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    Bunkers ‘R’ Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take on This Movement

    by Chris Martenson

    Sunday, July 4, 2010, 4:33 AM

The End is Near, Inc.

This is the title of the recent full-spread article in Boston Magazine about me, my work, and our community. It’s due out in hard print on Sunday with the Boston Globe. It is already available online here.

Unfortunately, the article relies too much on sensationalistic stereotypes and includes some troubling distortions.  My chief concern is that the story, told through a very few limited, out-of-context, and edited quotes, paints a picture of Becca and me as doomsayers with a bunker mentality.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

We somewhat reluctantly agreed to have our whole family included in this very public article, opened our home for several days for the effort, and are now wrestling with the impacts that will stem from the fact that our best efforts have now been tagged as “The End is Near, Inc.” – an unfortunate mischaracterization that completely misses what we are really about while implying that we do this for the money. 

And though the editor has agreed to remove it in the online edition, the print edition contains a 100% Photoshopped creation of me in a bunker, instead of the actual photo that was taken of me in my (completely normal, albeit messy) home office.  We did not have a chance to review the content or the images prior to publication, which will never happen again.

Look at what they did with a gray screen shot (before, then after) without ever indicating that they’d do such a thing, let alone seeking my permission:

Yikes.  To be completely clear:  I do not have a bunker, do not know anybody who does, have never advocated that anybody build one, and utterly distance myself from the cultural stereotyping that is implied by the idea of a bunker and all associated imagery.

I can say that I’m disappointed, but I can’t say I’m terribly surprised. The article’s publication has been an important learning experience—it’s reminded me how difficult this story is to tell to the average person.  It’s a challenge to get most people to understand that while change is inevitable, it’s only bad if we fail to adapt on time and on our own terms.

The irony here is that Boston Magazine intended this to be a positive piece on the impact of my message and the large audience that it has resonated with to date.  But in relying on easy “survivalist” stereotypes to frame the story (bunkers, Mad Max references, etc), they’ve succeed in missing the forest for the trees, conveying an image in polar opposition to what we actually stand for.

The work here has been so successful because I strive at every turn to leave my opinions and beliefs out of it, which helpfully clarifies the picture for people.  In allowing belief-based slants about preparation to color this article, Boston Magazine has missed out on the fact that what people really want and need right now is truth and the facts. 

People are worried these days and have legitimate reasons to be.  We need to meet that concern directly and honestly while offering helpful information and guidance for building a positive future.

The most unfortunate thing about this is that Boston Magazine missed out on a really big story.  The movement that’s building around this material is not a fringe thing.  There are millions of people – from across the socioeconomic spectrum – thinking about this and changing their lives because of it.

My goal through this work is not to guide people to build bunkers and isolate themselves, but to invest in their communities, strengthen their resilience, and create a world worth inheriting.  Along the way there are indeed some necessary, steps that I think everybody should undertake as individuals, but only as an insufficient set of first actions along a continuum that moves us from being relatively isolated into connected, resilient communities.  I made this abundantly clear.

I am not a part of a group “devoted to spreading the preparedness doctrine,” but a card-carrying member of a movement that seeks to build a national narrative that makes sense and that is sustainable.  We understand that awareness precedes understanding and that both must come before actions.  So, yes, we seek to raise awareness as a first step.  After all, somebody has to.

If you want to help us in changing the tired story that the mainstream media repeatedly chooses to tell about this message, then I’d encourage you to read the article and comment or write to the editor to tell them what this movement is really about.  If you do take the time to send along your thoughts, I would ask that you make them as factual, calm, and collected as possible. 

Best,
Chris Martenson


 

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 6:17pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    Here’s a comment left at the Boston Magazine site by someone (i’m not sure who) that picked up on the attempt to shape impressions:

    I’m really surprised by the tone of this article. I know Chris Martenson personally, and I can say that he is a stand up guy, a refreshingly smart, sensible visionary whose wisdom about creating a new economy based on self-sufficiency & community strength is right on–making a lot of the stat quo talk in gov’t and beyond sound as if people aren’t paying attention, or really thinking clearly. The article’s use of certain language–“faith”, “doctrine,” “fellowship,” “preached,”–seems to suggest that Chris has brainwashed his followers in some cult-styled, money-making scheme. Ridiculous!

    And pretty offensive to those of us who know Chris well. And describing the brilliant Alejandro as being “under the spell” diminishes and distorts what Chris has done, and who Alejandro is. Montague, for the record, is not a “town full of older folks who kept to themselves,” but rather one of many vibrant Western Mass communities that embrace connection and community on a lot of levels. Chris and Becca Martenson have enriched the way we think about the world. Maybe you should have listened a little more closely.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 6:29pm

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    FireJack

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    I get the feeling that for most people expecting anything other than more of the same would be considered bunker mentaility.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 6:49pm

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    crazyhorse

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    Congratulations, Chris…your message has been so successful that the media now has to resort to a hatchet job to discredit it.

    This is some of the most irresponsible journalism I’ve seen in a long time…listing children’s names and ages, implying buried PM’s on your property, and informing everyone that you have all of your guns locked up and would be unable to use them for home defense…

    This one-sided article lacks objectivity and is entirely slanted…I would expect better journalism from a Boston paper…

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 7:01pm

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    earthwise

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

     

    Geee. A media outlet ignoring the facts, wrenching out of context, distorting the truth, and engaging in smear tactics. What a surprise. Whooda thunk that?

    No wonder this country’s screwed. I’m headin’ for my bunker.Wink

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 7:12pm

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    Tycer

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    I have to believe that after reading the article, people looking for your message will find it. Those that are not ready won’t. Two seconds on your site will immediately negate any misconceptions. Publicity is publicity.

    One of the greatest truths I have gotten from your site is that the more people who prepare for these changes, the better we will thrive on the other side.

    Thanks for taking the hit for the betterment of mankind. 

    FWIW, even though I fully understand your horror at the bunker photoshop and would feel equally pissed, it is more of an eye catcher than just a nice looking guy in a red tie. It may be just the ticket to draw that one person to CM who becomes the tipping point.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 7:30pm

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    SteveW

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    Chris,

    If it were me I would file a complaint against the writer and feature editor with the editor of the Boston Globe, with copies to the Presidents of the Connecticut and Massachusetts Chapters of the Society of Professional Journalists.

    http://www.spj.org/region1.asp

    Whether the “treatment” they gave the article was consistent with accuracy is debateable (from their perspective anyway) but to photoshop and deliberately and wilfully distort reality clearly contravenes the Society’s code to “Never distort the content of news photos or video.”

    The way to avoid this issue is to be the writer yourself commenting on our society should you wish, or have the time, to move to this level of visibility.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 7:49pm

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    The author’s first name is Pagan?!?!  Is that for real?

    I love how she ended it with an implication that Martenson readers are paranoid militia types.  Good grief…

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 7:52pm

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    xraymike79

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    I hope this terrible experience you’ve had with the typical MSM mentality does not affect your message or criticism of those at the helm of our wayward ship, the USS Bozo. I do have to say though that the photoshopped picture of you in a bunker is hilarious. I’m not going to waste time reading the article, but it sounds like they made a mockery of you. They should run a follow-up article to publicly apologize.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 7:53pm

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    JAG

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    This is Outrageous.

    Dr. M,

    I’m sure you are used to this kind of crap by now, but it infuriates me that you were portrayed in this way. To be brutally honest, had that article been my introduction to you and your work, I would have never visited your site. And what pisses me off the most is that any one of us would have been thrilled to have the personal one-on-one time that this hack got with you. What a waste.

    I’m sorry that this post was far from constructive, but I just can’t help myself at this point.

    All the best to you and your family….Jeff

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 7:59pm

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    sepmeier

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    Too funny! I like the bunker rendition, Chris… and come on – the grey screen shot included a chicken. Did they ‘shop that it, too?
    Roll with it, man – and register that domain name they gave you, if you can!

    B

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 8:14pm

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    TheRemnant

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    Chris, 

    You earned others respect and built a community without their permission or vetting; they don’t like it when someone builds influence/respect without going through them.

    They are increasingly losing their status as the gatekeepers on [mis|dis]information dissemination to the public.  And they know it.  They are dying the death of 1,000 cuts.

    Instead they talk about how bloggers should be regulated like they are.  Fail.  They should be arguing to be unregulated like bloggers.  Cue the Internet Freedom Act.

    Translation: You’re doing it right.  Take heart.  Given the quality of community you have built here, most (if not all) see right through mainstream media’s refusal to break through the 12 years of the Skinner box, er, I mean public education. Cool

    You won my support.  And I’m not easily won over.

    Cheers.

     

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 8:21pm

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    Unfortunately, this is sort of what I was expecting when the call came out to participate.   The Globe is owned by the NYT’s, which is one of the major media outlets of the organization that shall not be named.  Maybe this will open some more peoples eyes on THIS SITE to the truth.  In other words, maybe some good will come out of it……you and your family deserve it.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 8:29pm

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    Interesting MSM spin-

    The US spends 12 TRILLION dollars on gas/oil (we all hear that sucking sound of money leaving our pockets) and now because of our addiiction to it – some gulf state’s coasts are environmental disasters. . . and they make Chris out to be a doomer?

    If it wasn’t so idiotic it would be Laughable.

    EndGamePlayer

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 8:45pm

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    capesurvivor

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    Chris,

    I’m terribly sorry that you and Becca were presented that way. I will certainly write a letter in to try to counter their presentation.

    Best regards to you and your family.

     

    SG

     

     

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 8:56pm

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    SagerXX

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    Reprehensible.  Irresponsible.  Unethical.  

    Now that I’ve given my opinion of BP, I’ll say that this is disappointing and I’d be mad as hell if I was you (or Becca/kids).  And as you imply, I’d be forewarned/forearmed the next time somebody called wanting to do a big interview.  And there will be more interviews, as your message will continue IMO to catch fire as the bowling ball continues to crash down the figurative steps.

    (Off to comment on B-Mag’s website…)

    Viva anyway — Sager

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 9:03pm

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    Join forces with zeitgeist and laitman

    Chris you have to join forces with people of zeitgeist and Laitman. You’re very good showing the problem but dont have a solid solution.  The people need hope.

    With them are making their zeitgeist venus project which gives them a very positive and uplifting light. http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/

    Laitman works but the foundation of the problem, fix relationships, be to the benefit of itself to the benefit of todos. http://laitman.com/

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 9:09pm

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    docmims

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    Welcome to hardball politics.  You have a message that is dangerous to the debt brokers: therefore you must be ridiculed, misquoted, and trivialized.  It’s the usuall modus operandi.  Just move on and stay on message.  Don’t get sidetracked into responding or trying to set the editors straight.  They have no interest in the truth, and you will waste valuable time and resources in trying to correct the article(in which case they win because fewer people will get your message..

    Sorry  (mc)Chris(tal)  I couldn’t resist the Pun.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 9:32pm

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    Davos

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    It is very apparent that the author did NOT watch the Crash Course. Community Building, Optimistic About Our Future, and the Next 20 Years Won’t Be Like The Past 20 is NOT a bunker mentality.

    Advocating that people be prepared for the future, a future that will be different is NOT a bunker mentality.

    Investing in gold at 300 when is up 400% today as opposed to this and this is NOT a bunker mentality.

    Fiat Currencies heading to 0

    stupidity crisis

    Without tossing around the moron word, I’m at a total loss of words.

    The absolute irony is I got the link to the Crash Course from a billionaire who was Buffett’s original 6 figure investor and college friend. I was hesitant to click on it because it lead me to a blog, not some mainstream news media site. Then the next email on this mailing chain was from the ex-Governor of a mid-western state who gave the resource chapters of the CC high marks.

    Ever since then I’ve weeded my RSS reader to 3 mainstream sites and blogs to 23.

    This article is proof of why the media is failing financially. This reporter not only didn’t do his readers any service he did them an absolute disservice.

    Who is the lunatic? Someone who preserved his wealth or some moron who listens to morons and thinks the morons who created this mess are telling the truth, capable of fixing or even know which end is up when the predict the future of our economy?

    Reporting like this makes it even more evident why most people got their clocks cleaned in 08 and so many more will get them totally flushed in 10-11. 

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 9:52pm

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    George here, the guy mentioned in the article that works at the Nuke Plant……….

    I talked with Pagan for over 45 minutes, and find it funny that she wrote what she did:

    One recent Crash Course convert, George Hults, works in the control room at the Pilgrim Nuclear Station in Plymouth. Last August, a general unease sent him roving around the Internet, where he discovered Martenson. Hults should have felt protected from economic Armageddon: When you’re the guy who stops nuclear meltdowns, you can be sure of a steady paycheck. Yet once he immersed himself in Martensonia, he began to worry. Hults would walk into a supermarket and marvel at the rotisserie chickens, trying to imagine how much oil it took to make that piece of food so absurdly convenient. “I don’t see products anymore,” he says. “I see oil.” Studying his own house, Hults thought, “What if oil goes away? Do I have backup systems?” He is now in the process of installing a solar hot-water heater, a gas fireplace, and a wood stove. He has started to grow vegetables.

    “Convert”? – Nope

    “General Unease”? – Nope (try math and logic)

    So I shouldn’t worry because I currently have a job? – Sorry, no can do!

    “Immersed himself in Martensonia” now THAT’S funny!!!

    Sees oil when I look at a rotisserie chicken? – You’re darn right!!

    Solar hot water? – installed and lovin’ it!

    Gas fireplace, wood stove, and garden? – On the list!

    Besides making us look like non-thinking worshipping followers, if it gets more people to the site, it was a good thing. As Chris has pointed out, people will go to the opposite end of the spectrum to avoid ANY changes, no matter how small. As soon as I talk to anyone about our unsustainable lifestyles, the first reaction is usually “what am I supposed to do? move to Montana, buy a cabin, and stock it with guns, beans, (or whatever).

    Even after the recent  water pipe break in Boston, and the more recent water contamination on the Cape in Falmouth, it’s almost impossible to get people to even invest in a Berkey water purifier.

    For her to be right in her non-preparedness, we have to be wrong by getting prepared. If they think I’m a kook, they’ll have to get in line behind friends, family and co-workers who have been thinking that for months.

     

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 9:55pm

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    Dave Martig

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    This article will bring a ton of people to the website. I found it mostly accurate if somewhat sensational. It is quite true that this site is about the next twenty years being very different and the need to prepare. It is necessary to write this way in mass market publications to hold the readers attention. How many people even read anymore?

    If you or anyone else wants control of the message then you have to put it out yourself. If you want control over what goes out in print in the mainstream press you have to have an ironclad contract giving final approval over what is published.

    As for the gun thing. I personally have sent people here to the site who were put off by the Definitive Firearms thread. It does give the site a survivalist persona.

    Finally  if it were me I would be ecstatic. Lots of publicity and they spelled the names right. One can argue the merits of good or bad publicity all day long but it is really hard to tell the final results from here.

    Pandoras box has been opened.

    V

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 10:26pm

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    I know no one wants to hear this but here goes:

    Three kinds of people will read this article:  

    1.  Too uninformed and disinterested to care.  They can’t be bothered to watch TCC and cannot be helped.  Their biases will be confirmed and they will continue in their cluelessness.  

    2.  Us and those like us.

    3.  Those people who are both salvageable and intellectually curious enough to go to the site and watch TCC.  30 seconds into Chapter 1, they will start to comprehend the truth and we will have added one to our ranks.  

    I see any reasonable exposure to ideas in TCC as an improvement at this point.  When TSHTF, they will all come around.  Keep up the good work, and remember that our future is far bigger than this article.  

    Living through Hurricane Alex in South Texas today.  Eye wall about 100 miles south of my house.  Not at all worried about someone else’s opinion of my preparations for an uncertain future.  I am glad, and I wish I had a bunker. . .  

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 10:32pm

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    ckessel

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    Chris,

    We now have a very real and factual example of how MSM functions to neutralize those who sincerely work to make the world a better place. We don’t have to present any belief based theories on how distortions of the truth are created by what seem to be credible and straight forward reporting by established publishing entities.We shall know them by their actions!

    Now we have the facts. I suspect there is a way to use this information to expose the truth of our predicament which in this case would be “fuzzy publishing”;  beware of what you read!We may even need to publish a “Guide to THE METHODS USED BY MSM TO ALTER THE TRUTH”.

    It is always interesting to me how those who choose to misrepresent the truth (in other words…commit harmful acts) also leave a clue as to their own true motivations. In this case they have accused you of doing what they themselves are in fact doing;  sensationalizing a story by altering the facts to sell more copy.

    Lesson well learned I am sure. As angry as I ( and most of the rest of those that visit your website) become over the blatant distortions of truth, we must also carry on with actions that are constructive. So I have not posted what I actually said or felt when I read the article……..I’m just adding another bit of hard won knowledge to my  files and sharpening my sword so to speak!

    I will write a comment to the editor of that piece……..after I am much less irritated that now!

    Coop

     

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 10:32pm

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    It would appear you have been “Rollingstoned”…..a lot of that going around lately. MSM likes to be fashionably progressive. 

    Keep up the excellent work.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 10:49pm

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    Rector

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    I know no one wants to hear this but here goes:

    Three kinds of people will read this article:  

    1.  Too uninformed and disinterested to care.  They can’t be bothered to watch TCC and cannot be helped.  Their biases will be confirmed and they will continue in their cluelessness.  

    2.  Us and those like us.

    3.  Those people who are both salvageable and intellectually curious enough to go to the site and watch TCC.  30 seconds into Chapter 1, they will start to comprehend the truth and we will have added one to our ranks.  

    I see any reasonable exposure to ideas in TCC as an improvement at this point.  When TSHTF, they will all come around.  Keep up the good work, and remember that our future is far bigger than this article.  

    Living through Hurricane Alex in South Texas today.  Eye wall about 100 miles south of my house.  Not at all worried about someone else’s opinion of my preparations for an uncertain future.  I am glad, and I wish I had a bunker. . .  

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 10:52pm

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    When I watched TCC and read the material posted here, it instantly became the first blog I read every day PRECISELY because it is NOT the extreme view but a caring, nurturing, hopeful – yet realistic view of things. I do not believe the article will do Chris any real long term harm. There is some truth to “there is no such thing as bad PR”. This could get a lot of attention and interest from people who will come to the site and judge for themselves. Stay the course, Martinson!!!!

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 10:53pm

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    Aaron M

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    Dr. Martenson,

    I’ve just got to throw this out there – I sincerely apologize for any disrepute I cost this website by creating DFT.
    I was so red in the face I couldn’t think reading the “finishing touch” of that article. Someone might as well just told me I left the burner on and burnt someone’s house down.

    This kind of myopic, counter-contextual slander is pretty shallow. Anyone limber minded enough to consider the implications of a social collapse should be responsible enough to consider self-defense.

    *Terribly* sorry for drawing you negative attention…

    Aaron

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 11:24pm

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    Amanda V

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    Chris

    I am shocked.  I do not recommend sueing this magazine – only because it is a pointless drain on your energy and time.  But I don’t understand how they could publish it thinking they couldn’t be sued ?

    I have put up my comment on the Boston Magazine site under the article.  I notice the number of sad faces who don’t like it, is growing very fast.  Which is one nice thing. 

    I encourage everyone on this site to comment on Boston Magazine’s CM article – noting that Chris’s request is that if we do, we do it in a calm, factual and collected manner.

    On the bright side, any publicity is good publicity.  At least according to the politicians.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 11:26pm

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    Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

    Chris:

    I’ve noticed some people expressing regret over allowing themselves to be profiled by mainstream media or documentary filmmakers. They always seem to be sympathetic and want to do a “positive” story.

    Then when the stuff hits the presses or cinemas, they realize what had happened. The reporters and filmmakers were only being nice to keep them off guard and gather all the information they needed to fit their own agenda, which often isn’t that of the people being profiled or interviewed.

    Hopefully more people will see through the media’s bull than not.

    Poet

     

     

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 11:31pm

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    Hey Aaron,

    Don’t beat yourself up. The writer cherry-picked the site searching for a thread like DFT. The DFT info will continue to help numeroso folks;the sheeple will forget the Sunday Globe a day later, except for those that come here and stick.

    SG

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 11:43pm

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    These people have no soul.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 11:54pm

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    Chris

    Try not to take it personally, even though it is personal.  I think V (post 20) is on the right track.  Most people understand how the media sensationalizes things.  If they are receptive to your message they will see through the cheap tricks and come to this site to learn more.  Many will stay.  Just remember the old saying, “All publicity is good.”

    There was a lot of good information in between the hype and they did recognize your sincerity.  “Yet Martenson seems driven solely by an urgent desire to share his ideas. His core message is still available at no charge. “  I would advise you to be more discrete on guns, gold storage, and anything a reporter can sensationalize.  You can see why public figures become experts at talking without saying anything after they have had this experience a few times. 

    The article was badly slanted, but think long and hard before responding further to Boston Magazine.  There is an old saying , “Never get into a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel.”  They will just make you look bad.  You have plenty of people who are happy to fight them on your behalf.  This is the price the media charges for the exposure they deliver.  I admire your dedication and the courage your family has displayed to expose yourselves this way in order to get the message out.

    However, the photo-shopped bunker was over the top.  I would pursue that.  Too bad they didn’t add a pitchfork to the photo of you and Becca (a la American Gothic painting) and use that. J

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2010 - 11:58pm

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    My comment to Boston Mag

    First, kudos to the other commenters at Boston Mag who are familiar with Chris and the Crash Course.  The comments have plainly been unhappy with the article but have made the criticism known without resorting to the kind of ranting that so often characterizes online communications.

    Here’s the comment I left:

    This article bears little resemblance to the man and the subject that it was supposedly written to cover. I read it, and then I read it again. The Crash Course is not about doom. Chris Martenson is not about doom. Martenson and his Crash Course are, at the most basic, about one thing and that thing is educating people on the three E’s (energy, economy and environment) so that they might have a better understanding of how this system in which we live actually works and what may (just may) happen to it if we don’t wake up and take steps far enough in advance to prepare for changes in the availability of finite resources. Is there even a link to the Crash Course in this article? There should be. And people that want to understand what Martenson is about should start there. I recommend the course highly.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 12:14am

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    Well Chris, as they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

    I wish you the best in getting through this as you have been of great import to me and mine.

    Some folks are just plain foolish, “and there ain’t nothin you can do bout that”.

    Although I’d wager you’ve learned a thing or two over this. Hang in there….

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 12:26am

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    [quote=Amanda V]

    These people have no soul.

    [/quote]No clue either. 

    How many people think she watched the Crash Course?

    I seriously doubt she did.

    “I’m optimistic about the future” + “The next 20 years won’t be like the last 20” ≠ ≠ ≠ ≠ ≠ ≠ ≠ ≠  (NOT EQUAL) Some Bunker Mentality. 

    Guns, chickens, gardens, gold are all things the average person isn’t acclimated to, has no exposure to. However, if they have any clue whatsoever as to the inner workings of the “economy” those things wouldn’t appear “bunkerish”. Either she didn’t watch the Crash Course or she is the first ‘flunkee’ of the Crash Course. 

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 12:27am

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    [quote=Aaron Moyer]

    Dr. Martenson,

    I’ve just got to throw this out there – I sincerely apologize for any disrepute I cost this website by creating DFT.
    I was so red in the face I couldn’t think reading the “finishing touch” of that article. Someone might as well just told me I left the burner on and burnt someone’s house down.

    This kind of myopic, counter-contextual slander is pretty shallow. Anyone limber minded enough to consider the implications of a social collapse should be responsible enough to consider self-defense.

    *Terribly* sorry for drawing you negative attention…

    Aaron

    [/quote]

    First, thank you all for your thoughtful and caring responses above and at the BM site.

    Second, Aaron, I appreciate your concern, and, truthfully, I would have felt the same as you, because we are built the same, and it’s totally unnecessary.  I am the one who makes the decisions for what topics remain “front and center” and which do not, and although I solicit a lot of opinions and ideas from others about what to include and exclude, it turns out that I am responsible for the inclusion and exclusion of topics and no one else.

    So let me soften all this somewhat.  Pagan, the author, left out a very important set of details about the shooting experience.  The way it unfolded is that during our conversations about everything else, she let slip (hint, hint, HINT) that on a past story assignment regarding gay activists who had decided to arm themselves to protect themselves from hate crimes, she had been offered a chance to go to the range with these fellows.  Sadly, it fell through and she’d love to go shooting (hint, HINT!) seeing as how this past chance had fallen through.  As a liberal from New England, the chance to go to the range does not come along that often, I guess. 

    At any rate, a special date was set up for her to come back and go to the range with me; could she bring a local friend?  

    Fortunately, I now understand, I happen to be extremely safety-conscious in my approach.  As it happens, my middle name is “captainsafety,” and I pressed her and her local guest (another woman) on many, many issues before we fired a single round.  I say ‘fortunately’ because I suspect that she checked the MA state laws after our session, and if I had been in violation of any of them, I see that she would have written about it and done what she could to get me in trouble. 

    Some background:  We did not drive down a dusty lane overhanging with branches scratching the car before we got to a wasteland of sand, or whatever was written; I forget the exact inaccuracies scribed.  We went through a fob-key-controlled automatic gate guarding the entrance to my gun club before heading down a 200 yard road (yes, gravel) to a set of shooting pavillions, each with their own metal-roofed bench areas and appropriately scaled berms.

    We started with Walther P22s, which each woman shot for a few clips, as did I.  I then asked if either would like to shoot a 9mm, again at 15 feet.  Pagan said yes(!).  Executing some nice incipient skill, she happened to drill her second shot though the center.  Kudos for that.

    What happened next, I have told around the campfire 3x since then because it is so funny.  This liberal NE woman, who had never shot a pistol before, and who had been schooled by me extensively on barrel and trigger finger awareness, etc, and whom I was standing right next to with my hands at the loose and ready (because I do not trust brand new shooters at all), commenced to hooting and hollering and – I kid you not – DANCING with her finger on the trigger of a pistol now precariously waving about in the air. 

    In all my years of teaching people how to shoot (20 years and counting), I have only ever made a move for and grabbed a gun from a student twice in my life.  This was one of those times.  She was elated by the experience and was visibly excited, so I did not tell her that I had only ever grabbed a gun twice out of fear, because I did not want to intrude on her excitement.  Her elation was so palpable during the whole ride back that 20 minutes later at home that my wife noted it and asked why she was so animated.  “I hit the center!!!” was the answer from the still-excited journalist.

    To have that somehow converted into what you read in the article is, I confess, one of the more profound betrayals of an experience in my life that I can readily recall – not because of how she pulled a single worried concern out of 2,000 comments and somehow tried to make me responsible for it (dumb, shallow, indefensible) – but because I took the time to give her a safe, quality, and exciting moment in her life and she still manged to used it to try and smear you, me, and everybody else. 

    Somehow that’ s worse. 

    When somebody takes the time, and effort, to share what they know, and care enough to educate you, using your positive and exciting experience to tar them seems especially tasteless in my world.  I will acknowledge that perhaps I take all this too seriously, but in my world when someone cares enough to teach me something, I am grateful, always thankful, and certainly never intentionally harmful.  But that, perhaps, is a characteristic that separates the various types.

    So rest easy.  “No good deed goes unpunished” is the lesson sometimes, but we can only do our best . 

    I hope these comments persist in the etherspace and that the next guy that Pagan Kennedy tries to con into providing her with an honest and helpful experience will manage to find this thread and realize that the best course of action is to just play dumb, pretend they have nothing to offer, and know that they’ve just saved themselves an extremely valuable afternoon and very probably some future heartburn.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 12:39am

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    [quote=geoman076]

    Hults would walk into a supermarket and marvel at the rotisserie chickens, trying to imagine how much oil it took to make that piece of food so absurdly convenient. “I don’t see products anymore,” he says. “I see oil.”

    [/quote]

    Guffaw!!!   I thought I was the only one that did that! 

    I feel so……. normal, now. 

    Thanks for that George.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 12:51am

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    Well, I placed my name where the title to the comments should be. LOL

    This is Pete. I wrote that the article had to be a hit piece. What I want to know is, Why? 

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 12:56am

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    Next time Doc, no interviews with the National Enquirer. (Captain Sheeple is available)

    Best….Jeff

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 1:30am

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    Dear Sir or Madam:

    After reading the article on Chris Martenson’s Crash Course I have come to the conclusion that one of two things caused this most inaccurate and irresponsible piece of journalism to be published. First, you, the editors did not perform due diligence in verifying the story that Pagan presented to you, or.. you intentionally approved a dishonest, distorted, sensationalist article for publication to boost sales for your magazine.

    As you (should) know, credibility is the only thing you have as (so-called) journalists in terms of marketability. Having been a member of Chris Martenson’s website for 18 months, and seen the gross distortion that you have painted of him, I can only wonder what other distortions you set to print for whatever motive it seems suits your fancy.

    However, the damage is done, and you have both distorted and assailed the character and credibility of a good man, who’s altruistic intentions are his only crime (in your eyes). To help bring about greater awareness of the utterly fraudulent journalism perpetrated by Boston Magazine, I have sent emails to family and friends linking them to the article and Chris’ website asking them to perform a sanity check as to the veracity of the article. Furthermore, I make claim to them that your article is a clear case of “the hand in the cookie jar”with respect to journalistic dishonesty and ask them to make the comparison for themselves and reach their own conclusions  I believe that this will show them firsthand an example of how journalism can be used to distort real events, real ideas, and real people into something other than they are. Well, at least at Boston Magazine.

    In short, I challenge them to make a case study out of if, and if satisfied and in agreement with my claim, to send it to 10-20 of their friends to bring greater awareness of mainstream media malfeasance. Although I am disgusted with your tactics, some good should come out of this. If I can demonstrate to people a good reason to neither trust, nor financially support mainstream publications such as yours, then it will be worth the effort.I will merely ask them to judge for themselves.

    Clearly you have given me a great incentive to do so. You will not clear Chris’ name, so the efforts of many will have to.

    P.S. I am bringing this article to the attention of the editors of other blogs who are sympathetic to Chris’ cause as well as several media watchdog groups. I’m sure that they’ll have a field day with it. I am also asking friends to do the same. You have a great power at your disposal. But it is a power than you have abused, and in doing so committed both journalistic fraud and betrayed the public trust. Thankfully, there now exists an alternative to mainstream media that can and will cast sunshine on your tactics and provide feedback to the public so that they may see the truth of this situation.

    See, I am exercising MY first amendment rights. I am just asking them to see for themselves and to reach their own conclusions. Now that’s good journalism. 

    Regards,

    Pete Bartels

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 1:44am

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    Davos

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    Jeremy Grantham recommended Chris Martenson in his GMO Grantham July 09 LINK

    I sincerely think this article was a drive by in the sense that she never watched the Crash Course. People of Grantham’s caliber recommend it. That tells anyone with an IQ this isn’t bunker crap.

    Reading and Listening List

    Hardin, Garrett. Living within Limits: Ecology, Economics, and Population Taboos, Oxford University Press, 1993. Bartlett, Albert A. The Most Important Video You’ll Ever See,

    Arithmetic, Population, and Energy

    . 2009 <http://www.youtube.com&gt;.Martenson, Chris.

    The Crash Course

    . 2009 <https://www.peakprosperity.com&gt;.

    xx

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:01am

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    It’s advocacy journalism: they teach young journalists that they can make a better world by twisting stories to push for changes in society. Perhaps the young lady who interviewed you had lovely motives and thought you and your “followers” were deluded. No matter, since old-style journalism seems to be dying from a lack of actual reporting leading ot a lack of actual readers.

    The cream always rises to the top, Chris. That’s why you’re there.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:02am

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    [quote=JAG]

    Next time Doc, no interviews with the National Enquirer. (Captain Sheeple is available)

    Best….Jeff

    [/quote]

    SurprisedSealedLaughingLaughing

    That’s the funniest thing yet!!  Thank you for the kind-hearted and best laugh I had today….all in good fun of course!

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:08am

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    Davos/All,

    that Jeremy Grantham investment article and his mention of the Crash Course in his footnote was how i found this website and the eye opening and perspective changing facts and information contained. Glad you mention that. Grantham is enormously intelligent and insightful in my mind and it is a big vote of confidence. Too bad he never really followed up on the issues in his subsequent writings, but perhaps next letter he will.

    Although everyone may be annoyed by the distortions and the goofy paranoid tilt she put on this article, i honestly believe many will read this, and come to the site, and watch the Crash Course as a result of it. The Crash Course is strong enough that it stands on it’s own and the creditibility and factual nature of the Crash Course will help many like me who stumbled on the site for a random reason. I’d say by lesson 4 or 5 much of the bias implanted by the article will be gone as information takes over – at least for those who’s mind are open to information.

    Though annoying for not capturing the message very well, i think the article will in the end bring many to the site, and allow the Crash Course to help them change their lives, understand world events better, and prepare for the future in a more effective way.

    Just trying to emphasize the time Chris spent with them was not wasted – it will in the end help some folks.

    Doug

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:11am

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    Hum, it appears that the church choir has their feathers ruffled.

    If I understand Chris’ desire and mission it is to educate anybody that wants to hear. This article will do just that. The agenda on this forum seems to implicitly suggest that the message needs to “get out there” in a specific manner, in this case it did not meet your criteria but it is getting out there. Frankly, (as if I wasn’t already) the number of people who will hear will be about the same regardless of the intent of this piece. Only those with the personal integrity to think independently will “hear” and they already think for themselves and will consequently either dismiss or check the data.

    Nothing has been lost here. In fact controversy is often good. Look at Palin, she has nothing and NO reason to be in the media but she masterfully exploits every bit of controversy she can. I’m not suggesting that you (Chris) emulate Palin, that hurts my head even thinking about it. But that this presents an excellent opportunity to be the anti-Chris if people ask or when you are speaking. Disappointingly, most people like the drama and controversy so by embracing it and even referring to it more people will look and have to decide for themselves.

    Sorry if I offended anybody, but the story is history – now run with it.

    Ross

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:18am

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    It seems to me that the bunker mentality stereotype is the reaction from almost everyone when I talk about self reliance and concern about the future.  It doesnt surprise me that the article would swing towards that point of view as that is what I most often get from friends, family and co-workers that I speak with about the 3Es.  I am creating hope for a new way of life, but they see a person who is trying to live in a way that they dont understand or necessarily respect.

    The information in the crash course appears so logical if a persons belief system is open to receiving it.  If not, then all the evidence in the world will only make it appear to be some kind of a cult or misguided belief system (with Chris at its helm). That idea seems to be implied in the Boton Mag article.

    Hundreds of years of prosperity is a hard track record to begin to have doubts about.   This is the reason why we still do things the way that we do … this has created our ‘sucess’, and ‘we’ will continue to follow that path .. until a new vision takes its place.

    The CM ‘story’ is competing with all the other belief systems out there attempting to explain why things are the way they are and what we should do about it.  Our ‘story’ may not be the one  that is ultimately chosen by our country to explain why things are the way they are whether it is correct or not.

    Time will tell.

     

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:19am

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    Davos

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    [quote=dgilmart]

    Davos/All,

    that Jeremy Grantham investment article and his mention of the Crash Course in his footnote was how i found this website and the eye opening and perspective changing facts and information contained. Glad you mention that. Grantham is enormously intelligent and insightful in my mind and it is a big vote of confidence. Too bad he never really followed up on the issues in his subsequent writings, but perhaps next letter he will.

    Although everyone may be annoyed by the distortions and the goofy paranoid tilt she put on this article, i honestly believe many will read this, and come to the site, and watch the Crash Course as a result of it. The Crash Course is strong enough that it stands on it’s own and the creditibility and factual nature of the Crash Course will help many like me who stumbled on the site for a random reason. I’d say by lesson 4 or 5 much of the bias implanted by the article will be gone as information takes over – at least for those who’s mind are open to information.

    Though annoying for not capturing the message very well, i think the article will in the end bring many to the site, and allow the Crash Course to help them change their lives, understand world events better, and prepare for the future in a more effective way.

    Just trying to emphasize the time Chris spent with them was not wasted – it will in the end help some folks.

    Doug

    [/quote]Doug I came here several years ago by way of another Jeremy Graham caliber investor. I can not tell you how upsetting it is to see some moron do a drive by media hit on this community or Chris. 

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:19am

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    Disappointing experience to say the least. This reporter sounds rather immature & seems like she would be a good writer for the National Enquirer or a cheap Detective magazine. Let’s face it how many people can we talk to about being self sufficient & they think you have gone over the edge?

    I really like firearms, collecting them & working on them. The machining & work that goes into them is a form of art too me.  The fact that they make a decent investment over funny little pieces of paper helps make even more sense to own them. Yet the media has brainwashed the feeble & mindless that these are for crazy radicals that like to live in bunkers LOL. You cannot win with ignorance.

    Our local newspaper requested an interview with me on a local issue which I agreed to. The paper already had their slanted view on the subject which I knew they were looking to twist if I wasn’t very careful. When the reporter arrived at my house I let her know that I had other family from out of state that were coming in & they wanted to see the interview also….so I would be taping this for them which she agreed to.

    She just took notes &asked questions. The article never came out because they did not feel comfortable enough to twist it into what they were looking for. I would recommend documenting these type of events to help keep people straight & make them think.

    You just have to let these people live in their virtual little world where they push their little buttons & somehow it all works. When their button breaks lookout below & hope they don’t land in my real world.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:27am

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    Slemelin

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    Chris,

    I just read it and although I agree with all that was said regarding the disappointing aspects of the article. I don’t think that it is all for nothing. I agree with those that believe those who read it and want to HEAR the message, WILL. It’s not all bad that’s for sure.  Your CD was originally given to me by a wealth manager in NYC who is ultra wealthy himself and he surely doesn’t think CM.com is fringe. I know it has changed my life and I’m an educated medical professional living in the REAL world. Thank you and your wife for putting yourselves out there.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:35am

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    soulsurfersteph

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    Look at the bright side, Chris. You have all these amazing people who just stood up for you and your work on the Boston Magazine website. There is not one comment there (so far) that is approving of the article. How lucky you are to have such avid fans who have gained so much by your work. I also posted a comment on the article and on their Facebook page. I am not a “follower” so much as someone who thinks your course is terrific.

    Focus on the positives…not everyone will have so many people stick up for them when bad journalism hits the newsstands. You are blessed!

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:35am

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    Aaron-

       You are not responsible for the author of the article’s distortion of your thread, and inability (or lack of attempt) to understand the context in which we see it.

       If I am flying in a plane, hit gut-wrenching turbulence, and the engine lights are flashing red, am I a fear-monger to make sure a parachute is nearby?  No!  Anyone limber-minded enough to consider the implications of a plane crash (or a potential societal collapse) is being responsible to consider self-preservation!  

       What the author of the article failed to grasp is that Chris is more like the person trying to guide that plane towards a safe landing place.  But risk management (and common sense) says that we, the passengers, would be fools not to have a “parachute” ready, just in case!!  Chris is a great navigator, but the plane we’re flying in is in bad shape, and the conditions are nasty! 

     

       Chin up, Aaron; I, and many other people here, value your contributions!

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:44am

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    Chris and family, I am sorry for the upset this story has caused you all.  I do hope others here are right, and the publicity will be for the good, all the same.

    JAG, you just rock! Smile(PS Hope you aren’t near the hurricane/Alex?)

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 2:47am

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    bluestone

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    Chris,

    The Boston Magazine article is so distorted it kind of amused me when I read it …. but exposure is exposure and I suspect it will still help the CrashCourse cause more than it hurts.

    I recently planted some apple trees in my back yard.  Some of my neighbors witnessed me committing this dastardly act. They literally treated me like I was from outer space…. how fringe is that, the thought of growing some of your own food?   Sad to say, but I would guess that to Pagan Kennedy’s eyes, when she saw your orchard, chickens and the gun club, you did look pretty fringe.  

    Brian

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:02am

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    I would say this woman had every intention of writing this story exactly the way she wrote it from the onset.  She then just led you down her path of lies.  It’s the way the media works, we all know that right?  

    I agree with the “just roll with it” comment.  If people are meant to understand, they will.  They will come to this site because something in them, tells them they should. 

    When they visit they will see the enormous help and hope for the future you offer.

    She got one thing right, the end of something is near.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:22am

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    Chris,

    Sorry you had to have this unfortunate experience but as the saying goes, lesson learned.  Your story has obviously been sensationalized and the bunker photochopping was definitely over the top.  As newspaper/magazines stories go, however, she really didn’t do too bad a job considering what she could have written if she were really out to ambush you.  I could be wrong but the sense I get is that she just wanted to create an unusual and interesting (albeit sensationalistic) story that would attract readers.  I don’t get the sense that she wanted to do a hatchet job on you.  She actually seemed to be harder on gold and guns than you.

    I’ve had several news stories done on me and truthfully, except for one exception, they bore only a passing resemblance to reality.  It was actually a publication written by teenagers with a journalistic bent which had the most accurate interview.  The others tended to play me up in a way that made me look better than I am, something that I personally found to be rather embarassing.  As a consequence of these distortions of the truth, I’ve refused other requests for interviews including a request to be featured on a TV program.  Interestingly, keeping somewhat of an air of mystery about what I do has been more positive for me professionally than anything the media has done.

    Your open and sharing nature is commendable and speaks highly of the type of person you are.  If I were in your shoes though, I would only do interviews if I had tighter control over the content and I would absolutely refrain from bringing these people into my home or personal haunts.  Media people, quite frankly, aren’t to be trusted and my dealings with them would be arms length and impersonal.

    It’s a shame these type of things have to happen but as I tell my kids, the real world is full contact and even the very best can take a hit.  The important thing is to shake it off and keep on going.  You’re doing a fantastic job and I, for one, am very grateful for all you’ve done.

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:23am

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    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Lesson learned and it won’t happen again I am sure. Keep up the good work. To those of us you have assisted in this broad educational effort and the peace of mind that comes from the preparedness, we salute you and your family. And JAG, thanks for the best laugh I have had in 6 months. chris

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:24am

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    Grass Roots is called that for a reason, a bloody good reason...

    My father was [screwed] over by 60 minutes decades ago when they came into our house and did the exact same thing to us.  The day after it was aired, at 7pm on a Sunday evening, there were camera crews camped on our front lawn.  I know how it feels. It is aweful. I am sorry you have had to endure this. I feel for you and your family, it really does hurt to have a message you believe in betrayed.

    My father started a charity for dieing children;  the article hung him out as a crook, it was slanted, it was lies.  The show gutted my father, he never really recovered, getting sick, getting cancer.  I no longer blame 60 minutes; can you blame a shark for biting people?  

    The Chinese have a lovely saying;  ‘It is in vein to look for yesterdays fish in the house of the Otter’

    I suggest that your message isn’t a main stream message, and as such it is not in the nature of the MSM to report such messages. Is it in vein to look for them to do so? Is the risk greater than the reward in attempting to do so? I dont know. 

    It seems to me that just as it is not in our nature to understand the exponential function, it is not in our nature to embrace the carrier of bad tidings.  The reporter that has slandered Chris is no different to the 99% of people that don’t get the message already; when they look at the world and they hate what they see [environmental destruction, human exploitation, starvation, criminality etc] they have to come up with a story, a view of the world and their place in it, that makes it ok for them to continue doing their part in keeping the system that supports the exploitation going. 

    I suggest that  we all put yourself in a no-win situation when we try to pass on the CC message to those that have not sought it out, because we all re-write history after the event.  After the dust settles from this, the greatest of crashes, we will all rewrite our personal histories to present to ourselves, and others, a picture of a ‘self’ that we can live with.

    Denial defines our species, we are the only beings that live in denial.  I suggest we take significant risks when we ignore that fact.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:25am

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    [quote=docmims]

    Welcome to hardball politics.  You have a message that is dangerous to the debt brokers: therefore you must be ridiculed, misquoted, and trivialized.  It’s the usuall modus operandi. 

    [/quote]

    Chris

    I gave them my 2cents (shame on them). I think docmims is right , you must be hitting close to home with your message.

    You have developed a fantastic community of diverse caring and intelligent people, no small accomplishment, that speaks volumes!  You have motivated and helped many people including me and mine.  And it continues to grow….

    Denise

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:28am

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    Boston Magazine heard from me too.  So sorry, Chris and family.  They missed a huge opportunity. 

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:59am

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    Chris and family,

    I am brand new to your site. I have watched Crash Course and thoroughly enjoyed it. Your style, clear and concise sentences and message kept my attention. Of course the prospects of the world you describe are scary but as humans we don’t want to face tough situations until absolutely necessary.

    The article I read seemed jaded as expected but I bet the author believes what you are predicting on some level and is scared because she is no where near prepared either. Mission accomplished! 

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 4:30am

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    While visiting with some close friends who think I’m “over reacting a bit” when I talk about the 3 E’s, I read the Boston.com article and was outraged.  My friends were curious enough about my reaction that they decided to read the article, and after a year of trying to get them to watch TCC, they finally started to watch it.  They got through the first 6 chapters with me right there with them, which they had always found an excuse not to do so in the past.  Guess what? They no longer think I’m crazy and are finally waking up!  Who would have thought that it would take this outrageous article to finally reach friends I care about. 

    Keep up the great work Dr. Martenson! Kudos to everyone here who has shown such great support.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 6:13am

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    It was really rich how the story delved into exactly nothing concerning the point of your message. Water off a duck’s back Chris. While bashing Gold, I bet she never thought about how fiat currency makes endless war possible…………..

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 7:11am

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    I don’t think it would have mattered how ‘sanitized’ the site or forums were… it looked like she was digging for dirt and determined to get it.  The fact is that she didn’t really have any ‘gotcha!’ bits, mostly just subjective associations and phrases taken out of context.  Heck, the phrases she quoted out of the Definitive Firearms Thread in many parts of the country (including my own) would have garnered unhappy but grudging agreement.  Given the subject and some of the unpleasant associations involved, the DFT is a very well-behaved and friendly thread.  And I find her mention of a ‘revolutionary wing'(?!?) of the Transition Towns movement gaining ground in the US both puzzling and amusing.

    I too left a comment.  And according to Chris’ wishes I even managed to do it in a respectful manner, without dropping phrases like “reminiscent of a college term paper hastily written 8 hours before it’s due”….  Not without temptation thoughTongue out

    (Seriously though, aside from the negative slant there did seem to be a hastily assembled, poorly edited, or rambling quality to it)

    – Nick

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 8:15am

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    http://www.pagankennedy.net/

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 9:10am

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    Lets look at the bright side

    It’s sad. The journalist either missed the point or did what journalists often tend to do: twist words and facts to obtain sensational misinformation.

    Of course this has a positive side. Many readers will take time to visit this site and follow the crash course. Negative advertisement is also advertisement. In the end the truth always wins. Especially when the truth is so widely spread over the world as Chris does with this website.

    Keep up the good work, Doc, and thanks for buying us time to prepare for resilient future.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 10:41am

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    Re: Lets look at the bright side

    In hindsight…would you really expect someone named “Pagan Kennedy” to be an trustworthy person? Wink

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 11:25am

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    People trust the media less than politicians. I agree that all publicity is good publicity, though often painful. This article will work in your favor and likely open up a whole new market of careful thinkers who are attempting to understand their emerging discontents. We are experiencing the front edge of a huge paradigm shift, and early messages are always challenged brutally. Your work is spreading virally, and the article will only increase your momentum. 

    I am one of the people who is new to your work Chris, though I have thought along these lines since the 70’s. I believe in a very short time you have become a true national figure who will be one of the bridge builders and interpreters of the big change.

    You have a capacity to explain the difficult future we face and remain resourceful. Any visitor  driven to your site via this article will see who you are and the tone of your message.  

    Few have ever thanked me for telling them that we face great change. Some viciously attack perhaps because they know the party is slipping away. Expect these attacks and biases to continue. This is one of the terms of gaining national prominence. I am sure looking back you will see the article as ramping up your momentum. You need that, we need that. The way I see this article, however unfair, as a vote for your significance. More media will come your way as a result of the article and your audience will widen. Sadly the distortions are the terms of being a messenger of change. 

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 11:47am

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    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. – Mahatma Gandhi
    If one interprets “win” as winning the argument it would appear that CM and his CC is somewhere between stages three and four.
    The MSM has failed us.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 12:23pm

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    Here is the letter I sent to the editors:
    Dear Editor,
    I just want to congratulate you on the outstanding piece of work your reporter did on the work of Dr. Chris Martenson. Boy, he really had me going there for a while. What, with his fact-based scientific approach, his clear thinking, and his sharp analytical skills that can’t be found anywhere else. But thanks to your article, now I really “get it” and see that he is just one of those scary militia-types who is out to profit by making me afraid. Whew. That was a close one, but now I can go dig up my gold to sell it so I can buy that Hummer I always wanted. Thanks, Boston Magazine, for setting me straight!
     
    Betsy Ames

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 12:48pm

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    Chris & others,

    I’m not surprised that a magazine that focuses on who the best lawyers in Boston are would do this.  We have been receiving Boston Magazine for years, only because my wife was the labor nurse for the editor many years ago, and they gave her a lifetime subscription.  Most of the time I find this magazine offensive at best.  It’s not surprising that the article about Chris and his family would be twisted this way, and of course it’s placed between plastic surgery ads.  I read the article last night, before seeing this blog entry, and was really sadened by it.  The message was totally twisted.  On the other hand, those who read Boston Magazine faithfully will be the last to wake up anyway, and of course the first to say “who saw that coming”.

    On a positive note, this article indicates to me that I still have a little more time to get my own act together, because the ignorance is clearly still widespread.

    Dean

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 1:09pm

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     Hello All,

       I agree with the idea that this article is a net positive for raising awareness of the CC. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but she did get one thing right in the article from my perspective . . . she described me pretty well. I am an older white male with assets that I would like to protect (not that there’s anything wrong with that). What if the are similar folks who read the article and who’ve had an uneasy feeling in the pit of their stomach for some time now? They want an overview, a context to form a plan of concrete actions to handle any future. They WILL watch the CC. Ms Kennedy just did them a great favor. The other readers, blissful in their ignorance, will be mildy amused and forget the article by tommorrow’s episode of ‘The Kardashians’.

      I found Ms Kennedy’s myspace page. Based on what I found there, I don’t think there was any chance the CC was going to get a fair shake. Just my opinion.

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 1:32pm

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    [quote=livsez]

    While visiting with some close friends who think I’m “over reacting a bit” when I talk about the 3 E’s, I read the Boston.com article and was outraged.  My friends were curious enough about my reaction that they decided to read the article, and after a year of trying to get them to watch TCC, they finally started to watch it.  They got through the first 6 chapters with me right there with them, which they had always found an excuse not to do so in the past.  Guess what? They no longer think I’m crazy and are finally waking up!  Who would have thought that it would take this outrageous article to finally reach friends I care about. 

    Keep up the great work Dr. Martenson! Kudos to everyone here who has shown such great support.

    [/quote]Proof that the moron never watched the cc before doing the write.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:17pm

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    To Chris and all you other “zealots”-

    hehe, bet that got someone’s attention.

    You (ok, we) are trying to tell people their way of life is over.  We are doing this with simple math and logic.  There will be people that will hate this message, that do not want change, especially any change that reduces in any way their exorbitant, unsustainable lifestyle.  When confronted with data that they are unable to refute, they become angry, and that anger will be directed at the messenger.  I have experienced this myself on several occasions.  I’ve been talking about the problem of fiat money for about 15 years.

    What was written was clearly a deliberate attempt to “kookify” the concept that we cannot continue on our present course.  The longer people stay in the dark, the longer they will place misguided faith in a broken system, and the longer the people benefitting from this system will be able to milk it.  Fiat money has no value without faith, and you are attacking the very core of their faith-based system!

    That’s the real reason to attack Chris and anyone like him, to preserve the status quo for as long as possible.  I would not expect fair treatment from anyone in the mainstream media, they are owned by masters that have a vested interest in preserving the current regime.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:28pm

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    My letter to the editor-

    Good Morning-

    I have enjoyed several of your articles in the past, but this morning I read one that seemed out of context for your publication. The article on Chris Martenson seemed more like propaganda than reporting. I realize Mr. Martenson has been distributing information that is quite troubling to many people, but a better approach would have been to attack the data that he presents. I myself have been attempting to do so for several months, and so far have been unable to. I suspect that is why the article is written to ridicule rather than refute.

    If you cannot make a logical argument against what Mr. Martenson is “preaching”, perhaps you should consider an apology? This article unfortunately dilutes your publication’s credibility.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:29pm

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    I hate to say it, Chris, but it’s common knowledge that the press does this kind of thing.  I am surprised that a researcher like yourself didn’t check out the reporter before agreeing to be interviewed. 

    I took a look at the pagankennedy.org website.  That photo alone would have made me back off.

    At any rate, your efforts have gained some publicity in the mainstream audience. 

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:31pm

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    Delete duplicate comment. 

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:35pm

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    Mr. Martenson, fuhgetaboudit.  You’re a good guy doing good things. 

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 3:41pm

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    Well, I’ve just read the article that has created quite a stir here at home base, and I have to say I’m a bit underwhelmed. I didn’t really see it as a hit piece on Chris Martenson, his family, or his work.

    Is it an embarrassing and poorly written article brimming with self-congratulatory snark? That’s beyond doubt. But did she really bash gold or guns? I’m not so sure. Though she certainly addressed these issues — however cursorily — with a childish and uninformed eye. A canned comment from a generic, mainstream economist regurgitating dogma hardly serves as a rebuttal to those who’ve bought gold — and made great returns doing so! Likewise, her gun-wielding anecdote — framed as high-school adventure –doesn’t serve as a condemnation of gun ownership or even an oblique criticism of gun rights.

    But I see the dominant strain within her work to be that of pure ignorance. Distilling her into a stereotype so as to make personal criticism of her more believable, it seems that she is a pop culture-nista who can only see and interact with things with the aforementioned snark, obligatory irreverence, and insincerity required of her ilk to gain acceptance — most typically for which the forums are various “social networking“ platforms. These people abhor sincerity, fear (which is a form of sincerity), personal/emotional investment (because that creates vulnerability) and personal expression (though curiously this demographic is the most likely to be self-declared “artists”).

    That aside, I think the most important take-away that may be being missed here is that her reaction to the work of Chris Martenson and this website is more or less the way most people feel about it. It’s a culturally pre-selected and pre-determined reaction that conveniently places the subject into the Mad Max box and then ridicules them/it for, essentially, not being bullish enough on America and the status quo. So in this sense, Ms. Kennedy’s article is accurate — both to her and tens of millions of Americans who are forced by fear and cultural control to see Chris in the exact same light. This represents “the movement’s” biggest challenge — those who are unaware that they‘re even carrying water for the high priests and cultural managers.

    And to those concerned that this could derail Chris. Don’t be. Go back and read the article again. It’s utter lack of seriousness and odd non-addressing of Chris’s fundamental points will be apparent to even critics of the Crash Course. It’s so ham-handed, so transparent, so naïve it could practically be an ironic piece in The Onion created to lampoon people just like Pagan Kennedy.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 5:17pm

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    maincooncat, post 77

    You have made an excellent analysis of the article and its implications.  I suspect that after we all get over our personal sense of outrage we will be able to see this more clearly.

    You wrote — ” … it seems that she is a pop culture-nista who can only see and interact with things with the aforementioned snark, obligatory irreverence, and insincerity required of her ilk to gain acceptance.”

    After visiting her web site and Wikipedia listing I think you have her pegged.  She is primarily a novelist by profession.

    You wrote — “That aside, I think the most important take-away that may be being missed here is that her reaction to the work of Chris Martenson and this website is more or less the way most people feel about it. It’s a culturally pre-selected and pre-determined reaction that conveniently places the subject into the Mad Max box and then ridicules them/it for, essentially, not being bullish enough on America and the status quo. So in this sense, Ms. Kennedy’s article is accurate — both to her and tens of millions of Americans who are forced by fear and cultural control to see Chris in the exact same light. This represents “the movement’s” biggest challenge — those who are unaware that they‘re even carrying water for the high priests and cultural managers.”

    So is our sense of outrage and desire to demean the message of Page Kennedy a mirror of the response of the broader culture to us?  That’s worth some thought.  Chris’s challenge is based on facts and logic, whereas hers was not.  But a lot of people don’t have the capability to evaluate Chris’s facts and logic, and we’ve all seen predictions that seem logical but don’t come to pass.  Most people will fall back on what they believe.

    As Chris has often said, challenging beliefs provokes strong reactions.  It works both ways.  All of us need to remember that we carry a threatening message  people don’t want to hear.  We have to control our own reactions to hostility to be effective.  It ain’t easy.

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 5:46pm

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    Re: Bunkers 'R' Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take ...

    [quote=mainecooncat]

    Well, I’ve just read the article that has created quite a stir here at home base, and I have to say I’m a bit underwhelmed. I didn’t really see it as a hit piece on Chris Martenson, his family, or his work.

     

    [/quote]

    I agree…I did not think it was a totally disastrous piece…but you were spot on about her level of “snark.”

    I think my big issue with her article is that she cannot have possibly watched the Crash Course and written that. That is just plain irresponsible.

    And yet, THIS woman is a visiting writer in non-fiction at Dartmouth? Wow. No wonder our journalism is in the sorry state it is in today.

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 5:48pm

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    Brush it off, Chris. Slander and attack is the lot of those who take a stand, follow the truth and their heart, but all that is of no consequence – it will not hurt you or your work. Time will show what is what. Here’s my response letter to the editor of Boston Magazine:

     

    Regarding Boston Magazine article “The End is Near” by Pagan Kennedy, published online June 24 2010:

     

    I cannot understand how Boston Magazine came to the conclusion that Chris Martenson’s motives are personal financial gain and that his service is designed to destroy confidence in the status quo, promote doomsday thinking and encourage survivalism.

    On the contrary, he is clarifying an understanding that people everywhere are increasingly sensing is the reality:  that the old economic model and human ecology is no longer relevant or positive, and that a bright new paradigm is rising, including a better economy and a higher quality of life.  He suggests how to get there gracefully and, in case the road there is rocky, how to stand on our own feet and help our society. 

    I would call his motives and service a sincere concern for humanity and the Earth, basic common-sense risk management, intelligence and vision for positive outcome through positive, cooperative action at the grassroots and government levels. 

    If this article was meant to be objective, why didn’t it mention the recognized limits we are exceeding in all aspects of our life support  –  especially manageable debt, natural resources  and fossil energy –  which the establishment is ignoring or not addressing adequately in favor of maintaining the status quo? 

    Why didn’t the article mention the abuses of the fiat monetary system and apparent attendant manipulation of the markets through distorted government data to create false confidence? 

    Why didn’t it mention that at the recent G20 meeting the majority of countries chose to bail out of the Fed’s bailout strategy, in consonance with Martenson’s objective assessment, or that Martenson recently presented his big picture assessment on invitation to government leaders at the UK House of Commons?  

    Why did the article not state that Martenson’s assessment of the significance of Peak Oil on our way of life is shared by prominent oil geologists, economists and the DOE’s own risk assessment efforts in the 2005 Hirsch report, apparently shelved to maintain “confidence” in the status quo? 

    In publishing this article did Boston Magazine consider that America might indeed be going down the wrong path, that we may be caught unawares and that this could be tragic?   And that the primary reason for this is ignorance due to the failure of the press in its sacred role to make the truth available to the people.  Is Boston Magazine on the status quo and ignorance bandwagon? 

    What a disappointment!  This article distorts the truth and slanders a truthful person and servant of humanity.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 5:59pm

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    [quote=mainecooncat]

    But I see the dominant strain within her work to be that of pure ignorance. Distilling her into a stereotype so as to make personal criticism of her more believable, it seems that she is a pop culture-nista who can only see and interact with things with the aforementioned snark, obligatory irreverence, and insincerity required of her ilk to gain acceptance — most typically for which the forums are various “social networking“ platforms. These people abhor sincerity, fear (which is a form of sincerity), personal/emotional investment (because that creates vulnerability) and personal expression (though curiously this demographic is the most likely to be self-declared “artists”).

    That aside, I think the most important take-away that may be being missed here is that her reaction to the work of Chris Martenson and this website is more or less the way most people feel about it. It’s a culturally pre-selected and pre-determined reaction that conveniently places the subject into the Mad Max box and then ridicules them/it for, essentially, not being bullish enough on America and the status quo. So in this sense, Ms. Kennedy’s article is accurate — both to her and tens of millions of Americans who are forced by fear and cultural control to see Chris in the exact same light. This represents “the movement’s” biggest challenge — those who are unaware that they‘re even carrying water for the high priests and cultural managers.

    [/quote]

    Beautifully written. I don’t need to read the article to know that this critique of Pagan Kennedy’s standard MSM dribble is spot on.

    Eah gads!! Sometimes you can tell a book by its cover.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 7:15pm

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    Davos

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    [quote=soulsurfersteph]

    [quote=mainecooncat]

    Well, I’ve just read the article that has created quite a stir here at home base, and I have to say I’m a bit underwhelmed. I didn’t really see it as a hit piece on Chris Martenson, his family, or his work.

     

    [/quote]

     

    I think my big issue with her article is that she cannot have possibly watched the Crash Course and written that. That is just plain irresponsible.

    And yet, THIS woman is a visiting writer in non-fiction at Dartmouth? Wow.

     

    [/quote]+1. My take exactly – and believe me I told her so much via an email. The 3E’s are CM’s DNA. Leaving that “little tidbit” out is like leaving BP out of who created the spill.

    Bernanke taught at Princeton. Summers went to an ran Harvard. Dartmouth means nothing, all these fine universities seem to be perfectly capable of hiring morons.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 7:23pm

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    earthwise

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    Well, at least The Pagan got a good picture of your chicken. It appears that she (the chicken) pumps out lots of good eggs!Laughing

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 7:25pm

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    Farmer Brown

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    [quote=xraymike79]

    [quote=mainecooncat]

    But I see the dominant strain within her work to be that of pure ignorance. Distilling her into a stereotype so as to make personal criticism of her more believable, it seems that she is a pop culture-nista who can only see and interact with things with the aforementioned snark, obligatory irreverence, and insincerity required of her ilk to gain acceptance — most typically for which the forums are various “social networking“ platforms. These people abhor sincerity, fear (which is a form of sincerity), personal/emotional investment (because that creates vulnerability) and personal expression (though curiously this demographic is the most likely to be self-declared “artists”).

    That aside, I think the most important take-away that may be being missed here is that her reaction to the work of Chris Martenson and this website is more or less the way most people feel about it. It’s a culturally pre-selected and pre-determined reaction that conveniently places the subject into the Mad Max box and then ridicules them/it for, essentially, not being bullish enough on America and the status quo. So in this sense, Ms. Kennedy’s article is accurate — both to her and tens of millions of Americans who are forced by fear and cultural control to see Chris in the exact same light. This represents “the movement’s” biggest challenge — those who are unaware that they‘re even carrying water for the high priests and cultural managers.

    [/quote]

    Beautifully written. I don’t need to read the article to know that this critique of Pagan Kennedy’s standard MSM dribble is spot on.

    Eah gads!! Sometimes you can tell a book by its cover.

    [/quote]

    LOL and +1!!!!

    I think mainecooncat’s psycho-analysis is so spot-on, it’s like listening to Hannibal Lecter (no offense intended, MCC)!

    I had the same impression of her from the picture as well – as soon as I saw that, I knew exactly where she was coming from.  Although I do hate to be so judgemental, sometimes it’s just way too freakin’ obvious. Chris, I would have run the other way as soon as I saw her!

    FB

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 7:27pm

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    Davos,

    And producing them =)
    (…not to say some very intelligent people don’t come from there as well)

    Dr. Martenson,

    Thanks for the words. After giving it a day to think over, this kind of writing is going to come across as lazy and incongruous with the materal presented. It’s akin to some idiot shouting “Sure the emporer has clothes, just look!” while pointing a pompous finger at a naked emporer, head held high.

    All truth truly passes through the 3 phases, and this is just a sure sign of progress.

    Cheers to all,

    Aaron

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 7:39pm

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    Davos

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    [quote=Aaron Moyer]

    Davos,

    (…not to say some very intelligent people don’t come from there as well)

     

    [/quote]I know several. Each and everyone of them has common sense in addition to brilliance that got them in the school. Every moron with lots of book smarts I read about or know have 0 common sense. Leaving out the Crash Course, which is Chris’s genetic make up is definitive proof Pagan is not a journalist and probably will never be one. I like her style of writing and I’m certain she can crank out some creative fiction. But when it comes to journalism the word utter and absolute moron comes to mind.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 7:52pm

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    LadyMondegreen

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    Chris, as someone who has written for Boston Magazine (it’s not the Boston Globe Magazine, by the way, it’s an entirely different publication) I suggest you let this go. This is standard slick magazine journalsm.  The last article I wrote for BM (obviously, my name here is not my byline) was about one of the US’s richest men, who happened to be a lovely human being, a philanthropist, and someone who changed my life simply by letting me interview him.

    The editor accepted my draft as submitted, but wanted me to go back and ask him how he felt when his 8-year-old daughter was killed by a motorist while riding her bike. I refused. I’m sure you don’t need me to explain why.  I never got another assignment from that editor.

    Negativity is what sells. That’s the fault of the audience, not the publication. They’re just responding, trying to make a living.

    Step back a bit, put your ego on hold for a while, and you’ll see that the article says more about the writer and her world view than about you and your motives. Think like a politician and you’ll realize the wisdom of the saying, “Say whatever you want about me, as long as you spell my name right.”

    Readers will be intrigued by what they read about you. Some will seek out your work. None will stay away because they’re turned off by the fact that you get paid for some of what you do.

    This article will not hurt you, unless you let it.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 8:11pm

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    2000 posts and the most sensational statements she can make are:

    Now I want to see what Martenson’s brethren say about firearms. On his website, I click through various forums and a “definitive firearms” thread, which contains more than 2,000 comments, plus instructions for building a home arsenal. “I dread the day that I might need to defend my family and friends with a gun. But, I realize that is a very real possibility,” a member writes in one forum. Another comments that once enough people get desperate, “it might be too late to avoid some blood in the streets.”

    I found that to be very telling of the CM community’s altruistic nature.

    If this were any other forum community discussing firearms and preparations the posts she’d read would have led her to peg us all as Ruby Waco.

    The DFT is a valuable part of the CM community.

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 8:58pm

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    [quote=solarphil]

    In publishing this article did Boston Magazine consider that America might indeed be going down the wrong path, that we may be caught unawares and that this could be tragic?   And that the primary reason for this is ignorance due to the failure of the press in its sacred role to make the truth available to the people.  Is Boston Magazine on the status quo and ignorance bandwagon? 

    What a disappointment!  This article distorts the truth and slanders a truthful person and servant of humanity.[/quote]

    +10!  Well said, solarphil!

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 9:17pm

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    Boston Magazine, refered to as BM in several post on this thread.  I got a good laugh from that.

    BM was the code word my wife and I used for a certain bodily function while potty training our children.

     

     

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  • Thu, Jul 01, 2010 - 9:41pm

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    The ethics of newsgathering has been a point of contention for reporters for years.  “Every journalist who is not too stupid or too full of himself to notice what is going on knows that what he does is morally indefensible,” Janet Malcolm wrote in The Journalist and the Murderer, an ethics study rated as one of the Top 100 works of non-fiction in the 20th century, “He is a kind of confidence man, preying on people’s vanity, ignorance or loneliness, gaining their trust and betraying them without remorse.”

    ...

    …the propaganda model of journalism.  One that is marked by reporter’s dependence on officials for “information subsidies” and a fear of reprisal for reporting unkind information.

    The Fourth Estate or the Fourth Stooge? Mainstream press react to 

    I’m sure Pagan Kennedy already had preconceived notions of CM – a fringe survivalist, gun-toting, anti-government, end-of-days, gold-hoarding movement. These narrow views may be selectively drawn from some of the threads in the discussion forum, but in no way do they appear in the central message of the CM Crash Course, something Pagan evidently overlooked in her zeal to put out a titillating article. She took advantage of a real concern that CM has for this country and the world and twisted it into a loony tune bunker mentality. And so one would have to conclude that CM’s best interests, as well as that of the American public and the world, were not best served. 

     

     

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2010 - 1:47am

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    Dear Chris,

    I wrote a brief post yesterday to let you know that I, too, have sent my 2 cents in to Boston Magazine.  Can’t find it on the blogs here on CM.com, so I am reposting.  Mostly I just want to echo what others have said.  And also to say, to BM… what a shame that they missed an opportunity to produce an important piece of journalism and to make a contribution to our world, the sort of contribution you have been knocking yourself out to bring to public awareness. 

    from my letter:

    “I rushed to read the Chris Martenson article in the July issue of Boston Magazine, and I can’t tell you how disappointed I am that Chris Martenson’s ideas aren’t reported with the gravity and substance they deserve. Your writer doesn’t even mention Chris’s core premise about how the three E’s (energy, economy, environment)are linked in an unsustainable way. Chris’s ideas are wonderfully accessible to average people, his website is visited every day by serious thinkers and he has received growing recognition around the world for his ability to explain complicated economic theory and to address audiences composed of average folks, serious academics, and professional investors. He has been invited to speak all over the country and most recently in the UK and in Norway. He’s made himself and his urgent message available to anyone who is willing to listen and learn. He is a person of integrity who works tirelessly to promote ideas that he realizes we all need to understand. I am just awfully dismayed to see him and his family misrepresented and private information revealed in such a careless and flimsy article. And what a disappointment that an opportunity to educate your readers has been missed. “

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2010 - 2:24am

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    [quote=LadyMondegreen]

    Chris, as someone who has written for Boston Magazine (it’s not the Boston Globe Magazine, by the way, it’s an entirely different publication) I suggest you let this go. This is standard slick magazine journalsm.  The last article I wrote for BM (obviously, my name here is not my byline) was about one of the US’s richest men, who happened to be a lovely human being, a philanthropist, and someone who changed my life simply by letting me interview him.

    The editor accepted my draft as submitted, but wanted me to go back and ask him how he felt when his 8-year-old daughter was killed by a motorist while riding her bike. I refused. I’m sure you don’t need me to explain why.  I never got another assignment from that editor.

    Negativity is what sells. That’s the fault of the audience, not the publication. They’re just responding, trying to make a living.

    Step back a bit, put your ego on hold for a while, and you’ll see that the article says more about the writer and her world view than about you and your motives. Think like a politician and you’ll realize the wisdom of the saying, “Say whatever you want about me, as long as you spell my name right.”

    Readers will be intrigued by what they read about you. Some will seek out your work. None will stay away because they’re turned off by the fact that you get paid for some of what you do.

    This article will not hurt you, unless you let it.

    [/quote]

    Well said, thank you for sharing that first post.

    I was recently slammed and name-called elsewhere when trying to promote awareness of economic and energy issues, but I just let it go – because I realized it was not about me – it was about them.

     

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2010 - 2:49am

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    mayerde

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    [quote=LadyMondegreen]

    Negativity is what sells. That’s the fault of the audience, not the publication. They’re just responding, trying to make a living.

    Step back a bit, put your ego on hold for a while, and you’ll see that the article says more about the writer and her world view than about you and your motives. Think like a politician and you’ll realize the wisdom of the saying, “Say whatever you want about me, as long as you spell my name right.”

    This article will not hurt you, unless you let it.

    [/quote]

    Hi Dr. M,

    I’m surprised 2X.  I didn’t think the article was THAT bad… actually it didn’t fall TOO FAR BELOW my expectations. But, those are pretty low these days, especially for anything “mainstream.”

    I’m also very surprised by this community. I didn’t find myself gettting all up in arms until I started reading many of the comments. Upon reflection, my outlook is very different living in Alabama. We are rarely treated as well as you, but we’ve come to accept it.

    I remember last year when I found out from Janet Incompetano that I am a right wing extremist. (.. those that are former military, oppose abortion or attend church regularly are more likely to be…) I had NEVER thought of myself that way.  Most of my coworkers found out about the same time. We talked alot about it and supported eachother thru it. Now we’ve come to terms with the labeling and can even joke about it. But we do not have an important message that we are trying to share with the world.

    While I jest about coping mechanisms, my best suggestion is to continue doing what you are doing. Your message is clear from your website and your works, and I think it is important. You might take a few lessons from this, though. Resist any overture that might detract from or distract your message (like the shooing range). Be clear about what photographic editing you will allow. Maintain final approval rights. etc.

    Most of all, don’t stop your mission because of one misleading article. After all, the author might be truly incompetent, totally biased/stereotyping, or THEY might have kidnapped her small child and forced her to do it!!!!!

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2010 - 2:56am

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    Davos

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    Well I admire the high road some take. I’m not putting my hoofs on that path.

    I myself have a major issue with the press not doing it’s job. IMO it is why we are where we are today. This charge card that our elected morons and the “Fed” toss around so they can get re-elected and God knows what from lobbyist- the bill for their reprehensible spending comes to us, and our kids, and our kid’s children. If people had a financial clue they’d put a stop to this insanity. Bailing out criminals for criminal fraudulent loan making – that is what the bailout was, and it wasn’t 700 billion it was north of 10 trillion with an additional hook for another 10+/-.

    And where is the press on that? Covering some small time moron like Madoff, that is where. 

    I’m totally convinced that she didn’t watch the Crash Course, which literally is the DNA that makes up Chris. It is what Chris lives for, lives by and promotes. She missed it. She didn’t even hit the side of the barn. She shot the other way.

    If she watched it and printed that then I’d have to use the M word to describe my thoughts.

    I emailed her and flat out told her she is a talented writer but should stick to fiction, she has no business as a journalist, she should find a different career. And I’m not being mean – that is just the reality of the situation. Jeremy Grantham and the billionaire who sent me CM’s link and the ex-Governor who chimed in on CM’s work wouldn’t recommend some bunker loon.

    The press has lost it’s pedigree and I am thankful for fine blogs and virtual communities like this.

     

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2010 - 8:52am

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    Re: Bunkers 'R' Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take ...

    In regard to Wikipedia, isn’t this particular issue somewhat newsworthy?

    Surely there must be a seasoned writer lurking in our midst who has the way-with-all to write a little something into an inordinately squeaky-clean Wikipedia past history?

    Here, let me give a helping hand …

    Pagan Kennedy’ Wikipedia page

    …taking into account a piece of script at the bottom of it:-

    [quote=Wikipedia]

    This article about a fiction writer from the United States is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. 

    [/quote]

    Before you take the bull by the horns however, have a watch through John pilger discussing what real journalism is about, from an old-school perspective …

    [quote=]

    John Pilger ~ “Propaganda by Journalism

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4258131083758254736

    Transcript

    [/quote]

    [quote=F. Scott Fitzgerald]

    From the book – The Great Gadsby

    ‘I couldn’t forgive him or like him, but I saw that what he had done was, to him, entirely justified. It was all very careless and confused. They were careless people, Tom and Daisy—they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made. …

    [/quote]

    ~ VF ~

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2010 - 10:59am

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    Re: Bunkers 'R' Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take ...

    “Martenson’s average client is a type-A male who has watched Crash Course and fears losing his savings in a blink.”

    Hey, I resemble that remark!Wink

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2010 - 8:05pm

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    soulsurfersteph

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    Re: Bunkers 'R' Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take ...

    People, I know it’s tempting to want to go out and trash Pagan’s Wikipedia page, but if she gets attacked too much, her next article will be “How those Crazy Chris Cultists Stalked Me Online” or some such nonsense. Let her be. She’s not worth it.  

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2010 - 8:26pm

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    Personally, I don’t think the article is nearly as bad as some think. I found it quite readable and could bring me to check into what Chris is talking about. I think that almost any publicity is good ( some better than others admittedly), but this one comes down on the plus side as far as I’m concerned. I posted the following on the Boston Magazine site (or at least asked to have it posted)

     

    I have been a follower of Chris for several years now and have developed the highest of respect for him and his message – especially his “Crash Course”
    While the article may not entirely capture Chris’ story and position as accurately as one could hope for, I find it acceptably done and will, I hope, encourage more people to look deeper. I don’t think any article will really capture what is going on here anyway.
    I strongly encourage any readers of the article to take the time and go to the source at http://www.PeakProsperity.com to find out what may be the most important information you will ever learn.
    Jim

    I have been a follower of Chris for several years now and have developed the highest of respect for him and his message – especially his “Crash Course” While the article may not entirely capture Chris’ story and position as accurately as one could hope for, I find it acceptably done and will, I hope, encourage more people to look deeper. I don’t think any article will really capture what is going on here anyway.I strongly encourage any readers of the article to take the time and go to the source at http://www.PeakProsperity.com to find out what may be the most important information you will ever learn.

    Jim

    Jim

     

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2010 - 9:06pm

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    Re: Bunkers 'R' Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take ...

    Well, I am quite humbled and uplifted by the many thoughtful, careful and sometimes impassioned responses to this article.  I will admit to being initially dismayed by the lost opportunity to tell the story right, and by a bit of disappointment that the author had been unable to professionally shelve her own biases and beliefs in the interest of capturing the true essence of the material at hand (which we offered up generously and on a silver platter).

    No matter, what’s done is done and I, more than most, am in a position to appreciate the lack of clarity that being in “stage one” affords the normal person.  The author is not the member of some special tribe of gatekeepers, she’s just another person who has to struggle with the enormous emotional implications of this material.  No higher, no lower, no better, no worse.  Just like us, in other words.

    I can (not so fondly) recall my earliest states of mind as I wrestled with this material.   I think that everybody here who is at “stage II” and beyond would do well to remember the early days, myself included.

    I need to also place a very strong request here to not bombard, harass or otherwise try to “teach Pagan a lesson” by email, Facebook, MySpace, or Wiki, or any other way.   There’s nothing to gain there, and something to lose.

    All in all, I’ve taken to heart the idea that any press is good press.  I’m closer to adopting the politician’s credo of, “Write anything you want about me, just be sure to spell my name right!

    As far as Boston Magazine is concerned, I presume this is all a hit.  The End is Near Inc is now at the top of the Most Popular list on their web stats for the past 24 hours measure as well as the past 7 days measure.  Traffic is as traffic does, to quote Forrest Gump.

    Do I lament a lost opportunity to get our core message and information out there? You bet.  Is this an unmitigated disaster?  No, there are positives and negatives and time will reveal the balance between the two. 

    So, have a great weekend and thank you to everybody who contributed to the conversation, your words are still reverberating in our ears, hearts and minds. 

    More later….

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2010 - 9:42pm

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    Vanityfox451

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    Re: Bunkers 'R' Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take ...

    [quote=soulsurfersteph]

    People, I know it’s tempting to want to go out and trash Pagan’s Wikipedia page, but if she gets attacked too much, her next article will be “How those Crazy Chris Cultists Stalked Me Online” or some such nonsense. Let her be. She’s not worth it.

    [/quote]

    Hi Steph,

    That isn’t my reasoning toward Pagan Kennedy’ Wikipedia page. There would be value in updating the account, as it appears to be outdated, based on present events. Simply put, if Wikipedia isn’t drawn upon soon, I will personally put it to task.

    There is a president at stake here, and it is one that has been proven to lack honour. It is obvious to anyone that has read her article that she hadn’t taken the time to watch the Crash Course, let alone digest so much as a tiny amount of its subtle nuance.

    I’d very much like Pagan Kennedy to become a “Patsy” Kennedy. Yet, my intention isn’t a public castration, she’s achieved that for herself in this community. I would simply like to draw upon her stupendous ignorance, and use it against her as a weapon.

    I am fully tired of reading posts from people who appear super glued to their seats in front of their computers. I’ve read all of your worthy posts and don’t consider you one of those however.

    Why not read Pagan’ book The Dangerous Joy of Dr. Sex and Other True Stories on line as I have yesterday, so as to acclimatize yourself to the kind of trite cr*p that is considered to be readworthy enough to give opportunity to write a hatchet job on Dr Martenson’ work in a mainstream magazine?

    I would have given my high teeth, and without anaesthetic, to have been given the opportunity to spend several days in Chris’s company, so as to write a valuable article for mainstream review. You can be certain that even though the message I would have written would have been brave to many circles, it would at least have been worthy of payment. After all, I’ve done my homework forward and backward, and can walk the walk and talk the talk.

    I also advise anyone wanting to comprehend the level at which Pagan has stooped, to watch the 43 minute John Pilger film at post #96 of this thread, so as to fully realise what journalism isn’t, and what journalism is …

    With the greatest of respect to you Chris … 

    ~ VF ~

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2010 - 2:20pm

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    RedShift

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    Media Propaganda Machine Lies Exposed

    Once again, Chris Martenson provided a great service to the people, the thinking and caring ones anyway, in revealing the true nature of the national media: distorters of reality, transmitters of false signals, imagineers of the hallucinated future.  The media continues to promote the myth of America being the “richest and most powerful nation on Earth” while deflecting any serious attention and discussion about the $13.1 TRILLION dollar national debt,  Unending Global War, resource depletion, militarization of police, environmental poisoning, destruction of the middle class, and the rising tide of discontent and anger around the planet.   The Banksters, with the full cooperation of the media, are leading a misdirected and blinded public to a point of crisis – an artificial crisis of their own creation – in order to take possession and full title to the collateral:  the people, their wages and their personal properties.  This tragedy recently occured in Argentina, but the media will never reveal it to educate the Americans about the dangers ahead. 

    All Americans will receive their “financial restructuring” from Banksters with no recourse, except those wise enough to consider the advice of people like Chris Martenson: get out of debt, liquidate Wall Street paper and use the proceeds to invest in yourself, your family and neighbors, become a producer rather than a simple media-obediant consumer.

    Thanks yet again Chris, and do not be too concerned about potential damage to your effort by this media assassination piece.  They remain exposed for what they are: propagandists and servants to our would-be oppressors and feudal lords.  The truth is getting out.  Let’s keep going!!!! 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Mon, Jul 05, 2010 - 2:23pm

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    RedShift

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    Media Propaganda Machine Lies Exposed

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  • Wed, Jul 07, 2010 - 8:57pm

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    Re: Bunkers 'R' Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take ...

    All: 

    Here’s an email I just received.  For the record, I truly think that the best approach here, and always, is to be as clean and clear as we can be.  That is, keeping our emotions out is important.

    I am happy to provide this opportunity for Boston Magazine to get their views and clarifications expressed with precision and clarity.    The distinctions they draw between the role of the author and the Magazine are important towards understanding how things work and who does what.  I am always grateful for the opportunity to learn more.

    Chris,

    As you know, the story about you in the current issue of Boston magazine has generated a lot of feedback on the magazine’s website, bostonmagazine.com. And while we normally take a hands-off approach to reader comments, I’ve noticed a couple of recurring ideas amid those remarks that I want to address, especially as they pertain to the author of the piece, Pagan Kennedy. Pagan was not responsible for the article’s headline or the subheadline, and any criticism of her over either is misplaced. Same goes for the photo illustration that opened the story. The concept, tone and execution of a story’s artwork are determined by a team of editors and designers here at Boston after a writer has completed his or her work. I have no problem with readers critiquing Boston magazine. In fact, we encourage people to share their thoughts on this or any other story we publish. However, I think it’s unfair for a writer to be disparaged for something for which she wasn’t responsible, and I would appreciate it if you could post this message on your website or faithfully relay its contents to visitors there.

    Andrew Putz
    Editor
    Boston Magazine

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  • Wed, Jul 07, 2010 - 9:25pm

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    Re: Bunkers 'R' Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take ...

    The response of Boston Magazine, I think, indicates that they perhaps bit off more than they could chew when it came to their collective and sloppy misrepresentation of Chris Martenson, his work, and his followers. I would imagine that with most cases of poor journalism there isn’t enough of a constituency, so to speak, to generate a well-deserved backlash — but in this case there was. Good goin’, gang!

    But to the point here, and I won’t belabor it any more than I have to.

    The part of the article that Pagan wasn’t evidently responsible for — headlines, graphic layout, etc. — stunk and was misrepresentative to the point of dishonest. So whoever is responsible for it deserves whatever disparaging remarks their unprofessional work generated.

    And when it comes to the parts of the article that Pagan was responsible for — the writing and tone of the article — she also deserves whatever disparaging remarks her lousy work generated.

    Please don’t cry us a politically correct river BM and try and flip the tables so that you’re the party who’s been mistreated. If anyone here has been disparaged it’s CM who honestly and sincerely let you into his life and work.

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  • Wed, Jul 07, 2010 - 9:32pm

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    capesurvivor

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    Re: Bunkers 'R' Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take ...

    Chris,

    Thanks for that informative post. I’m a Boston Magazine subscriber and now realize that it is ALL about selling magazines, not informing the public. Ms. Kennedy’s reportage plus BM’s editorial policy combine to produce…well, the stuff that goes into hot dogs when they aren’t all beef, 100% kosher. I’m sure that your message  is being more fruitfully disseminated here and elsewhere. Good luck in Northampton; I’m afraid seven hour RT is too much for me tomorrow and I’m already in the loop. I did email several folks there about it.

    SG

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