitamin D as being a life-saving supplement for COVID-19?

    To me this shows he has guilty knowledge of these studies.  He has personally acted on them, to his own benefit.  But he didn't issue an official recommendation to the nation, which was his responsibility given his position of leadership in government.

    Contrast with the UK, where the person in his same position chose to ship vitamin D to every elderly person in the country.

    Fauci knew.  And he chose not to tell us.  Vitamin D is the smoking gun.

    We need to appoint a special prosecutor.  What did he know, and when did he know it?  Hundreds of thousands of Americans are dead.  We still have no treatments after 10 long months, in spite of a large number of studies - from other countries - that clearly show efficacy for many different compounds.

    Chris - in a room by himself - figured this out.  You are an intelligent person.  Perhaps if you read the studies too, as I have, you might feel a lot more outrage for the hundreds of thousands of dead Americans, and you'd be less worried about some perceived online insult.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 4:13am

    VeganDB12

    VeganDB12

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Jul 18 2008

    Posts: 278

    12

    censorship

    In addition to Chris' videos, I have seen videos by DrBeen and Medcram pulled for mentioning antibiotic therapies like IVM and HCQ.  These are established medical education sites run by physicians with academic appointments who are true experts as well. Given the amount of money at stake with this vaccination program I have had to accept with much grief that  wealthy or powerful people(one and the same these days) have influenced these platforms to eliminate data on these drugs.

    NB: tried paste, headache and myalgias/arthralgias cleared up in a day, after 7 months of ongoing pain; let's see how it goes from here :).  I think viral persistance is an issue with long haul. Much gratitude Chris.  Words cannot express.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 5:11am

    tbp

    tbp

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Apr 12 2020

    Posts: 1113

    1

    Secure comms; Artemisinin mechanism of action; Dexamethasone lies; Fauci's nature

    @Mary59
    A techi told me this ago a year and I don't know if this is still the case but this is how you can communicate in a "sheltered" manner.

    You create an email account. You create a password. You give a group of "pen pals" the password. Then you write a draft, but dont send it, the receivers can then open the account and read the draft/s and create a draft to answer you. So alll you need to do is check the account from time to time to see if there are new drafts. Never send anything.

    This is not perfect but nothing is ever on servers as nothing is ever sent.

    If you're gonna do that it would make far more sense to take the extra step of encrypting your communication, either with PGP (highest security), ProtonMail (I think it uses auto-PGP), or via a secure chat (even Whatsapp is secure so long as you have cloud backups disabled).

    @iTurtle
    so what about herbs?
    would you please consider researching Artemisia annua (“Sweet Annie”, “wormwood” Qing Hao) & Lomatium dissectum & others u may find?

    I've done some research on this and I believe the mechanism of action is actually the same as for chlorine dioxide (which is in the top 3 of Covid cures alongside ivermectin and vitamin D, however studies are lacking because of threats). Artemisinins are all pro-drugs for dihydroartemisinin, which then is a pro-drug for another simple radical oxygen species (ROS).

    As Wikipedia explains: "The proposed mechanism of action of artemisinin involves cleavage of endoperoxide bridges by iron, producing free radicals (hypervalent iron-oxo species, epoxides, aldehydes, and dicarbonyl compounds) which damage biological macromolecules causing oxidative stress in the cells of the parasite".

    See those two oxygens that look a bit like glasses/eyes? That's the peroxide bridge that is cleaved off and has the pharmacological effects as a radical oxidant that kills pathogens by stealing electrons from their membranes before becoming usable oxygen for host tissues. The rest of the molecule seems to do nothing.

    So, if artemisia/artemisinins work, and they do, it's the same reason why chlorine dioxide works. Try launching a clinical trial though and see what happens to you!

    @Downunder Bound
    Has anyone heard anything about steroids as a possible treatment? These 3 Docs are pushing it strongly while poo pooing antivirals.
    Antiviral drugs don’t help cytokine storms, but we are learning how some other drugs can
    [...]
    I'm not in a position to know one way or another so I'm throwing this out for more knowledgeable input. Thanks.

    They're clowns pushing an already standard steroid anti-inflammatory that was already established several months ago in hospitals everywhere. They bash HCQ and Trump, and place it on the same level as remdesivir. Absolutely nothing new or useful, they're probably just trying to boost their careers... what you would expect to see on "Vox". Shame on them, it's the opposite of what we need. We need courageous and informed doctors, not careerist brown-nosers.

    @agitating prop
    As the guy has been getting death threats, that puts you, Chris, in the category of potentially inciting violence. It's the timing, so close to the inauguration, that is the main problem. You were just speaking your mind, but it could be taken as a call to arms by some nervous Youtube censor.

    There are so many cranks out there pushing their theories about cures, preventions. Ivermectin is getting lumped together with quack cures.

    It's not part of a vast premeditated plan. Twitter and youtube are likely trying to clean up a real mess.

    You're buying their pathetic lies like a sheep. What an absolutely ridiculous slave mindset you're in.

    @davefairtex
    Fauci has been pissing down the backs of America for 10 months.

    Or 25+ years, if Dr. Judy Mikovits is to be believed (and I do because she has extreme negative incentive to lie).

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 7:46am

    pat the rat

    pat the rat

    Status: Member

    Joined: Nov 01 2011

    Posts: 168

    0

    when all else fails

    When all else fails, read the directions. When else fails they  will get around to Ivermetin.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 9:14am

    Pipyman

    Pipyman

    Status: Member

    Joined: Apr 24 2011

    Posts: 225

    1

    Ghosting comments

    Have you ever wondered why nobody responded to your YouTube comment? Sign out of your account, check your comment signed out and be amazed.

     

    Welcome to comment ghosting.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 10:40am

    JWhite

    JWhite

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Jul 12 2016

    Posts: 247

    7

    Yes but, the point is…

    …. what are you going to do about it?  For months now, Youtube has been playing games with you, but you continue to go along with it, even trying to ensure that everyone watches your videos on Youtube, by posting them there first and not on your website for some time afterwards.  I don’t watch the videos on Youtube, and wait for them to appear on the PP website.  But how do you think this makes your followers feel?  Many have been reading your words for years.  Are we all chopped liver over here?  🙂

    But seriously, I suggest it’s time to stand up and fight back.  You and all the other intelligent, independent thinkers on Youtube should collaborate and move your videos etc. to a censorship-free platform.  Alternatively, you could consider posting a 30 second ‘teaser’ on Youtube for every new video, which directs the viewer to your website to watch the latest on ‘Topic X’.  Jordan Peterson, who has millions of followers and was apparently making $30,000 per month on Patreon, suddenly announced he was leaving them in protest after they de-platformed someone who Says The Wrong Things.  He then set up the free speech platform thinkspot.com.  Many others have been de-platformed by the big Tech companies for the same reason in recent years.  Perhaps this is a good time to reach out to other like-minded people who have these issues with Big Tech censorship, to form a community, and encourage the use of alternatives.

    In any case, all of us need to push back and stop supporting this behaviour from these big monopolies.

    One more thought – in addition to your current membership structure, you could consider allowing people to donate a payment per video (the public ones), of any amount, on an optional basis.  This would allow those who don’t have a regular membership to show their appreciation from time to time, or for the videos/topics they are specifically interested in.

    Thanks for all the wonderful analysis provided by Adam and yourself.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 1:31pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Angela Johnson

    Some of the elites are true eugenecists, like Bill Gates, whose father was head of Planned Parenthood. Bill had tetanus vaccines contaminated with hcg which vaccinated these young women against pregnancy. It was given to women of child-bearing age in Africa, and sterilized many 10s of thousands, perhaps 100s of thousands. It is hard to wrap your head around evil when you are a normie.

    Where is the evidence for purposeful contamination of the tetanus vaccine?

    Where is the evidence that Bill Gates is a eugenecist? His father's association with Planned Parenthood proves nothing, as far as I can see. And Planned Parenthood does not promote culling populations based on race or IQ or for any reason whatsoever.

    When you make baseless claims you end up promoting hostility, even though your intentions may be positive.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 1:42pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Tbp

    You're buying their pathetic lies like a sheep. What an absolutely ridiculous slave mindset you're in. --Tbp

    No, I am trying to understand the situation from their perspective. And comments like yours, which are hostile and irrational, could be the reason Chris was flagged in the first place. It may not be so much what he is saying but the comments to his videos that are the problem.

    I suggest, Tbp, that you try to maintain some kind of calm before you respond. If you can do that you are unlikely to respond in such an insulting manner.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 1:53pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    1

    Big Pharma

    "Given the amount of money at stake with this vaccination program I have had to accept with much grief that wealthy or powerful people(one and the same these days) have influenced these platforms to eliminate data on these drugs."

    Quite possibly. As far as medcram goes, it might be funded by a pharmaceutical company, or conglomeration as well. The thing is, so many little offshoots of big pharma, throughout society are veiled, so you figure they aren't compromised and it turns out they are just another head of the hydra-headed being that causes so much sickness and suffering. But that's the corporate mindset. It's all about shareholder profits....health be damned.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 2:17pm

    Mots

    Mots

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Jun 18 2012

    Posts: 516

    13

    "Where is the evidence for purposeful contamination of the tetanus vaccine?!!!!!!!!!!"

    Agitating Prop

    Your constant pro-elite pro-MSM advocacy is getting real tedious and is beginning to really pollute these conversations with nonsense.  Your question is like asking to prove if sugar found in a gas tank was purposely put there or accidentally got there (it jumped in by itself and is not any evidence of foul play by the only people with access to it, so they are off the hook and cannot be blamed).

    In this particular case it is even more nefarious because WHO researchers had conjugated tetanus toxoid (TT) with human chorionic gonadotropin and added such accomplishments to their resumes for all the world to adore their wonderful smartness.
    Lol, you are saying "prove it that it didnt happen by accident."  Oh wait maybe it came from bat soup.  Just the right temperature, a little (pregnant) female urine and a tetanus bacteria made sweet, sweet covalent love in that soup to make the perfect conjugate, which then jumped into a sterile vial, which was then assayed by scientists in different countries who confirmed the hcg epitope.

    What is really going on with you, anyway?  Is there some more basic message you wish to make? "Shut up and listen to the NY Times"?  Or, rich people are superior and know better?  I dont get it.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 2:34pm

    gkcjrrt

    gkcjrrt

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 20 2016

    Posts: 65

    5

    Planned Parenthood has indeed targeted the black population

    Planned Parenthood is responsible for much evil.

    You really don't have to dig very deep to uncover the history of PP.  An article this year from a left of center newspaper.  PP saying today that they disavow all this is like Bill Clinton saying he respects women.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/23/racism-eugenics-margaret-sanger-deserves-no-honors-column/5480192002/

    "The vast majority of the abortion vendors have set up shop in minority neighborhoods, which can be seen in the scarce statistics available at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Though they are only 13% of the female population, African Americans made up 38% of all abortions tracked in 2016

    In the 1970s, when the Supreme Court's Roe V. Wade decision legalized abortion, polling showed that Blacks were "significantly less likely to favor abortion" than whites. Yet in New York City, more black babies are aborted than born alive each year. And the abortion industry think tank, the Guttmacher Institute, notes that “the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women.”

    It would seem that Sanger’s vision of ending Black lives has come to pass, though to be accurate she also endorsed ending Chinese preborn life as well."

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 2:34pm

    Mots

    Mots

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Jun 18 2012

    Posts: 516

    9

    "No, I am trying to understand the situation from their perspective.!!!!!!!!!"

    Agitating Prop
    Your excuse for the elite "No, I am trying to understand the situation from their perspective." is complete bullshit.
    Many people in this forum, myself included, have worked for large pharmaceutical companies, many of us have been privy to decision making.   What part of "short term profit above all else," do you fail to grasp?
    These companies are not run by Jesus Christ.  Moreover, they change the laws at their whim, and they control/run the FDA, CDC, NIH for their profit.  Anyone who does not play does not get paid or get a position of influence.  Many people here understand their perspective.  Why dont you listen to some of the good people here who are freely giving you their precious attention and benefit from their experience?

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 2:36pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Motts

    Your jumping up and down, in text and all of your assumptions about who I am, what I read, etc...don't constitute evidence either. Granted, sometimes hard evidence is hard to procure through searches on the internet. In that case you can qualify your statements about the tetanus vaccine, for example, with an "imho" If you can produce evidence that Who did what you claim, please produce the papers. That would establish it happened. What can't be established is the intent.

    I am attempting to remain calm in the middle of a storm and determine what is actually going on, through being convinced, rather than through persuasion that relies on hellfire and brimstone, be it secular or otherwise.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 2:47pm

    Blaggers

    Blaggers

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Oct 19 2013

    Posts: 406

    6

    It's Unbelievable

    I'm listening to reports of Covid patients stuck in ambulances that are idling outside hospitals in LA because there is no room inside. Meanwhile....FedEx are just about to deliver me 5 tubes of Ivermectin that I bought from a nearby equine store for $65 CAD.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 2:47pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Motts

    I hate big Pharma, Motts. But I need proof that there was intentional eugenics involved in their decision making.

    When I mentioned perspectives I was talking about youtube and censorship. They may or may not have ties to big pharma, but if I was them, in an atmosphere as poisoned as the political atmosphere is right now, in the States, I would censor, at least temporarily, until things calmed down a bit.

    It serves nobody, particularly those who want open platforms, for commenters to lose their minds in the comment section, demonize individuals who are part of systemic abuse, but not clearly culpable on an individual basis.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 2:57pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Planned Parenthood

    Planned Parenthood is not a eugenics program. It may not jive with your religious beliefs, that is all. The fact they have clinics in poor neighbourhoods, highlights that they probably figure that is where they are most needed.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 3:20pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    two choices?

    AP-

    AP-

    The question at hand is, are Fauci and his entire team utterly incompetent? Or are they evil? Those are the two choices before us. Dave Fairtax

    There are more than two choices. The fellow who wrote the Fourth Turning, mentioned how underfunded government programmes for the public, (like the CDC) have become.

    They have formed partnerships with some of the richest corporations in America, and those just happen to be big pharma companies. So they naturally, have become co-opted. It's like regulatory capture, in a way.

    But in this case, it looks like the CDC turned to big pharma because they didn't have the funds to carry out what they were tasked to do, by govt.

    That together with Fauci being a mainstream academic and other psychological obstacles resistent to ideas that don't superficially conform to his way of thinking....

    Not evil, not necessarily incompetent. Biased and compromised, for sure.

     

     

    .

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 3:32pm

    planfortomorrow

    planfortomorrow

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 28 2017

    Posts: 2

    2

    planfortomorrow said:

    Fauci is guilty of bringing the virus into the world, no doubts about this. His defense will be "but I never expected the virus to leave the lab so are not guilty". " My intention was pure science but something went horribly wrong". Fauci should be associated with this though so call this Virus the China/Fauci virus and give him full credit.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 3:43pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Fauci responsible for virus

    That's a really irresponsible claim. How do  people ratchet up from the assumption that Fauci has handled the treatment of the virus really poorly to "he unleashed the virus on us."

    Comments like this should be deleted.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 4:05pm

    LBL

    LBL

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Apr 11 2020

    Posts: 440

    0

    LBL said:

    When I was in College, if a professor wanted to say "Fuck" they wrote it "Phuque".

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 4:14pm

    tbp

    tbp

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Apr 12 2020

    Posts: 1113

    3

    unagitated blunted mind

    agitating prop, I'm talking about facts and analysis, if you feel insulted it's on you, what you're reading is simply our honest perception of you (feel free to "insult" me back if you honestly believe I'm the one who is brainwashed and should be censored). You said "I would censor", which is... shocking beyond words... Why are you here???? CNN and WaPo have you covered, why are you wasting your time with us crazy conspiracy theorists?

    Extremely good analysis:





    ^agitating prop, please watch this^

    "...and if you're not speaking out against it, then God bless you for being ignorant."

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 4:22pm

    wotthecurtains

    wotthecurtains

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Feb 27 2020

    Posts: 882

    3

    "Fauci is guilty of bringing the virus into the world,"

    On the one hand, this would be basically impossible to prove but the behavior of health officials with respect to Ivm shows a hostility that is certainly consistent with the "unleashed virus" narrative.

     

    Im on the side of "made in a lab" but Ive avoided speculating on purposeful release to guard own sanity

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 4:25pm

    drbrucedale

    drbrucedale

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Sep 06 2009

    Posts: 162

    16

    Open Letter to Dr. Fauci--Let the Wrongful Death Suits Begin

    I am not the author of this very long open letter to Dr. Fauci from three doctors, but I think it is worth reading all the way through. If I were a lawyer, I would be planning a class action suit against Fauci and many other "public servants". For starters, I would be asking them the questions that are summarized here.

    In my opinion, if you have the patience to read the letter and really think about the questions asked, I don't think you can come away with any other conclusion but that Fauci and many others in our political/medical establishment are criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

    I am not a lawyer, but I am not willing to give Fauci et al the easy "out" of being incompetent and uninformed. I think that is naive--at the very least. I think the evidence shows clearly that they are corrupt.

    Here is the letter from the three doctors. Let the wrongful death suits begin.

    OPEN LETTER TO FAUCI

    By George C. Fareed, MD Brawley, California Michael M. Jacobs, MD, MPH Pensacola, Florida Donald C. Pompan, MD Salinas, California

    August 12, 2020

    Anthony Fauci, MD
    National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
    Washington, D.C.

    Dear Dr. Fauci:

    You were placed into the most high-profile role regarding America’s response to the Coronavirus pandemic. Americans have relied on your medical expertise concerning the wearing of masks, resuming employment, returning to school, and of course medical treatment.

     

    You are largely unchallenged in terms of your medical opinions. You are the de facto “COVID-19 Czar”. This is unusual in the medical profession in which doctors’ opinions are challenged by other physicians in the form of exchanges between doctors at hospitals, medical conferences, as well as debate in medical journals. You render your opinions unchallenged, without formal public opposition from physicians who passionately disagree with you. It is incontestable that the public is best served when opinions and policy are based on the prevailing evidence and science, and able to withstand the scrutiny of medical professionals.

    As experience accrued in treating COVID-19 infections, physicians worldwide discovered that high-risk patients can be treated successfully as an outpatient, within the first 5 to 7 days of the onset of symptoms, with a “cocktail” consisting of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin (or doxycycline). Multiple scholarly contributions to the literature detail the efficacy of the hydroxychloroquine-based combination treatment.

    Dr. Harvey Risch, the renowned Yale epidemiologist, published an article in May 2020 in the American Journal of Epidemiology titled “Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk COVID-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to Pandemic Crisis”. He further published an article in Newsweek in July 2020 for the general public expressing the same conclusions and opinions. Dr. Risch is an expert at evaluating research data and study designs, publishing over 300 articles. Dr Risch’s assessment is that there is unequivocal evidence for the early and safe use of the “HCQ cocktail.” If there are Q-T interval concerns, doxycycline can be substituted for azithromycin as it has activity against RNA viruses without any cardiac effects.

    Yet, you continue to reject the use of hydroxychloroquine, except in a hospital setting in the form of clinical trials, repeatedly emphasizing the lack of evidence supporting its use. Hydroxychloroquine, despite 65 years of use for malaria, and over 40 years for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, with a well-established safety profile, has been deemed by you and the FDA as unsafe for use in the treatment of symptomatic COVID-19 infections. Your opinions have influenced the thinking of physicians and their patients, medical boards, state and federal agencies, pharmacists, hospitals, and just about everyone involved in medical decision making.

    Indeed, your opinions impacted the health of Americans, and many aspects of our day-to-day lives including employment and school. Those of us who prescribe hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin/doxycycline believe fervently that early outpatient use would save tens of thousands of lives and enable our country to dramatically alter the response to COVID-19. We advocate for an approach that will reduce fear and allow Americans to get their lives back.

     

    We hope that our questions compel you to reconsider your current approach to COVID-19 infection.

    Questions regarding early outpatient treatment

    There are generally two stages of COVID-19 symptomatic infection; initial flu like symptoms with progression to cytokine storm and respiratory failure, correct?
    When people are admitted to a hospital, they generally are in worse condition, correct?
    There are no specific medications currently recommended for early outpatient treatment of symptomatic COVID-19 infection, correct?
    Remdesivir and Dexamethasone are used for hospitalized patients, correct?
    There is currently no recommended pharmacologic early outpatient treatment for individuals in the flu stage of the illness, correct?
    It is true that COVID-19 is much more lethal than the flu for high-risk individuals such as older patients and those with significant comorbidities, correct?
    Individuals with signs of early COVID-19 infection typically have a runny nose, fever, cough, shortness of breath, loss of smell, etc., and physicians send them home to rest, eat chicken soup etc., but offer no specific, targeted medications, correct?
    These high-risk individuals are at high risk of death, on the order of 15% or higher, correct?
    So just so we are clear—the current standard of care now is to send clinically stable symptomatic patients home, “with a wait and see” approach?
    Are you aware that physicians are successfully using Hydroxychloroquine combined with Zinc and Azithromycin as a “cocktail” for early outpatient treatment of symptomatic, high-risk, individuals?
    Have you heard of the “Zelenko Protocol,” for treating high-risk patients with COVID 19 as an outpatient?
    Have you read Dr. Risch’s article in the American Journal of Epidemiology of the early outpatient treatment of COVID-19?
    Are you aware that physicians using the medication combination or “cocktail” recommend use within the first 5 to 7 days of the onset of symptoms, before the illness impacts the lungs, or cytokine storm evolves?
    Again, to be clear, your recommendation is no pharmacologic treatment as an outpatient for the flu—like symptoms in patients that are stable, regardless of their risk factors, correct?
    Would you advocate for early pharmacologic outpatient treatment of symptomatic COVID-19 patients if you were confident that it was beneficial?
    Are you aware that there are hundreds of physicians in the United States and thousands across the globe who have had dramatic success treating high-risk individuals as outpatients with this “cocktail?”
    Are you aware that there are at least 10 studies demonstrating the efficacy of early outpatient treatment with the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail for high-risk patients — so this is beyond anecdotal, correct?
    If one of your loved ones had diabetes or asthma, or any potentially complicating comorbidity, and tested positive for COVID-19, would you recommend “wait and see how they do” and go to the hospital if symptoms progress?
    Even with multiple studies documenting remarkable outpatient efficacy and safety of the Hydroxychloroquine “cocktail,” you believe the risks of the medication combination outweigh the benefits?
    Is it true that with regard to Hydroxychloroquine and treatment of COVID-19 infection, you have said repeatedly that “The Overwhelming Evidence of Properly Conducted Randomized Clinical Trials Indicate No Therapeutic Efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ)?”
    But NONE of the randomized controlled trials to which you refer were done in the first 5 to 7 days after the onset of symptoms- correct?
    All of the randomized controlled trials to which you refer were done on hospitalized patients, correct?
    Hospitalized patients are typically sicker than outpatients, correct?
    None of the randomized controlled trials to which you refer used the full cocktail consisting of Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, and Azithromycin, correct?
    While the University of Minnesota study is referred to as disproving the cocktail, the meds were not given within the first 5 to 7 days of illness, the test group was not high risk (death rates were 3%), and no zinc was given, correct?
    Again, for clarity, the trials upon which you base your opinion regarding the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine, assessed neither the full cocktail (to include Zinc + Azithromycin or doxycycline) nor administered treatment within the first 5 to 7 days of symptoms, nor focused on the high-risk group, correct?
    Therefore, you have no basis to conclude that the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail when used early in the outpatient setting, within the first 5 to 7 days of symptoms, in high risk patients, is not effective, correct?
    It is thus false and misleading to say that the effective and safe use of Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, and Azithromycin has been “debunked,” correct? How could it be “debunked” if there is not a single study that contradicts its use?
    Should it not be an absolute priority for the NIH and CDC to look at ways to treat Americans with symptomatic COVID-19 infections early to prevent disease progression?
    The SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 virus is an RNA virus. It is well-established that Zinc interferes with RNA viral replication, correct?
    Moreover, is it not true that hydroxychloroquine facilitates the entry of zinc into the cell, is a “ionophore,” correct?
    Isn’t also it true that Azithromycin has established anti-viral properties?
    Are you aware of the paper from Baylor by Dr. McCullough et. al. describing established mechanisms by which the components of the “HCQ cocktail” exert anti-viral effects?
    So- the use of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin (or doxycycline) and zinc, the “HCQ cocktail,” is based on science, correct?
    Questions regarding safety

    The FDA writes the following: “in light of on-going serious cardiac adverse events and their serious side effects, the known and potential benefits of CQ and HCQ no longer outweigh the known and potential risks for authorized use.”So not only is the FDA saying that Hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work, they are also saying that it is a very dangerous drug. Yet, is it not true the drug has been used as an anti-malarial drug for over 65 years?
    Isn’t true that the drug has been used for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis for many years at similar doses?
    Do you know of even a single study prior to COVID -19 that has provided definitive evidence against the use of the drug based on safety concerns?
    Are you aware that chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine has many approved uses for hydroxychloroquine including steroid-dependent asthma (1988 study), Advanced pulmonary sarcoidosis (1988 study), sensitizing breast cancer cells for chemotherapy (2012 study), the attenuation of renal ischemia (2018 study), lupus nephritis (2006 study), epithelial ovarian cancer (2020 study, just to name a few)? Where are the cardiotoxicity concerns ever mentioned?
    Risch estimates the risk of cardiac death from hydroxychloroquine to be 9/100,000 using the data provided by the FDA. That does not seem to be a high risk, considering the risk of death in an older patient with co-morbidities can be 15% or more. Do you consider 9/100,000 to be a high risk when weighed against the risk of death in older patient with co-morbidities?
    To put this in perspective, the drug is used for 65 years, without warnings (aside for the need for periodic retinal checks), but the FDA somehow feels the need to send out an alert on June 15, 2020 that the drug is dangerous. Does that make any logical sense to you Dr. Fauci based on “science”?
    Moreover, consider that the protocols for usage in early treatment are for 5 to 7 days at relatively low doses of hydroxychloroquine similar to what is being given in other diseases (RA, SLE) over many years- does it make any sense to you logically that a 5 to 7 day dose of hydroxychloroquine when not given in high doses could be considered dangerous?
    You are also aware that articles published in the New England Journal of Medicine and Lancet, one out of Harvard University, regarding the dangers of hydroxychloroquine had to be retracted based on the fact that the data was fabricated. Are you aware of that?
    If there was such good data on the risks of hydroxychloroquine, one would not have to use fake data, correct?
    After all, 65 years is a long-time to determine whether or not a drug is safe, do you agree?
    In the clinical trials that you have referenced (e.g., the Minnesota and the Brazil studies), there was not a single death attributed directly to hydroxychloroquine, correct?
    According to Dr. Risch, there is no evidence based on the data to conclude that hydroxychloroquine is a dangerous drug. Are you aware of any published report that rebuts Dr. Risch’s findings?
    Are you aware that the FDA ruling along with your statements have led to Governors in a number of states to restrict the use of hydroxychloroquine?
    Are you aware that pharmacies are not filling prescriptions for this medication based on your and the FDA’s restrictions?
    Are you aware that doctors are being punished by state medical boards for prescribing the medication based on your comments as well as the FDA’s?
    Are you aware that people who want the medication sometimes need to call physicians in other states pleading for it?
    And yet you opined in March that while people were dying at the rate of 10,000 patient a week, hydroxychloroquine could only be used in an inpatient setting as part of a clinical trial- correct?
    So, people who want to be treated in that critical 5-to-7-day period and avoid being hospitalized are basically out of luck in your view, correct?
    So, again, for clarity, without a shred of evidence that the Hydroxychloroquine/HCQ cocktail is dangerous in the doses currently recommend for early outpatient treatment, you and the FDA have made it very difficult if not impossible in some cases to get this treatment, correct?
    Questions regarding methodology

     

    In regards to the use of hydroxychloroquine, you have repeatedly made the same statement: “The Overwhelming Evidence from Properly Conducted Randomized Clinical Trials Indicate no Therapeutic Efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine.” Is that correct?
    In Dr. Risch’s article regarding the early use of hydroxychloroquine, he disputes your opinion. He scientifically evaluated the data from the studies to support his opinions. Have you published any articles to support your opinions?
    You repeatedly state that randomized clinical trials are needed to make conclusions regarding treatments, correct?
    The FDA has approved many medications (especially in the area of cancer treatment) without randomized clinical trials, correct?
    Are you aware that Dr. Thomas Frieden, the previous head of the CDC wrote an article in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2017 called “Evidence for Health Decision Making – Beyond Randomized Clinical Trials (RCT)”? Have you read that article?
    In it Dr. Frieden states that “many data sources can provide valid evidence for clinical and public health action, including “analysis of aggregate clinical or epidemiological data”-do you disagree with that?
    Frieden discusses “practiced-based evidence” as being essential in many discoveries, such SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome)-do you disagree with that?
    Frieden writes the following: “Current evidence-grading systems are biased toward randomized clinical trials, which may lead to inadequate consideration of non-RCT data.” Dr. Fauci, have you considered all the non-RCT data in coming to your opinions?
    Risch, who is a leading world authority in the analysis of aggregate clinical data, has done a rigorous analysis that he published regarding the early treatment of COVID 19 with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin. He cites 5 or 6 studies, and in an updated article there are 5 or 6 more-a total of 10 to 12 clinical studies with formally collected data specifically regarding the early treatment of COVID. Have you analyzed the aggregate data regarding early treatment of high-risk patients with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin?
    Is there any document that you can produce for the American people of your analysis of the aggregate data that would rebut Dr. Risch’s analysis?
    Yet, despite what Dr. Risch believes is overwhelming evidence in support of the early use of hydroxychloroquine, you dismiss the treatment insisting on randomized controlled trials even in the midst of a pandemic?
    Would you want a loved one with high-risk comorbidities placed in the control group of a randomized clinical trial when a number of studies demonstrate safety and dramatic efficacy of the early use of the Hydroxychloroquine “cocktail?”
    Are you aware that the FDA approved a number of cancer chemotherapy drugs without randomized control trials based solely on epidemiological evidence. The trials came later as confirmation. Are you aware of that?
    You are well aware that there were no randomized clinical trials in the case of penicillin that saved thousands of lives in World War II? Was not this in the best interest of our soldiers?
    You would agree that many lives were saved with the use of cancer drugs and penicillin that were used before any randomized clinical trials–correct?
    You have referred to evidence for hydroxychloroquine as “anecdotal”- which is defined as “evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony”- correct?
    But there are many studies supporting the use of hydroxychloroquine in which evidence was collected formally and not on personal testimony, has there not been?
    So it would be false to conclude that the evidence supporting the early use of hydroxychloroquine is anecdotal, correct?
    Comparison between the US and other countries regarding case fatality rate

    (It would be very helpful to have the graphs comparing our case fatality rates to other countries)

    Are you aware that countries like Senegal and Nigeria that use Hydroxychloroquine have much lower case-fatality rates than the United States?
    Have you pondered the relationship between the use of Hydroxychloroquine by a given country and their case mortality rate and why there is a strong correlation between the use of HCQ and the reduction of the case mortality rate.?
    Have you considered consulting with a country such as India that has had great success treating COVID-19 prophylactically?
    Why shouldn’t our first responders and front-line workers who are at high risk at least have an option of HCQ/zinc prophylaxis?
    We should all agree that countries with far inferior healthcare delivery systems should not have lower case fatality rates. Reducing our case fatality rate from near 5% to 2.5%, in line with many countries who use HCQ early would have cut our total number of deaths in half, correct?
    Why not consult with countries who have lower case-fatality rates, even without expensive medicines such as remdesivir and far less advanced intensive care capabilities?
    Giving Americans the option to use HCQ for COVID-19

    Harvey Risch, the pre-eminent Epidemiologist from Yale, wrote a Newsweek Article titled: “The key to defeating COVID-19 already exists. We need to start using it.” Did you read the article?
    Are you aware that the cost of the Hydroxychloroquine “cocktail” including the Z-pack and zinc is about $50?
    You are aware the cost of Remdesivir is about $3,200?
    So that’s about 60 doses of HCQ “cocktail,” correct?
    In fact, President Trump had the foresight to amass 60 million doses of hydroxychloroquine, and yet you continue to stand in the way of doctors who want to use that medication for their infected patients, correct?
    Those are a lot of doses of medication that potentially could be used to treat our poor, especially our minority populations and people of color that have a difficult time accessing healthcare. They die more frequently of COVID-19, do they not?
    But because of your obstinance blocking the use of HCQ, this stockpile has remained largely unused, correct?
    Would you acknowledge that your strategy of telling Americans to restrict their behavior, wear masks, and distance, and put their lives on hold indefinitely until there is a vaccine is not working?
    So, 160,000 deaths later, an economy in shambles, kids out of school, suicides and drug overdoses at a record high, people neglecting and dying from other medical conditions, and America reacting to every outbreak with another lockdown- is it not time to re-think your strategy that is fully dependent on an effective vaccine?
    Why not consider a strategy that protects the most vulnerable and allows Americans back to living their lives and not wait for a vaccine panacea that may never come?
    Why not consider the approach that thousands of doctors around the world are using, supported by a number of studies in the literature, with early outpatient treatment of high-risk patients for typically one week with HCQ + Zinc + Azithromycin?
    You don’t see a problem with the fact that the government, due to your position, in some cases interferes with the choice of using HCQ. Should not that be a choice between the doctor and the patient?
    While some doctors may not want to use the drug, should not doctors who believe that it is indicated be able to offer it to their patients?
    Are you aware that doctors who are publicly advocating for such a strategy with the early use of the HCQ cocktail are being silenced with removal of content on the internet and even censorship in the medical community?
    You are aware of the 20 or so physicians who came to the Supreme Court steps advocating for the early use of the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail.In fact, you said these were “a bunch of people spouting out something that isn’t true.”Dr. Fauci, these are not just “people”- these are doctors who actually treat patients, unlike you, correct?
    Do you know that the video they made went viral with 17 million views in just a few hours, and was then removed from the internet?
    Are you aware that their website, American Frontline Doctors, was taken down the next day?
    Did you see the way that Nigerian immigrant physician, Dr. Stella Immanuel, was mocked in the media for her religious views and called a “witch doctor”?
    Are you aware that Dr. Simone Gold, the leader of the group, was fired from her job as an Emergency Room physician the following day?
    Are you aware that physicians advocating for this treatment that has by now probably saved millions of lives around the globe are harassed by local health departments, state agencies and medical boards, and even at their own hospitals? Are you aware of that?
    Don’t you think doctors should have the right to speak out on behalf of their patients without the threat of retribution?
    Are you aware that videos and other educational information are removed off the internet and labeled, in the words of Mark Zuckerberg, as “misinformation.”?
    Is it not misinformation to characterize Hydroxychloroquine, in the doses used for early outpatient treatment of COVID-19 infections, as a dangerous drug?
    Is it not misleading for you to repeatedly state to the American public that randomized clinical trials are the sole source of information to confirm the efficacy of a treatment?
    Was it not misinformation when on CNN you cited the Lancet study based on false data from Surgisphere as evidence of the lack of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine?
    Is it not misinformation as is repeated in the MSM as a result of your comments that a randomized clinical trial is required by the FDA for a drug approval?
    Don’t you realize how much damage this falsehood perpetuates?
    How is it not misinformation for you and the FDA to keep telling the American public that hydroxychloroquine is dangerous when you know that there is nothing more than anecdotal evidence of that?
    Fauci, if you or a loved one were infected with COVID-19, and had flu-like symptoms, and you knew as you do now that there is a safe and effective cocktail that you could take to prevent worsening and the possibility of hospitalization, can you honestly tell us that you would refuse the medication?
    Why not give our healthcare workers and first responders, who even with the necessary PPE are contracting the virus at a 3 to 4 times greater rate than the general public, the right to choose along with their doctor if they wont use the medicine prophylactically?
    Why is the government inserting itself in a way that is unprecedented in regard to a historically safe medication and not allowing patients the right to choose along with their doctor?
    Why not give the American people the right to decide along with their physician whether or not they want outpatient treatment in the first 5 to 7 days of the disease with a cocktail that is safe and costs around $50?
    Final questions

    Fauci, please explain how a randomized clinical trial, to which you repeatedly make reference, for testing the HCQ cocktail (hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc) administered within 5-7 days of the onset of symptoms is even possible now given the declining case numbers in so many states?
    For example, if the NIH were now to direct a study to begin September 15, where would such a study be done?
    Please explain how a randomized study on the early treatment (within the first 5 to 7 days of symptoms) of high-risk, symptomatic COVID-19 infections could be done during the influenza season and be valid?
    Please explain how multiple observational studies arrive at the same outcomes using the same formulation of hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin + Zinc given in the same time frame for the same study population (high risk patients) is not evidence that the cocktail works?
    In fact, how is it not significant evidence, during a pandemic, for hundreds of non-academic private practice physicians to achieve the same outcomes with the early use of the HCQ cocktail?
    What is your recommendation for the medical management of a 75-year-old diabetic with fever, cough, and loss of smell, but not yet hypoxic, who Emergency Room providers do not feel warrants admission? We know that hundreds of U.S. physicians (and thousands more around the world) would manage this case with the HCQ cocktail with predictable success.
    If you were in charge in 1940, would you have advised the mass production of penicillin based primarily on lab evidence and one case series on 5 patients in England or would you have stated that a randomized clinical trial was needed?
    Why would any physician put their medical license, professional reputation, and job on the line to recommend the HCQ cocktail (that does not make them any money) unless they knew the treatment could significantly help their patient?
    Why would a physician take the medication themselves and prescribe it to family members (for treatment or prophylaxis) unless they felt strongly that the medication was beneficial?
    How is it informed and ethical medical practice to allow a COVID-19 patient to deteriorate in the early stages of the infection when there is inexpensive, safe, and dramatically effective treatment with the HCQ cocktail, which the science indicates interferes with coronavirus replication?
    How is your approach to “wait and see” in the early stages of COVID-19 infection, especially in high-risk patients, following the science?
    While previous questions are related to hydroxychloroquine-based treatment, we have two questions addressing masks.

    As you recall, you stated on March 8th, just a few weeks before the devastation in the Northeast, that masks weren’t needed. You later said that you made this statement to prevent a hoarding of masks that would disrupt availability to healthcare workers. Why did you not make a recommendation for people to wear any face covering to protect themselves, as we are doing now?
    Rather, you issued no such warning and people were riding in subways and visiting their relatives in nursing homes without any face covering. Currently, your position is that face coverings are essential. Please explain whether or not you made a mistake in early March, and how would you go about it differently now.
    Conclusion

    Since the start of the pandemic, physicians have used hydroxychloroquine to treat symptomatic COVID-19 infections, as well as for prophylaxis. Initial results were mixed as indications and doses were explored to maximize outcomes and minimize risks. What emerged was that hydroxychloroquine appeared to work best when coupled with azithromycin. In fact, it was the President of the United States who recommended to you publicly at the beginning of the pandemic, in early March, that you should consider early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and a “Z-Pack.” Additional studies showed that patients did not seem to benefit when COVID-19 infections were treated with hydroxychloroquine late in the course of the illness, typically in a hospital setting, but treatment was consistently effective, even in high-risk patients, when hydroxychloroquine was given in a “cocktail” with azithromycin and, critically, zinc in the first 5 to 7 days after the onset of symptoms. The outcomes are, in fact, dramatic.

    As clearly presented in the McCullough article from Baylor, and described by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, the efficacy of the HCQ cocktail is based on the pharmacology of the hydroxychloroquine ionophore acting as the “gun” and zinc as the “bullet,” while azithromycin potentiates the anti-viral effect. Undeniably, the hydroxychloroquine combination treatment is supported by science. Yet, you continue to ignore the “science” behind the disease. Viral replication occurs rapidly in the first 5 to 7 days of symptoms and can be treated at that point with the HCQ cocktail. Rather, your actions have denied patients treatment in that early stage. Without such treatment, some patients, especially those at high risk with co-morbidities, deteriorate and require hospitalization for evolving cytokine storm resulting in pneumonia, respiratory failure, and intubation with 50% mortality. Dismissal of the science results in bad medicine, and the outcome is over 160,000 dead Americans. Countries that have followed the science and treated the disease in the early stages have far better results, a fact that has been concealed from the American Public.

    Despite mounting evidence and impassioned pleas from hundreds of frontline physicians, your position was and continues to be that randomized controlled trials (RCTs) have not shown there to be benefit. However, not a single randomized control trial has tested what is being recommended: use of the full cocktail (especially zinc), in high-risk patients, initiated within the first 5 to 7 days of the onset of symptoms. Using hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin late in the disease process, with or without zinc, does not produce the same, unequivocally positive results.

     

    Dr. Thomas Frieden, in a 2017 New England Journal of Medicine article regarding randomized clinical trials, emphasized there are situations in which it is entirely appropriate to use other forms of evidence to scientifically validate a treatment. Such is the case during a pandemic that moves like a brushfire jumping to different parts of the country. Insisting on randomized clinical trials in the midst of a pandemic is simply foolish. Dr. Harvey Risch, a world-renowned Yale epidemiologist, analyzed all the data regarding the use of the hydroxychloroquine/HCQ cocktail and concluded that the evidence of its efficacy when used early in COVID-19 infection is unequivocal.

    Curiously, despite a 65+ years safety record, the FDA suddenly deemed hydroxychloroquine a dangerous drug, especially with regard to cardiotoxicity. Dr. Risch analyzed data provided by the FDA and concluded that the risk of a significant cardiac event from hydroxychloroquine is extremely low, especially when compared to the mortality rate of COVID-19 patients with high-risk co-morbidities. How do you reconcile that for forty years rheumatoid arthritis and lupus patients have been treated over long periods, often for years, with hydroxychloroquine and now there are suddenly concerns about a 5 to 7-day course of hydroxychloroquine at similar or slightly increased doses? The FDA statement regarding hydroxychloroquine and cardiac risk is patently false and alarmingly misleading to physicians, pharmacists, patients, and other health professionals. The benefits of the early use of hydroxychloroquine to prevent hospitalization in high-risk patients with COVID-19 infection far outweigh the risks. Physicians are not able to obtain the medication for their patients, and in some cases are restricted by their state from prescribing hydroxychloroquine. The government’s obstruction of the early treatment of symptomatic high-risk COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine, a medication used extensively and safely for so long, is unprecedented.

    It is essential that you tell the truth to the American public regarding the safety and efficacy of the hydroxychloroquine/HCQ cocktail. The government must protect and facilitate the sacred and revered physician-patient relationship by permitting physicians to treat their patients. Governmental obfuscation and obstruction are as lethal as cytokine storm.

    Americans must not continue to die unnecessarily. Adults must resume employment and our youth return to school. Locking down America while awaiting an imperfect vaccine has done far more damage to Americans than the coronavirus. We are confident that thousands of lives would be saved with early treatment of high-risk individuals with a cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin. Americans must not live in fear. As Dr. Harvey Risch’s Newsweek article declares, “The key to defeating COVID-19 already exists. We need to start using it.”

    Very Respectfully

     

    George C. Fareed, MD, Brawley, California

    Michael M. Jacobs, MD, MPH, Pensacola, Florida

    Donald C. Pompan, MD, Salinas, California"

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 4:34pm

    mememonkey

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Nov 01 2009

    Posts: 192

    14

    ‘Gain of Fauci’ research

    AP

    that’s really not such a giant leap of logic considering Fauci funded gain of function research on Bat Corona virus’ in Wuhan

    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 5:31pm

    gkcjrrt

    gkcjrrt

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 20 2016

    Posts: 65

    8

    Fauci has been around for a long long time -

    Why?   Either he's the best we have or he know's the game well;  I'm betting on the latter

    https://aep.lib.rochester.edu/node/49111

    "You are responsible for all government funded AIDS treatment research. In
    the name of right, you make decisions that cost the lives of others. I call
    the decisions you are making acts of murder."
    Larry Kramer
    "An Open Letter to Dr. Anthony Fauci"
    San Francisco Examiner, June 26, 1988

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 5:52pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    agitating prop said:

    You said "I would censor", which is... shocking beyond words... Why are you here????

    You have taken that out of context. I said I would censor, in the current poisoned political environment to tamp down hostility. As those hostilities could lead to acts of violence based on hot headed arousal, seems like a good temporary measure.

    Freedom of expression equals "chimps gone wild," in certain settings. You've seen the wildlife documentaries.

    Again, I caution you not to insult me as it is against forum rules. Okay. If you wish to just pm me, unless you need an audience. That's kind of like needing the backing of a mob.

    Also, you perceive me as the only one here who has this take on things. That is far from correct.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 10:06pm

    davefairtex

    davefairtex

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 03 2008

    Posts: 2780

    9

    vitamin D: still waiting

    AP-

    Still waiting for your response on Fauci and Vitamin D.

    Fauci takes vitamin D.  His action demonstrates that he knows it is effective.  It is his duty to share this knowledge.  And yet, he has chosen not to share it.

    If your doctor knows how to treat your illness, and yet decides to withhold the treatment, what do they call it?

    Multiply this criminal act by a nation of 320 million people, leading directly to hundreds of thousands of deaths, and perhaps millions injured by long-haul COVID effects.

    What do they call that?

    We need a special prosecutor.  We need an investigation.  What did Fauci know, and when did he know it.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 10:17pm

    davefairtex

    davefairtex

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 03 2008

    Posts: 2780

    11

    Fauci & Gain of Function Research

    I totally agree with mememonkey.  Fauci funded that gain-of-function research on bat corona viruses in 2019.  At the Wuhan institute of virology.

    Virus came from Wuhan.  No animal host has yet been identified for this virus.  Chris has gone over this at length.  The lab was cited as being unsafe back in 2016.  More likely than not, the virus came from this unsafe lab, as a direct result of this gain-of-function research - funded by Fauci.

    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

    We need a special prosecutor.  Mueller investigation is the template - the predicate: the CCP is most likely involved in Fauci's little gain-of-function research project.  FISA warrants on everyone.  Hoover up everything from that NSA database in Utah.  I'm sure we'll find something.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 5:51am

    thc0655

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Apr 27 2010

    Posts: 2744

    6

    Oh Dave, you’re such an optimist!

    We need a special prosecutor.  Mueller investigation is the template - the predicate: the CCP is most likely involved in Fauci's little gain-of-function research project.  FISA warrants on everyone.  Hoover up everything from that NSA database in Utah.  I'm sure we'll find something.

    So you still think there are actual investigations and proportional consequences for Cloud People who act outside of the law and morality? How cute! Can you provide three examples since 2008? And one or two useful idiots who became liabilities to The Cloud People and were sacrificed to the law-and-order mob don’t count. (I’m thinking of you Harvey Weinstein.)

    OK, if the system won’t investigate and vigorously prosecute themselves, The Cloud People, think ahead three or more moves in the game and make another suggestion better than demanding investigations and prosecutions. 🤔

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 6:18am

    LBL

    LBL

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Apr 11 2020

    Posts: 440

    2

    LBL said:

    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741?

    Certainly Fauci was running the NIH when they funded some very interesting research in China.

    But until the US government admits to creating Covid19, we can only be certain of pieces of the puzzle -

    *  Chris' presentations where he basically proves that Covid19 is man-made, not a product of natural processes.

    *  Clear evidence that the US spent $7.4 financing the development of viruses similar to Covid19.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 6:22am

    LBL

    LBL

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Apr 11 2020

    Posts: 440

    1

    LBL said:

    If you want to over-use your Guardian Angel's support, play with a wild bird.

    I may not look lucky, but I am VERY VERY LUCKY.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 6:26am

    LBL

    LBL

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Apr 11 2020

    Posts: 440

    1

    LBL said:

    TOTALLY AGREE.

    But ... Very much Doubt it's going to happen.  We're talking about a government that is so "conscientious" ... that they're deliberately lying about Covid19 on CDC, NIH & FDA websites.FDA Lies.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 7:48am

    Kat43

    Kat43

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Feb 10 2020

    Posts: 686

    18

    The Narrative continues

    Yesterday I saw my primary for my annual physical.  I'm elderly but in great shape.  She has told me (with a smile) that I'm what they call boring!  She knows I'm healthy and very proactive about it.

    My agenda included asking for scripts for HCQ and IVM because I wanted something I could take prophylactically and also if there were symptoms.  Partly because I would like a reliable source of them, but as much because I was curious at her response.

    * HCQ is much too dangerous, it kills people, and it's not very effective.

    * There is nothing you can take prophylactically for C19.

    * I'm not aware of any role for IVM in C19.

    Since I wasn't about to waste valuable time pleading HCQ's case I dropped that one, and besides I'm more interested in IVM anyway.  Her response about HCQ is absolutely in line with the few prior fraudulent and careless studies of it without any regard to what people like Zelenko have done.

    So I focused my comments on IVM, for which I had copies of the three major 2020 papers that have been cited here, as well as copies of many of the protocols.  She appeared willing to consider it but wanted to review them first.  I don't know if she'll contact me directly or if I'll just find based on whether a prescription is ready for pick up.  If I didn't convince her about IVM, it's a start towards her hearing about it.  I hope her attitude a year from now is different.  I hope Science accepts Kory's reprint, it would be a great step forward in educating the US.

    I told her I would be using IVM but would really appreciate a source I could trust.  I didn't tell her I already had a stash.

    So it played out about the way I expected.  She is part of a large Boston medical center group.  A good one, not a great one.  I don't expect my doctors to be on top of anything any more.  Just more incentive to figure it out for myself and take what steps I can.

    I did also confirm that my local pharmacy has HCQ and IVM available.  So Massachusetts apparently is not one of the states where it is illegal to prescribe HCQ for C19, and I didn't sense that my primary's license was on the line.  So I was apparently just up against her lacking professional opinion whether she would prescribe it or not.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 12:24pm

    Mike Graham

    Mike Graham

    Status: Member

    Joined: Apr 13 2020

    Posts: 3

    7

    Mike Graham said:

    file:///C:/Users/mytty/Downloads/Emergency-Use-Authorization-for-Vaccines-to-Prevent-COVID-19_Oct_2020.pdf

    The important part for EAU  for vaccines.  Is the last item of their criteria.

    (There is no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the product for diagnosing, preventing, or treating the disease or condition.)

    If they announce that there are adequate, approved, and available alternatives, that would mean no EAU for these vaccines. And it would take another year or two to approve the vaccines. The Medical Industrial Complex is hard at work committing genocide on our elderly population. At least Social Security will become solvent.

    III. CRITERIA AND CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE ISSUANCE OF AN EUA FOR A
    COVID-19 VACCINE
    On February 4, 2020, pursuant to section 564(b)(1)(C) of the FD&C Act (21 U.S.C. 360bbb3(b)(1)(C)), the Secretary of HHS determined that there is a public health emergency that has a
    significant potential to affect national security or the health and security of United States citizens
    living abroad, and that involves the virus that causes COVID-19. On the basis of such determination,
    on March 27, 2020, the Secretary then declared that circumstances exist justifying the authorization
    of emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19 pandemic, pursuant to
    section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act (21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(b)(1)).
    3
    Based on this declaration and determination, FDA may issue an EUA after FDA has determined that
    the following statutory requirements are met (section 564 of the FD&C Act (21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3))
    (Ref. 3):
    • The chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear (CBRN) agent referred to in the March 27,
    2020 EUA declaration by the Secretary of HHS (SARS-CoV-2) can cause a serious or lifethreatening disease or condition.
    • Based on the totality of scientific evidence available, including data from adequate and wellcontrolled trials, if available, it is reasonable to believe that the product may be effective to
    prevent, diagnose, or treat such serious or life-threatening disease or condition that can be
    caused by SARS-CoV-2.
    • The known and potential benefits of the product, when used to diagnose, prevent, or treat the
    identified serious or life-threatening disease or condition, outweigh the known and potential
    risks of the product.
    • There is no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the product for diagnosing,
    preventing, or treating the disease or condition.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 1:37pm

    richcabot

    richcabot

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Apr 05 2011

    Posts: 398

    6

    Fox guarding the hen house

    Alex Azar is the Secretary of Health and Human Services.  From 2012 to 2017, Azar was President of the U.S. division of Eli Lilly and Company, a major drug company, and a member of the Board of Directors of the Biotechnology Innovation Organization, a large pharmaceutical trade association.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 4:55pm

    mainebob

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Jan 13 2009

    Posts: 70

    1

    Mainstream info on Ivermectin by my PCP (MD) .... How do I counter this?

    I had an exam yesterday by my PCP and asked to get a standing script for Ivermectin and I gave her the printout of the "EVMS Critical Care CV19 Management Protocol" she got back to me and wrote, " I do not recommend taking ivermectin at this time as it is only recommended to be used in clinical trials- my source is from the National Institute of Health: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/ "

    Can you review this document and say where it is wrong?   Thanks for all you do.
    -Bob

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 6:51pm

    wotthecurtains

    wotthecurtains

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Feb 27 2020

    Posts: 882

    6

    Kind of reads like your doctor just doesn't want to.

    The response reads like a classic retort of "People higher up the chain say I shouldn't so I won't.   I really have no downside in following them".

     

    If your goal is to get a prescription, maybe you can find a way to wear her down until she caves in to get rid of you, but turning her into a fellow traveler sounds unlikely.

     

    It is an illustrative example of how we got where we are as a culture unfortunately.

     

    Chris talks a lot about evolutionary shortcuts wired into human thinking.  I am nothing like an expert in that field, but it sure feels to me like humans know that having those higher up the chain on your side is almost always the safest bet.  Its the reason everyone thinks Ron Paul or Ralph Nader would be an awesome president but they aren't gonna vote for them because they can't win.   Its the reason everyone knows the US Dollar has an intrinsic value of 0 but they keep working themselves into the hospital to get USD

     

    Maybe geniuses and the lucky can succeed going against the tide, but that rules out most people most of the time.

     

    This week feels a lot like being on the Titanic where one half of the ship is going up in the air and people still would rather look for someone higher up to tell them what to do than act on what they can see.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 8:02pm

    Snowball Financial

    Snowball Financial

    Status: Member

    Joined: Apr 13 2013

    Posts: 18

    3

    NIH and Ivermectin

    Seems like NIH isn't completely ignoring Ivermectin:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7521351/

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 2:46am

    Tom Nguyen

    Tom Nguyen

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 11 2020

    Posts: 1

    18

    YOU ARE THE MAN OF 2020 DOCTOR CHRIS

    First I want to say thank you to your kind heart about this video. I think if I don't see your video on december 9 maybe right now I am end up in hospital already. I work as a respiratory therapist, I think, I caught covid when I took care one of my patient at my work place.  I feel ill on december 7, I go get test, the result came back I am positive on december 9. I have to beg my doctor for your I MASK + protocol, finally he agreed. My symptom was severe body aches and low grade fever. My heart is beating fast out of normal range about 115 bpm due to it respond to infection. My oxygen level is still within normal range 96% to 98% spo2.  8 hours after first dose, I felt much better.  body aches and pain is gone about 80%.  I will finish second dose for today.  once again, from the bottom of my heart,  I want to say thank you again for your good heart, may god bless you and keep your family safe and peace.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 8:41am

    drbrucedale

    drbrucedale

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Sep 06 2009

    Posts: 162

    24

    Less Free Speech Equals More Violence-Not Less

    Hi Agit Prop:

    I debated whether or not to respond to your post about "tamping down" expressions of opinions with which you disagree to reduce hostility and potential violence, but I can't let it go unchallenged. I am pretty much a free speech absolutist, so I disagree just on principle.

    But there is something else I think you are missing...or perhaps you have never raised kids, :), which would go a long way to explaining your lack of appreciation for a basic fact of human nature. If you try to shut down people, try to make it impossible for their voices to be heard (which is the current MSM/Social Media approach to dissenting voices), I strongly believe you will make violence a lot more likely, not less likely.

    People need to be heard...not told to shut up. That makes for a safer, more open, more resilient society.

    Lastly, censorship is not only wrong, it is stupid and self-destructive. We have a long history in this country of breaking up concentrated power (eg, the oil trusts, Ma Bell and so on). The power to control flow of information is perhaps the greatest power of all...and I believe that the social media dictators of information flow are going to be broken up eventually.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 10:45am

    cpaddon

    cpaddon

    Status: Member

    Joined: Jun 27 2020

    Posts: 1

    3

    Another Failure of Imagination?

    If you want to gain a deeper, meta understanding of the dark forces operating behind the pandemic, and to help you make sense of the seemingly irrational response by authorities, I highly recommend you spend the time reading this well written,  thoroughly researched and documented article posted by the editor of the Titanic Lifeboat Academy titled "Another Failure of Imagination?" You will be well rewarded.

    https://titaniclifeboatacademy.org/teolawki-times/34-teolawki-times/1297-another-failure-of-imagination

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 10:52am

    Beckett Bennett

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 114

    4

    Dam, a woman with common sense & a backbone!

    Warning - info you might find offensive.  

    https://www.brighteon.com/72689d28-c51c-402b-bc0f-c94c547dad3c

    AKGrannyWGrit

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 11:02am

    Beckett Bennett

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 114

    0

    cpaddon

    Welcome cpaddon!  The article looks intetesting I will definately read it.  Thank you for posting and please continue to share information!

    Regards

    AKGrannyWGrit

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 11:35am

    Quercus bicolor

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Mar 19 2008

    Posts: 1013

    8

    to mainebob re: NIH

    Hi mainebob,

    Here are the flaws in the NIH's recommendation:

    1. It's dated August 27, 3 and a half months ago.  There have been many new studies since then and numerous ones available then have passed peer review since then.  See https://ivmmeta.com/ and https://c19ivermectin.com/
    2. They cite one study (with positive results).  There are literally 34 of them now, 13 passed peer review and 10 are relatively large randomized controlled trials.  All show positive results.  Most show very large positive results with a risk of death reduction (or developing the disease for prophylactic studies) reduced by 70-95% over the control group.  Even the worst performing study shows about the same risk reduction as that wimpy remdesivir study published in late May that prompted remdesivir to be officially recommended for treatment.
    3. The theory they cite that concentrations of ivm in lung tissue do not get high enough to help absolutely does not stand up to that mountain of data.

    I hope this helps.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 11:45am

    Quercus bicolor

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Mar 19 2008

    Posts: 1013

    0

    Quercus bicolor said:

    I got a good laugh out of that one.  I loved the reference to the Jungian shadow at the end.

    That said, masks are sometimes useful like when I visit my 80 year old mom in the house she just bought and moved into.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 12:14pm

    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    6

    Starving the beast - Canadian version

    https://www.not-amazon.ca/

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/amazon-local-businesses-1.5836283

    This new online shopping website is growing exponentially! Canadian readers please take note! Now more than ever we need to support local businesses!!!! Every order directly made via site and its affiliates instead of the evil oligarch billionaires is a tangible way to take action. This is one way to make a difference and fight back!!

    Spread the word - far and wide!!

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 12:40pm

    Mohammed Mast

    Mohammed Mast

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: May 17 2017

    Posts: 1464

    9

    ap

    I don't believe you are a US citizen , but correct me if I am wrong.

    The annual budget for the Dept. of Health and Human Services is $1.2 TRILLION mandatory + 87 billion discretionary. The CDC is part of that Dept. as is NIAID. (Fauci, btw the third highest paid government official)

    https://www.hhs.gov/about/budget/fy2020/index.html#:~:text=The%20Budget%20proposes%20%2487.1%20billion,areas%20with%20the%20highest%20impact.

    The Budget for the CDC is "The Health Statistics budget appropriated by Congress for FY 2020 is $160,397,000. This enacted budget is level with FY 2019 and includes funding for administrative and business services through the CDC Working Capital Fund (WCF).Oct 6, 2020"

    The entire Health budget for India is less than $10 billion. India is doing much better than the US with Covid.

    I would suggest your time being an apologist for Fauci etal. would be better spent knitting. You would then have something useful to show for it.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 10:42pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    1

    Defending Fauci? LOL

    Are you kidding, MoMast? I think he's a dweeb who should have taken the studies of ivermectin seriously. I am terribly sorry I can't join in your strange hate-fest of Fauci due to his 'evil.' I don't think he is. Wrong terminology. He's a highly intelligent stupid person, who is enthrall to the latest meds big pharma comes up with. Don't tell me you have never met a person who is truly brilliant, but completely thick at the same time.

    But by all means keep the hatred going, Mr. Mast.  Then at least you'll have high blood pressure to show for all of your effort.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 10:58pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Dr. Brucedale

    First, you have misinterpreted what I said. I said, (once again) that in order to tamp down speech temporarily that could incite violence I would recommend censoring, if I was on Youtube's board.

    I didn't mention government censorship, nor did I mention your children, or children generally and the effects of long term suppression, repression of speech on their psyches. That isn't remotely my concern, nor does it have anything to do with what I was expressing.

    Chris Martenson kicks people off his forum when he strongly disagrees with them or figures they are trolling. Maybe you should wag a pedagogic finger at him, before taking me on, huh?

    Another thing I want to make clear for those who think I am on the attack. I was merely explaining to Chris that social media is very nervous at the moment and that his videos have been wrongly equated with all of the insane covid videos they have likely scrubbed by now.

    Never have I seen a bigger load of garbage than what has been on Youtube with regards this illness. So much quackery catering to so many pitiful examples of the Dunning Kruger effect.

    All of the hysteria around masks created a youtube cottage industry of 'rebels and rugged iconoclasts' bullhorning their way to their 15 minutes of fame. And what did it accomplish? A whole lot of sick people. And if that isn't a form of violence, I don't know what is.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 6:16am

    planfortomorrow

    planfortomorrow

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 28 2017

    Posts: 2

    0

    planfortomorrow said:

    Merry Christmas Granny. I wish you well. BOB

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 6:39am

    planfortomorrow

    planfortomorrow

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 28 2017

    Posts: 2

    0

    planfortomorrow said:

    Hello WCJ,  Happy New Years and a Merry Christmas, Jan, seldom do you write a less than important piece here, and I enjoy every one. Be good Jan, safe and importantly I hope you are loved by many, you deserve this. BOB

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 7:40am

    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    2

    Thanks, Bob

    And back at you! There are many of us on this site who have been commenting for a long time. I have learned so much here, not just from Chris and Adam, but from the many intelligent and resourceful people who are often like a supporting cast to provide additional data for what is talked about in articles, blog posts and interviews. That is where so many of the gems come from.

    This tribe is a gift to truth seekers - an Island where one can find hope in a sea of chaos.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your lady as well, Bob.

    Jan

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 8:16am

    tinarock

    tinarock

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 10 2010

    Posts: 46

    6

    tinarock said:

    Pursuant to sheltered correspondence - I recommend opening such an account on protonmail.com. Avoid gmail, AOL, yahoo.

    Also since you are writing the email and saving it as a draft, the message exists on that server where you are saving the draft. This is why you should use a system such as protonmail.com. Accounts are free. They encrypt all messages and cannot read what you have written, Only you can read it.

    On systems such as aol, yahoo, gmail, and others, they are reading and storing your messages.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 8:25am

    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    11

    @ Agitating Prop

    After reading so many of your posts what became clear to me is simply one thing: it seems you do not believe people can be evil. You will not agree that Fauci is evil, or Bill Gates, or many of the other 'managers' that are leading us down into the abyss. And doing so knowingly, with a big agenda in mind.

    There are many who fall into this non-belief camp - for reasons I cannot fathom - in spite of proven historical examples of pure evil - typically at the hands of greedy, sociopathic megalomaniacs. Millions upon millions of lives have been lost over time to so called brilliant people, who may also be socially inept, thick buckets, as you describe them.

    It is happening again before our very eyes, only on global, not specific country scale. I have done the deep dive looking for proof on both sides - that this is an illusion/bad dream and I am indeed dreaming, or that it is real, and holy f*ing shit, they really are herding us like sheep... Sadly, and angrily, it is the latter. I could link a ton of sources, but why bother - I have already linked so many articles, videos etc on this site in my efforts to share info and help inform. Yet I still see comments like the one from MKI the other day that said "who do you think is behind this?" Well gosh, darn, where have you been hiding all this time? ........ that really exasperates me!

    The point is many members here are debating from well-researched positions- with data and stats to back it up. I do not see that coming from your posts. I see your thoughts and opinions. The Great Reset is very real, 'they' make no efforts to hide it - so confident are 'they' - they have abandoned any secrecy, becoming increasingly bold in their pronouncements and plan roll outs. If you do not (yet) understand the bigger picture and planned dystopian nightmare for we the people, then you have simply not been paying attention, at all.

    Further, in saying you want some level of censorship for certain things is doing exactly what 'they' want you to do - stifle conversation, sharing of information, and fomenting badly needed discussions. If people in general are of that same mindset, then ya, we might as well pack up and call it a day.

    We actually need people to get angry!!!! We need everyone to be outraged at the illegal shit that is being done, politically, economically, financially. At the censorship, deplatforming, outright lies and disregard for constitutional law. At the lack of integrity and ethics, and at the so, so many (scientists, journalists, financial people, politicians) who know on some level they are doing something wrong, and do it anyway because they need to kowtow to how the game is played in order to keep their job... you know - the greed comes first people...... At how our lives are being destroyed by the billionaire oligarchs so that they can control the world and everything in it. If you do not believe that this is actually happening in living colour, with all of the evidence that is available, then I won't waste any more time trying to get you to see the light. So, so many 'disbelievers' stood by in WWII while millions were loaded onto cattle cars and shipped off to either be played with by the early Eugenecists, enslaved and worked to death, or gassed. That is fact. Not fiction. Those, all of them across history and genocidal events, were 'evil' people. Evil exists! I have no doubt whatsoever.

    I say again, as I have said many times here: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men (people) to do nothing.

    I know without a sliver of doubt what side I am firmly on, and ya, I would give my life to uphold that for the greater good. Because I am the polar opposite of evil.

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 9:19am

    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    2

    And to further underscore my above comment:

    An Amazon worker earning the $15 minimum wage would need to work 24 hours a day for about 68 years, just to earn what Bezos makes in an hour.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2020/12/11/lee-camp-the-pandemic-dirty-dozen/

    If anyone cannot see this vile greed as pure evil, well, I have no words for that mentality. And for anyone who is a dirty dozen wannabe - to have all the riches and fame and blah blah blah, I have no words for that either, other than pure unfiltered disgust.

    This shit is not a reality show...!

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 9:24am

    Mary59

    Mary59

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Feb 09 2020

    Posts: 182

    2

    Thank you for this important clarification

    Thank you Tinarock for clarifying this.    I am going to get right off the gmail/google

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 9:25am

    Chuck in Belize

    Chuck in Belize

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: May 23 2020

    Posts: 245

    15

    On "Free Speech"

    There seems to be a brewing controversy (even HERE on this site!) regarding the issue of "Free Speech" on the one hand, and (benevolent?) censorship on the other.I guess there's no need for naming any names.It concerns me, but not for the longer term here on PP. I think things will settle out.

    My two cents' worth is this:If you want to endorse a never-ending search for solutions to problems, it is very difficult to justify censorship. In fact, an advocacy for censorship is essentially an assertion that "Truth" is now known, the "Facts" are in, and "the Science" is settled. Anybody else, just Shut Up.

    History says otherwise. The "Truth" is not a place, it is a journey towards something.

    If, instead, you see censorship as "Temporarily Necessary" in order to avoid "inciting people to violence" then you are firmly in the camp of some of the darkest figures in history. I'd be mighty careful, when taking a position like that.

    If there really IS a situation that has to be addressed quickly, and if there really IS some new grain of enlightenment to be shared, and if there really IS a value in "diversity",then adopting an advocacy of censorship is not only a fool's game, but a recipe for a much bigger disaster later.

    Worsening situations are only made worse when speech is stifled.People who want to speak, but are not permitted to, are going to become more inclined to desperate measures than they would if they were simply allowed their say.If you have a pressure cooker going, and you seal it off, whatever happens down the road is going to be much worse by doing that.

    If you have large numbers of frustrated but otherwise caring and peaceful people, and you make it impossible for them to speak, they become angry people, who no longer see peace as possible, and who no longer care.

    There is no such thing as "inciting a person to violence." That requires a change in the person doing the listening, not in the person doing the speaking. Linking what one person says with what another person does is to say that the listener is not responsible for their actions, but instead it's the fault of the speaker.

    I'm sorry, but I just don't buy any of the arguments that favor censorship.I can't see a single such argument that holds water.In fact, I submit that censorship ultimately creates the opposite of its intended effect. Not only that, it allows solvable problems to become disastrous, much less solvable ones.

    I hold myself solely responsible for who I am and what I do.No person on earth can "incite" me to do a damn thing. I think for myself. I never blame somebody else for what I do.

    And I read history.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 10:03am

    Mary59

    Mary59

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Feb 09 2020

    Posts: 182

    3

    Yes WestCoastJan

    And we can bet our bottom(ed out) dollar, that the same Jeff B, and Bill, and their lot will be breaking the internet of hypocricy while (Ted) talking about how the Great Reset is vital as things are so unequal.  They will present fancy GINI graphs -which neither they, their covens, nor their woke-auds, will even understand.  At the champagne sprinkled gala, they will speak their prescribed speak about how terrible things are in (this month's favourite) third world country, and unless their insulation fails to protect them from the horrors that may be Humanity, they will steadfast and strong  -remain, self centeredly and myopically subconscious to truth, whilst on bended knee to, at least, Pride and Fear.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 10:23am

    Mohammed Mast

    Mohammed Mast

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: May 17 2017

    Posts: 1464

    5

    lol ap

    Comparing PP to FB, Google etc is a strawman argument. One would think having been here as long as you have you would not use that logical fallacy. But here we are.

    The amount of information here is far greater than you will find on social media platforms. In many ways it is far more democratic. Facts and opinions are openly challenged by the participants. This is the good ol fashioned "town square" where democracy ruled and ideas can be debated. It is bottom up. Now do some people get bounced here? Of course. Trolls are given a certain leeway however until the signal to noise ratio gets out of whack. Trolls are given every opportunity to present their case.

    This is not the case on social media platforms. They are hierarchical, top down institutions, with definite political agendas. There is no debate, no chance for someone like CM to appeal. If you can't see the difference then the old adage "you can lead a horse to water" applies in your case.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 10:43am

    Mohammed Mast

    Mohammed Mast

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: May 17 2017

    Posts: 1464

    3

    EVIL

    There is no such thing as EVIL.

    Evil is a subjective construct of the human mind.

    If one reads "Tragedy and Hope" by Carroll Quigley one realizes that the elites are acting from what they perceive as the best interests of humanity. They do not consider themselves EVIL. Bill Gates does not consider himself EVIL. On a certain level his idea of reducing the population by billions could be considered altruistic. (Not so much for the proles who have to go. But that is their subjective opinion)

    There are many laws in the universe. The laws of Thermodynamics, Gravity etc. They are all subject to one supreme law. That law is the law of Karma. This is the law which states every action as an equal opposite reaction. All laws are subject to that fact.

    An example would be morality. Is it evil to engage in cannibalism? Subjectively Yes/No. It is dependent on which culture you live in. Thus there is no objective morality.

    https://examples.yourdictionary.com/ethical-dilemma-examples.html

    So one's subjective perspective is the determining factor in how one judges good and evil. Another example might be the Federal Reserve. A lot of people think that the Fed is evil or acting unethically or stupidly. This does not take into account of the effects the Fed's actions have on their constituents. The constituents of the Fed are not the Amerikaan citizens. The constituents are the banks. Thus looked at from that perspective the actions of the Fed are completely ethical and rational.

    The law of Karma is immutable and inexorable. It functions automatically. It is the law of must. The Universe swings between the opposites of action and reaction. It is constantly seeking equilibrium. It is not ethical or moral.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 11:20am

    CleanEnergyFan

    Status: Member

    Joined: Jan 29 2012

    Posts: 129

    3

    Video on CDC Patents on Coronavirus and gain of function

    Not to add too much fuel to the conspiracy theory fire but curious if others have seen this 7 min video in which David E. Martin, PhD details the CDC and Fouci involvement in Coronavirus patents and certainly would explain some big profit motives for some of the strange actions done by both these actors (and the reluctance for same to continue saying the virus came from nature rather than lab).  I have not done sufficient fact-checking (and don't trust existing FB or USA Today "fact-checkers") but this certainly raises interesting arguments and might explain some of the odd behavior by these folks...I have seen zero media coverage of this issue which further raises my suspicions (although YT hasn't banned this yet).





    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 11:32am

    Oliveoilguy

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 29 2012

    Posts: 1317

    7

    IVM warnings posted at Tractor Supply

    Yesterday these signs appeared for the first time. Looks like the clampdown is coming.
    Get your product while you can.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 11:38am

    Beckett Bennett

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 114

    1

    Does apathy have no bounds?

    "There is no such thing as EVIL."

    As a mother, grandmother, and an empathetic and compassionate person my response is "that's a load of bullshit"!  You can try to justify, explain and rationalize all you want but it will not change the fact that evil does exists.

    I could provide vivid and detailed examples but I won't as they would fall on indifferent ears.  To declare vehemently that evil does not exist and those who agree show their lack of empathy and compassion for those who have been eggregiously harmed by evil people and evil acts.  What a callus and cruel argument.

    Unfortunately, there is often a lack of compassion, caring and empathy on this site.

    AKGrannyWGrit

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 11:38am

    CleanEnergyFan

    Status: Member

    Joined: Jan 29 2012

    Posts: 129

    5

    Forget your Dr and just get Ivermectin from Feed Store

    My advice is to forget trying to convince your Dr.  I was successful in doing that in my case (but I have a Concierge Dr which I pay annually for preventative care and custom medical service) but it was still a hassle and cost about 100 times what the equivalent cost of the horse version is.  I have taken both versions and both seemed to work just fine (I got over my Covid in about 5 days with only typical cold like symptoms and no other issues)...I felt much better within 2 days of taking Ivermectin.  I am 66 yrs old and in good health but I must say I have been surprised at what a non-event this Covid was for me (I tested positive) as I thought I just had a normal cold.  Now I don't need to worry about the unknowns of a vaccine.  Also, OliveOilGuy...thanks for posting that Tractor Supply might start limiting availability of Ivermectin...I was afraid that might happen so I bought plenty for future use just in case (each tube cost less than $5 and is sufficient for about 6 treatments at average human body weights).

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 11:56am

    Oliveoilguy

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 29 2012

    Posts: 1317

    1

    YouTube is monopolistic ... PP is not

    Size matters .... hum... Anyway That to me is the main difference why YouTube should be prohibited from censoring and PP should be allowed to. PP is run at the discretion of Adam and Chris. If they want to censor everyone who believes that water is good and boot them off their platform, they have every right to do so. And in turn those disenfranchised people can find another forum.  No harm ... no real impact on society.
    But YouTube and Twitter can influence elections and change public policy by virtue of their size and influence and monopolistic stature. Public (YouTube) vs. Private (Peak Prosperity).

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:12pm

    Mohammed Mast

    Mohammed Mast

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: May 17 2017

    Posts: 1464

    1

    Hi Granny

    Thank you for your cogent reply.

    I understand you are emotionally triggered and ruled by your emotions rather than your rational mind (I assume you have one),

    Complex thought processes are difficult for emotionally based humans. It is just much easier for them to react.

    In psychology the process is described as EIF. There is an EVENT. Emotions kick in and there is an INTERPRETATION. Then there is a corresponding FEELING.

    Having observed your behavior for a number of years it appears to me your truth lies in your emotions. No amount of rational discussion would be able to penetrate that membrane.

    You are very comfortable operating that way and that is fine on an individual subjective level. Unfortunately the Universe is a vast space. It operates on its own rules which are amoral.

    Of course proceeding further with this dialog would prove fruitless for both of us, nor would it change anything in objective reality.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:20pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    1

    Not pro censorship

    WCoast Jan,

    I am not pro-censorship, generally. But I certainly am when it comes to videos that are detrimental to public health, like videos promoting the idea that wearing face masks is infringing on their rights...I'd give them the boot.

    If people are arguing science from the point of complete ignorance and are allowed a platform that caters to billions? Nope....not buying the "live free or die" message promoted by some members here. Not now, not at such a crucial time, during a pandemic.

    If Chris Martenson can warn people he will give them the boot for using the term, "conspiracy theory," thereby supporting his own form of censorship, why is youtube wrong for deplatforming videos that threaten the common good.

    And yadayadayada about all of the reset, agenda this and agenda that. Maybe there is an 'evil agenda' using climate change and a pandemic as an excuse for large scale social change. I don't know and neither does anybody on this forum. You can suspect it all you want, but you are out of line when you finish your post with something about Amazon slave labor. What in Hell's half acre does that have to do with censoring quack videos promoting miracle cures, no masks, etc...which is what I was referring to?

    I have my own suspicions of how things work, agendas that appear to be playing out. I helped write a book slamming government and media entanglement and censorship, many years ago. I moved from the U.S. back to Canada because I could feel encroaching fascism. So do NOT lecture me.

    The U.S. is far closer to fascism now than ever before, due to rampant and incessant right wing propaganda on social media. They had a jump on the left in that arena, more money backing them, and they have a militaristic and street fighting mentality.

    Still, if Americans in vast numbers really want national fascism and want a platform to promote it, they should have it.

    My problem is simply a health issue and I see Chris's videos, unfortunately, as being caught up in some kind of Youtube sweep of quackery.

    I am angry that big pharma, distorts health care in so many ways. But I am not going to pop an artery over it. Nor am I going to point to any one individual who is caught up in it either directly or peripherally as 'evil,' when I don't know them or their intent.

    If anything is 'evil,' it is end stage capitalism on a finite planet, with capital consolidating and concentrating in the hands of the few.

     

     

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:30pm

    TammySue

    TammySue

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 13 2020

    Posts: 1

    0

    TammySue said:

    Is it possible to share this video on my Rumble?  I feel like it’s so important to get this message out.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:36pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    agitating prop said:

    I have not done sufficient fact-checking (and don't trust existing FB or USA Today "fact-checkers") but this certainly raises interesting arguments and might explain some of the odd behavior by these folks...I have seen zero media coverage of this issue which further raises my suspicions (although YT hasn't banned this yet).

    I would like to watch this, am interested in evidence of Fauci benefiting monetarily from the Pfizer vaccine. Is there any way it can be fact checked?  Those who head up WHO and CDC should not be able to hold any shares in any pharma company, nor hold mutual funds that have pharma companies in them.

    Their financial interests should be completely transparent.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:37pm

    Susan7

    Susan7

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 15 2020

    Posts: 210

    0

    Susan7 said:

    That same sign was up next to the goods when I bought it back in March. A month ago I went back and the sign was down. I have sent a few folks over to purchase it and they report no signage. Of course my store is in a fairly rural area but they are keeping up with the demand nicely.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:40pm

    drbrucedale

    drbrucedale

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Sep 06 2009

    Posts: 162

    8

    Of course there is evil

    Hi Mohammed:

    I usually find myself agreeing in whole or in part with you. Not this time. Of course there is evil. Of course.

    If there is no such thing as objective evil, then whatever I want to do is OK: no boundaries, no limits, no punishments and no consequences. If there is no moral law within me (thanks, Kant) then it is useless to appeal to the "better angels of our natures" as Lincoln pleaded at his first inaugural address with a nation about to tear itself apart in civil war.

    Without objective evil, we are just animals, dogs eating other dogs...and no amount of lecturing about what I should or should not do about anything at all is anything more than an empty noise.

    I am a Christian. I accept the Ten Commandments. I accept the Golden Rule, along with many other divinely-given laws. I do believe in a Day of Judgement during which I will answer for my behavior, especially for how I have treated the weak and the defenseless. Without an objective standard of good and evil, I am free to brutalize and exploit my fellow beings. Law of the jungle...and no other law.

    Even if I accepted your argument about Karma being the ruling force in the universe, often there would still need to be human agents to make Karma operative in the lives of people.  To me that looks a lot like "evil" receiving its just reward.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:42pm

    Susan7

    Susan7

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 15 2020

    Posts: 210

    0

    Susan7 said:

    In addition, they had big signs posted on the entry doors too back in March which are also gone. Maybe someone educated the manager? One can hope.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:45pm

    Beckett Bennett

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 114

    3

    Hi Mohammed

    One of the best things about me is my ability to have empathy and compassion for other people.

    "I understand you are emotionally triggered and ruled by your emotions rather than your rational mind (I assume you have one),"

    Oh an insult.

    "Complex thought processes are difficult for emotionally based humans. It is just much easier for them to react."

    Oh, another insult.  Actually, complex thought isn't hard at all.  I understand exactly what you are saying and think psychopaths, sociopaths and serial killers would completely agree with you.  Fortunately, I do not.

    Have a lovely holiday!

    AKGrannyWGrit

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:50pm

    Jim H

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Jun 08 2009

    Posts: 1617

    7

    Let's talk about dosing the apple flavored paste

    The only real concern I see as it regards the personal use of horse paste is dosing.  This has probably been discussed elsewhere but let's do it again.  I will be addressing this item;

     

    If you have an accurate scale, you can dose by weight of paste.  Otherwise you can approximate based on the horse weight scale (0-1250 lbs) that is incremented into the syringe.  Reading the box, we see that the paste has a total net weight of 0.21 oz (6.08 grams) and 1.87% of that is Ivermectin.  Understanding that human Ivermectin dosing recommendations are either in terms of mg/kg weight, or a fixed (often 12 mg) dose, we can thus calculate the total Ivermectin dose contained in the entire syringe as;

    6.08 grams x 1.87 %,  or 6.08 grams x 0.0187 = .1337 grams, or 133.7 milligrams.

    We can also calculate this differently considering that the box label states that there is enough Ivermectin in the tube to treat a 1250 lb horse at a dose rate of 91 micrograms/lb, which can be restated as 0.091 milligrams/lb.  Our sanity check math then is to see that 1250 lbs x 0.091 milligrams/lb = 113.75 milligrams Ivermectin... the same number!  So, we can be very confident that we understand the total Ivermectin content of the syringe.

    In this recently published study from Bangladesh, Ivermectin was given as a single, 12 mg dose, with very very good results.  I am not saying that this is the perfect dose, or that single dosing is the best approach.. just using this as an example of how to use horse paste;

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030028962030288X?via%3Dihub

    We realize that 12mg is approximately 1/10 of the entire tube, which contains 113.75 mg.  To the degree that we can trust the syringe to be accurate in lower dosing/first push dosing, one could set the stop (the white grommet can be set at any detent) at the 125 lb (horse dosing scale) and expect to get 1/10 of the tubes contents (125lb/1250lb) or ~ 11.4 mg as Ivermectin.  That's pretty close to the 12 mg dose we might want.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 1:21pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Evil by Degrees--Michael Stone on 'Most Evil"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekNfcGglNOQ

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 1:39pm

    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    13

    You really do not get it....

    I am not pro-censorship, generally. But I certainly am when it comes to videos that are detrimental to public health, like videos promoting the idea that wearing face masks is infringing on their rights...I'd give them the boot.

    If people are arguing science from the point of complete ignorance and are allowed a platform that caters to billions? Nope....not buying the "live free or die" message promoted by some members here. Not now, not at such a crucial time, during a pandemic.

    LOL! And just who the hell determines what gets the boot!?! You? My mom? My boss? My bank? My neighbour? Good lord, what you have said borders on the inane! Either you support free speech or you do not. There are no half measures here... It is just like with integrity - one cannot have 'a little' integrity. It is an all or nothing proposition. Either you have it or you do not. Free speech is free speech.

    I am not seeing anything at all I can buy into with you comments. Until you can provide me (we here at PP) with a solid data driven rebuttal to dispute the known and proven collusion that is going on by Fauci, Gates, DARPA, all the big tech outfits, the WEF, the big pharma industrial complex, the military industrial complex etc etc then I will just skip over your comments. It is abundantly clear to me you have not done any deep research into these things. There is a ton of easily accessible information in the alternative media world, solid investigative journalism by highly credible people - many of them Canadians to boot!

    Seriously, if you really want to persuade me or anyone else here to engage with you it will take far more than than asserting your thoughts. Give us something to make us further question that which most of us have already determined to be true. Convince us it is not true and that we are all wrong (I am dearly hoping we are!). That is the only way you are ever going to get any respect here.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 1:48pm

    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    6

    how patronizing...

    Mohammed: while you often make good comments here at PP, there are some, like this one, that I find to be tremendously patronizing. At times you give off an air of intellectual superiority that undermines the other decent contributions you tend to make. I find this type of comment to be unhelpful in what we are trying to accomplish here.

    I know Granny can stick up for herself and is certainly not afraid to ruffle feathers - which is needed at times here at PP to prevent this from becoming an echo chamber. I think it important for her to know some people get and support what she has to say. Most can do so without trying to shoot her down as you have done here.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 1:52pm

    Pappy

    Pappy

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Jun 29 2020

    Posts: 229

    5

    C-SPAN for Dr. Kory's testimony - straight to the source

    One of the things I found frustrating was the removal of almost all reposts on YouTube from the senate hearing last week.

    The one that remained was a Fox clip, which doesn't suit my purposes well in convincing my left leaning associates. I care about their lives not their politics, but I can't deny the strength that little Fox logo has on making Blue constituents react, the same way CNN and MSNBC make my Red friends react.

    So I just starting liking straight to C-SAPN's website where all government broadcasts are archived:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?507035-1/medical-response-covid-19&live=

     

    Screw Alphabet and their censoring.  I know it's not an app on your phone, but the link opens automatically in a browser anyway, so...

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 2:48pm

    Beckett Bennett

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 114

    1

    Free Speech - can cost you your life

    Listen to Ribert Kiyosaki talk about how his life was threatened if he talked about vaccines.

    Also on 12-8-2020 a past Merk rep turned anti-vaccine leader was murdered after repeated breakins and harrassment.

    https://www.brighteon.com/b9bed3b3-817b-4674-8ef3-e90639d6a349

    Freedom is not free.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 3:04pm

    Beckett Bennett

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 114

    0

    Just in case you thought things couldn’t get weirder

    The attached video evaluates the ugly, new age, possibly demonic depecting 2020 nativity scene at the Vatican.  Warning - christian discussion and the lords prayer in latin.

    https://www.brighteon.com/b9bed3b3-817b-4674-8ef3-e90639d6a349

    Might be of interest for any Christians here.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 3:10pm

    robie robinson

    robie robinson

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Aug 25 2009

    Posts: 1187

    0

    Evil is nothing more than a good carried...

    ...to far. Our best intentions,if carried too far become evil. We are, of most people,miserable .

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 3:31pm

    CleanEnergyFan

    Status: Member

    Joined: Jan 29 2012

    Posts: 129

    2

    WEF Partners...dont see any small business on that list

    Interesting that one of the biggest shifts caused by the Pandemic has been to shift business from small local businesses to the big multi-nationals...I saw ZERO representation of small business (or even free markets) in that list of WEF sponsors...surely that was just accidental.  Folks we need to get some free-market money now (BTC, Eth, PMs) before these globalists mandate Central Bank Digital Currencies that will give the central planners the power they always dreamed of.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 3:44pm

    EddieLarry

    EddieLarry

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Jul 04 2020

    Posts: 174

    1

    Yes! Evil and good are judgments we make

    M. I agree with you that good and evil are not things.  We read in the paper about sone heinous crimes and say, “That’s an example of evil.”  Those crimes existed, they were crimes.  But good and evil is merely judgment about things that happen.

    You then said, “Evil is a subjective construct of the human mind.”

    I just wanted to add that everything we say is a subjective construct of the human mind.  IMO, that would include the concept of Karma.

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 4:10pm

    Mohammed Mast

    Mohammed Mast

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: May 17 2017

    Posts: 1464

    1

    Hi Bruce

    Yes you of course would disagree with me as would a fish who was told there was something other than water. You are a Christian so you are imprinted with good and evil, satan and god etc. As I told Granny you either get it or you don't based on a subjective view or an objective view. Cannibalism is perfectly acceptable in certain cultures. It is "good" . That is a subjective view. In your culture it is evil. Also subjective.

    As for Karma it is  basic Judeo/Christian concept. Surprised you would question it. "An ey for an eye". You and pretty much everyone is being triggered by my statements. Morality is cultural. That is an anthropological fact. Actions are governed by the prevailing cultural mores. That is a fact. Is it objectively moral to kill someone? Yes? what about the death penalty? What about the US destroying Libya and many other countries around the world? Those are actions that precipitate  "reactions" . That is the law of Karma. One once past the age of reason generally would not walk up to someone and punch them. Why? Culturally they have learned that the action will cause an equal and opposite reaction.

    Bill Gates, Fauci, Joe Biden, Obomba, Klaus etc are not evil. They are doing what they think is "good" . It is simply that their actions will bring a corresponding reaction. That my friend is the ultimate law of the objective Universe.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 4:13pm

    robie robinson

    robie robinson

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Aug 25 2009

    Posts: 1187

    1

    The bigotry of modernity includes

    the idea that an ideology or technology, by virtue of its recentness, must be better!

    “The truth is that evil is not a real thing at all, like God. It is simply good spoiled. That is why I say there can be good without evil, but no evil without good. You know what the biologists mean by a parasite—an animal that lives on another animal. Evil is a parasite. It is there only because good is there for it to spoil and confuse.” C.S. Lewis

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 4:28pm

    Mohammed Mast

    Mohammed Mast

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: May 17 2017

    Posts: 1464

    1

    Ivermectin in India

    https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/oct/23/change-in-covid-19-treatment-protocolivermectin-drug-not-to-be-usedicmr-issues-advisory-on-felud-2214115.html

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 4:29pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    So sorry I questioned you, Jan

    am not seeing anything at all I can buy into with you comments. Until you can provide me (we here at PP) with a solid data driven rebuttal to dispute the known and proven collusion that is going on by Fauci, Gates, DARPA, all the big tech outfits, the WEF, the big pharma industrial complex, the military industrial complex etc etc then I will just skip over your comments.-- West Coast Jan

    Oh Lord, Free speech absolutism. Look at it another way. Who determines what porn is? And please don't respond that it's self evident. To a lot of people, it's not. Call it community standards. One of the media standards should be deplatform videos that do serious harm. And...it should be clear and unequivocal that harm is being done.

    As for your other comments regarding oligarchic control. Yeah. I get that. Have been reading and writing about it for years.  I commented that I thought there were other explanations for Fauci and Gate's behavior other than 'evil' motivations.

    What if Fauci turned to big pharma companies to fund research because the U.S. has defunded public health for decades? Let's take that a step further. When the CDC ends up failing, or turn to big pharma for funding through partnerships,  people point to Fauci and slam him for procedural incompetence. The only thing that seems to work efficiently is the big pharma part. Hmm...curious.

    Now, would you say it's the hard right that is now benefiting from all of the hatred and suspicion of the CDC? And what if the CDC was pushed  into this position, in the first place. by the right wing zeitgeist that private industry always does everything better than government?

    If you are so enamored of free speech as an absolute, you must be pro- Tutsi massacre in Rwanda, which was almost directly the result of Hutu's on public radio broadcasts telling their fellow Hutus to grab their machetes and massacre the Tutsi minority. It was free speech, correct?

    Or how about the first Facebook near genocide...that of the Rohinga's of Burma?

    Any attempts to invoke peer pressure by telling me I have to justify my opinions, (with data) not just to you but all forum members goes nowhere with me. And how exactly do I provide data on Bill Gate's and Fauci's intent?

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 4:39pm

    MarkM

    MarkM

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Jul 22 2008

    Posts: 575

    0

    or

    If you are so enamored of free speech as an absolute, you must be pro- Tutsi massacre in Rwanda, which was almost directly the result of Hutu's on public radio broadcasts telling their fellow Hutus to grab their machetes and massacre the Tutsi minority. It was free speech, correct?

    George Bush saying, " You are either with us or against us" to promote the slaughter of people that posed no threat to this country.

    Or maybe Condoleezza Rice, "But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 4:57pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    With Us or Against Us.

    Not quite the same, as Bush wasn't saying, "Go kill your neighbors, like right now." What he was saying was horrible but needed to be heard to get a handle on what was coming and how one could possibly protest against it.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 5:52pm

    Beckett Bennett

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 114

    5

    Usually I just let you have the last word Mohammed

    "Yes you of course would disagree with me as would a fish who was told there was something other than water."     So Bruce is as bright as a fish?

    "You are a Christian so you are imprinted with good and evil, satan and god etc."

       There are many beliefs in Christanity and you know what Bruce's beliefs are?

    "As I told Granny you either get it or you don't based on a subjective view or an objective view. Cannibalism is perfectly acceptable in certain cultures. It is "good" . That is a subjective view. In your culture it is evil. Also subjective."

     And now you can speak for cannibals, you know that all cannibals think cannibalism is "good"?  Really, it could be cannibals think a whole lot of different things, like cannabilusm is necessary, unfortunate or maybe they are brain damaged and don't think at all.  But we should believe you know what cannibals think.  I am impressed.

    "Morality is cultural. That is an anthropological fact. Actions are governed by the prevailing cultural mores. That is a fact."

    Wow, more - I am right - statements!  You mean its part of the/our western prevailing cultural norm to have human trafficing, slavery, intentional crulalty, and a whole host of other evil activities.  That may be the norm in your community and culture but not mine.

    "Bill Gates, Fauci, Joe Biden, Obomba, Klaus etc are not evil. They are doing what they think is "good" . It is simply that their actions will bring a corresponding reaction. That my friend is the ultimate law of the objective Universe."

    There you go again Mohammed, how do you KNOW what Fauci, Biden or anyone else is thinking?  The ultimate law of the objective universe says you cannot KNOW what other people are thinking!  Perhaps you can interpret their actions and therefore can surmise their thoughts. Maybe, but people can fool you.

    Psychopaths can get pleasure from hurting people but also be charming, funny, engaging and adept at fooling people.  And good actors get paid millions to fool you - it's called acting and movies are popular.

    Why is it you are so desperste to prove you are right and the rest of us are wrong?

    It's as though you are trying to gaslight us to say there is no evil and then insult people who do not agree with you.  The message is you are right and we are wrong.  To say there is no evil is tanamount to giving blanket permission to do whatever one wants because everything is subjective.  I suspect you have never had an up-close and personal encounter with evil.  Obviously, or you wouldn't be so desperate to have your opinion be deemed the right one.

    AKGrannyWGrit

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 5:58pm

    wotthecurtains

    wotthecurtains

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Feb 27 2020

    Posts: 882

    1

    Ivermectin in India

    @Mohammed Mast

    Uh oh.   Those wondering how far the US will go to stop Ivermectin are about to find out.   If it works in India then India must not use it.   Problem solved for the NiH et al.

     

    When you separate the horrible actions of sociopaths/psychopaths from the human toll there's almost a humor in it.   I heard this joke long ago but it was supposedly a test psychologists used to identify sociopaths:

     

    A woman's mother dies and at the funeral she meets the man of her dreams but he leaves before she gets his name.   What does she have to do in order to see him again?

     

    Answer:   Murder her father and hope the man shows up at that funeral.

     

    Ba-Boom-tissss..

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 6:03pm

    Susan7

    Susan7

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 15 2020

    Posts: 210

    0

    Susan7 said:

    So 12 mg would be .608 grams by weight? Probably a dumb question but I need to know.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 6:11pm

    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    6

    Okay, let's dance! Porn vs. WEF

    First point: sorry, porn is not an apt comparison to the shit that is going down globally, as per the WEF agenda. I did not see porn in their stuff anywhere, altho' the way Klaus et all are thinking, not only will they print us new organs, they will print us sex dolls, vibrators, and babies too, and no one need ever suffer from sexual depravity, no matter one's proclivities or inclinations............. no worries. Be happy! Own nothing and be fulfilled, no matter what rocks your boat! (but do be mindful of those social credit scores that are based on tracking everything you do.... Relax though, have another legal doobie (well at least here in Canada) and get it on! Oh wait, can my webcam see me lighting up while I view that awesome (choose your fantasy) scene?

    Seriously... to address your question: Porn is so very subjective, what is porn to one is erotica to another. I really do not care what goes on in that sphere. It is the one place where I see apt use for the dismissive word 'whatever'. So, whatever....... if it floats your boat and has nothing to do with me, I do not care what anyone does.

    I could not give a flying fig what anyone, anywhere does in terms of consensual sex and sexuality. My line in the sand is non-consensual exploitation of vulnerable people: minors, the disenfranchised... you know, the one's who Epstein and his fellow deploreables like Bill Clinton, love to prey on (why the MSM is not all over that story is beyond pathetic...) (and why Hilary condones it and is complicit, vastly more pathetic and disgusting.)

    It is also irrelevant to the discussion at hand, since porn is not causing untold millions to lose their lives, their livelihoods, their homes, their place in society. It is definitely enriching the producers...  I do think it is contributing to the moral decay of society. But as distasteful as it may be to some, it is not ruining lives on a massive, global scale the way the WEF and its cronies are and plan to do.

    Porn is not contributing to the deliberate hiding of proven medical drugs/therapies that, as Chris and others here have proven with data, save lives and prevent death from Covid. Porn is not causing the military in countless countries, including Canada, prepare to deliver and enforce vaccinations.

    You say 'how can I prove intent of Fauci, Gates et al'. Okay, fair game. Let's say all that we have uncovered (which is A LOT, and I do not think you have read a smidgen of.... in spite of saying you have contributed to some books (can we have the titles/links so we can read?) is what we can call call exceedingly strong circumstantial evidence. Strong enough that I am willing to buy into it. Strong enough to know this stinks to high heaven, and my life - how I live my life - is at stake.

    Porn is not a threat to my life or livelihood. The Great Reset is.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 7:16pm

    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    0

    PS...

    I would encourage you to read this article, and if you have time other related articles on the website of this remarkable man, who is definitely of the esoteric mindset, and, proudly, Canadian

    https://philosophyofmetrics.com/the-massacre-of-protestant-rwanda/

    You may just start to see things in a different light - the way I did after following this guy for many years. Amazing analysis with borne out predictions...

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 7:23pm

    Mohammed Mast

    Mohammed Mast

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: May 17 2017

    Posts: 1464

    0

    ROTFLMAO Granny

    I guess I am right about you being emotionally driven and easily triggered.

    "One of the best things about me is my ability to have empathy and compassion for other people."

    This is what you posted above. WOW! Why am I not experiencing all this empathy and compassion you are so proud of?

    I find that people who spend a lot of time talking about other people don't exhibit a lot of introspection. You may try it.

    "

    "There is no such thing as EVIL."

    As a mother, grandmother, and an empathetic and compassionate person my response is "that's a load of bullshit"!  You can try to justify, explain and rationalize all you want but it will not change the fact that evil does exists.

    I could provide vivid and detailed examples but I won't as they would fall on indifferent ears.  To declare vehemently that evil does not exist and those who agree show their lack of empathy and compassion for those who have been eggregiously harmed by evil people and evil acts.  What a callus and cruel argument.

    Unfortunately, there is often a lack of compassion, caring and empathy on this site.

    AKGrannyWGrit

    So this was your response to my post. I am feeling more and more empathy and compassion by the minute. I really do feel the love. LOL

    You accuse me of stating things and acting superior  and your fan club like jan jump on the bandwagon while you as stated above "it will not change the fact that evil does exists." I actually use well known anthropological facts about how "evil" is a cultural artifact and you make an assertion. Know it all much?

    Then the thing that really tickles me is when you play victim. You are really quite good at it. AT has pointed that out in the past.

    The icing on the cake is this one, "As a mother, grandmother, and an empathetic and compassionate person my response is "that's a load of bullshit"!

    The cognitive dissonance is priceless. You are absolutely triggered by my post , you go hyper emotional and are clearly rude in saying what I posted is "a load of bullshit" then go on to let the world know how compassionate and empathetic you are. Yep that is how empathetic, compassionate , rational people respond.

    Here is a little entertainment for you. One of my faves Mr. Eric Clapton. Oh and do have a very happy holidays.





     

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 8:22pm

    Beckett Bennett

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 114

    1

    ROTFLAMO?

    That must be code speak for something but at this point I do not want to know.

    This banter must be getting tiresome for everyone so we should agree to disagree.

    "you go hyper emotional and are clearly rude in saying what I posted is "a load of bullshit"

    Yes, my response to the statement that, there is no evil, that I think that's "a load of bullshit".  However, you were triggered by that and clearly took that as rude.  When, in fact, it was your choice to be offended.I like Eric Clapton and if you would fix the link I would be happy to listen to him.

    AKGrannyWGrit

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 8:57pm

    Time2help

    Time2help

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 08 2011

    Posts: 2486

    4

    #Happens

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 8:59pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Thanks for response, Jan

    My point Jan, is that porn, as far as I know, has always been censored on Youtube and people never had a hairy fit about it. But there are a whole lot of people who want their anti-mask videos and their "covid is not a virus," videos to remain on Youtube.

    So porn, which you state is not particularly harmful, is forbidden on Youtube and you are okay with that, I presume?

    Because you are saying free speech is free speech and integrity is integrity etc...and there are no grey areas? Correct? So maybe it would be better if you could define what free speech means to you.

    The discussion is about free speech, remember. Feel free to deviate. It's a bit hard for me to follow when things go to far off track but I can try.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 9:14pm

    FooBarr

    FooBarr

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Oct 21 2010

    Posts: 128

    7

    I just dialed the oral injector to the nearest 25 lbs on the locking ring for my body weight.

    I gave it a try after checking in with a veterinarian relative.  They use it all the time and didn't know it had anti-viral properties, so I emailed her with a bunch of links.  A day letter she replied back after some research and said it's pretty safe, other than known rare-problems with dogs having seizures.

    The tube had some air at the end of it and when you set the plunger lock to zero you'll still get a small amout to come out, (maybe a dose for 25-75lbs).  That was my first lick.  Second lick a day later was set at 200lbs.  Third lick for 200# on day 5 with no issues.  Later that day the Mrs saddled me up and took me for a ride, all is good.

    Mr Ed

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 12:27am

    David Henry

    David Henry

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Sep 20 2019

    Posts: 129

    6

    Japan and news from other countries

    I haven't been watching Japanese news recently in Japanese but speak the language and was curious what the media-sphere thought of Ivermectin in Japan. Especially after hearing that the precursor for the drug was found by a Japanese scientist, Omura Satoshi, and then refined by a western scientist, William Campell.

    I started with wikipedia, and notably wikipedia in English was basically negative about Ivermectin for Corona virus treatment, but wikipedia in Japanese noted 3 examples of its efficaciousness and suggested that Omura was pursuing permission to use it more widely (although this was from back in the spring). Looking at news online I found an interview with Omura just 3 days ago with a moderately big news organization (NTV) in which he was touting it.

    Corona rates in Japan are a fraction of what they are in the US, but they are on the rise there. So I'm wondering if Japan will start using Ivermectin more broadly since the data clearly supports it.

    In a larger sense, I'm wondering how long the US mediasphere can remain isolated from the reports from the rest of the world that this drug is working.

    I believe Mots is in Japan? (and any others? I'm in Alaska now so kind of cut off)

    I'd be interested to hear what people outside the US are seeing, especially in non-English speaking countries and non-English language media. Especially since much of the rest of the world seems to be handling Corona better than the US both in terms of therapeutics as well as infections and deaths.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 3:08am

    Mots

    Mots

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Jun 18 2012

    Posts: 516

    3

    news from other countries

    Hi Dave
    I have the same questions about ivermectin in Japan.
    Here are some observations:
    1. covid infection rate is 50-100 x less
    a. people take deep responsibility not to breathe in each others space and even wiping your nose in a public is a no-no here.  For ex. I used to wear a mask in public transport only because I have severe allergies and people freak out when I sneeze.
    b. Accurate voluntary contact tracing with hand washing and voluntary but virtually complete mask wearing seems to be the reason for low infections. It is against the law to force people to wear masks or to mandate a vaccine injection here but personal responsibility to avoid harm to others is paramount.

    The government cares deeply about business and employment and has been pushing people to go to restaurants and to travel with significant rebate vouchers for both activities.  I have gone out to eat in my town more this year than ever before (rebates are typically 5$) and sometimes cannot get into a crowded restaurant.  Often no customers are wearing masks in the restaurant, which kind of bothers me, but masks are universally used in all other public spaces.

    Most hospitals do not accept covid patients, who have to go to special covid hospitals. As far as I can tell they are following America and prescribe remdesivir in treatment but not the effective drugs since they are plugged into the American corporate machine somehow.  Yet, basic medical treatments dramatically differ from those in America, and great effort is made to avoid the toxic drugs used in America.  Fujifilm is fighting like hell to get its antiviral avigan approved (it reduces recovery time a little bit and causes birth defects I understand).

    News articles reported that Satoshi Omura who pioneered ivermectin is doing a clinical study on covid&ivermectin starting in May.  A more recent article in Japanese indicates that this is underway. 北里大、新型コロナに対するイベルメクチンの治験の詳細が ... (nikkeibp.co.jp)

    I will ask a contact who works with clinicians if it is possible to find out anything pre-publication.....

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 3:53am

    VeganDB12

    VeganDB12

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Jul 18 2008

    Posts: 278

    1

    data nerds-FDA report on the Pfizer vaccine (lots of numbers)

    for those interested.   https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download?fbclid=IwAR1tRTihXdJgjda-P0o3CSknzgh9LzGe3OZJ_CqA30NntpFoPX3552cV3Nc

    This is a little above my pay grade but perhaps people are interested.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 4:49am

    Oliveoilguy

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 29 2012

    Posts: 1317

    0

    Pfizer Vaccine report doesn’t tell what’s in Placebo

    After skimming/reading the report a couple of times I couldn’t find any specifics on what substance was used in the placebo arm. Seems relevant. I did find one AE (adverse event) due to a traffic accident.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 7:29am

    drbrucedale

    drbrucedale

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Sep 06 2009

    Posts: 162

    7

    Spreading the Word about Ivermectin

    Dear PP Tribe:

    I have written a short post on Medium (thanks, Mohammed for your suggestion about that platform) featuring Chris's recent video about ivermectin. You might find the post useful as you try to help others learn about ivermectin.  In addition to the video, the post contains some additional information that you and your friends/loved ones may also find useful.

    Here is the link:

    https://drbrucedale.medium.com/while-we-wait-for-a-vaccine-cd6ad2b0b6fd

    I receive no compensation for any visits to my post. I am just trying to help...like so many of the folks here.  It is an honor and a pleasure to associate with you.

    Bruce

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 7:43am

    westcoastjan

    westcoastjan

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 04 2012

    Posts: 1123

    9

    One last comment...

    This is my last reply to you, Agitating Prop, on this matter. From what you have said all I can deduce is that you clearly do not believe in free speech without caveats.

    It does not and cannot possibly work that way. The moment caveats of any kind are attached, it is no longer free speech. It becomes moderated speech. Who gets to call the shots - who are the assigned 'free speech moderators'? How are the free speech moderators appointed? By whom? Why? What is in it for the appointees? The appointers? What biases, conscious or not, do they have? What agendas, hidden or not, do they have? What belief systems, recognized or not, do they hold?

    Since it is impossible to eliminate bias in humans, it is impossible to have unbiased free speech moderators. We must therefore have unfettered free speech. We can absolutely hate what someone says, but they have the right to say it. We have the right to ignore it. But we do not have the right to stop them from saying it.

    I used to believe that hate speech can incite people to violence.  I believe that has been upheld in the Supreme Court of Canada and people in this country have been convicted of hate crimes on that basis. I have on this site complained to the moderators about things I found to be offensive. After pondering this deeply for a long time, I came to the conclusion that, as someone said in the comments above, people make their own choices about how they are going to respond to something. Even in a mob, even under peer pressure which can exert tremendous influence on actions in the heat of the moment, the willingness to participate / not participate, or to ignore / not ignore what was said or done, is ultimately up to each individual. What they choose to do, and whatever decision they make, is on them alone, and only them. No matter what is said or done, ultimately each person's actions / reactions are their own.

    The problem as I see it lay in the fact that people and societies have evolved away from a willingness to take any personal accountability for what they say or do. To conduct themselves with integrity. It is far, far easier and more convenient to always blame someone or something else when things go wrong. They made me do it.... they incited me to do it.... the mob influenced me! This is an endemic problem.

    Brene Brown nailed it when she talked about how we have evolved to de-humanize people, and how we need to re-humanize them. To really see them, try to understand them, and to listen to what they have to say. To treat everyone well and respectfully.

    The problem is that the 'free speech moderators' you are seemingly a fan of, are not allowing that to happen because they are agenda driven and have a their own take on free speech - anything that goes against their agenda must be stifled. When 'they' do not allow Chris / PP to spread the word that there are proven life saving remedies to counter-act Covid, that are cost effective and readily available, they are de-humanizing a significant portion of the global population. When they own the media that promotes lies that support their agendas, when they purposely allow millions upon millions to die and suffer significant financial and economic pain, they are de-humanizing us further. I could go on...............

    Your beliefs are your own and it is not my place to convince you to change them. All I can do is ask you to do as I have done and deeply ponder exactly what free speech means to you, your community, your society, and let that guide your belief system.

    The end goal, for all of us, as I see it, is global re-humanization.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 7:44am

    DennisC

    DennisC

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Mar 19 2011

    Posts: 344

    1

    Placebo

    I found a reference on page 12, Table 1, "placebo:saline".

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 8:53am

    wannabe_cantillionaire

    wannabe_cantillionaire

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Dec 10 2020

    Posts: 28

    2

    wannabe_cantillionaire said:

    I lived in Japan for awhile, some of my observations...

    Obesity doesn't exist and their diets are very healthy. (They actually have stricter BMI measurements than the states)

    Whenever they return home, they remove their shoes, wash their hands, and gargle.

    Mask wearing throughout the winter months is ubiquitous, many wear masks throughout these months even if they are not sick.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 10:28am

    Matt Holbert

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Oct 03 2008

    Posts: 125

    10

    Matt Holbert said:

    You can bet that Clinton, Bush, and Obama will be getting an injection of saline...

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 10:55am

    jturbo68

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Aug 04 2009

    Posts: 270

    2

    Morality for the Secular Humanists

     

    The Secular Humanist would suggest that there is no objective morality or evil.

    However,   once once a culture decides that human well being is an important outcome, then the objective becomes to measure well being and iterate behavior/laws and cultural norms to maximize well being.

    Then continue measuring and adjusting with the goal of maximizing well being now and into the future.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 1:25pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    0

    Jan,

    Jan,

    I really don't know who you are addressing in your post. I am not an advocate of censorship.

    Again, you have conflated my remarks about the value of banning quack videos that promote ridiculous claims and Chris's video, which, I feel, was unfairly banned. I explained what I thought the reasons for this were.

    You say that people are not susceptible to mob mentality, that personal 'integrity' can overcome that reaction? Then why do you appeal to it, when asking me to explain myself not just to you but 'we', PP members? How is that not appealing to something akin to a mob?

    How does your admitted complaining to moderators on the forum here, align with your beliefs about free speech? By your own response, we can choose how we respond, correct? When you go beyond that and complain about somebody to the mods, have you not applied caveats to your own definition of free speech?

    If you wish to respond back, please do it through PM. I have no desire to tie up this thread with repetition, which was required in my responses to you, but is really irksome for other members to scroll through.

    Thank you,

    AP

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 1:35pm

    gkcjrrt

    gkcjrrt

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 20 2016

    Posts: 65

    2

    No objective morality means: Might makes Right

    "However,   once once a culture decides that human well being is an important outcome, then the objective becomes to measure well being and iterate behavior/laws and cultural norms to maximize well being.

    Then continue measuring and adjusting with the goal of maximizing well being now and into the future."

    "

    Well that's the rub is it not?  Who defines well being?  Some technocrat?  Some college professor?  Hollywood?  And now big tech.    The monumental shifts in the culture of the U.S. has  not been some organically driven  "good for all" but an orchestrated attempt to destroy western civilization - which finds its roots in Greek thought, Roman law  and Christian ethic.

    No objective morality means no objective truth which means, as Thrasymachus said: "Truth is the opinion of the Powerful"

    I suggest the evidence is overwhelming:  Truth is now what FB, Twitter, Youtube, at the  direction of Soros, Gates, Schwab, the ADL, etc say it is.

     

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 2:00pm

    jturbo68

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Aug 04 2009

    Posts: 270

    1

    So, lets say 'we' choose Might makes Right as a society.

    Then we work to measure if human wellness improves under that model.

    Then, presuming that doesnt work out very well ... we develop better data and measurements and experiments and go where they lead.

    I dont perceive that there is any other way.

    Indeed ... this seems to be the Chris Martenson method.   Look for data,  act upon it, and then measure and work for more good data.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 3:33pm

    gkcjrrt

    gkcjrrt

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 20 2016

    Posts: 65

    1

    B/c "might makes right" as a general principle is inherently contradictory to human well being

    Are "unalienable rights" real or are they a fiction?  Does no objective morality  means that there are no such things as unalienable rights?

    This basic principle on which liberty was proclaimed and defined in the Declaration of Independence is the only thing that stands between the freedom of the common person to live and think according to her nature, and the powerful dictating to her how to live - all justified by the "well being of all".

    If we can't agree on such a principle, I'm afraid we're not going to get very far in a dialectical approach.

    As to data, what data measures human well being?

    Have you ever read Brave New World?    Lots of apparent "well being" there, but not my idea of it.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 3:48pm

    Beckett Bennett

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 114

    0

    Jkcjrrt

    Well said!

    Jturbo68

    Slave ship owners in the 1700's most likely considered the wellbeing of their cargo.  Do they have a heartbeat and are they breathing?

    "Indeed ... this seems to be the Chris Martenson method.   Look for data,  act upon it, and then measure and work for more good data."

    You forget that Chris questions people's motives and when an entity does not seem reputable the data should be treated with skepticism. (Lancet study?) WHO?

    AKGrannyWGrit

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 4:36pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    1

    No objective morality

    Very interesting dialogue about morality. It has been a pleasure to read. Morality and freedom are concepts that are fraught with paradox, so it is lovely to see it handled with the delicacy that is required.

    The paradoxes can't be neatly reconciled, so require dynamism in perception of reality itself.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 6:09pm

    jturbo68

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Aug 04 2009

    Posts: 270

    2

    Developing real well being, how can it be done?

    jkcjrrt, granny,

    I suppose there was a time when it was a an improvement in morality to simply enslave a person versus genociding them out of existence.   Biblical morality would appear to represent this level of moral understanding, as an example.

    Owning slaves for your own profit hardly seems like a good stopping point in the development of morality, however.

    A decent tool to use when trying to decide upon a path toward improved well being, might go like this:

    If I were born, and would have a 50% chance of being a slave or a master, is there an obvious choice as to which I would prefer.    Clearly slavery is wrong at a basic level as the answer is blindingly clear.

    Lets choose another example.   Suppose a strange virus is sweeping the country and world, and ones society sincerely held an  individuals right to stay alive an be health in high regard.     Would that society collectively favor a persons well being over an individuals freedom to not be bothered with a mask.   The answer still appears obvious.  Which society would you prefer to be born into?

    Seemingly we dont take seriously the well being of others, particularly in the US.   We substitute economic growth and profit for well being.  Now that perpetual growth is failing the  story of our city, built on a hill, is faltering as well.

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 6:20pm

    Quercus bicolor

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Mar 19 2008

    Posts: 1013

    7

    inalienable rights are only real because we make them so.

    We humans are just one species in a complex web of life on a planet that is a tiny speck in a huge universe.  Reality doesn't really care whether our morals or values align with some definition of what is best.

    With that said, we humans can decide what we value and work towards a society that aligns with those values.  If those values don't support a thriving community, we can stick stubbornly to them as our community fails, we can reevaluate, or, worse yet, we can go crazy with the stress of it and run everything off the rails with whatever crazy ideas grab us.

    Along those same lines, nature doesn't really care about the individual or even a single species as much as it cares about the viability of the whole web.  It regularly lets individuals or entire species become compost if that is their highest use for the big picture.

    Of course, we humans, as prone to hubris as we can be, can delude ourselves into thinking we're as wise as the entire system.  You can see the mess we've made all around us with our misguided attempts at glory.  History books are chock full of stories about the harm we've done to each other because of we thought we could play god.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 12:10am

    TheSnakeMan

    TheSnakeMan

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 15 2020

    Posts: 1

    4

    Well said, Doc!

    It is indeed here. Sadly, I’ve seen people that I never thought would modify their position do exactly that. In some cases it is driven by fear and media spin, and other times by complacency and fear of ridicule. Everyone needs a “team” to belong to, and said team needs to be “the good guys.” Worse yet, so few have the courage to look at complex issues and admit that they just don’t know. 2020 has been the year of self-bestowed degrees in both virology and political science.

    Sadly, in a real way, war has been declared on any displays of free thought. Orwell’s remains have become a rotisserie with all that turning.

    Thanks for all your insights. I’m a longtime viewer, but a first time poster.

    Cheers, all! Be well.
    - J.B.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 8:14am

    tbp

    tbp

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Apr 12 2020

    Posts: 1113

    2

    agitating_prop's self-harming perception

    @agitating prop
    Another thing I want to make clear for those who think I am on the attack. I was merely explaining to Chris that social media is very nervous at the moment and that his videos have been wrongly equated with all of the insane covid videos they have likely scrubbed by now.

    The "insane covid videos" are primarily the ones that are just like Chris'. But you're so _______ (fill in the blank and feel insulted) that you somehow believe their lies that there are "dangerous" people out there spreading false information leading to harmful effects... more harmful than directly causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people by suppressing any and all effective treatments, apparently.

    Never have I seen a bigger load of garbage than what has been on Youtube with regards this illness. So much quackery catering to so many pitiful examples of the Dunning Kruger effect.

    EXAMPLES? You keep claiming this but have provided zero examples except for masks. Have any of them caused the deaths of a single person, much less hundreds of thousands like your mind-controllers have caused, whom you are an apologist for?

    All of the hysteria around masks created a youtube cottage industry of 'rebels and rugged iconoclasts' bullhorning their way to their 15 minutes of fame. And what did it accomplish? A whole lot of sick people. And if that isn't a form of violence, I don't know what is.

    That is an insane and completely false claim. Pretty much nobody has died from lack of using masks (except early on when it was your mind-controllers who were denying their usefulness), but HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS continue to die from suppression of all effective cures. You really should take an honest, deep, inward look at who it is that you are defending.

    Obviously, you yourself have nothing interesting to say, as you will conform to every aspect of the enslaving narrative they're feeding you, and parrot whatever they tell you. You've never been censored by them yet, because nothing you'd ever say would significantly contradict their narrative.

    Don't be a kneeler, agitating prop:





    The U.S. is far closer to fascism now than ever before, due to rampant and incessant right wing propaganda on social media. They had a jump on the left in that arena, more money backing them, and they have a militaristic and street fighting mentality.

    HAHAHAHA, yeah sure, the world is upside-down. The people who control your mind are the left-wing AND right-wing legacy media and propaganda on social media. You are the one promoting fascism, as you no doubt believe antifa are anti-fascists rather than a fascist paramilitary force.

    YOU are exemplifying the Dunning-Kruger effect! You refuse to believe evil can come from "authority" figures in spite of all historical precedent and even when it's staring you in the face, and prefer to defend the indefensible and believe their claims that they are defending you from other "evils", which clearly aren't a thousandth of their evil.

    If that isn't PATHETIC SLAVE BEHAVIOR, what would be?

    If you feel INSULTED, you SHOULD be feeling that way, but not because of what we're pointing out to you, but rather because you've allowed them to MIND-CONTROL you to their point of turning you into a willing SLAVE, so be smart and redirect your anger to where it belongs and to productive ends (which is not accepting their censorship of any and all cures along with allegedly harmful info that you believe caused "a whole lot of sick people" which even if true is 1000x less harm than theirs). Your behaviour, as someone who presents himself as clued-in, is OUTRAGEOUS and truly indefensible. You're the kind that would've defended Stalin against the "mentally ill" political prisoners reeducation camp members... because they're "defending" you against the evil of these mentally ill people (or as you called them, the "cottage industry of 'rebels and rugged iconoclasts' bullhorning their way to their 15 minutes of fame").

    But there are a whole lot of people who want their anti-mask videos and their "covid is not a virus," videos to remain on Youtube.

    Those people are still much closer to the truth than the official narrative, and they aren't causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people... but let's allow the billionaire coastal elite class to control all information because maybe some idiot denying the existence of the virus or the effectiveness of masks may cause some harm to someone... makes sense!

    But you believe your defense of censorship (of yourself as well, if you ever deviate slightly from their narrative) is within integrity???

    Hey @Mohammed Mast, their agenda includes the idea of moral relativism and Social Darwinism, essentially the claim that there is no objective difference between good and evil, yet this can clearly be defined unambiguously... Researcher and ponerologist Mark Passio does a tremendous job at exploring and defining this:

    And this misunderstanding/misperception/ignorance of good and evil is what leads to order-followers and all major historical atrocities:





    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 10:51am

    Mary59

    Mary59

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Feb 09 2020

    Posts: 182

    0

    The Original Course in Miracles -

    http://stobblehouse.com/text/ACIM.pdf

    There is no good and evil, there is only fear and love.  This is the premise of the 1975 Course in Miracles.

    If anyone has not yet taken a look at the original Course in Miracles here is the link to it.

    To me, this original text is best as opposed to others who have interpreted it.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 10:58am

    Mary59

    Mary59

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Feb 09 2020

    Posts: 182

    0

    Rugged Mature Iconoclast has no need for 15 minutes of fame--already had mine in 1986.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 12:14pm

    agitating prop

    agitating prop

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: May 28 2009

    Posts: 849

    1

    TBP

    Triggered? If so, please refrain from responding to my posts. Just ignore them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXvQMfKjuC8

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 1:11pm

    davefairtex

    davefairtex

    Status: Member

    Joined: Sep 03 2008

    Posts: 2780

    6

    if only

    If only we had the "ignore" button...a luxury from a bygone era.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 18, 2020 - 1:46pm

    Adamah

    Adamah

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 08 2020

    Posts: 17

    0

    Adamah said:

    At the moment, I cannot find the video on Vimeo either, and the links do not get me there. Things are even more scary if Vimeo is censoring content. I think it would help to have a full transcript of the video published at PP, or a summary paper of the content from the video. I could help with that.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 18, 2020 - 2:55pm

    burnsongs

    burnsongs

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 16 2020

    Posts: 5

    0

    Looks like they took this one down also. Where can I find this video?

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 18, 2020 - 3:01pm

    Chris Martenson

    Chris Martenson

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Jun 07 2007

    Posts: 6430

    3

    Re: Where can I find this video?

    All of them are here:

    https://odysee.com/@Chris_Martenson:2

    More are beginning to be placed here as well:




    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 19, 2020 - 3:45am

    sannyman

    sannyman

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 18 2020

    Posts: 1

    1

    sannyman said:

    Thank you so much for your fast reply!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Dec 20, 2020 - 2:01pm

    mark30504

    mark30504

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 20 2020

    Posts: 1

    0

    mark30504 said:

    Hello,

    Censored! Most Recent Covid Video Banned By YouTube

    Is not showing even on your website.   I have tried a few browsers.

    Image attached

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Dec 21, 2020 - 6:20pm

    blind willie

    blind willie

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 19 2020

    Posts: 6

    0

    blind willie said:

    down again? this is too surreal.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 25, 2020 - 5:50pm

    wannabe_cantillionaire

    wannabe_cantillionaire

    Status: Bronze Member

    Joined: Dec 10 2020

    Posts: 28

    6

    Dr Kory interview and update

    Dr Kory interview and update, looks like he was forced out of his job at St Lukes.

    37 minute mark: they (both doctors) talk about getting thrown into social media jail anytime they say the "I" word.

    52 minute mark: “harms of commission and harms of omission” (sounds familiar)

    Dr Kory seems like such a great guy which just makes it more infuriating to see how his work is being marginalized (or outright blocked).





    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 25, 2020 - 8:18pm

    wotthecurtains

    wotthecurtains

    Status: Gold Member

    Joined: Feb 27 2020

    Posts: 882

    4

    Dr Kory interview

    This was one of those "restore my faith" interviews, so thanks for posting it.   Dr Kory makes the listener feel like there is a real chance of something good coming out of this.

     

    We have so few respectable people in positions of influence in the west that when you hear a great man speak you are really struck by it.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Fri, Dec 25, 2020 - 8:48pm

    nordicjack

    nordicjack

    Status: Platinum Member

    Joined: Feb 03 2020

    Posts: 1506

    1

    spared no lengths to kill ivm

    they have definitively and swiftly killed ivm,  at any cost.  there is no reason for such opposition unless something that threatens them so severely.  i believe it goes well beyond covid, pehaps goes to cfs, gulf war syndrome, depression, adhd,  hiv and much much more.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Dec 26, 2020 - 1:29am

    DaveDD

    DaveDD

    Status: Silver Member

    Joined: Sep 08 2019

    Posts: 522

    3

    How is this possible?

    How is it possible that my two favorite posters,  MM and AKGranny, are dueling most of the time? Your witty, sharp, and sometimes (purposely?) biased posts always make me think, and, also very important, chuckle. I somehow sense wisdom in both of you, could it be that between the both of you, you hold a big chunk of all the different  aspects of “the underlying truth”?

    Grts, Dave😘

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 31, 2020 - 6:10am

    judiru@tds.net

    [email protected]

    Status: Member

    Joined: Dec 31 2020

    Posts: 1

    where can i get some

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Dec 31, 2020 - 7:46am

    AustinAuctioneer

    Status: Member

    Joined: Jan 06 2018

    Posts: 16

    0

    AustinAuctioneer said:

    Hi MKI,

    I logged on to PeakProsperity today specifically for the purpose of researching this exact question.  What input have you gotten?  Or what other ideas have you found?  I wish there were more discussion on this from Chris Martenson!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Jan 03, 2021 - 7:06am

    Curt504

    Curt504

    Status: Member

    Joined: Mar 22 2020

    Posts: 31

    1

    Curt504 said:

    Any feed back re 160mg / 180# = 0.2mg / kg   being a high dose and side effects?   Yes I agree the sides from covid are 100x worse, just asking.

    Some of the arms length researchers have commented that effective dose is near toxic level for humans.

    It would be useful to see the countries using ivormectin what their protocols/doses are?

    My wife easily ordered horse ivormectin, cheap,   6gram tube of 1.87% = 112mg of ivormectin.  So each tube is less then one dose AND the tube was intended to be just 1 horse dose.   Hmm.

    Tnx to all

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Aug 09, 2021 - 3:12pm

    Erik Turner

    Erik Turner

    Status: Member

    Joined: Apr 25 2020

    Posts: 5

    0

    Erik Turner said:

    I love this dystopian song.  And I just noticed the wall in the video reminds one of the  "Border Wall"

    Login or Register to post comments