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The Official Rowe Thread

Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:43 PM

There were several points in the Rowe seminar that stuck with me and capture something essential about the weekend.

One was at 9:30 at night on Saturday, after a long day of full-on seminar.  Everybody should have been wiped out.  But we broke into small groups to discuss our personal self-assessment worksheets and the room was filled with excited conversation.  The moment came when Alejandro, in his booming voice, announced that it was time to end the conversation and form back into the larger group.  I was scanning the crowd with wide-angle eyes and saw that nobody budged.  Not one person even turned to look at him.  The energy for the current conversations was simply too high at that moment. And again, nobody so much as shifted at his second booming call.  Jandro and I glanced at each other, shared a smile and let things run for a while.

The second was having the Rowe staff inform me on my way to breakfast on Sunday morning that a group of around 10 people had been up since about 5:00 that morning talking excitedly.  

Here's how I summarized the workshop to someone today:

The weekend seminar at Rowe we just did was powerful
and instructive. We (the presenters) learned something very important
about how to transform the darkness of the message into true light. In
brief, whether we each wish it or not, we are all leaving the comfort
of home. Nobody gets to stay behind on this one. In this hero’s journey,
everybody leaves the village.

This means the choice is not about whether we wish to
expose our minds to the troubling prospect of massive change, but
whether we will default our way into a shitty future, or consciously
choose a path of our own making. In this view, there is now a fork in
the road and on one side is a future filled with promise and abundance
(based on a radical alteration of how we interact with the whole of the
natural world and live within basic resource constraints) and the other
path consists of a turbulent slide into fear and scarcity. If we again
fail to heed the lessons from this crisis and opt to head down the
default path of growth, there will be no more exits in the future, only
choices between “bad outcomes” and “worse outcomes.”

Thus, the work I’ve long been doing, which has been
received by many as “doom and gloom,” is really a positive message –
indeed, understanding our true condition is the positive message, and it
is the “status quo” defenders who are the sirens of destruction.

This work isn’t about cutting off options and choices,
it’s about expanding those very things. Judo flip! We can now expand
our message into the crowd that requires a positive message. This is
going to be big.

I am extremely proud of how the conference went and have brought much back with me to ponder.  I know that the conference will be even better next time from a delivery and flow standpoint, but the crowd is always the wildcard, and this time we drew the ace of spades.  

The excitement and energy between and among the participants was palpable and powerful.  I'll let them speak for themselves here, but what I saw was confirmation of the importance of spending time with people who can speak your language and share your thoughts.

And here's what the center director wrote us (and he's not overly prone to hyperbole, as those who met him will attest):

Dear Becca and Chris,

I am extremely impressed with the work you just finished doing. I have considered seeing if I could get in the Guinness Book of World Records for having attended more workshops than anyone on planet earth. (Actually, I have never done anything to make this happen). So I know what is good and you are very good. It is clear that you have worked it out, yet you have flexibility. The way you turn a big pile of information into a real workshop, beautifully presented, is a work of art.

I am excited to read more from the participants themselves.  Post away!

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Wow - it sounds like the conference was not to be missed. Unfortunately, I missed it. Yell And fortunately, almost by fate, I found a couple in my neighborhood who did attend. Can't wait to get together with them and hear all about it. Any chance you could bring the seminar to the West Coast?

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Chris -

You get a few weeks off, then you need to come on out to Virginia Beach for Workshop 2.0.

Congrats for the huge success at Rowe and the home run tonight on WGBY.

"There is no off position on the genius switch."

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yes, yes a west coast version!   you can crash on my really comfy sleeper sofa, meet the family (even the  chickens) see the garden ......

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I was a participant at Rowe and highly recommend the weekend seminar the next time it is offered.  It was great to meet Chris, Becca, and Alejandro, but equally great to have time with 50 other people who have studied and taken this material seriously.  What stands out for me is the work we got to do around beliefs and around the personal assessment.  The first time I watched the Crash Course I left feeling depressed and it took a couple days to get out of that mindset.  The group and individual work we did at Rowe left me feeling positive about the choices we have to actively shape our future, both individually and collectively. 

Most of us seemed to have come from places of isolation in our communities, even some with strongly disagreeing spouses, so the sense of community created by having conversations with many people with many perspectives on this material and what it suggests was very powerful.  I didn't know anyone at the start of the weekend but felt many friendships begin to form and look forward to developing them in the future.  I left the seminar with a clearer sense of what I needed to do personally and what I wanted to do to help my community face the challenges ahead. 

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I was a participant also. For me, I think the greatest power was a shift in my own outlook on the future. Before, I saw closing doors and limited options. I had lost the sense that there were any exits left on this highway of destruction. After the conference, I feel much more secure with the actions I have taken, and much more resolved with the actions I will take. One of the most powerful things for me was to hear Chris and Becca's personal account of the stages they went through on their personal journey, and then realizing that I'm going through the same ones. There's something powerful in knowing that you're not alone.

And my outlook on the future is much brighter than before. Massive change is upon us. There will be pitfalls and opportunities, that is a fact. But now I actually feel much more excited about opportunities than I am fearful of the pitfalls.

Also, I like to be able to help and lead others, and I think the conference clarified for me the direction that this should go in. There's a bit of a difference between simply instructing others and then taking action with others.

Finally, one of the most powerful, but perhaps less recognized aspects of the conference was the Rowe center. There is no way the the message could have been half as powerful if this was done at a large urban convention center. In order for the conference to really "work" you have to be able to completely remove yourself from the oh-so-tempting lifestyle of consumption and entertainment. The natural beauty and peaceful atmosphere of Rowe greatly amplified the message.

I'm all for getting Chris down to VA, Dogs, but I think Albemarle county or (yes I'll admit) somewhere near Blacksburg might make more sense. Let's find an appropriate venue, and if Chris has the time, I know I could pull a number of people from Northern Virginia. In fact, I wish some of them had been with me at Rowe - then I wouldn't get crazy looks anymore for the intense fear I felt last fall...

Cheers!

Mike

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I am so glad that my life serendipiously lined up for me to attend at the last moment as my husband had just had emergency surgery and he has made a miraculous recovery so with family support I could slip away for some rest LOL or so I thought.

Rowe was a great energy boost thou left me with more questions than answers yet connected to these amazing people who inspired and challenged me to think from a reality based position without distraction.

I am now trying to work out how to find a community in New Zealand - any suggestions will be so welcome!

How, choosing where, making links ...

Michelle

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A modified repost as I erroneously (as always) posted on wrong thread last night.

I will let someone else post a lengthy description of the Rowe
conference. It was great to meet Chris, Becca, and Alejando. Their
presentations and description of how the CC came in being, as well as
how they made major life changes, were inspiring. Perhaps the best part
for me was being able to interact with, and get to know to some degree,
intelligent, thoughtful, self-reliant but community-oriented people who
I would wish I could live near in a community.

Enough from me.

 

SG

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Chris & Becca,

  Would it be possible (or let's say I would greatly appreciate) a short synopsis of your story since I could not attend Rowe (hoping "ya'll" will come to Virginia).  Would love to hear the thought process of your decision to completely change your life with leaving your job, large home, etc.  What steps did you take to get where you are, if there is anything you would change, etc.

  After reading your post, trying to change my attitude of "doom and gloom" to being positive and taking action without feeling so overwhelmed.

  Thank you both for everything you do!  Teresa

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I really wish I could have gone.  It sounds like a great thing to be part of.  So when an where is the next one?  Hopefully sometime this summer when my wife is done teaching?

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Two comments:  First, it didn't surprise me to hear of your great success at Rowe.  Outstanding teachers/presenters always get that kind of response.  And you are among the very best.

Secondly, there are lots of very bright and open minded people in the Great Northwest. A seminar in/around Seattle would be worth us driving 100 miles to attend.  Do you have any interest?  If so, do you have any contacts out this way who could arrange it for you?

We'd be glad to assist in the logistics of the actual seminar, if needed.  Thanks. 

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Teresa: Glad to see another Virginian on here!

It's time we started organizing ourselves a little better. I am from Lorton (NOVA). We've got 3 or 4 in VA Beach (Dogs, Cat, Coolhandluke), 1 in Leesburg, 1 near Charlottesville (Davos), and perhaps many others that I'm unaware of. The members from our state are very highly motivated members of this site. If we could each pull 4 or 5 other people, the potential Virginia Conference would be close to 30. I'm sure we could do even better than that if we really tried. The biggest key is finding a good venue and hoping that Chris has the free time and energy to present.

Even if Chris is unable, it is time we organize. Charlottesville or Richmond seem the most central areas. We must find a good venue and start looking into a time frame. As the sole Virginia delegate to the Rowe Conference, I feel I could explain and touch on the topics that we covered there, though I would make a poor replacement for Chris in terms of expertise and eloquence.

Mike

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I wasn't at Rowe, but have been involved in several seminar programs/weekend workshops regarding the issues covered in Crash Course.  The energy leaving the event is often extremely positive. 

What has been difficult is always the follow up.  Life gets bogged down in details.  You may be trying to change a society that doesn't want to listen to your message.  

Timing may be everything.  Disillusionment in business as usual is at an all time high.  For those of us who've been trying unsuccessfully for years to turn the ship around this may be the only opportunity we have, both from a sociological and biophysical perspective.  

So, I am very pleased to hear about how well this went, but most of all I would like to hear stories, many, many stories, of breakthroughs outside of the workshop, where you live and work.  Do people and groups you've never been able to engage (or never even wanted to talk to) now  jump on the bandwagon?  If so, then perhaps we've got something special going on. 

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Mike Pilat wrote:

Teresa: Glad to see another Virginian on here!

It's time we started organizing ourselves a little better. I am from Lorton (NOVA). We've got 3 or 4 in VA Beach (Dogs, Cat, Coolhandluke), 1 in Leesburg, 1 near Charlottesville (Davos), and perhaps many others that I'm unaware of. The members from our state are very highly motivated members of this site. If we could each pull 4 or 5 other people, the potential Virginia Conference would be close to 30. I'm sure we could do even better than that if we really tried. The biggest key is finding a good venue and hoping that Chris has the free time and energy to present.

Even if Chris is unable, it is time we organize. Charlottesville or Richmond seem the most central areas. We must find a good venue and start looking into a time frame. As the sole Virginia delegate to the Rowe Conference, I feel I could explain and touch on the topics that we covered there, though I would make a poor replacement for Chris in terms of expertise and eloquence.

Mike

Please, by all means, organize however you can and as soon as you can.

Hoping this won't cause you to hesitate, I want to make everyone aware that I am also investing considerable technology dollars (even as I type) into adding a new feature to the site called "groups" which I hope will be available soon.  It is being worked out in our test environment right now.

As I understand it, "groups" will allow a group owner to delegate certain group tasks to other members, manage a calendar/schedule, and manage postings that are made be proximity/geography.  

MeetUp.com already offers this service but it has a monthly cost and, frankly, the features are not that hard to replicate.  I thought that it would be good to have these features located right here as well because one of my overriding goals for this year is to enable Crash Course viewings, house parties, etc, and do whatever I can to facilitate connection between like-minded people.

This is just one more example of a good idea that will require a few more technology dollars (and attention) to make happen.  In case anyone was wondering, that's an example of where the time and money go around here.....

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FarmerJ:

A couple weeks ago I was at a bar and I randomly bumped into a guy I went to high school with. I hadn't contacted him in years. The second thing he said to me was: "I've been seeing all the stuff you put on facebook. What's going on with everything?" Not wishing to explain such serious issues in a setting that might be less than optimal, I casually told him he probably shouldn't get me started but maybe we could talk another time. He said "No, I really want to know what's going on." I proceeded with a condensed summary of the FED and resource limitations.

A week ago, I was visiting some old student friends of mine at Mr. Jefferson's University. I never raised the topic, but one of them started about the economy a little and just said "I'm not a big fan of the FED after I saw that thing in your e mail." As it turns out, he had read a quote and a few sentences that I had as my e mail signature. He then did a little more research and developed some beliefs of his own. I had never before mentioned any Crash Concepts to him, he just read my signature and got interested.

It's the random things like this incident that tell me the public is very receptive to truth and real answers that seem to be lacking from our politicians. Each time I raise the subject amongst a new group, I'm a little apprehensive about the potential backlash. Suffice it to say I've been very pleasantly surprised thus far, and this is one of the most rewarding and hopeful aspects for me. In my experience, my friends and contacts generally trust my judgement, intelligence, and understanding more than the government or the news. It is a good feeling.

In the area I come from (Northern VA), sense of community is low, but education is very high. I've attempted to use that to my advantage. Even if people won't easily be convinced to form food storage banks, they are very receptive to hearing facts and information.

Cheers,

Mike

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Cat got me hooked on the site and Crash Course.Cat and Dogs are wonderful people indeed!

I'm right inbetween Richmond and Virginia Beach (near Yorktown, VA) so hoping we can all meet soon~!

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Mike Pilat wrote:

Teresa: Glad to see another Virginian on here!

Oh goodness Mike, let me shed some "caution" about meeting this fellow Virginian, Teresa!!!!  She is my running partner and has "forced" me to complete 5 different half marathons in the past 2.5 years.... That is 13.1 miles each... So you better have your running shoes on when you meet this one... She will whip us all into shape!

In all seriousness, between Teresa, Dogs and myself we could probably round up more than 30 ourselves.  Many of which read this site daily but don't post. 

Tell you what Mike...  Dogs, Teresa and I all run the Rock 'n Roll Half Marathon in Virginia Beach every Labor Day, all sorts of people running for a cause... We can run for the CC and awareness, get those shoes on.

Cat

 

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I'm in Oregon - I'd be interested.

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Richmond is sounding more and more optimal, though I have a soft spot for the natural beauty and laid back atmosphere of the Charlottesville / Albemarle region. I will again make a shameless plug for relaxed settings away from cities. This makes it a lot easier to focus on the issues and keep stress and fear reduced on topics that are admittedly unpleasant at times. It's time to look into venues and potential time frames. 

Interestingly enough, I was actually considering training for a full marathon this summer, but it seems to be wishful thinking at this time. The amount of traveling and other activites that keep me occupied have limited my exercise time lately :( I love to bike and could certainly do something big there. I will have to do some training before I could do 13 miles. The most I've ever run at once is about half that, though I do run somewhat regularly.

Mike

P.S. - It's great to see Virginia making a strong showing so far! 

 

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I created a Virginia thread here:

http://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/join-virginia-battalion-martenson-brigade/13093

Mike -

Dismal Swamp Stomp Half Marathon is coming up in April.  I will be running a very pedestrian 10:40-11:00 pace.  Then the Rock and Roll Half here in Va Beach Labor Day weekend, and the ING Half in Philly three weeks later.  I am going to do my first full marathon in November.  Outer Banks Marathon Veteran's Day weekend.

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May I ask something?

I am well versed in Crash Course and the topics it presents.  What I am interested in is why everyone was excited.  

1) Was it networking with like minded people?

2) Chris presents things as they are.  What discussed as to what to do about the change that is upon us?

Thank you!

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Dogs: Let me look into this a little more. For now, I will tentatively plan for the April one. It's pretty sad if I can't get myself ready for that.

I suppose it's not going to sound like a legitimate point to serious runners, but my biggest obstacle is the time it takes to train for a full marathon...I suppose it's an investment in your body, though, which is probably one of the worthiest of all.

Speaking of really alternative investments, as I look into the uncertainty coming up, I've committed to getting a Lasik procedure as soon as I find a good place. My vision is not bad without correction, but it's bad enough that I can't legitimately live the exact same lifestyle without aid. On a very divergent note...if any knows anything about the procedure or has recommendations...e mail me. I don't want to pollute this thread any more!

Cheers,

Mike

 

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Yes,

Remnant, for me it was meeting compatible people after being isolated for a long time. From my perspective, nothing was presented that was not really in the CC or not posted by Chris et al. here, though Chris's and Becca's personal story was helpful. It was really the combined interest and energy in the room of the 50 or so people. The real challenge is figuring out how to find/start a similar community and prioritize personal and community goals. 

Not easy. I have to start from scratch here, unlike the big VA contingent.

SG 

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capesurvivor wrote:

Yes,

The real challenge is figuring out how to find/start a similar community and prioritize personal and community goals. .

SG 

 What is the purpose of starting this community?  Please.  I am going somewhere with this.  Why do you want to form?

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Did you see take the CC? The thrust of the course is that the next several decades, due to triple E converging events, will be pretty different from the last few decades. The major solution, apart from attempting grass-roots political change (not part of the CM program, really) is to relocalize into small communities where people jointly come up with ways of making sure they have sufficient food, shelter, fuel, security, etc. to weather whatevr social/political disruption might occur.

This means having most of your fellow citizens think you are nuts so I am trying to select a few folks to see how they respond. Another option is a showing at a local church (where i don't attend, LOL) where the minister is interested in environmental issues. 

SG

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Remnant and SG - You are on the right track, but let me respectfully make one suggestion.

You have to ask yourself whether it's harder to move or harder to start a community where you live now. I would argue that finding the right people is a harder thing. So, to the extent possible, try to remain open to moving to an area with like minded people so you don't have to absolutely start from scratch. I believe this was one of the guiding principles that Chris and Becca used for themselves.

Although I've had recent success in broaching the topics with people where I live, starting a really deep sense of community in an urban area strikes me as a gargantuan task.

An related, and very insightful video can be found here, showing how Cuba created a sense of community when they lost a lot of Soviet oil imports. Perhaps comparing to Cuba is like apples and oranges, but we can certainly learn a lot from this. Please watch:  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-66172489666918336&ei=cRCTSZjXA4...

Thanks,

Mike

 

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Chris,

 The "groups" idea you mention would be a tremendous resource that would help us organize per geographical area and is possibly the best first-step in putting our strategies towards action.  

 Chalk me up for interest in an L.A/ Southern California group.

  

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Mike, 

You're 23 and unmarried. You're in a very flexible position. I have been married over 30 years, own a house, and have various employment. Degrees of freedom plummet as you age, especially if your spouse is 180 degrees from your thinking. I appreciate the thought but ...I'd just have to leave and "find myself" at 60. As a psychologist, I would advise someone in my position to not act precipitously.

SG

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Metalmongrel, I am in OC (Newport Beach), I know we have at least two residents of Newport Beach who attended Rowe. And I know at least four others in Newport/Laguna Bch who have completed the CC and with whom I have met previously to discuss Chapt 20. I suspect we might find a large S. Ca contingent when Chris gets his "groups" up and running. (post #13)

Remnant, I think you ask a very good question. As I see it, everyone has a different take on what the purpose of starting a community is. Until a group of like-minded individuals can come to agreement on that question, the "group" will serve only as a forum for discussion with those on the same track. Not a bad thing but won't propel much action forward.

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Mike Pilat wrote:

Dogs: Let me look into this a little more. For now, I will tentatively plan for the April one. It's pretty sad if I can't get myself ready for that.

I don't want to pollute this thread any more!

Cheers,

Mike

Kick it over to the Virginia forum thread and we'll run (no pun intended) with it there.

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SG: Understood, and I apologize if I sounded insensitive. I have some unique challenges myself...the greatest opportunities for my career at this moment are probably in the city. But the greatest opportunities for my life over the long haul are most definitely not. All of us are grappling with similar concerns in one way or another.

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There are a few of us kiwis kicking around

I'm from chch

AmandaPops is from wellington area

Pri8don from nelson  off the top of my head.

 

Another way to catch up with kiwis in in transition towns

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I recently found it, and some of them recently found the CC

Cheers Hamish

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Did you see take the CC? The thrust of the course is that the next several decades, due to triple E converging events, will be pretty different from the last few decades. The major solution, apart from attempting grass-roots political change (not part of the CM program, really) is to relocalize into small communities where people jointly come up with ways of making sure they have sufficient food, shelter, fuel, security, etc. to weather whatevr social/political disruption might occur.

This means having most of your fellow citizens think you are nuts so I am trying to select a few folks to see how they respond. Another option is a showing at a local church (where i don't attend, LOL) where the minister is interested in environmental issues. 

SG

 

Thank you for your response.  Let me posit something for your consideration.

The Problem: The State

I think we all know what the problems are.  The purpose of the State
(nothing more than a group of people that have a monopoly on violence)
is for insiders to loot and plunder the citizenry.  We cannot vote our
way out of this mess - any politician who gets into true circles of
power who wants to affect change for the benefit of his/her
constituents would be long vetted out of the political system by the
incumbents or by the dumbed-down voter.  Tax resisitance is futile for
the State has amassed superior firepower to protect itself from its
citizens in the name of national defense.  Any partial, let alone full,
tax resistance will result in the State deploying the bad guys in clown
suits brandishing guns and badges to your home to waterboard you and
your family.  Your employer acts as an unremunerated tax collection
agent by collecting your tribute to the State on its behalf.  There are
50+ taxes on a loaf of bread from the field to the table. Your taxes
are used to kill people.  We are all directly contributing to this and
from what I have read on this site, we want out.  I could create the
world's longest post listing all of the State's endless scandals,
boondoggles, expansion of power, wars, mass murder, and citizen
brutality, but that is beyond the scope of this post, and a reader on
this site already has their own personal list.

One of the major fallacy traps that "awakened" people fall into is that
they seek to limit the State's power enabled by the taxation/inflation
system we are enslaved to, leeching off our productivity to support
nefarious and incompetent agendas.  This is goodness.  The badness is
that we expect the State to help us with the implementation!

There is a way out.

The only non-violent mechanism that I can think of that stands a
non-zero chance of success is to bring together like minded people and
create a counter-economy where trustworthy trading partners would buy
and sell their products and services using whatever sound money trading
parties agree on (most likely gold and silver coin/rounds).  The
counter-economy enables people to fully enjoy the fruits of their
labours without having it directly stolen via taxation.  Using gold and
silver coin prevents theft via inflation.  This is called "agorism"  - a term coined by Samuel Konkin III (SEK3 in webspeak).

For those of you who are familiar with Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged", you
will be well versed in "Galt's Gulch".  For those of you who aren't, 
essentially the producers of the world rejected the notion they should
labour for the benefit of the looters (the State and connected
insiders) who held the gun at their heads.  The would leave the world
and go to a secret location where they could voluntarily associate and
trade with each other.  They would come back when the State collapsed
and people were ready to deal with each other as humans.  

Sometimes, I wonder if "Atlas Shrugged" was fiction. However, the
beauty of agorism is that you do not have to physically relocate.  You
can hide in plain sight!

Initially, we could only work part-time in this counter-economy as not
all of the products/services we require would be readily available in
the network in addition to whatever extortion money (i.e. property
taxes etc) the State demands from us.  However, as the counter-economy
grows with more and more people participating in it, the number of
goods/services increases.  Perhaps your local beer/wine brick and
mortar store would be willing to participate part time in the network. 
Then a independently owned gas-station.  People who bake, and make
clothes and so forth. A shoemaker might spring up.  Is it becoming
clearer?

The collapse of the State is When, not If.

Or we wouldn't be interested in Crash Course, would we?  Should we sit
idly by and get dragged down with it? OK, even if I am wrong in that
prediction, how much value to your productivity would be retained by
creating your agorist network?  If the State does collapse,
you will be better prepared for it as you will have your established
network of trading partners.  How much value is there in that?

The will and the way

This post is getting a bit long, but I could certainly contribute
more information if posters are interested and willing to do more. 
Let's see what reception it gets.

It's time to posit a workable solution.  Agorism is the only one I have
run into that has not been torn to shreds by my own critical thinking. 
I am not being an egoist, snooty, or preachy.  Like all of you, I am
deeply concerned, we all know what is wrong.  It is a matter of what to
DO about it.

 

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Please come to the West Coast!  We live in Snohomish, WA, near Seattle, but would be willing to travel.  We teach, so if it's during the school year, it would need to be doable over a long weekend.

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Yes,

Lisa g's comment about deciding what the course of action is and not just getting together for coffee is a good point. I'm not going to go to these 3 or 4 folks and ask them to jointly start a new community or to stockpile food together (one owns a CSA and will consider me a moron, LOL). All I can do to start  is see if they will watch the CC and want to discuss appropriate local options. I've started a letter to several and it is not easy to assure people you haven't met that you aren't trying get $, a religious cult, nuts, or have some other ulterior motive. (Hmm, what could the CSA owner think..).

 

SG

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Thanks for that great post Remnant, very interesting concept. I am certainly going to look at "agorism" in greater detail; my gut reaction is: how can it work? But it sounds worthy of consideration and a starting point.

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capesurvivor wrote:

Degrees of freedom plummet as you age

Ain't necessarily so.

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Depends on life circumstances and how many people are dependent upon you, IMHO.

 

SG

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I also would be delighted if a future event were held in Virginia. I'd go out of my way to attend and get every Central area VA homeschooler that I could get to attend. 

C'ville or Richmond would be especially great! 

 

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hineslaw: Welcome aboard!

Check out Dogs' thread for the "Virginia Battalion" : http://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/join-virginia-battalion-martenson-br...

Identify yourself here so we can start organizing this conference!

Cheers,

Mike

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Hi Michelle

Wonderful to think that another kiwi was present, that a scary home situation has stabilised and to read your report. We are a few here now. Wow - never imagined a kiwi might be there. Feel so far away sometimes.

Amanda V, gyrogearloose (hamish) and myself making four with you that I know of. Do you know of others?. Sure they are hanging round.

We could start a kiwi thread maybe?

I'm in Nelson www.kiwibog.com 

Don

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Mike Pilat wrote:

SG: Understood, and I apologize if I sounded insensitive. I have some unique challenges myself...the greatest opportunities for my career at this moment are probably in the city. But the greatest opportunities for my life over the long haul are most definitely not. All of us are grappling with similar concerns in one way or another.

Hear hear.... I think most of us, regardless of age, would find it very difficult to relocate to small communities and still continue our chosen careers.  And since few (or none) of us are independently wealthy, we need to keep our careers to have the finances and preparations to handle big changes ahead.  Ever the juggling act.  Sure, you could move to a small town and commute an hour or so each way to/from work... but that defeats much of the original purpose behind sustainable living ;^)

- Nickbert

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I know Mike, he only had my interests at heart.

Great Emo quotation, BTW. I laugh whenever I see it.

 

SG

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I live north of Seattle, near the Canadian border. There are a lot of folks in this area, within a hundred mile radius of Seattle, who came together during Ron Paul's presidential run. Most of these people are still connected via Meetup, news groups, Campaing for Liberty and the political parties, particularly Libertarian and Republican. These links could create a great audience of folks for a CC seminar who are already partway down the path we need to travel. So I am sure a Seattle-area conference could be a great success. Perhaps some of us could assist in making it happen.

Also, there are similar connected people around the country who have in common that they support the ideas voiced by Ron Paul and the legion of sane thinkers he learned from. We should increase this connectedness in whatever ways we can.

If anyone wants to discuss these things with me, write me at [email protected]

Yours in liberty......

 

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Chris and Becca

I honor you for all your hard work and dedication.

I recently recieved a call from someone who took your workshop at Rowe this weekend.

I am so appreciative that you are sharing Earthwork Programs as a resource for people learning Wilderness Living Skills,Community Building and Emergency Prep.

I feel it is important that we PRACTICE these skills and not depend on gathering things that will run out of fuel,have movable parts that could break or need replacing and need a source of seeds for foreign foods etc.   even though that is important too.

I believe...

 

                                "The more you carry in your head the less you carry on your back..."

 

Practice makes proficient. 

We have a lineage of people that have left a legacy of weathering hard times and thrived on our Earth in relationship with it.

Thanks again,

Frank Grindrod

 

 

EarthWork Programs

Frank Grindrod, Program Director

P.O. Box 961, Williamsburg, MA 01096

413-522-0338

[email protected]  

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Dear Chris and Becca,

My partner and I attended the Feb 2008 Rowe workshop and owe you an overdue THANK YOU for what you taught us, how you reinforced our trust in our own judgement and urged us to act based on our knowledge and judgement.  When we got home from the workshop we started with the simple things (food stores, changes to 401K positions) and over the past year have done more. 

Four months after the workshop I was told that my job was being cut and owing to the insight and learning I got from you, I was in the right frame of mind to act quickly and benefit from what most would see as a disaster.  My job was in a large city, distant from our primary home and we owned a small apartment where I lived during the work week.  Within two weeks of getting the news that my job would end I put the apartment on the market and was able to sell it within 8 weeks (using Craig's list and pricing to sell).  We used the proceeds from the apartment to pay off our primary mortgage and other debts.  We are now debt free and, overall, better positioned to weather coming events.  I attribute much of this to the two of you and your dedication to getting this information to out to others.  You may also be interested to know that I have been distributing your first DVD to friends and have gotten very positive feedback and appreciation from those who've viewed it.

Our lives are a lot simpler, happier and we are excited about the future.  I have become more involved in our local community and a couple of days ago I recieved an email asking if I would be interested in becoming the manager of a local farmer's market.  Don't yet know if that will work out but if not that something else will.

Again, many thanks and warm regards.

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Hello Everyone!

I too was in attendance at The Rowe Conference this past weekend and, after having a few days to decompress and gather my thoughts, I thought I'd jump into the mix here and give you some of my impressions... some of the highlights from my perspective and my experience.

This is liable to be a bit lengthy so I apologize in advance.

First let me tell you the number one reason why I drove over 300 miles (from SE Pennsylvania) to be in attendance last weekend. I wanted to "physically" meet Chris Martenson. I wanted to know that he was a real live, breathing person. I wanted to know that he was not some egg-headed, cubical bound, not seen the light of day in weeks kind of statistician with some type of axe to grind or agenda to fulfill.

Do you know what I mean? I wanted to know that he was (as I suspected and hoped) the REAL DEAL.

After having spent the better part of 45 hours practically living with him (I slept in the next room over) I can happily report that he, his wonderful wife Becca and one of their children  (a very attractive daughter, who also attended) are not only real, they are one of the most Authentic family's I have ever met!

Most of you (like me) are relatively new to this information. The Martenson's have been breathing, eating. sleeping, drinking (and whatever else one does) with this stuff for years and years. And everything they did over the weekend permeated with the Crash Course understanding. The life they now live is one based on choices made directly as a result of this work. In short, they walk their talk!

OK, enough gushing (lest they get big heads). However I will say this -- I deeply appreciate and am enormously grateful for the Crash Course and the Martenson's life work. In too many ways to count, I feel far better prepared for the future... whatever that may be.

Chris, Becca, from the bottom of my heart, thank you!!! You have made a gargantuan difference in my life and I will pay that forward to as many other lives as I can touch.

Now, on to the weekend.

At Friday nights opening session, Chris and Becca basically took the pulse of where most of us were in terms of awareness to, not only the crash course material, but how we felt about the current state of our country and world at large. They began an engaging dialogue with us that would continue throughout the weekend.

For those of you not there, let me set the scene a for you. Unlike past corporate, business type conferences that I have attended in the past, this was very relaxed and informal. There were no ballrooms with folding tables and chairs. At Rowe, we met in the expansive "Rug Room" (yes there was a bigg-ish rug, but it didn't extend to the walls... so no, it wasn't a padded room :-) ). Some participants sat on the floor, leaning back against those back-leaning thingies. Many sat on couches, while the rest sat in chairs.

Chris did have a computer projector and used it throughout the sessions to post various slides and data. But it would be a mistake to think it was a typical seminar where the leader is just dumping info and data. The whole weekend was more like a giant conversation, meandering through everyone and for the most part, all the time (even during meal breaks and especially at bed time). Certainly Chris, Becca and Alejandro (their good friend) directed the flow of the conversation, but they listened every bit as much as the lead. It was truly a big synergistic mind-meld of sorts where everyone was involved. Because of the very nature of the material being discussed, you can imagine everyone had an opinion; and thankfully, everyone had an opportunity to speak, to share their thoughts and feelings. Had you been there, you would have felt compelled to literally "Participate". There were many chances too, in either the whole group setting, or one of the many "break-out" sessions.

One of the big re-occuring theme's we discussed was the idea of having a "Crash Course Tool Box" in which to help navigate these troubling times.

One tool we covered in length was the Six Stages of Awareness. For those of you who haven't read it yet, Chris wrote and has posted a wonderful article spelling out the various mental and emotional stages we all have gone or are going through as we digest the crash course realities. I believe it is posted under the essential articles sub-head of the LEARN drop-down at the top of the webpage.

Anyway, we spent a lot of time working through the various stages. I personally have felt all of them... (now) mostly bouncing back and forth between anger and acceptance. I think it was time very well spent reviewing the stages because another one of the big themes was the challenge that all of the participants felt in sharing Crash Course ideas with family, friends, co-workers and neighbors.

All most to a person, participants reported they had experienced difficulty in engaging others in these types of discussions. Some as close as their spouse/ partner and immediate family. There was some powerful emotions as some even shared the pain of their spouses not wishing to "talk about it". But that was one of the great things about being there at Rowe, you realized that you weren't alone and magically, as the weekend progressed, you could feel the air shift; the atmosphere changed. Each passing hour, minute, we were coming together as a community of like-minded people. Needless to say, it was a cool experience to feel and be part of!

Another one of the tools we discussed was having the ability to Differentiate between Facts, Opinions and Beliefs; especially when confronted by the news of the day as given by the Main-Stream-Media. Not just "watching the news" and accepting it as the "Truth", put applying a "Filter" with which to pull the news through. Actively engaging and filtering the source with questions such as "is that really true?" Are they telling me a fact, or just offering their opinion? And what are some of their beliefs through which they are reporting?

Another tool we talked about was who or what are your "trusted" sources from information. And, not relying on just one, but getting multiple sources for confirmation. For me, like many of you, Chris is a trusted source. But being the "Doubting Thomas" that I am, I always look elsewhere as well. (As an little aside, perhaps you're a bit like me? When I first stumbled across this website I clicked on the Crash Course I sat mesmerized for four to five hours. I kept starting and stopping. Taking notes. Yelling, screaming at my monitor "no way, that can't be true" over and over again. Then I spent the next month checking it all out -- reading books like Jekyll Island, physically visiting the Philly Federal Reserve, spending untold hours on the BLS website. Crap. Crap, crap, crap! It's all true. Sh*t, now what do i do? Anybody else do that?).

Anyway, some of my own personal trusted sources, in no particular order are: Ron Paul (who sadly, a year ago... BC, that is before Chris, I thought was an unelectable nut job. Damn, too late smart, eh? Maybe we can draft him for another run in 2012?), Peter Schiff, Mike Shedlock, Jim Kunstler, the writers on the website Financial Sense (especially anything written by James Quinn), and, just to get really angry sometimes, Karl Denninger. Who are some of your trusted sources of information? 

 Another tool is to trust your own instincts. As Chris said, if it doesn't smell right, it most likely isn't. Becca encouraged us to trust what we see in our own lives. For example, when the gov't reports that we only have a 7% unemployment rate, does that jive with what you see in the real world? In fact, just today, it was reported that retail sales actually increased in January... did they really? Not in my neck of the woods, I can tell you that.

Becca was very instrumental in the area of Beliefs. She challenged us to consider alternate beliefs to some of our closely held positions; to look at things in a different way. To consider whether the beliefs we held were limiting us, keeping us stagnant or enhancing us, charting a new, better path.

On a personal note, I took the area of beliefs very seriously and looked at some of my own beliefs and found some of them wanting. Let me be brief, but specific with an example of one of my limiting beliefs. I am a real estate investor. I provide housing for 25 families. Most folks would think of me as fairly well to do, yet in this current economic environment I do not feel that way. I feel like I am at risk. In a thriving economy, things would be great. Not now. In recent months I've experienced an uptick in late payments. Property values are dropping. Remenber the CC chapter on Bubbles... I got a two to five year unwinding to go through and I can see the path that lies ahead. I'm gonna be chasing people, probably evicting people... it's gonna suck. My limiting belief is I'm screwed, right?

Or, I could look at it a different way. Maybe now I am a real estate dis-investor. Instead of being "locked-down" I could sell some (maybe all) of my investments and convert the equity into precious metals or maybe some prime farm land in Lancaster County. You see? Sometimes you just have to look at something in a new way or different light (damn dem Martenson's R pur-dee smart).

Yikes!

I've been typing this for a long time. The day here is getting short, and I still need to do some work. I'm going to stop here and call this the end of Pat's Post, Part 1. I'll come back tomorrow and post part 2 which will include my own specific preparations and how they (mostly) align with the Martenson's; I'll also discuss other topics we covered at Rowe like living standards, hope, optimism, the big three (my emphasis) of Default, Inflate and Jubilee... weeeee!

One last thing before I go. No, two more things before I go.

The first is I'd like you to know that while the subject matter was pretty weighty stuff, it wasn't without FUN. I think we as a group laughed... I mean really laughed, a lot! Mostly at ourselves, but all in all it wasn't the Doom & Gloom that you might have expected. People were upbeat and looking forward. It was great to be there!

And the last thing (for today) is that I've finally decided to come up for air and be me. Actually I've always been me, I've just been hiding behind my anonymous, nebulous screen name. Having met Chris, Becca and all you other wonderful folks in attendance this past weekend, I think it is safe to come out of the darkness, into the light... to stand and be counted...

Hi. My name is Pat Carney... and I am...

 

... gonna be late for dinner.

Cheers All, I'll post more tomorrow!

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  Thank you so much for posting part 1.  Unfortunately I could not attend Rowe and am hoping Chris and Becca will come to Virginia and do a repeat for us southerners!  Looking forward to Part 2 and would appreciate every single detail you can type!  Teresa

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Pat,

Thank you for sharing your experiences... Felt like I was there.

I hope you always keep, TimesAwasting on your post, it always makes me think and makes me move!

Cat

 

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*clap* *clap* *clap*

Pat - it was our pleasure to meet you as well and I am deeply grateful that you took the time to come, engage, and then write it up.  That was a fantastic gift to Becca and myself and I am grateful for your thoughtful recounting of the weekend.

I also want to call out the post just above yours to be sure that people realize that was from an attendee from *last* year. If anyone hasn't read it, please do so and carefully.

The most important thing that I think that Becca and I can impart - the very highest goal of the seminar for us - is to help other people obtain the same degree of mental freedom that we have achieved.  What I saw in the post above by KRON is that they most valued their newfound ability to rapidly accept their new condition and move on.  That's a meaningful validation of the seminar.

This, more than anything, defines how I see the future.  It explains why we are homeschooling our children because we believe that where any schools we could afford would mainly enforce conformity, the future will demand adaptability.  It explains why I feel very little stress about what is coming - I have complete faith in our ability to adapt here at the Martenson household.  We cut our tethers to the wharf a while ago and have been charting our own course, on our own terms, ever since.

Many others here have done so as well.  The learning for Becca and myself has been that it just takes time to get your sea legs under you.  Time.  It just takes time.  What's your most valuable commodity?  Time.

This is the primary offering that we bring to a conference.  Giving people the tools to begin navigating on their own.  Because they sooner they start, the more sound their sea legs when the change happens to them or in their neck of the woods.

Thank you for both seeing that and then recounting it for others to see here.

Best,
Chris 

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Pat Carney,

What a great post! Thanks so much for the "visuals" you created with your words. (Were you a writer in a past/present life?)

Like, mktqwn, I'm also looking forward to part-2!

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