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Monday, April 20, 2009, 8:59 AM

By now you've noticed that the site has changed dramatically.

If you are a regular visitor and you want to see a layout that's familiar to you, you'll need to log in (which means registering, if you haven't done this already).

By logging in you will see a "3-column" format with recent comments and forum posts in the right-hand column.  

The purpose of creating a separate 'experience' for the casual vs. returning visitor is to help minimize the sense of "overload" that can come from being presented with too much information too quickly.

We are looking forward to your reactions, findings, and comments on the redesign.  We have put in a lot of time and thought on this, but we are well aware that we have not thought of or tested everything and that everything can always be improved.  Constructive comments are preferred - simply saying "I hate it" won't change a thing.  I look forward to hearing from you, and hope you enjoy the improvements that we've worked so hard to bring you.

Best,
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Re: READ THIS: Important site changes

All of the additional information and new formating is wonderful!  Easy to navigate.  Thank you for the market box on the home page.

Cat

 

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Very easy on the eye Dr Martenson ...

...a change is as good as a rest......new smilies are a giggle!!!

...easily pleased...

Best

Paul

(edit) Though my signature looks as though it's fallen down the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down... Can dear Eliot be stacked again, or was this the 'place he started from...' ?

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Love the changes.

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I love the color scheme. Looks good! Thanks.
Denisé.

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Very nice, lots of features, good color scheme..I'm sure this took a lot of work.

 

SG

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 +JMJ+

Dear Chris and  co.,

Very nice changes. I have been hitting this site for months, after taking the Crash Course, and had no idea you could register w/o having to pay $ (yes, even people below poverty level read economics--!!!!). I have directed many people here and have found everything very understandable. I might also add you have some of the most polite commenters on the internet. :-) 

Good job and thanks so much!!!

God bless,

Lizbette

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Hi all,

I particularly like the new color scheme.

Several comments:

- I'm sure you noticed the issue with the topic headings on the main page only half appearing.

- On my computer, it will not allow me to click on any of the options in the drop-down menus at the top.

- I suggest the "shopping cart" link should be moved away from the "view crash course" / "buy the DVD" buttons, somewhere perhaps on the right-hand side of the screen.  As it is, I think it associates the crash course with "free merchandise" or a "sample" when in fact it is a grand masterpiece.

- I suggest that the big "$" symbol be removed from the "Enroll" button.

- The "C/M" that appears to the left of registered user's names has too much visual contrast, can be distracting, and stands out more than most user pictures.  I suggest that the "C/M" images be subdued a little so that people's eyes are drawn to the text.
 

By the way, I really like the new USD/Gold/DJIA/SP500 chart on the page.  Very convenient.

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I can't wait to try it out on my PDA/phone.  I always had trouble seeing the website with the previous color scheme and my Windows Mobile OS.

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 Congrats on the switchover!  I know how hair-raising such things can be...("And now, I merely throw this switch, and...!")

Mildly OT, but:  I see right now that there are over 500 on the site (counter on front page).  Have you good CM folks got a graph showing overall usage (# of people on the site, page clicks, duration of visits, etc.)?  I'm just curious as to overall usage of the site -- and what sort of #s would begin to indicate that the CC's message is getting out there in the mainstream?  

As a guy who loves stats, I'm curious to know what the numbers are.

And again -- CONGRATS!

Viva -- Sager

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Re: READ THIS: Important site changes

Looks good.  Just need a little adjustment period.  One question though.  I remember you mentioning on a podcast that there would a place on the site where members could potentially link-up based on geography.  I haven't dug that deep yet, but I can't seem to find it.  Was that changed?

All in all, good work. 

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 Really like the great work you all did on the site!  Thank you!

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Yes, your memory is right and I can't wait to offer that feature...however we had our hands completely full with these changes.

Here's a recent post that explains the phases in which things will be rolled out.

Best,
Chris

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Just tested the Private Message function - send a message to myself - quite sad really isn't it :-)

The message showed up ok, I went in and deleted it but I notice that the count has not reset back to 0 even when I navigate back to the home page and refresh. It still shows as 'Inbox (1)'

A bug perhaps?

EDIT:

I just logged out, closed my browser window to CM and went in again, the tally count still has not reset.

Browser: Firefox 3.0.8

I also just fired up IE (V 7) and confirmed the tally count still has not reset.

EDIT 2:

I just did it again (in case it was a bug around just one message - I've seen a lot of these types of bugs in testing/shakeout tests before) but it doesn't appear to be an issue with just 1 message in this case.

My tally count is now 2 despite the messages being deleted.

It still could possibly be an issue over private message sent to oneself but I would assume not.

p.s. I broke the forum rules :-)  I viewed the source of the webpage - i.e. 'dissasembled the webpage html' (I'm splitting hairs here to have some fun before I start getting ready for work - not meant to be a dig at the rules/conditions I just thought of the webpage view source function when I read those conditions and said to myself - self, hmmmm).

Anyhow - I'll add no more to my private message count issue - I'm sure other things will crop up and this one's a small issue in the grand scheme of things...

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Re: READ THIS: Important site changes

I am not really enjoying all the blue everywhere.  I thought the red was much easier on the eyes.  Maybe you can add some red back into the scheme with the blue to add more of a contrast. 

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Perhaps changing the backgorund white to something a little less stark might help?

That should soften down the blue contrast a little bit?

Colour (Australian spelling) is a very subjective thing I guess.

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Just a note on the signatures :-)

Are carriage returns / line feeds being stripped?

I can't see to insert them and thus you cannot format a signature easily over multiple lines.

Another low key issue from me...

Now I really must head off to work - shame - because it's so nice playing/looking at all the new format/stuff...

:-)

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I agree Jarhett....  the red gave a sense of urgency to what is discussed here, this blue totally lacks vibrance.  Otherwise I like the new layout, though I think the search engine still needs more emphasis.

Mike

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I noticed a few people said they like the blue color scheme and one wanted more red back. I initially found the blue more calming, but the find myself wondering, "Do we need more calming on this subject matter?" I think I do. I am often aghast at the news I find here. Thanks for the thorough, unblinking analysis, hard as it is to digest. But perhaps adding some red in will help keep us awake, alert, and staring calmly at the hard alternative outlook you provide in the face of the relentless corporate/government hogwash thrown in our troughs.  Theatrical tragedies are infused with comedy else no one would attend to them. This global economc situation is one mighty tragedy, and I for am feeling the need for levity to keep hope and joy alive. Community is surely a great source of support. Glad to see it promoted. By the way Chris, a friend of mine has been espousing your viewpoints on the prospects of the economy for years. And, well, things seem to be unfolding as you foretold.

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One thng that was easier, somehow, with red, was for me to see the numbers of "new" posts next to the forum topics. For some reason, I'm having trouble seeing the little blue numbers as well.

 

SG

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ok

Update on the message count being incorrect with private messages.

I recieved a message from someone else apart from myself and the count went up and then reduced again once I read their message - so the incorrect message tally count seems to be with counting messages from yourself

Would the powers that be mind resetting my private message count back to zero?  and if possible, fix the root cause? i.e. reduce the private message tally count when you delete messages from yourself :-) (or ignore any messages from yourself to yourself in the message count - that would probably be an easier fix?).

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Nice changes, folks!  I love the new "Welcome" message to unregistered users when they first get to the site.  I think the summary you provide there does a much better job of setting the context for people new to the site and to your message.  I also like how clearly you state the goal of the crash course, and come right out and say how you believe the next 20 years will be very different.  Much better framing of the big picture.

On the statement of mission on the welcome back page for registered users, it says that your mission is to help increase awareness to a tipping point.  However, it does not explicitly state awareness of what.  I know that those of us familiar with your message will know what you are talking about, but wonder if the mission statement would be improved by being more explicit about what you want to increase awareness of.  I know, it is right there in the description of the crash course.  I'm thinking the change is worth considering if you want a truly stand-alone mission statement. 

Congrats on all the improvements;  nice job!
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 From a brand perspective, I think you had it right with the red look. The blue is rather mundane, and, to me, does not enhance the message of alerting people to future danger.

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wow - lots of people disliking the blue - that surprises me.

Personally - I like the blue - much easier on the eye for reading.

Maybe keep the forums blue and have the front pages with more red then?

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maveri wrote:

Would the powers that be mind resetting my private message count back to zero?  and if possible, fix the root cause? i.e. reduce the private message tally count when you delete messages from yourself :-) (or ignore any messages from yourself to yourself in the message count - that would probably be an easier fix?).

maveri,

I have fixed the root cause.  The inbox total was not filtering messages that were unread and deleted.  So for example, you sent two messages, but deleted both of them without reading them.  It was showing these two deleted messages as still being unread.  It should be working fine now.

In regards to sending messages to yourself, I would prefer to keep these in the total.  This provides a truer picture of the total number of unread items sitting in someone's inbox.

Ron

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Thank you Ron - much appreciated

I was quite happy leaving this item as a low fix affair - I'm sure you have more pressing issues to look after but thank you for fixing it so quickly.

If you want me try out/hammer any other things just message me - I'm happy to help out with trying stuff out if I can.

I agree on the message totals - I was just throwing out another idea in case it was easier - but having a true total of the messages sent is better - I'm all for things being as accurate as possible.

On the other issue of colour scheme - I'm beginning to like this new colour more and more - I loaded up a cached page of the old today and it just didn't seem as professional as the new colour scheme - I for one think the new scheme is more professional looking and my vote goes towards keeping it as it is... /*now ducks for cover...

I know of another site that uses a similar colour scheme and the site I think has the balance of colours/shading quite well done, similar to what's been done here. I'm not saying the visuals can be copied though :-) 

The site has some very nice optimisation tricks that they have had to employ over the years to handle the volume of traffic they get.

www.whirlpool.net.au

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The new look of the HOME page feels crowded. Why waste screen space w the 1" border? I'd prefer no border and more spaciousness to the printed area.

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I find the picture used for Chris's avatar much more confidence inspiring than the picture of him posing, wearing a tie,

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Thumbs up

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Admin Etal,

Thankyou for de-entangling Eliot in my signature......

Best,

Paul

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Re: READ THIS: Important site changes
SagerXX wrote:

Mildly OT, but:  I see right now that there are over 500 on the site (counter on front page).  Have you good CM folks got a graph showing overall usage (# of people on the site, page clicks, duration of visits, etc.)?  I'm just curious as to overall usage of the site -- and what sort of #s would begin to indicate that the CC's message is getting out there in the mainstream?  As a guy who loves stats, I'm curious to know what the numbers are.

Here ya go, Sager.

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adding red would make it red , white and blue...............................very patriotic

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i have an issue ...............imagine that

one thing i would like to see either in the guidelines or on the forum posting page, that when you are posting a new forum thread you get an alert to check and see if there already is one.

i really miss the old days when a thread would be prominent for several days and we had much more discourse on these topics. many of the threads being posted now are rehashes of existing forum topics.

it would be nice if when we post a thread we check to see if there is already one there.

just think in a couple of months some one will start a forum topic on guns, or conspiracy theories , or permaculture, or.....................................peak oil.

 

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joe2baba wrote:

i have an issue ...............imagine that

Too funny

joe2baba wrote:

one thing i would like to see either in the guidelines or on the forum posting page, that when you are posting a new forum thread you get an alert to check and see if there already is one.

Good point.

On a site that I referenced with a link, they do this too (the site takes a LOT of traffic).

They have a search function and people are encouraged to use it before starting a new topic. Experienced users of the system also give gentle reminders to new comers who post topics already covered to use the search function - it's always done politely too

They also have a 'knowledge base' which is where common things are constantly refined as a reference base of information. It's an IT site so say someone wants to look up about building a gaming system, instead of searching every topic, you go to the knowledge base to gleen fairly up to date information - after aquiring this 'base information' you can then post a topic for the specific information you may still require. It acts a lot like a wiki - everyone updates it with new information as things change so it's quite up to date. It stops knowledgeable people getting cranky that they constantly answer basic questions for the millionth time when it's been asked before. It works well, especially when coupled with a search function.

joe2baba wrote:

I really miss the old days when a thread would be prominent for several days and we had much more discourse on these topics. many of the threads being posted now are rehashes of existing forum topics.

it would be nice if when we post a thread we check to see if there is already one there.

just think in a couple of months some one will start a forum topic on guns, or conspiracy theories , or permaculture, or.....................................peak oil.

Dito to the search function / knowledge base idea that I've seen implemented successfully elsewhere...

A well placed s'ticky post' does wonders at communicating the need to search before posting too.

:-)

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After a few days of reading and perusing, I think' I'd put the "new replies" numeric under the posts in red, like "update."

It would be a lot easier for my 20/400 vision eyes to pick out as I scan them.

 

SG

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maveri wrote:

Just a note on the signatures :-)

Are carriage returns / line feeds being stripped?

maveri,

I think I have solved this problem.  It was part of a larger problem we were having with the text editor.  Check out your signature now and see if you are able to format it as you would expect.  Let me know if you have any questions or feedback.

Ron

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I like the new design. I also like the new widget that displays the stock indices as well as gold prices. But what about the other 2 E's? Is there a widget out there about the environment or energy? Though I am a computer programmer, maybe I can write one. :-)

Otherwise, 2 thumbs up!

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admin wrote:
maveri wrote:

Just a note on the signatures :-)

Are carriage returns / line feeds being stripped?

maveri,

I think I have solved this problem.  It was part of a larger problem we were having with the text editor.  Check out your signature now and see if you are able to format it as you would expect.  Let me know if you have any questions or feedback.

Ron

Excellent Ron - it all looks good

Thank you - with all the tweaks and fixes here and there that always happens when you do such a big site change, your kicking over these requests of mine in record time - much appreciated

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Welcome back message is confusing for subscribers

Ron et al,

When I am logged in as a paid subscriber a/k/a Enrolled member, I get a "Welcome Back" message from Chris that tells me as a registered user [I] am getting everything Chris can rationally give away for free.

In reality everything is working fine - I can see the subscriber-only content such as Martenson reports. But the language of the welcome back message seems to imply that I'm "only" signed up at the Registered User level. I fear that this might cause others to think that their paid enrollment had been lost or something.

I suggest either having a different message with different language for enrolled members, else change the language in the welcome back message so that it doesn't imply that the person is not a subscriber.

On to a separate note... Since you have asked for feedback I feel compelled to say, respectfully, that I liked the old look/feel/style much better than the new one. I have hesitated to comment about this because I want to be constructive and honestly I can't quite put my finger on what the problem is. The new format just feels more cluttered, less clean, and generally less compelling. I apologize for not offering more articulate and constructive feedback, but I've been struggling with this for several days and the above is all I could come up with.

Thanks,

Erik

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ErikTownsend wrote:

 

On to a separate note... Since you have asked for feedback I feel compelled to say, respectfully, that I liked the old look/feel/style much better than the new one. I have hesitated to comment about this because I want to be constructive and honestly I can't quite put my finger on what the problem is. The new format just feels more cluttered, less clean, and generally less compelling. I apologize for not offering more articulate and constructive feedback, but I've been struggling with this for several days and the above is all I could come up with.

 

 

I am with you Erik, I can not stand the new format it drives me crazy.  The page is definitely cluttered, and why are the new forum topics at the end of the page.  It seems like what should be at the top of the page is on the bottom, and what is on the bottom should be up top.  Here is another vote for the old format, the grass is not greener.

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While I like the color scheme of the new website format, overall I find the new design way too cluttered.  There are so many words on a given page (especially the home page), that I am not sure where to look to find what I want or to be able to easily see what is new on a given day.  It feels like I am slogging through the information rather than being compelled to read it.  Frankly, I am visiting the site less since the change even though I am a paid subscriber.  As someone who really likes Google's home page, I vote for more simplicity here.

Thanks for all of the hard work and thanks for asking what we think.

Cheers,

Suzie

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ErikTownsend makes a valuable point that I noticed immediately upon logging into the newly revised site. The new site welcome message implies that the dollars I spent to become a paying and supporting member are irrelevant. It seems to equate those who paid money to join as registered members as being on the same level as those who merely registered without paying a fee.

This needs to be fixed ASAP. I can't think of a better way to destroy the site than to put paying members on the same level as those who merely register without paying. This took my breath away. I'm sure it was a simple oversight, but it's huge and needs to be addressed ASAP.

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RE: Forum posts

Ron, building on a previous suggestion made earlier in this thread... Since you are already requiring users to enter keywords before posting a new thread, I wonder if the keywords could be used to automatically search for previous threads.

I envision it working as follows: When I want to post a new thread, the system asks me for the keywords and subject line first. I have to click a button to submit them BEFORE I am shown the edit window. Then the system uses the keywords to do a search on all previous threads, and shows me a list of previous threads with similar keywords. I am then shown a short message that says (in more diplomatic words), "Hey, dumb-ass, please look at these threads first and don't post your new thread until you're sure it's really new. If your topic is covered by one of these threads, please go add to that thread instead of creating a new one..."

I realize this may be difficult to implement within the canned Drupal forum framework, but thought I'd throw out the idea just in case it inspires something helpful...

RE: Jarhett

Thanks for the "support", but in this case I think it's really important for all of us to focus on how to be more constructive. Believe me, Chris and his team work really, really hard to make this site a great place, and I can tell you first hand that when people come across as "Hey this sucks", it really feels insulting to Chris and the hard-working people on his team. I realize you probably didn't mean it that way, but I fear that both of us could be coming across as unappreciative of Chris and the team's efforts, and I'm sure you'd agree with me that it's not productive to contribute negative energy to the process.

I feel like a hypocrite here because I'm having a hard time really putting my finger on exactly why I dislike the new look/feel so much. Chris and Ron, I hope you'll understand that my comments are well-meaning, and I apologize for not being more articulate about constructive suggestions for improvement. I'll keep thinking about it.

Erik

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I have found the tabbed boxes especially useful.  Nice to have the market boxes on the home page.  Also to have Chris' Blog or the Daily Digest in a running stream with a click of a tab. 

Some of the new editing tools are a lot easier to use than the old ones. 

Thank you for all of the useful changes.

Cat

 

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Just a quick note - I'm often finding this written in the site 'Comment' box since the changes :-

Unsupported database type

The database type is unsupported. Please use either mysql for MySQL 3.x & 4.0.x databases, mysqli for MySQL 4.1.x+ databases, or pgsql for PostgreSQL databases. The database information is in your settings.php file.

For more help, see the Installation and upgrading handbook. If you are unsure what these terms mean you should probably contact your hosting provider.

..........

I'd also describe myself as computer illiterate so, if it is irrelevant, my apologies...

Best,

Paul

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Well, I guess it's a matter of taste, as I very much like the blue scheme, and I personally experience the new format as less cluttered, with fewer items "demanding" my attention.  Let me be clear:  there's not fewer items on the home page, but the layout feels more "democratic", in color scheme, typeface, and organization, so that I feel that I choose where I want to browse, rather than having a brilliant red, bold print "pulling" my attention.  I find the organization clear and compact, and I actually feel it's more intuitive than the old format.  Overall, I feel that the new format is more "professional", and indeed, calming.  I personally feel that the content on CM is sufficient to motivate and stimulate and simply does not need any "bells and whistles" to make it interesting.  I guess I'd say that the more monochrome color scheme makes the site feel more "grounded", which might be useful in balancing out some of the more extreme (but not necessarily invalid) opinions expressed in the forums.

Well, that's my two cents, FWIW, and I recognize that this is largely a matter of taste and personal style.

 

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Re: READ THIS: Important site changes
Vanityfox451 wrote:

Just a quick note - I'm often finding this written in the site 'Comment' box since the changes :-

Typically this is performance related, that for one reason or another you are unable to connect at the moment you are attempting to do so.  Send us an email or a PM with the technical specifications of your computer (browser, operating system, connection speed, etc.) and we can offer some additional feedback.

Ron

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Re: READ THIS: Important site changes

I'm having some display problems with Firefox 3.1b3 on the Mac.  For example, when I click on the new replies in a forum post I have commented on, I am not taken to where the new replies begin.  I am taken to the start of the thread.  The same is true when I click on a comment in the "recent comments" area.  Instead of being taken to that particular comment, I am taken to the beginning of that thread.  Also, certain threads seem to cut off at the bottom inexplicably.  (See below).  I know this is not the last post of the thread, becase it's dated 4/19 and I see new comments from today 4/26 have been added to the thread.  But this is the last comment I can see on the thread, and there is no "next" button to take me to another screen. 

Finally, I've been getting this error a lot:

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Re: READ THIS: Important site changes

Chris,

A few points of feedback... first, in regards to this comment:

ChrisKresser wrote:

For example, when I click on the new replies in a forum post I have commented on, I am not taken to where the new replies begin.  I am taken to the start of the thread.  The same is true when I click on a comment in the "recent comments" area.

Do you mean when you click on new replies for a forum thread that spans multiple pages?  If that is the case, then this is not browser related.  It is a known issue.  Has to do with not knowing exactly which page a particular comment is located based on how many "comments per page" a user has set.  I'm fairly sure I have commented about this somewhere else before on the site, but I'm having a problem finding the exact comment.  The easiest way to correct this is have your comments sorted by "newest first," so the newest ones are at the top of the first page, or select a larger number of comments per page.

In regards to Firefox 3.1b3, it is beta software.  There are still lots of on-going changes with the Firefox 3.1 browser, and I know there are known bugs.  For just a sample, see the list of "Known Issues" on this page.  We do not provide support for beta browser software.

I would highly recommend using the general release version of Firefox, which at the moment is Version 3.0.9 for OS X.

The problems with pages being cut off and receiving unresponsive script error messages has to do with the same issue in both cases: caching.  The first step is to attempt to re-load the page if you are seeing this.  If a re-load does not help, then I would not be surprised if the issue can be connected to Firefox 3.1b3.

If you install 3.0.9 and are having the same problems, absolutely let me know and I'll investigate it further.  Thanks.

Ron

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Re: READ THIS: Important site changes

Ron,

I appreciate your reply.  Yes, you described one of the issues I'm having and thanks for the workaround solution. Would this also be the case when I click on a comment in the "Recent Comments" list on the home page, and am not directed to that particular comment but to the first page if it's a multi-page thread?

I'm aware that 3.1b3 is beta software.  In my experience, it works better on most sites than 3.0.9.  That's why I upgraded in the first place - I was having trouble with 3.0.9.  I should note that 3.1b3 is working very well on almost every other site I visit and use.

About six months ago I switched from Safari to Firefox almost entirely because of this website.  You might recall that there was a bug with the rich-text editor on this site that caused it not to work well with Safari. I switched to FF so I could more easily post to this site.  I've finally settled in with FF, and now it's not working either!  Kind of frustrating. 

Actually, I'm posting this comment from Safari 4 and it seems to work with the rich-text editor now.  I'm loathe to switch browsers again, especially because I've grown dependent on some of the plug-ins I use for FF that aren't available for Safari.  I suppose I could use Safari for this site only, but it's not ideal.

I'll try 3.0.9 and see what happens.

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Re: READ THIS: Important site changes
Chris Kresser wrote:

Would this also be the case when I click on a comment in the "Recent Comments" list on the home page, and am not directed to that particular comment but to the first page if it's a multi-page thread?

Yes, it would be the case.

Chris Kresser wrote:

I should note that 3.1b3 is working very well on almost every other site I visit and use.

Just so you know, I'm not discounting the fact that there could be a problem with running the site on a Mac using Firefox.  The issue is there are far too many browser types and versions for us to support.  We cannot feasibly say we will also support beta versions.  I've used plenty of beta browsers over the past few years, only to see quirky things happen.  Inevitably I learned the quirkiness was due to some unique bug in the beta software that had not yet been resolved.

Chris Kresser wrote:

About six months ago I switched from Safari to Firefox almost entirely because of this website.  You might recall that there was a bug with the rich-text editor on this site that caused it not to work well with Safari.

Yes, of course I recall.  Your feedback was one of the major reasons we upgraded the rich text editor as part of this release... to support those who were attempting to run the site using Safari.  The site should certainly work on Macs using Firefox and no need for you to change browsers.  I think Firefox is the most solid browser across the board in all environments (Windows, Mac, Linux), so we absolutely want to make sure things are working.  The question more than anything else in this case is beta vs. general release software.

Chris Kresser wrote:

I'll try 3.0.9 and see what happens.

I really appreciate if you would.  It will provide us with a valuable datapoint regarding Firefox on Macs.  If you're seeing the same issues using 3.0.9, then we can investigate more deeply and see if there is some underlying cause.  Thanks.

Ron

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