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The CDC has released a gigantic romp through the Covid hospitalization and death data.

Some fascinating things I did not expect have emerged.

The bad news is that 8 comorbidities are highly correlated with worse outcomes and/or death.  The good news is that a bunch of comorbidities seemed to not make things any worse, and might have even been slightly protective.  Weird, right?

The most glaring statistic is that of all the people who died of Covid, those with 0 (zero) comorbidities represented just 0.9% of the deaths.  That observation alone leads to obvious public health advisories that we should be receiving (but are not).

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  • Tue, Jul 27, 2021 - 6:49pm

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    gkcjrrt

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    Anxiety leads to bad COVID outcome

    Anyone else's fear and/or anxiety level impacted by the way the authorities handled (and continue to handle) the pandemic.    Generally accepted  that one's  mental/emotional health has a big impact on immune system and health generally.    Thanks a lot "health authorities" for scaring me and a 200 million other people.

    From the pdf:

    The strongest risk factors for
    death were obesity (adjusted risk ratio [aRR] = 1.30; 95% CI,
    1.27–1.33), anxiety and fear-related disorders (aRR = 1.28; 95%
    CI, 1.25–1.31), and diabetes with complication (aRR = 1.26; 95%
    CI, 1.24–1.28),

     

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  • Tue, Jul 27, 2021 - 7:44pm

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    Netlej

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    The #1 risk factor...no treatment allowed for the infected.

    Obviously many who died were on deaths bed already and nothing would have saved them. It would have been nice if they could have died with loving family around but ... sorry folks, gotta protect the other 99.9% of the population ESAD!

    What % of deaths could have been prevented with treatment? We may never know. Doctors either didn't now what to do or were afraid of malpractice charges if they did treat.

    Now we have more people in hospitals with vaccine injuries than covid in many places and again physicians are saying they don't know what to do, what is authorised, so many are just getting sicker and sicker and dying. This is disgusting.

    Screw the CDC and their "data". There is nothing to learn from this criminal operation.

     

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  • Tue, Jul 27, 2021 - 7:50pm

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    They aren’t testing vaxed for covid in many cases

    I know some people who are vaxed and have obvious covid symptoms and their doctors refuse to test for covid. They had to go to one of those random test sites to get tested after telling them he was unvaxed. He had covid.

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  • Tue, Jul 27, 2021 - 8:10pm

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    SDHodges

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    SDHodges said:

    Given the fear porn output by the media I would be surprised that anyone admitted to hospital with Covid did not suffer with anxiety and similar.  The fact that males died far more frequently than females was clearly shown in the UK ICU data all along.  See the ICNARC reports.  https://communityoperatingsystem.wordpress.com/2021/01/10/icnarc-reports/

    In regard to comorbidities then in one of my earlier comments I seem to remember mentioning that of the 70 odd thousand who caught the delta variant who were under 50 just 21 died.  It could be statistically nailed on that those 21 were suffering from multiple comorbidities.

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  • Tue, Jul 27, 2021 - 8:49pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    The #1 risk factor...no treatment for you!

    Netlej - I completely agree!

    Even worse it was No prophylactic for you!

    These grotesque decisions to deny treatment were inhumane and outside of any shred of decency that I associate with being human.

    Ignorance is not the explanation either.  That excuse sailed a long time ago.

    What should the penalty be for practicing medical nihilism?  Loss of license and or tenured or bureaucratic position for starters.  Jail for many.  Harsher punishment for those demonstrated to have knowingly spiked trials or passed rules with the intent of hiding treatments from view.

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  • Tue, Jul 27, 2021 - 10:30pm

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    In vegas upon admission to hospital  they ask if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated. If you are vaccinated  you don’t take test. No wonder why all numbers show only unvaccinated cases

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  • Tue, Jul 27, 2021 - 10:32pm

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    anxiety and fear-related disorders

    That "anxiety and fear-related disorders" really stands out. It could be that it is the underlying condition that caused the anxiety disorder that is the real issue here. There is much evidence that things like gut microbiome affect mental health and immunity. Could it be that some of these people had gut dysbiosis/lack of gut microbiome diversity which resulted in an anxiety diagnosis and also affected their immune response? This Psychology Today article goes into the idea of microbiome affecting mental health. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201912/fear-guts-how-the-microbiome-fights-anxiety

    I'm betting the anxiety didn't cause their adverse outcome, it probably didn't help either, but it is the underlying problem that resulted in an anxiety diagnosis and was a major contributor to the adverse outcome.

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  • Tue, Jul 27, 2021 - 10:35pm

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    north-of-the-border said:

    I'm way more angry than anxious given how the Covid crisis has been mishandled, but neither emotional state is health-promoting.

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  • Tue, Jul 27, 2021 - 10:48pm

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    Still not convinced.

    Yes, Covid targets me; but so does the "vaccine". And what the Dickens is that magnetic thing?

    The list of "side effects" of the injection are as long as your arm. I heard one Doctor say that the Lab Rats, (That's you Gladys), are going to die of heart failure two years after this miracle cure from the highly compromised Big Pharma. (Sorry, link lost in the rear-view mirror.) EDIT: I lied. But my source is too radical for the tender sensibilities of the gentle folks of PP.

    All things considered, I'll stick with the Idea that this is part of the Aliens' plan it stick an implant into everybody. I'm going to watch the guinea-pigs closely for personality changes; especially biddability.

    As though we are not a Neotenic enough species already! Big Daddy will take care of you, Oh yes siree. He always has, hasn't he? He'll take care of you good.

    Good dog.

    And as for this "Death" thing. We've all done it before. Many millions of times. Dreams have little substance, Life has more and After-life yet more.

    One example among many.





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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 12:14am

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    NV_Jana

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    Much useful information in these videos!

    There is much to take away from these videos that can be useful in helping someone survive. But first I have to say that being an old timer does not mean that the vax is a viable choice!  I do not want my grand (or great grand) children to take a jab to protect me. That is ridiculous and guilt mongering. Protecting me is MY job. I am not an idiot nor do I need a Nanny State overseer - as governments seems to think.  I am willing to bet that the vax deathrolls include a healthy proportion of older folks who would have lived on just fine without it. It has pushed many vulnerable people over the edge.

    Other than learning really valid reasons for staying clear of the current crop of vax poisons, one  important take-away for me was to stay healthy and take care of my "terrain".  The obesity statistics are particularly shocking - not unexpected.  Having been a member of the obese population for a great part of my adult my life, I have had to make a real effort to break away from that junk /processed food lifestyle.  I haven't seen much conversation here about how Big Food has played a huge roll in obesity creation, but I believe that they can now take credit for contributing to hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths - plus the millions of others via metabolic disease.

    To offer hope to anyone who might need it.. it is a battle that can be won.  Chris gave the answer in his video. Start by stepping away from high fructose corn syrup... completely.  Resolving/avoiding most of the "Deadly 8" co-morbidities starts there.

    Thank you Chris for laying it on the line.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 2:13am

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    Nocebo effect?

    We've all heard of the placebo effect, but its opposite is the 'nocebo' effect, and I've often wondered if many of the people that have died since the start of the pandemic died because they were convinced that Covid would surely kill them if they got it. The power of mind over matter is a scientifically proven phenomenon after all, and it works in both positive and negative directions.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 2:42am

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    Chris Irving said:

    I wonder what the impact of the lock downs and being effectively made unemployed for low income peoples Anxiety levels be.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 7:24am

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    "No one can say with certainty what the future will be like." - Iceland contemplates open-ended restrictions

    The translation from Icelandic is by Google and a bit rough, but the meaning becomes clear:

    Dr. Thorolf Gudnason says there is no way that restrictions will [not] persist to some extent over the next few years.

    Asked if there is no clear path out of the epidemic, now that action is proposed despite vaccinations, and whether we could be heading for restrictions by and over the next five, ten or fifteen years, he says:

    "It can absolutely be so, no one can say with certainty what the future will be like. That's what we've always been saying, too, that there's no predictability in this. There's nothing new and a lot of people complain that [we say] it's not possible to bring predictability to action and such, but it's not possible when the virus is unpredictable and there's something new coming up that changes what you thought some months ago."

    Until the public defender's information conference earlier today, Thornberry plans to submit a memo to the Minister of Health on domestic action to stifle the spread of the virus.

    Thorolf said that the coronavirus epidemic will not be completed in Iceland until it is completed worldwide. He said the protection of vaccines from infection was less than thought, however, that protection from serious illness is estimated to be about 90 percent.

    Actions Take Effect As Soon As Possible

    Thorolf believes that the measures he proposes should take effect as soon as possible. "I believe that if you decide on certain actions, there's nothing left to wait for. Then I think men should let it take effect as quickly as possible," he says.

    It emerged at the information conference that those vaccinated with Janssen will receive another vaccination as well as those who may not have responded to vaccination sufficiently. Pfizer's vaccine will likely be used and tells Thornton that there is enough of it in the country.

    The Efficacy of Janssen and Moderna Chemicals Unclear

    The results of a new study suggest that Pfizer's vaccine has nearly 90 percent activity for infection caused by the virus and Astra Zeneca's vaccine nearly 70 percent.

    Thornberry says similar information is not available about Janssen and Moderna vaccines. "There are fewer studies behind the Janssen and Moderna vaccines. Perhaps the reason is that they're just a lot less used. The research varies structured, some are built up with placebo and then the vaccine and others are exploring the effects of vaccination in society. These are different approaches, which is why the results are often a little different from individual countries.

    "I think it's safe to say that most of the results suggest that these vaccines are all so similar in the base, although there is only a difference between research, and the activity against people taking infection may be around 60 percent. That means 40 percent can still take the infection.

    "So the activity against serious illness may be about 90 per cent but this just varies and there's also new information coming from Israel that the activity is probably something smaller than this."

    Then he says there is no more detailed analysis of the results from the Israel, such as how many people were vaccinated or at what age those who fell seriously ill were.

    Source

    Of course Iceland is not alone in thinking this "crisis" is quite likely endless.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 7:25am

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    Tender Sensibilities

    Arthur, just because people disagree with you, it doesn't mean that  they don't want to hear (or read) what you have to say.

    "Read everything. Listen to Everybody. Don't trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research." - Milton William Cooper

    Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a curious flaw in humans. The reverse is also true: taking things at 100% face value. Anymore, I presume that all truth is enmeshed with lies. Part of the fun is untangling it and figuring out which is which.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 8:13am

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    brushhog said:

    Often, people go to the Dr. with a problem, Dr fails to find evidence or cause of the problem and so labels the patient with a mental problem. Ive seen this personally several times. IMO it is the cruelest thing you can do to a person as a doctor. It reflects a level of arrogance and distain that makes me think alot of Dr.'s should not be Dr.'s.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 8:21am

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    Request for Similar Video on Long-Covid risk-benefit analysis

    Dear Peak Prosperity team, not sure if yall will see this comment, but it would be amazing if Dr. Martenson would do a repeat of this video replacing risk of Long Covid with risk of fatality. This would be interesting because rumor has it getting covid is like russian roulette for long covid, so this makes an argument in favor of the vaccine with regards to the risk-benefit analysis. In fact, it is a glaring error to solely consider morbidity risks in such an analysis, if 10-20 percent of infected get a life-changing condition the vaccine could potentially sway off. P.s.- I still think the risks of the vaccine would probably outweigh the benefits anyway, since we have no long-term data and given the under-reporting. Still, I would be delighted if Dr. Martenson would go down that rabbit hole. Thank you

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 9:45am

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    Long covid

    I would be interested in more data on long covid risks too, not sure how much exists.  However, it’s pretty clear that even the vaccinated are getting covid….so not sure they’d really be protected from long covid anyway?

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 10:38am

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    Penguin Will said:

    Chris: I wanted to take just a minute to thank you. I've read and followed you for years and years. I love it when you get a chance to dig into the numbers and explain what you've found.

    north-of-the-border said: "I'm way more angry than anxious given how the Covid crisis has been mishandled, but neither emotional state is health-promoting."

    I'd say this is common. And natural. If it is any consolation, there were always going to be mistakes made. Even if politics and money were removed from the equation. Trust is the most important thing that a society/government can possess. I ~think~ a lot of what we see around us is the result of a goodly portion of our society not trusting our institutional leaders... who are in fact not trustworthy at all.

    Obesity...... sigh.

    I have always worked out. As long as I can remember I have lifted, ran, played sports... whatever. And for as long as I can remember I have been in good shape. Admittedly moreso at some times than at others. And also for most of my adult life I have been in the obese category BMI-wise. But not body fat %-wise.

    I'm not sure how much carrying the extra weight puts me at risk for COVID but I would guess my joints would be happier in 10 years. I run, lift, and hike aside from the normal farm activities. As long as you keep picking up heavy things and moving them your body fights losing muscle like crazy.

    Ah well, I'm probably just rationalizing. And yes, whining. Since this whole COVID thing started I have leaned out a bit. It is tough. Changing your body type from linebacker to wide receiver is an incredible challenge. I'm not sure if I am up to it tbh. 🙂

    Will

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 10:55am

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    Long covid is another result of NOT TREATING covid.

    As I said above the big story here is the fact that there is still no officially sanctioned treatments for covid despite the thousands of Doctors who are successfully treating covid patients with over a 90% success rate.

    When an infected person is told to go home and wait the problems related to Sars Cov-2 simply fester creating more and more damage some of that damage can never be overcome, heart cells/tissue that is damaged never grows back. Thats just one example, there are dozens.

    Nurses are stepping up and saying that even in the hospital many patients are not being treated because there is no official protocol so they can be sued for malpractice if the patient dies from their efforts but not sued if they do nothing.

    This is where all the problems stem from, this is where "long covid" comes from. It is not a scarry disease it is a scarry system you need to fear.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 12:53pm

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    Dutch said:

    No cases of people with cancer? Is that not a co-morbidity? Too few to include?

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 12:56pm

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    Ivermectin IS a vaccine!!

    Or at any rate, it's not any less of a vaccine than the genetic engineered Pfizer, Moderna and J&J products are. It's a pharmaceutical product which works with the immune system to prevent hospitalization and death caused by Covid-19.

    Unlike the official EUA-authorized "vaccines", it may actually reduce transmission of the virus. Used in conjunction with PV-I or Iota Carrageenan nasal spray and mouthwash, it may create a sterilizing level of protection against viral infection.

    What more could you ask for, in terms of a vaccine? Lifelong immunity? Nobody claims that the EUA authorized products provide this.  A product derived from a weakened or killed form of the virus itself? That quaint and old-fashioned definition is obviously no longer applicable.

    I will leave it to lawyers to determine whether there's any value in pursuing the fact that Ivermectin meets the definition of a "vaccine" at least as well as any other product currently available for use against covid-19.

    Could an employee faced with a vaccine mandate, simply state that he is taking Ivermectin vaccine? Or, state that he is taking a vaccine, and decline to identify which one?

    Could the FDA and/or the CDC be sued for refusing to grant EUA status to Ivermectin as a vaccine?

    Could a doctor sign vaccine cards for his patients based on use of Ivermectin, and then insist that information regarding the details of the vaccine is protected by HIPPA?

    Some readers may also wonder whether there is anyone who would benefit by taking the Pfizer, Moderna or J&J vaccine, rather than taking a weekly dose of Ivermectin. SOME people (ahem! Paying members will know who I'm talking about...) say that elderly people with many comorbities are especially at risk from death by coronavirus, so maybe they ought to get the jab.

    But wait! If a patient's heart and arteries and lungs and liver and kidneys are already severely impaired, is it really such a great idea to subject that persons to heightened risk of clotting and thrombosis? What little data I've seen about adverse event reports,  indicates that such persons are at heightened risk from the vaxx.

    And given the choice between covid-19 and the jab, that might be similar to the choice between voting Democrat, or voting Republican. The choice between being a fundamentalist Christian, or being a fundamentalist Jew. Choose your poison.

    Is there a realistic alternative here? Unlike the official EUA-approved products, we have decades of experience with billions of doses of Ivermectin, to prove that it does not cause endothelial damage, myriad ischaemic lesions, or thrombocytopenia, nor does it have any potential for prion folding. And yet it seems to be just as effective as any vaccine, when it comes to preventing coronavirus.

    DISCLAIMER: anybody who takes medical or legal advice from an anonymous poster on the Internet, is fully responsible for the consequences.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 1:12pm

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    Mental problem or they invoke the syndrome diagnosis

    I have at least 15 syndromes that have been lobbed at me over the years. There is usually no treatment for syndromes. I try and ignore them. I try and be as healthy as possible by eating well and some exercising but I do have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome so not so much that one. There is no fixing the stack of syndromes with anything I have found. But I keep trying.

    Lots of people seem to be skilled in understanding diet and health here. Is there anyone willing to start a thread to help people get out of the obese category?

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 1:36pm

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    Kathy said:

    Could it be that some of these people had gut dysbiosis/lack of gut microbiome diversity which resulted in an anxiety diagnosis and also affected their immune response? This Psychology Today article goes into the idea of microbiome affecting mental health. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201912/fear-guts-how-the-microbiome-fights-anxiety

    I will hypothesize that there is an important gut microbe that has a spike protein.  When we unleash the immune system to attack spike proteins it kills off something useful in the gut.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 1:45pm

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    Ivermectin did not work for me.

    FYI, both my spouse and I have not been "vaccinated."  We took Ivermectin prophylactically for 4 months before we both contracted Covid.  After my wife had a positive Covid test, we increased our dosage to the prescribed level (by FLCCC) for active Covid ... along with all of the other vitamins (zinc, D3, C, etc.)   Our doc even prescribed us a Z pack to go along with the ivermectin, vitamins and supplements... and steroids for me.

    After 4 days, my wife was over the virus.  My case progressed into Covid Pneumonia and in both lungs and a blood clot in my leg.

    I spent a total of 56 days in the hospital, was intubated and placed on a ventilator.  While in the hospital, every traditional remedy (2 bags of convalescent plasma, 5 rounds of remdisivir, 1 round of actemra, 48 hours of Seph filtering, numerous steroids, antibotics and so on) was tried on me without  success.

    With the grace of God, I was one of the few who survived the ventilator and am now at home recovering.  Although, still on O2 and with significant lung damage and weight loss.

    For those who are interested in hearing a 1st hand experience and not just following the herd, Ivermectin did not work for either my wife or me.  Nor did any of the other remedies.  My body just finally stopped killing itself with the cytokine storm and I came off of the ventilator.  There is a possibility the round of Actemra I was given may have given me a boost at reversing the cytokine storm but there isn't any evidence to support that so says the pulmonary doc. ... I just got well ... similar to getting sick in the 1st place

    ... no explanation except that my knuckles may be hairy and drag the ground (lol).  Sounds funny, but one of the docs told my wife there may be a correlation for serious cases such as mine with a 50 gene sequence in our DNA that originates in neanderthal.

    ... Knuckle draggers.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 2:05pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    I'm sorry to hear that you went through that. Thank you for telling us. Would you be willing to give more information?

    Do you have any ideas on why it did not work for you? Did you have any of the co-morbidities on Chris's list? I think the ones that he said were super important were obesity, anxiety (not clear if this was pre-covid anxiety or covid-induced anxiety), diabetes with complications, neuro-cognitive disorders, chronic kidney disease, COPD, heart disease, and aplastic anemia. Or were you just unlucky and then blessed to have lived through it?

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 2:11pm

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    Ivermectin did not work for me

    No co-morbidities.  At on-set, was very strong and fit.  Being active at the cross-fit gym (for old guys - I'm 65) on the day symptoms started showing, I had ran a mile, 40 burpees, weighted squats, and so on for a 35 minute WOD.

    I actually have the reputation that one day in the CCU, while still fairly strong,  I stood up and pumped out 5 air squats.  My O2 fell through the floor and the nurse pushed me back into a chair and turned up my O2.  All of the ICU nurses and docs were talking about that for weeks afterward.

    One of my docs asked me if I just wanted the get the whole Covid experience or was I expecting a t-shirt.

    It's all a complete mystery to everybody as to why I got sick, why nothing worked ... and why I got well.  Just with the grace of God I am here to tell you about it.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 2:26pm

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    Reply to brushog (post 15)

    Often, people go to the Dr. with a problem, Dr fails to find evidence or cause of the problem and so labels the patient with a mental problem. Ive seen this personally several times. IMO it is the cruelest thing you can do to a person as a doctor. It reflects a level of arrogance and distain that makes me think alot of Dr.'s should not be Dr.'s.

    It's the easy (and lazy) way out and I've seen it numerous times, have experienced it myself. Had a GP we'd seen for a number of years retire, his practice was taken over by another member of the group. I hadn't been feeling well for a few months so had a bunch of blood work done. It all came back normal (or within normal limits). So on my first visit with this new doctor (the previous one had ordered the blood work) he walks into the office and before he even introduces himself, he says to me "Your blood work is all normal, I guess it's in all in your head." I probably should have smacked him but that was the end of my time with that practice, went out and found a new GP. He may have been kidding (to a point) but really, that's the way you start off the relationship with someone you've never met?

    My wife who has an autoimmune condition was brushed off by numerous doctors, labeled as chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, etc. Many doctors belittled her symptoms, some would simply run one blood test and then tell her there was nothing they could do. Lots of bad doctors out there.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 2:33pm

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    Ivermectin did not work for me

    Steve, thanks for sharing your experience. Stories like yours are one of the reasons I'm still seriously considering getting one of the vaccines. How much do I trust ivermectin and my own immune system...I'm a little younger than you (59), no known comorbidities, normal BMI...but when I do get sick, I usually get really sick. Normal flu will usually put me out with a 102+ fever for several days followed by severe coughing (including coughing up lots of crap). Is that a warning sign I wonder?

    Who knows, maybe the ivermectin did help you. Maybe something about your system (neanderthal genes maybe) was primed for a severe/lethal covid infection and the ivermectin helped your body to a certain degree. Best wishes for a complete recovery.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 2:34pm

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    Very sobering Steve

    That is indeed a very sobering testimonial.

    We try to get control of "things" with our study and preparations, but, then .......

    I am very glad you are still with us.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 2:38pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Replying to Ivermectin did not work for me

    This is my worry. I am relying heavily on Ivermectin to protect me if I catch the disease.

    I see reports like this and it worries me.

    I still think that the stuff generally works. But it appears that it does not work in all cases.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 2:40pm

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    How to interpret Steve's experience?

    Very few of the studies about Ivermectin make the claim that it is 100% effective. But given what we're being told by FLCCC and other advocates, this harrowing story is not what we'd expect.

    Here's a source for the "neanderthal DNA" explanation. From Nature: "The major genetic risk factor for severe COVID-19 is inherited from Neanderthals", by Zeberg & Paabo. They say that the odds ratio associated with this gene for requiring hospitalization is 1.6 (95% confidence interval, 1.42-1.79). This is a larger odds ratio than the CDC is claiming for any single co-morbidity. Who knew?

    The article says that the prevalence of the risk haplotype ranges from 63% in Bangladesh, to 9% among admixed Americans. So could there be some interaction, which causes the Neanderthal haplotype to interfere with the normal action of Ivermectin?

    Is it conceivable that Steve's supply of Ivermectin was somehow defective?

    Steve -- Would you be willing to consider that maybe you had some bad luck? And that Ivermectin helps many, even though it didn't work for you?

    In this hall of mirrors we live in, I can't rule out that the Ivermectin story is some sort of counterintelligence operation or giant circulating confirmation bias syndrome, either. The best anyone can do, is to consider the weight and credibility of the various information sources.

    My own personal and anecdotal experience is that I live in the country, rarely go into town, and always wear an N-95 mask when I do. I take all the vitamins, plus Quercetin. But I don't take Ivermectin, haven't had the jab, and I haven't yet experienced any COVID-19 symptoms.

    [Edit: retracted unfounded speculation about Steve. Looks like people here can vouch for him.]

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 2:49pm

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    As with HIV, a cocktail approach is needed for prophylaxis

    Nobody ever made the case that Ivermectin was 100% protection.  I do though think that we can approach 100% by layering meds and supplements.  DaveF's post earlier today regarding androgrphis panicula is a great example.  I intend to add it post-haste... it's a centuries-old safe supplement that appears to have the same mode of action as proxalutamide;  Proxalutamide for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 7 studies (c19proxalutamide.com)

    I continue to use Niacin and mushroom antivirals as well although there is no RCT data for either category.  My last add was curcumin because;  Curcumin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 6 studies (c19curcumin.com)

    We need to build as high an anti-viral wall as possible, while supporting underlying health via weight loss, good sleep, etc.

     

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 3:03pm

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    Glad you made it Steve!

    Steve - what a harrowing experience.  I am so glad you made it, and sorry you had such a tough run.

    It's instructive for all of us.

    Of course, nothing is ever 100%, which is true for Ivermectin, having a wonderfully prepared terrain, and no comorbidities.

    Some factors that can work for or against anyone:

    • Your genetics
    • Prior exposure to coronaviruses (with prior colds seemingly protective)
    • Initial inoculum (even if perfectly prepared, a too-large initial 'dose' will overwhelm the best of preparations)
    • Age
    • General health (noting DaveF's data showing an exercise curve...moderate is best, being 'too fit' is a major detriment with a much higher risk of respiratory distress during disease)

    Finally, I am wondering what sorts of treatments you got at the hospital besides high flow o2?  Did they treat with proxalutamide? Famotidine?  High-dose (100+ mg) methylprednisolone?  Melatonin?  Fluvoxamine?

    I know of a person whose otherwise very fit 40-ish wife went south (very recently) - probably Delta.  At the local major hospital ( a very good one) the presented protocol was such a Feb-20 experience that they opted to (literally) life flight at their own expense to a different hospital running the latest FLCCC protocols.  Wife was amazingly better within 48 hours.

    It's mind-boggling to me that "no treatments for you" is still in place in a lot of hospitals.  "We'll just have to give you some o2, maybe a homeopathic dose of dexamethasone, and hope we don't have to tuck you on a ventilator later."

    How can this still be a thing??

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 3:03pm

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    Knuckle draggers ?

    @steve Oh dear God, that is both frightening and funny (at the end).  My thoughts are with you...

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 3:13pm

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    Scary

    Scary for me but thanks for the info. What brand/type ivermectin? Were you drinking coffee or alcohol? Empty for full stomach?

    Thanks, will use for my planning,

    Mike

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 3:19pm

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    Penguin Will said:

    Steve,

    Thanks for posting. Your experience mirrors the one of my aunt. Only she never pulled out of it. Healthy as a horse. Only medication was a single arthritis pill a day. Exercised and ate right. Carried a healthy weight.

    She got COVID and got progressively worse for a few days. They took her to the hospital where she continued to decline. They put her on a ventilator. Shortly thereafter she went into a coma and died. Whole thing took about 10 days. Maybe a tad more.

    My uncle never caught the virus.

    There is a frightening, chaotic aspect to this thing. Most of the people I know who have gotten it and ended up in the hospital you would look at and think "Yeah that fella should lose some weight." or "She really is in bad shape health wise, COVID aside." But every once in a while this thing grabs someone by the throat and you just cannot believe someone so healthy could get hit so hard.

    I hope you continue the recovery and I thank you for letting us know your story. We humans don't cope with uncertainty and insecurity well. But it seems to be a real aspect to this whole thing doesn't it?

    Will

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 3:25pm

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    double IVM vs new variants

    Dr Been has said that the weekly dose of IVM needs to be doubled vs the new variants, especially Delta, because it replicates so fast.  I wrote this down but didn't note which video it comes from:

    DrBeen – take .3 to .4 IVM / kg per week vs Indian variant or take .2 more often than once a week! It’s the amount of IVM per virus cell that matters.

    Indian variant can infect your cells within a day or two!!!!

    A healthy immune system takes 1-2 days to respond – not fast enough for the new variants!

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 3:39pm

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    Tackling obesity and encouraging better health the PP way

    Uncucked_Canucks said:

    Lots of people seem to be skilled in understanding diet and health here. Is there anyone willing to start a thread to help people get out of the obese category?

    Adam Taggart ran a post in January that addressed health building and weight losing that was solid, imo, with good contributions from PP members. Here.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 4:03pm

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    Thanks for sharing Steve

    Glad you made it after such an ordeal.  Would have been nice if we had a bunch of good studies to see what happened.  Same goes with the m RNA vax.  With all the unknowns surrounding the new vaccines, maybe we need to pump the brakes on all the mandates.  They literally have no idea whats going on, or they do know and well?

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 4:16pm

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    Steve said:

    Chris,

    I've gone back to my medicare bill hoping to see the meds that were administered to me.  All I have at this point the following line items:

    -General Pharmacy - $47,989

    -IV solutions - $9300.90

    -Med-Sur Supplies - $20,129

    -Non-Sterile Supply - $19.69  (why bother?0

    -Sterile Supply - $3335.39

    My wife has some notes where she was recording meds.   I'll ask her if she has details.  But, I know they alternated three (3) blood thinners by injection in my stomach.  Also gave me a variety of antibiotics and steroids.  They did give me Famotidine and Pantoprazole since the acid reflux was bad as they told me from the significant steroid load by IV.  Fentanyl while on the ventilator.  Not sure what they used to essentially put me into the "medical coma" for the ventilator.  Still on Eliquis, Advair and Albutorol.

    At one time I had a long IV in my groin that went all the way to my heart for the Seph filter process.  This was a very uncomfortable procedure by the way.  This was funded by the department of defense believe it or not.  Filtered my blood for 24 hours (dialysis), then changed the filter and repeated for another 24 hours.  Why would the DOD be funding this study I've wondered?  Why do they even have a budget for civilians?

    I had a "Pic line" in my upper right arm that went all the way into my heart and a "Mid-line in my other arm.  There were bags hanging all around me.

    I had increasing level of O2 for weeks all the way to finally going on the vent.  I'll never for get the pulmonary Doc gently speaking into my ear ... "I don't think I can save you.  Your body needs a rest.  I need to put you onto the ventilator.  Don't make your wife make this decision."  I had a no resuscitate, no mechanical equipment order in effect.  We had reached the point my lungs were done and their option was vent me or start the morphine drip and let me go, I guess.  I told them to vent me.  I figured either way I was dead but at least with the vent, I had a chance.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 4:42pm

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    The neanderthal snp for those with their DNA data is rs35044562

    If you have 23andme rs10490770 is a good approximation of the covid neanderthal risk gene. If you have CC or GG allele is the one that is associated with higher risk. This is really speculative for a number of reasons.

    1. I don't know that this snp is a good translation/representation of the one in the study
    2. I am taking the word of a random guy on the internet to see if it is.

    Here is the random guy on the internet saying that rs10490770 is a good approximation of rs35044562.  https://www.23andmeforums.com/discussion/comment/477916#Comment_477916

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 5:25pm

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    mega-doses of Ivermectin

    I found this yesterday and want to toss it in somewhere before I forget. In this video, Dr Jackie Stone of Zimbabwe starting at about the 7'00 mark describes a case where a dying patient was first given 100 milligrams of IVM, which did not turn him around. Patient saturating at 60%. So on her advice, the doctor gave the patient another 100 milligrams of IVM plus more silver + more steroids. Nothing happened. Stats at 39. Do it again. So she gave him another 100 milligrams of IVM + more silver + more prednisalone? Ambulance arrives to take him to hospital, during the ride his stats go up from 39 to 72% -- he was not ventilated, but was put on oxygen, and is now back home.

     





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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 5:32pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    That is very good thank you. Sadly I am already doing most everything on that page. And the only thing left is adding vegetables which causes systemic inflammation in my body. Don't know why.

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 6:14pm

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    Furin now front and center

    Chris- very good Nature article on Covid biology.  Please see Stage 5 on the cartoon and the specific reference to how the cell's natural furin enzyme cleaves nascent virus spike proteins to become very infective.  Now, where did that furin cleavage site come from...?

    How the coronavirus infects cells — and why Delta is so dangerous (nature.com)

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  • Wed, Jul 28, 2021 - 6:22pm

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    Interesting cluster of comorbidities

    From my wife the social worker:

    Chris, as I listened to your most recent video about Covid deaths, I was struck by the cluster of diseases that were on the list of those that were linked to the deaths. The cluster of diseases and number (6) are the same diseases that are correlated with Adverse Childhood Experiences as identified by Anda and Filitti in 2002 (link below). The more ACEs an individual experiences the more likely they are to have the same diseases listed in the Covid death study you cited.
     The cluster of diseases also makes me think of many adults who also experience chronic stress.  It makes me wonder if there is a correlation.  I would also imagine that those with 6 or more of the conditions had higher cortisol levels and that might impact how deadly the disease is. I also wonder about the socio-economic levels of those who have died. We know low-income urban people tend to have higher ACE scores and higher levels, not sure if that is a factor as well.
    Lots more questions, but I was struck by the similarities....

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 12:36am

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    Ive given up reading too much into events but...

    In Alberta, the govt has made recent announcements that amount to a near shutdown of the entire Covid program here.

    I'll link an emotional editorial from a guy who doesn't like this only because he states plainly what is being done even though he doesn't agree with it.

    As of mid-August, they are almost shutting down testing altogether here.  They will actually discourage it from the sound of things.  If you are known to be positive (somehow) you will have no requirement to isolate.  All the quarantine hotels etc will be shut down.  No mask mandates...

     

    Sounds like we are home free but I just don't believe this is really the end of it.  The cynic in me is waiting for the fall and "Well, we tried to be reasonable but you people won't vaccinate so back into lockdown you go..."

    Still a few months of freedom is something cherish and makes you think about what you want to get done...

     

    https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/braid-with-faith-in-vaccine-and-fingers-crossed-alberta-will-abandon-covid-19-measures

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 1:35am

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    Mark_BC said:

    I am pretty sure I had Covid last November. The symptoms and progression of the disease were inconsistent with anything else. I had gone to a Covid hotspot 6 days before symptoms started and essentially inadvertently put myself in quarantine the day of infection since I went to our rural property after being exposed (the exact typical Covid incubation period is 6 days, twice that of the flu).

    I did the standard FLCCC protocol plus HCQ the morning after symptoms started. The next day I felt noticeably better. The day after than I felt back up to 95%. My mom who I was living with claims to have had some symptoms starting but they went away quickly after starting the meds -- she would have been a few days behind me in disease progression. I tested negative a few days after treating but I chalk that up to IVM destroying the virus; the gargle test they use here apparently typically gives false negatives vs. false positives.

    So all seemed well, until a week later when the symptoms suddenly returned, to almost the same level as the first onset. I was totally confused since long Covid wasn't really understood then. If the virus was gone how could it come back? These lasted a few days, then subsided. Then they were back two weeks later. Then they went away. This continued for months with the generalized inflammation symptoms rising and falling over a few weeks, but generally getting better over time. Finally after 6 months they seemed to be totally gone but I wonder if I still have them now and again.

    I was an extremely healthy 47 year old before catching it. And within a few months after the initial onset I was back to intense training and my cardio output got up to about 90% of what I was at my peak in my 20's decades earlier. So it made no lasting impact to my cardio performance or lung functioning (the unique dry irritating Covid cough I developed initially didn't last long after treating with IVM so I didn't do much damage to my lungs). I am now back to being a very healthy 47 year old; maybe not extremely healthy since I sometimes seem to have some weird issues; maybe unrelated.

    So I developed long Covid that lasted months even with taking IVM frequently. It seems to have worked initially to kill the initial infection, but did not cure the long-haul inflammation (there is no mention of long-flu or long-Parainfluenza virus so it must have been Covid -- plus the symptoms weren't consistent with anything else).

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 5:28am

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    Blood vessels and weight

    My understanding is that for every extra pound our body builds 2 meters blood vessels... Maybe I am mistaken on the actual metrics but I know it is scary

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 8:18am

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    Finding the Path that Works

    Adam had a lot of good insight in that post. Some of his recommendations do not work for me. In fact, if you are struggling with weight it is essential to adopt positive habits that you can incorporate effortlessly and thoughtlessly.

    I'm down 40 lbs since January. Some simple things that are working for me:

    • Intermittent Fasting: (Eat only during one 6 hour period during the day, but eat until satiation=no hunger!)
    • Alcohol Fasting: Intermittently or dry months. At least two in a six month period.
    • Carnivore diet: Meat and fat. Fat and Meat. I can lose weight and not be hungry...and not eat "less" (not sure if this is psychosomatic).

    I dropped all that weight using these three habits. No exercise, aside from work. Humans should begin to view grain and starch foods as emergency pantry foods to be eaten only as a last resort.

    You know the joke about eating Asian-American Cuisine and then being hungry again in a half hour? It's only funny because people don't recognize that as a fundamental symptom of carbohydrate "addiction & withdrawal". Carbs temporarily satiate, while meat carries you through to another day. The nutritarian diet will tell you to eat as much cruciferous greens as you want. Trust me, you will never feel satiated and to top it off you will likely be experiencing physical discomfort from all of the toxins that they produce.

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 12:13pm

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    Also interested in Long Covid data

    I too am interested in data about who may be more susceptible to Long Covid. I am a sporadic Peak Prosperity reader but also someone who has suffered for a year from long-term health effects of a non-hospitalized Covid illness. I had no pre-existing conditions, was athletic (went on a long hike and ran weekly, did regular yoga, walked 5 miles on average a day, sometimes went on backpacking trips), and ate a whole foods diet, and rarely got sick. Yet, the aftermath of this illness is the most serious thing to ever happen to me. Luckily, while it's been a slow process, I am recovering and believe I may fully recover, but it will have taken a year and a half to do so, I think. By and large, medical professionals have been of little help, and in some cases an impediment to helping with healing. What help I've gotten has come from practitioners with a functional medicine and integrative approach, and discoveries just by my own trial and error and from discussion with other people with Long Covid.

    I'm very active in the Body Politic Covid-19 slack forum, and I'm surprised of how many others like me there are -- relatively young (I'm 41), previously athletic (several were marathon runners), in seemingly good health prior, and many whose Covid cases were fairly mild. It does seem that 60 -80 % of Long Covid sufferers are women and there are theories to why that is the case.

    I'm sure some will ask about ivermectin. For some with Long Covid, ivermectin seems to have helped, for others not at all (though at least they say it didn't hurt them; no adverse side effects).

    What has helped me in my recovery: Super-nutritious eating, various nutritional supplements to optimize nutrient levels, various herbs, green tea, acupuncture, lots of rest, & patience. I think healing is like a garden... many components go into cultivating a good garden. Similarly, there's not a single drug that is magically curing me, but it's attention to the entire garden. A year ago, I wondered if I might be disabled. Now, I'm hopeful that I can fully recover and hike again one day.

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 12:40pm

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    reply to Finding the Path that Works (#49)

    My weight had been drifting up the last few years...I'm about 5-10 or 5-11 and used to be around 160-165, but I developed the bad habit of eating too many cookies or bagels slathered with butter, and just generally overeating at every meal. My weight was up to almost 180, BP was starting to rise. So I decided to do something about it. Nothing fancy, no specific diet, I just put a hard limit on intake of "junk" (now 2-3 cookies a day rather than 7 or 8), and overall cut back on how much I eat at each meal. Instead of going back for seconds, just stop. Eat a piece of fruit instead of a bag of chips. I've been pleasantly surprised to have lost about 7 pounds in the past month. I've increased the exercise a bit but nothing dramatic.

    It's been a remarkably steady decline that averages out to about .2 pounds per day, simply from cutting back on food intake. I'm aiming for 165 and maybe even 160 again. Really want to get the BP back down without drugs.

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 4:38pm

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    Why Is the FDA Attacking Ivermectin ?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-ivermectin-covid-19-coronavirus-masks-anti-science-11627482393?mod=searchresults_pos2&page=1

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 4:59pm

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    Letter on Corpulence

    Touching on the weight loss issue; my favorite reference is William Banting's 1865 "Letter on Corpulence".

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/57545/57545-h/57545-h.htm

    It's a very entertaining read, especially in the language of the period.   A brief sample:

    "Of all the parasites that affect humanity I do not know of, nor can I imagine any more distressing than that of Obesity, and having just emerged from a very long probation in this affliction, I am desirous of circulating my humble knowledge and experience for the benefit of my fellow man, with an earnest hope it may lead to the same comfort and happiness I now feel under the extraordinary change—which might almost be termed miraculous had it not been accomplished by the most simple common sense means."

    Basically low carb / keto, but it's interesting this successful program has been known for over a century.

    I also had a very large Cuban friend, who is the only person I've ever known to lose weight and keep it off for many years.  He said dieting made him miserable, so he tried eating as he pleased, but only 2 meals a day, and absolutely nothing else in between but water, or unsweetened ice tea.

    I was quite impressed he discovered his own system and it worked well over the long haul.

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 5:16pm

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    Replying to Why Is the FDA Attacking Ivermectin ? (#52)

    This article is now published in full on the FLCCC.net home page

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Why-Is-the-FDA-Attacking-a-Safe-Effective-Drug_-WSJ.pdf

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 5:21pm

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    FLCCC latest Weekly update now available

    For anyone who missed last night's weekly update here it is -- I caught a bit of it last night and Dr Marik had some very important things to say about the Delta variant.

    https://odysee.com/@FrontlineCovid19CriticalCareAlliance:c/FLCCC-WeeklyUpdate-28July2021:5

     

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  • Thu, Jul 29, 2021 - 6:34pm

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    Robert Malone ADE story

    Hello Chris,

    Just received this today and it is blowing my mind that we are here. Not surprised but so sad…. Can you please speak to the topic that Robert Malone is discussing with regards to Pfizer currently (others sure to follow). 10 minute interview with bannon attached.

    Steve Bannon interviews Dr. Robert Malone…

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 9:31am

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    Penguin Will said:

    It looks like several folks have had some real success with their weight/diet. A big hat tip all around! Wouldn't it be something if getting in shape were to become a new fad. PP'ers as trend setters. 🙂

    Starting point and history are such big obstacles when it comes to such things. The body ~remembers~ where it has been and what kind of condition it has been in over the years. Breaking into a new set point and retaining it as an equilibrium are REAL achievements. Again a big hat tip from the bleachers.

    My biggest problem is that I like lifting. Always have. Picking up heavy things and moving them around has always been something that just made me feel good. Even when I was putting in some serious weekly mileage I always missed lifting and tried to sneak it into my routine. There's some kind of drug the body produces when you throw some weight around. It's very addictive. 🙂

    Will

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 9:33am

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    Awesome 16 min video that sums it all up

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-people-get-jabbed-watching-video-they-beyond-saving/5751364

    This is, IMHO, an ideal video to share with those who lack awareness. It may plant those crucial seeds of doubt that get them asking for more info. Hoping it does not get censored so watch while you can!

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 12:40pm

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    Data Surprises - drug interaction?

    Very surprising and interesting data...  I personally have more than one of the listed comorbidities (both high and low risk), and what immediately occurred to me when I saw this video/paper was some of the medications used to treat these disease states:

    stomach/asophageal disorder = famotidine

    sleep disorder = melatonin

    lipid metabolism disorder = statin drugs

    asthma = albuterol and cortecosteroid inhalers

    Do you see a few possible relationships here?

    neurocognitive/anxiety disorders = SSRI drugs

    this leaves me pondering... could there be a relationship between severe outcomes in people taking SSRIs or other psych meds?

     

     

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  • Fri, Jul 30, 2021 - 3:05pm

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    Information is Freedom said:

    interesting you say it didn't work for your wife but she was out in 4 days? I understand it didn't work for you.

    Ivermectin is not 100%. Ultimately I think vaccines are still going to be the primary choice (also not 100%), just possibly not mRNA vaccines (Novavax is my bet).

    Would like more info. My entire family (not in USA) have contracted it, including my mom who had breast cancer. My sister barely had any issues. Both my parents in mid-late 70's, both recovered (before ivm was available).

    I do think part of this is genetic as to who is susceptible.

    2 folks I know who died, had severe comorbidities (1 was waiting on surgery, 1 was sickly).

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 7:08am

    agoodhuman

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    Anxiety and fear based disorders

    There could be something to the relationship between Anxiety disorders, the gut biome and autoimmune disease.

    I've only just recently realised this connection after I was diagnosed with an Autoimmune disease which had been causing havoc with my mind and body for years without being detected.

    I found this to be interesting:

    https://theconversation.com/an-autoimmune-like-antibody-response-is-linked-with-severe-covid-19-146255

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 7:21am

    Curt504

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    Curt504 said:

    Ahhh clever of the vax mfgers to coach the system to protect their reputation!!!   Always something to learn from criminals.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 7:55am

    Steve

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    Steve said:

    Yes, that argument could be made.  Although, we were both taking IVM prophylactically.  It did not stop either of us from getting the virus.  We both loaded up on the higher doses after contracting Covid.  Maybe it did reduce her illness to much less than it could have been without the IVM.  Of course, maybe the same argument could be made for me.  Maybe IVM was the delineating treatment that kept me from expiring on the ventilator.

    My opinion is she could have gotten a kick from the IVM.  But, it just did not work for me.

    Seems like the only boost I got may have came from the Actemra.  But, it's more likely that my body just beat the virus in the long run.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 11:16am

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    westcoastjan

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    Soybean oil part of the underlying problem leading to the comoribities?

    https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/562654

    New UC Riverside research shows soybean oil not only leads to obesity and diabetes, but could also affect neurological conditions like autism, Alzheimer's disease, anxiety, and depression.

    Used for fast food frying, added to packaged foods, and fed to livestock, soybean oil is by far the most widely produced and consumed edible oil in the U.S., according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. In all likelihood, it is not healthy for humans. ...

    More supporting evidence that we do have considerable control in our health and abilities to protect against disease via the choices we make re food consumption.

     

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 12:12pm

    Netlej

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    Soybean oil is only one of hundreds of endocrine disruptors killing us all.

    Jan - there are hundreds of other endocrine disruptors that absolutely everyone is exposed to everyday.

    https://edlists.org/the-ed-lists/list-i-substances-identified-as-endocrine-disruptors-by-the-eu

    Causing dozens of diseases and chronic illness;

    https://www.beyondpesticides.org/resources/pesticide-induced-diseases-database/endocrine-disruption#:~:text=Endocrine%20disruptors%20have%20been%20linked,cancers%2C%20and%20other%20metabolic%20disorders.

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 7:39pm

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    Long covid mechanisms and treatment

    For those on this thread with questions about long COVID: Dr Bruce Patterson has some theories about it. They used machine learning to uncover variables associated with long COVID also discovered that certain monocytes (immune cells) express the S1 subunit of spike protein up to 15 months (and counting) post-infection. These monocytes  would normally turn over after 24 hours. The spike protein expression could play a role in activating inflammation and other symptoms.

    Here is a description of some of the research

    https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2021/07/21/patterson-cracked-long-covid/

    He has been interviewed by Dr. Mobeen Syed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HSKceCt8tQ

    And here is his company site:

    https://covidlonghaulers.com/

     

     

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 7:44am

    David Brady

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    Diet doctor

    The way to lose weight is get away from carbohydrates. Diet doctor website is a good start. Protein based high fat low carb diet is what you need.

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  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 4:22pm

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    Jeff

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    CDC July 26: Green zones/camps for high risk

    Read this shit, what in the actual [email protected]&$

    Disturbing as it gets

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/global-covid-19/shielding-approach-humanitarian.html

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 8:30pm

    GreenThumb19

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    Anxiety and covid

    I think my Anxiety would be skyrocketing if no one I knew was near me when I was hospitalized, sick and potentially dying, instead space suited people ‘caring’ for me

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  • Fri, Aug 20, 2021 - 10:18am

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    Joegrane said:

    Jeff:    CDC July 26: Green zones/camps for high risk
    Read this shit, what in the actual [email protected]&$
    Disturbing as it gets
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/global-covid-19/shielding-approach-humanitarian.html

    How many Chicago residents died from the virus last month?

    How may people died from violent crime in Chicago last month?

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