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Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:25 PM


Chris Martenson fans,

Okay, okay! We got the message loud and clear that you want the Crash Course on DVD. In fact, in the few days since the Crash Course was completed, we’ve been inundated with requests for a DVD version. I’m writing today to describe our plans to release the Crash Course on DVD and to distribute that DVD through a grassroots community effort. Here's the deal:

We are working diligently on making a nice DVD release of the Crash Course. Thank you to the many who have offered to record the Crash Course and “burn a DVD for us.” We greatly appreciate those offers, but we’d like to jazz it up just a little before we make a DVD available. Please bear with us.


Grassroots Distribution Plan

This is the best part! Chris is passionate about getting this message out to as many people as possible. So much so that he’s decided to forego selling the DVDs for his own profit. Instead, we’ll be counting on the community to help distribute the DVDs.

Although the Crash Course is easily worth $50 or more, we’re going to put a very low $5 “suggested retail” price tag on the crash course DVD. Then we’re going to let anybody who wants to make copies and sell them. That's right, anyone who wants to can reproduce Crash Course DVDs and sell them for up to $5 apiece, with our blessings.

Chris doesn’t mind giving the Crash Course away for free in order to get the message out, and we decided that giving a small profit incentive to reward those who help distribute the message was appropriate. We particularly hope that college students will feel inspired to mass produce Crash Course DVDs and sell them on campus. For anyone whose Internet connection is less than blazingly fast, $5 is a small price to pay for the benefit of not waiting for downloads, and the $5 price allows the passionate volunteers who choose to help distribute our message recover their expenses plus a small profit.

For those of you who are financially comfortable enough that you aren’t concerned with profiting from this, we hope you’ll buy a pack of a hundred Crash Course DVDs on eBay and give them away as free gifts to your friends. If you just want a copy of the DVD, don’t worry; shortly after we release the master on BitTorrent, there will undoubtedly be people selling them on eBay.


Coming Soon – We promise!

In the few days since the Crash Course was “completed” with the release of Ch. 20, we have been swamped with requests for the DVD. We love your enthusiasm! But please bear with us, getting the DVD master produced may take several weeks. We’ll post an announcement just as soon as it’s ready, we promise!

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

Are you saying that we can sell copies that we make for our own profit?  I'm sorry, I would rather send the money I make to you guys.  You deserve it.

Then again...  with the economy the way it is, a little extra cash could be handy.  But no, I'd rather give it to you, seeing as I haven't made a donation yet.  

-Ashton

 

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

If you want this to reach the masses it should be released through bittorrent.  If you put some advertisements for your site on the DVD you should be able to make money off the the increased traffic and donations.

Although I don't agree with all your concerns and conclusions, I found the crash course to be very valuable and thought provoking.  I look forward to having a DVD to send to friends and family.

-Joel

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

I'm really excited for this! You're so generous...i'm definitely sending whatever I make past the cost of production back to you guys. Your work is so crucial, and your character so honest and noble. It's really an honor to be a part of something like this with you. And  BitTorrent should work marvelously =] Naturally we'll have to digg it way up as soon as it comes out. I'm stoked!

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Danger- College students- Major Problems

To Chris and Erik,

It's partly a good idea, with but it has major holes in it. Torrent, college students, control, profit and getting the word out quickly. Once again I am stating how important it is to control this work.  

You get this on a campus, it will be an uncontrolled torrent within hours. Erik, why would you want to make the incredibly bad mistake to release the master as a Torrent? I know you say you and Chris do not want to profit from this, but you at least need to make creation and production cost's back, as well as shipping costs. Don't you have admin and hosting costs as well? Of course, people can currently gleam it off your website if they wish to, which I think is a total mistake and still currently unprotected.

I think the only way people should be able to view to the Crash Course currently (before DVD or whatever) is to become a registered user. This will also be good in the future to get possible grants or venture capital to show your user base to truly help in Martenson's "efforts". Maybe you let like a teaser overview be viewed by all, but not the entire presentation, that is if you want to grow. It's a delicate balance of getting the word out and staying in business.

You need to plead to the people you sell it to that this supports the website and it's future work, as well as newer presentations and such, so please don't torrent this. Maybe in the terms included with the CD. 

I say CD because is it really big enough for a DVD? With compression technology you can put it on a CD, make it a VCD or something and make it easier to save production costs and still playable on a DVD player or computer. Is a DVD really necessary?

If you do decide to go down the Torrent road, at least make people sign up on the website to get it and host the Torrent or download yourself so you can track it and harvest more users for stats. I am on during Taiwan time, so I may not be correct in this since it's sleepy time in America, but I usually see 20 registered users and around 200 guests. This really needs to change.

Plus with a SRP of $5, who is to say people won't sell it for more? Lot's of profiteers out there. You are worried about EBAY. If it becomes a torrent you will not need to worry about EBAY because mostly everyone will get it or copy of it for free.

I think you are making a herculean (your word, Erik) mistake in trusting in the faith that people will not abuse this plan. I have worked for many software development companies over the years from IBM to Microsoft, and not protecting this as much as you can is a total blunder.

People like Michael Moore can afford to release "Slacker Uprising" for free because Moore made like $100 million off of Fahrenheit 911 and his other movies. You are very far from having that power yet and probably won't even eclipse that kind of capital anytime soon.

You are also competing with the movie I.O.U.S.A. being released now. That's right, competing. It's sad that you need to compete to get the word out, and I have not seen the movie yet, but it seems that this movie has stopped your organization from making a movie. After I see it, if it's a different message, I would still consider doing a movie, interviewing people like Ron Paul and other important government officials. I cannot comment on this any further until I see the movie. If anyone on here already has, please post a message or review and compare it to the work Chris did and see if it is the same, slightly the same or entirely different.

It also seems to me you might even fit this on a mini cd and save even more. Shipping costs will also be lower. What is the total size of all the Flash chapters put together? Unless you are moving to some sort of bloated software to finalize and polish your release copy.  

Also it would probably be a good idea to region control it if it is in a playable format, such as a VCD. Leave it in the American region for now until you start doing multiple language versions. It won't stop people from breaking the region code, that's not too hard to do. But it will slow them down.

I disagree also with you stating that Chris or you are concerned with users on here thinking that you or Chris profit from this. I don't think you should worry about this. I don't care if Chris, or you, or you admin profit from this, because you should. And I think a lot of my friends and users on here will agree with that. Chris should not work for free, as well as anyone else working for your organization. Besides this-

Erik Townsend
Business Manager
PeakProsperity.com

Makes you a BUSINESS MANAGER now, does it not? Business is not grass roots anymore. Its business. What will you be next, Executive Business Manager? Have you incorporated yet?  

Grass roots is one thing, but don't go too far down the grass roots road or you will end up with no profit to continue. Unless of course, this is a one shot deal and Chris will not be doing anymore presentations or contributions in the future.

Is the presentation copyrighted for real, or did Chris just put that on the presentation. I don't see a copyright on PeakProsperity.com, so I am guessing Chris or you didn't have the capital to get a real copyright on anything.

No copyright means your very similar to a Linux distro with even less control. Free to modify, re-arrange or copy and reverse engineer the presentation and have another company rip off all the ideas and work and simply do it themselves, using all the work Chris did for someone else to profit on. Do you really want that to happen? Is this what Chris deserves for all his hard work?

I think you should work more on profit and control with a presentation like this. Unless of course, the new advertising is doing so well that you simply don't care about the presentation, and are just driving people to the website, which makes no sense because probably less than half or more will even come to the website after they get whatever format they get the Crash Course in.

You may be dealing with a lot of folks who don't even have a computer to go online. The result of this means your advertising idea is in the toilet. In my opinion, driving people to the website is one of your goals, is it not?

Why would most come to the website after viewing the presentation. Give me a reason. Future presentations? Chris doing his daily view on the conditions? To chat with other users about conditions currently going on? What? A big gamble, and probably a losing one.

Just some thoughts to make more capital off of the presentation, which you have stated capital on many occasions is needed for this website, and you and "Chris Martenson's Efforts" to continue. I know you want to get the word out quickly, but a balance of getting the word out and making enough money continuing what you are doing as the new "Business Manager" is paramount for the survival of this website, and or business.

 

 

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

I have already made high quality xvid rips from the swf. Quality looks great at full screen and audio is nicely synced. Total size is 350 MB which is perfect for torrent distribution. It will be much faster to spread the word this way than with discs.

I respect Chris very much so thought I'd seek his permission before pressing the go button.

 

 

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Torrent=bad=copy=free
Torrent=bad=copy=free
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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

Krogoth,

It seems to me that all this good business advice you've given here is working in a different paradigm to the one Chris has embraced. I do think that this is good advice but I can't help but think that Chris's message implies that the future will be forcing us all to let go of a lot of these assumptions of personal ownership and control, and especially money. So I would just like to make a couple of points.

The concern that people will think Chris and Erik are looking to eventually make a profit out of this is a realistic one. He's telling us about the end of money and yet expects us to give him some? What for?! I know that sounds short sighted but I am thinking of visitors' first impressions. Once they've experienced the quality and size of the site they're more likely to understand that money is needed to keeping the site going at least for the short term.

The obvious altruism makes this site stand out against the background of the slick looking websites by financial advisers who do intend to profit. Since everyone has felt this enormous betrayal by the money men, traders and finance experts, proof of altruism goes a long way towards the credibility of the work. If this site looks like it's turning a community service into a long-winded infomercial for some other scheme down the track, it won't be trusted.

 

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A delicate balance

Maenad,

I understand where you are coming from, but like I said it's a delicate balance to do this correctly. I don't think that getting paid for hard work is a bad thing, but balance is needed not to ward off the people who have and are getting burned by what is going on. It's hard enough to deal with all these economic conditions to bleed a little more out of someone who has been kicked and is down. We have all been kicked in one way or another. BUT, it also can be designed in a way to support the continuation of the idea itself, which does unfortunately require capital.

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As I said, easy to copy

As I said before, easy to copy right now.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

Yes, I think everybody needs to realize thatt his isn't about profits, business, greed, money, or anything like that. Those are the ideals that have gotten us into this financial mess to begin with.

 Above everything else, the main goal is to spread the word and gain public awareness, in any way possibe. If this means free distribution via bittorrent or usenet or similar mediums, then so be it.

 I personally would not burn dvd's and sell then for my own profit, I would feel bad making money off of somebody else's hard work, but there are people out there who would, and if it spreads the Crash Course, then it has done its job.

 This is not about money, it is about something much bigger. This is about our future, our livelihood, our SURVIVAL as a species on this planet, and things need to be done right now to enuse that future will exist.

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Don't forget to mention the Crash

"We’d like to jazz it up just a little before we make a DVD available."

Yep ... maybe the Crash Course could include a chapter about the actual, you know, "Crash." I mean, 6% down one day, 6% down the next, and the next, and pretty soon you've got a real bear market on your hands. Although it's important, with some value returning, not to promote a "permabear" message at exactly the wrong moment. The DJIA is approaching a 4% dividend yield, meaning it's only slightly overvalued now.

There's also the serious issue of what the hell fixed income investors are to do in a world of zero-percent policy rates. Last time round (2003), the answer was "buy houses with teaser ARMs for zero down." At least, for a couple of years it was. But as they say, past results may not be indicative of future returns. And rarely does the same Bubble strike twice.

I continue to think there's a problem with the dollar, despite its current strength. Calls to "redesign Bretton Woods II" probably will mark the economic bottoming out. That is a key area for action and advocacy, since if current status quo thinking prevails, the redesign will be botched (meaning -- YES -- more new debt to paper over old debt). And "investment" will continue to consist only of "identifying the next Bubble and buying it on 30 times margin" -- hardly a recipe for long-term stability.

* sigh *

Money mouth ZIRP me up, Ben, there's no economic life down here! Money mouth

 

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

Erik & Chris:

Sure you have thought about this, but in case you missed the obvious - a good PR firm will get a physical disk in front of the media! We have a lot of clients who use this for their websites and what they sell.

Best luck. I hope you get a lot of folks out of denial!

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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

Hello krogoth,

 

I read your entire first post lecture regarding business practices for the Martenson project.  The ideas expressed are thought out and written well but they have no foundation in Chris’s community.  He has chosen a much different model for his world, one that I picked up quite quickly after being referred to his site.  And beside, as you point out early on, Chris has already given it away.

 

I value all discussions on this board and appreciate the time it takes for you (and everyone, else here) to express yourself (themselves).  The value of any community is their diversity of talents and the degree to which they are fully self expressed.  This is my contribution to the pot...for now.

 

Flame off-


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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

 Maenad said:

"The obvious altruism makes this site stand out against the background of the slick looking websites by financial advisers who do intend to profit. Since everyone has felt this enormous betrayal by the money men, traders and finance experts, proof of altruism goes a long way towards the credibility of the work. If this site looks like it's turning a community service into a long-winded infomercial for some other scheme down the track, it won't be trusted."

Totally agree.

Chris has done an awesome job here, and I constantly praise him.  I am very confident he is much wealthier than I am.  I haven't worked for ten years, because working is unsustainable, and I refuse to support the Matrix..... I have also done many public Peak Oil presentations of my own design, and I run three Yahoo groups related to PO and the environment, all for free.

I have downloaded all the swf files, and burnt many CDs off it (I did ask Chris' permission frst).  I give them away....

Now I'm planning to workshop public showings in my community.  For free.

Welcome to the new world order.  And the V word. Volunteerism.

Mike. 

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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems
[quote=Damnthematrix]

Maenad said:

Now I'm planning to workshop public showings in my community.  For free.

Welcome to the new world order.  And the V word. Volunteerism.

Mike. 

[/quote]

Well said, Mike.  I have already sent many family and friends the link to the crash course, and two weeks ago we had a small community meeting to discuss it.  I too would gladly make copies and distribute them for free, although I am not as competent with the technology as some of you, so a DVD or CD would be great.  I actually woke up this morning wondering about doing a public showing here at the community center.  I'd love to hear how it goes for you.  Would you show the whole thing at once, with a couple of breaks?  Or show it in two consecutive weeks or evenings?  And how do you plan on advertising it?

 Thanks to Chris and all of you who post regularly here.  I check the site every day and have found it invaluable and inspirational.

 

 

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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

I couldn't agree more with volunteering and road shows.

If people get broadsided they will be a liability. Everyone needs to be prepared and the mainstream media is either clueless or for whatever reason, not reporting it.

 

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Summary once again

I think in summary that hard work should be rewarded, not stolen. The way this is getting setup, the capital needed may not support future efforts or maintenance. As for capital or profit, that is for Chris to decide, but capital means greater ability to get this out more and more.

If it's free from people simply stealing it as a bittorrent, capital is lost. I think people here wish for everything to be free, and that would be great, but it's not realistic and it's not the world we live in.

Considering Chris has spent 4 plus years on this, and I don't know his personal financial picture, it seems that the fact that the data can be copied and stolen so easily is not good.

If Chris is rich then it does not matter, but I read over and over here from Erik about personal finances used by Chris so far as well as donations to keep this effort going, and the way it's worded the time and money spent is a drain on Chris. It's not easy or cheap to do this, and it's not going to get any cheaper as it grows.  

I have learned a lot from the Crash Course. A lot I knew already, but then I learned some new things as well. Talking about different ways to do this can only result in positive, constructive growth. I just think that the work and effort Chris did should be rewarded, and not leave him twisting in the breeze.

 

As for your comment, Flameon2k-

but they have no foundation in Chris’s community

I don't really think that's for you to decide considering this has been so far an open community forum. That's it's major strength. You are entitled to your opinion, as long as it stays an opinion, not a directive like this is your website.  

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Summary once again

Krogroth:

 You raise some great merritts, I'm not disagreeing with any. 

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Re: Summary once again

As to how & what to charge for the DVD or  binary download,It is ultimately up to Chris.

However I strongly agree that formal intellectual property formalities such as copyright must be properly put in place.

Since this is an educational publication, I think an ISBN number should also be registered, but this would add extra $$$ to the production costs. (all the more reason to charge a minimal charge just to offset the production costs).

Kgroth, you give Linux as an example of the worst case scenario, but even the Linux source files are copyrighted by their individual authors, and Linux is also distributed under a  "license" ( GPL which licenses the source to be given out freely).

So, protecting one's intellectual property by copyright, still allows one to give it away for free, if they so choose. One does not necessarily exclude the other.

 

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Re: Summary once again

No I said this

 

No copyright means your very similar to a Linux distro with even less control-

Meaning no copyright, no control. I was implying Linux has better control mechanisms.

 

 

 

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

Not to change the subject, but this was a good read. 

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5014463.ece 

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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

salten wrote: 

"I actually woke up this morning wondering about doing a public showing here at the community center.  I'd love to hear how it goes for you.  Would you show the whole thing at once, with a couple of breaks?  Or show it in two consecutive weeks or evenings?  And how do you plan on advertising it?"

At my first attempt, I will try to show the entire crashcourse in one hit, with breaks, see how that goes (and listen to feedback of course) and work out whether it's workable or not.  If it's not, I will have to rethink the process, you have to be flexible.

I live in a small town of ~ 1300.  We have kicked off a transition town initiative here, and at the last meeting it was decided that I (who has experience at desktop publishing) will start producing a new local paper/newsletter. I will promore viewings of the crashcourse there.

BTW, I will do this for FREE!  It's my intention to distribute it electronically (the newsletter that is) as much as possible, but already we've had donations of $60 to enable the printing of hard copies.  My wife and I are contemplating running sausage sizzles at our local market to raise the funds necessary to continue printing it...

It's all happening!

Mike 

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Re: Summary once again

krogoth wrote:

"If it's free from people simply stealing it as a bittorrent, capital is lost."

But capital IS lost......   What we have left now is SOCIAL CAPITAL.

" I think people here wish for everything to be free, and that would be great, but it's not realistic and it's not the world we live in."

BUT it's where we are heading...  I also give away food and plants, do workshops on how our house is built...  for FREE. BTW, we live in a still unfinished house.  I don't own a car.

"I just think that the work and effort Chris did should be rewarded, and not leave him twisting in the breeze."

If Chris is remembered worldwide as the heroic intellectual who woke the world up to the fact we have been conned by the Matrix, then that alone is reward enough.  IF Chris is actually destitute, then I would have no qualms sending him a few bucks.  Multiply that by the many thousands who have visited this site, and I reckon he could be handsomely rewarded financially too.

Mike. 

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

at the risk of being out of step. I have no money of any consequence - just scrape by on a careful budget and low fixed income. I want Chris's message to get to as many people as possible. How just doesn't matter to me. The most expedient methods available. Messing with interlectual property rights etc can be big attention suckers.

Are we not learning almost by the minute that the only thing money rewards is greed. 

Don

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LINUX

I use Linux SPECIFICALLY because it's distributed in the spirit of community and social capital.  Like me (and Chris I would have thought) the designers of Linux code do what they love to do to better the world, not line their pockets with ostentatious wealth a la Bill Gates.

Linux is an order of magnitude better than Windoze as well.....

Mike. 

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Damnthematrix,

I tried showing the Crash Course in its entirety to a group of people and it was just too much for them to take in during one sitting.  I think splitting it up into at least two, and preferably four parts, and leaving time for discussion and questions afterwards is a better strategy.

Keep in mind that most of us watched chapters as they were released over time, and thus had some time to integrate and think about what we were learning.  That's really important.  Yes, time is of the essence but we all need to keep in mind that people will very likely go through the Six Stages of Awareness (starting with denial) when they are exposed to this stuff.

 

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

Hey everyone,

I discovered this site about a month ago while doing some research on how inflation is calculated and reported and ran across a link to the fuzzy numbers chapter of the Crash Course.  After spending over a year full-time researching the envirnonmental and economic circumstances we are in, I believe that this site and the Crash Course are the best resource I've found that clearly identifes and explains the challenges that we face now and in the future.  I just registered as a subscriber and want to do all that I can to help others find this site and increase their awareness of the reality of the world we are currently living in.

I have one minor suggestion to improve the Crash Course presentation.  The audio is not at an even level throughout and I often must adjust the volume from one chapter to the next.  It's not a big deal, but it would give the course a more polished and professional touch if the audio was more consistent throughout.  I am going to email Chris now and suggest that he try to fix this if he has time before pressing a bunch of discs.

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"I think splitting it up into at least two, and preferably four parts, and leaving time for discussion and questions afterwards is a better strategy."

switters, do you mean break up the one sitting, or show the crashcourse over several days?  I think the continuity and the flow from one chapter to the next is important, don't you?

I was definitely thinking of having discussion between every two or three files.... 

Mike. 

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!
I also use Linux like Mike... I completely wiped Windows XP in 2006... I'm an IT manager and was beta testing Windows Vista and disillusioned with that, decided to run Linux fulltime (at least at home).  I've dabbled in Linux over the years from 1996 onwards but the GNU/Linux/GPL looks more and more the way of the future
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What distro do you use danelm?  I use and love Suse 10.3...
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Why we need the Crash Course on DVD (& comment on Money Supply)

Thanks Davos,

At first the article you posted looked promising since this person's predictions looked good and I was hoping to see an economist of prominence that might have some answers.  However I read his post on Oct. 25/08 on his blog and unfortunately he uses "inflation to mean rising prices and deflation means lower prices".  This means that he doesn't yet appreciate the portion of the Austrian School of Economics that defines "inflation as a rise in the money supply and deflation means a reduction in the money supply".  We've had a boom because of the rise in the money supply (mostly from credit creation) and now deflation is raging as the money supply crashes as debts are being repaid or being partially or completely wiped out because the assets and income backing them aren't sufficient.

Naturally a rise in the money supply appears to cause the price of goods to rise - but actually it is money that is depreciating in price so that it takes more money to buy the same goods.  As the money supply falls and the economy slows we will start to prices fall because companies will have excess inventory (and there is less money as credit becomes harder to come by and people will make purchases out of their disposable income after debt payments) then companies will try to move the goods by cutting prices.  The value of money is rising as there is less and less of it available.

However, this doesn't preclude hyperinflation from occurring once central banks try to fight deflation by currency inflation which will likely begin to occur by monetizing the debt (i.e. paying off the debt by printing electronic money).  Chris knows this doesn't have to happen but given the path we are on it is almost inevitable.  I'm beginning to think that hyperinflation in currency creation will be overwhelmed by deflation in credit money for some time. 

The more I look around the Internet for information on the economic situation the more I come back to Chris' site and the community that is developing here.  Cut to the chase: that's the reason that Chris needs to get the material out virally.  For every 100 people that receive the information a small fraction (1?) will appreciate the message and become subscribers and will work to build out the Framework for Action outlined in Chapter 20.  For the rest, a seed is planted or at least a beacon.  Then the DVD will sit in a corner of the room and "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear". 

For me once I worked through Chris' material I started doing research on living sustainably and how the voluntary simplicity movement fits in with the current situation.  That's when I picked up my copy of Deep Economy that had been sitting dormant on my bookshelf.  A year ago I started to read the book but I was more impressed at the time by the scope of the book Natural Capitalism.  Only Chris' material primed me (the student) that Deep Economy (the teacher) had an important message that we need to implement asap. 

Similar to voluntary simplicity is the Transition movement that I learned of from another poster on Chris' site and which lead me to the term permaculture.  What is this?  As I write this I put permaculture in Google to read what Wikipedia had to say on permaculture.  Why haven't I heard of this before?  A friend of mine told me over the weekend that permaculture was an old idea and that people were carrying this out where I live.  I, the student, wasn't ready for the concept until it had relevance to me.  Now I (the student) has been attracted to the beacon of permaculture (the teacher) for me to begin researching.

I'm passionate about Chris' material and I've shared it in depth with my friends and they all react differently.  Most don't visit his site but they do spend hours listening to me chatter on endlessly about my concerns and my plans and ideas.  Some are concerned that I'm depressed (even though I don't think I've been more energized) but I think that when you give bad news that is out of touch with the boom of growth we've had then it is natural to think that there must be something wrong with the messenger.

First, Chris will complete Chapter Zero as an introduction to the DVD so that people are better primed for the material than Chapter One which hits people pretty hard and turns some of them off (just compare how many "reads" Chapter One has compared to Chapter Two and beyond). 

Next, we will get the message out virally.  Chris' approach is the right one.  He is trying to eliminate the barriers to his material so that the exponential growth in the number of subscribers amasses.  Finally, this will add to the members of our team that can a) conduct the grassroots campaign and b) deepen the resources to do so through donations and c) develop the Framework for Action.

As time passes, and the economic landscape continues to unfold, the beacon of Chris' site will shine and the Framework for Action we make now together will guide others when they are ready to join us. 

Good luck everyone getting the message out.

All the best,

James

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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

Krogoth, you are right on target.  And I believe the close to chapter 20 clearly identifies that the Crash Course project IS a business, and should be run from that point of view, otherwise there would be no need to request donations.  Discussions of altruism and benefits to humanity can be the emotional ground to a sincere, objective, and efficent business plan which can model a modest growth, sustain its creator and allow for reinvestment back to community. 

Giving away the farm will not sustain the farmer or those who rely on his produce!  Folks should pony up the subscription fee and do so gladly!  If and when there is no value placed on the USD then Chris can set up (as will we all) his own form of accepted currency--- chickens, acorns, daisies.  In the meantime, the Crash Course is Chris' intellectual property/four years of dedication/personal and family sacrifice, and he should see a return on his investment.  As a subscriber I look at my subscription, ie investment, and I value the smart choice made to be part of this movement.

When the Crash Course is on CD/DVD I will purchase the copies I want to send to others.  Partly because I don't have a good clue how to copy and more to the point, making copies---that's ripping off!  Money mouth

I sincerely hope for Chris' sake the business plan does NOT include legalizing theft.  I also sincerely hope those in positions to make decisions for the marketing of the Crash Course carefully read your post.  Your contributions are spot on.

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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

For goodness sake npeykani, you assume that we all have the same purchasing powers!

I have given away some thirty CD of the crashcourse, and now there are thirty more clued up people on this Earth  There is NO WAY KNOWN I could have afforded to buy 30 disks from Chris..  I live in Australia.  Shipping CDs half way 'round the world is just as unsustainable as everything else you do.  Get over it.

You also say " Giving away the farm will not sustain the farmer".  To this I say bullshit!  I give away food all the time....  and guess what?  In exchange people come here and help me farm.

When I was building my house, I put out a call on my Australian Peak Oil list for assistance to raise the roof at a working bee.  Some people turned up to help that I'd never even heard of.....  and they'd driven 100 miles to get here.  In exchange they got free info on what constitutes a sustainable house. 

You need to get away from the city my friend, people in the country are much nicer.

Mike. 

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Taken so far off topic

DamntheMatrix-

Just because you are in a certain situation does not mean we all are. The point I was trying to make with my previous posts is that in order to keep the website, future presentations, or any info, or anything going  for Chris, Erik and staff , is capital. What they do with that capital, in my opinion, is what they want to. I don't know why I need to keep repeating this, and its clearly stated in my first post.

It's nice you have a farm and can give away food. Maybe Chris can set up a special request email for people who simply can't afford to buy it for $5 and that way he can decide the ratio of people that are needy and broke, and those who simply need it. Of course, if they are needy and broke, they probably don't have the ability to hold town meetings, copy DVD's, tell friends, fool around with Linux or even have time to watch the Matrix.

It seems to me that if you have a computer, are on the Internet and can comment so off topic about stuff, you are not that broke to begin with, so I don't understand why all the fuss about making money or capital needed to survive. I also don't think you read my original post that started this topic fully, so please go back and try hard to read it again, fully this time. Then hopefully you can comment responsibly.

We don't need to know what version of Linux you prefer so stay on topic. Start another forum topic on another website if you want to discuss that.

 

You also stated-

What we have left now is SOCIAL CAPITAL.
You know what, we are not quite at this point yet. Don't put on the hockey mask and start driving around looking for small oil refineries. You are writing on here like next week we will all be scavenging for berries to eat.


You said- V is for Volunteerism

I say I is for Informed

I say E is for Education

and I say C means Capital to keep going

Unless of course, you want Chris and Erik's efforts to stop in a couple of months. Hey, if we keep using letters, we can get some pom poms and become cheerleaders!

 

 

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Darn good read...
The temples of doom

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/oct/28/climatechange-population

Population explosion, ecological disaster and weak leadership ...
that's what probably killed off the Maya at the height of their
powers. Are the modern-day parallels too close for us to ignore?
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no thread for this one...

"You are writing on here like next week we will all be scavenging for berries to eat."

Maybe not next week, but next year? 

At any one time, half of all the nation's food is on the back of a truck. Supermarkets only stock three days worth of food.  Now introduce gas/diesel shortage, and you have......  emty shelves!

Start digging....

 Mike.

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Re: Damnthematrix hits the nail on the head ?

I get it intellectually---you're off the grid, damning the matrix, not working for 10 years and doing the Transition Town experiment.  Sincerely, I smile and send you the best. Owning a farm and working the land is not for the faint of heart.  Landowners and farmers in my small town (BTW I haven't lived in the city in over 20 years) pay veterinarian bills with money, pay the repair bills for iron work and machinery with money, pay the hired help that pick crops up and down the state with money, and pay the tax man every year with money.  They also donate land for community gardens, nature walks, outdoor education etc.  Do they barter and trade services?  Sure whenever possible--- that makes good business sense.  But giving it ALL away just won't meet the obligations.  It's capital used wisely that keeps local farms in my town meeting obligations. 

What I don't get is your assumptions and judgemental remarks.  If Chris gets DESTITUTE you'll send him a few bucks ????... that's straight from your post.  Just what are you saying here?  How ya gonna do that when you have no known way to afford shipping for DVD's already? 

I stand by my original message--- The Crash Course series is a business requiring investment---CAPITAL-- to keep it productive.  The website already makes the info available for free.  DVD's are another product and should not be freely copied.

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Splitting the DVD into several sections...

Mike and switters,

Breaking up the material into sections are good ideas. 

Chris,

A friend of mine has suggested to me today that a short recap at specific points along the way would help as reinforcement of the content and might serve as a good breaking point for a discussion.  If you create these for the DVD you could then add these recap "chapters" on the website in the appropriate place.  This would help those people that lead busy lives and can only do a chapter or two at once, or those that need to give themselves a chance to ponder the material, to go away and come back to the rest of the material when they can.

However I wouldn't be surprised if you've already thought of this...

Once the DVD out perhaps you could give us some pointers on leading Crash Course presentations since most of us haven't seen your material presented in person?

All the best,

James

 

 

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Garden

Gosh, I hope we all have enough land to grow our farms! Or maybe we can just eat all our hoards of Gold and Silver coins!

You see, it's kind of like a nuclear attack. You may live through it, but you won't survive the nuclear winter.

Those of you here that have farms, have Gold and Silver, have freeze dried food or other survival products, I suggest you buy a lot of machine gun turrets, land mines and automatic weapons to guard your personal whatever, because about 200 million American people if not more will be raiding you.

I suggest you think about solving the problem as a world society because we are all in this TOGHETHER, not as an individual family with an individual farm. You will simply be overrun if your vision of what's coming is actually coming.

Individual greed and individual thinking for oneself only is what got us into this mess. Now your saying we should indivually grow our own food while millions starve around us. Good logic! Have you ever seen what people do when they don't have food? Sometimes, they eat each other. What do you think they will do to you and your family?

Lock and load those guns! Oh, and I hope you have a LOT of ammo.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Damnthematrix hits the nail on the head ?

I get it intellectually---you're off the grid

Well I'm not actually.  I sell soplar power TO the grid....

Landowners and farmers in my small town pay veterinarian bills with money

We have 12 chickens, 4 ducks and 3 goats.  We don't use vets.  If an animal gets sick, (which hasn't happened yet) we'd put it down and eat it (depending on how it got sick) and get a new one.  Much cheaper.

 pay the repair bills for iron work and machinery with money

I do all my own repair work, and I recyckle EVERYTHING!  Recently rebuilt a rideon mower entirely with 2nd hand parts.

pay the hired help that pick crops up and down the state with money,

I pay with FOOD and SHELTER.  Google wwoofing

Tax man.....?

I already live as though the crash has occured.  Practice makes perfect...

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Re: Garden

" Lock and load those guns! Oh, and I hope you have a LOT of ammo."

 Thank God I don't live in Amrika..... 

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Re: Garden

What incredibly safe country do you live in where this can't happen? LOL, it does not exist! No country is safe, no island is safe, and nobody will be safe.

 

And for your information, we usually make sure people can spell America before we let them in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Garden

Krogoth,

Now you're making me lol.  You've started a separate forum inquiring about wind turbines for your home and here you are back here torturing poor Mike about his farm.  I'm sure he'll be looking over his shoulder for the 200 million Americans once they finish their swim to his place in Australia.

I couldn't agree with you more that we are in this together and we can both see that Mike is going full tilt right now networking in his community so that they have some advance preparation for the "nuclear winter".  I can't remember the book but there was a reference to a priest who was looking after 500 orphans...when the author later returned to find that there were now 1000 orphans the author was amazed...where was the additional food coming from?...the priest replied "no additional food...we just share what we have".  So should the food distribution system "hiccups" we will share what we have.  Thus we should figure out how to continue to produce and store (and buying to support local producers!) as much food as we can locally.  Networking with our neighbours and preparing for those that might not be so agreeable...yes there is that too.  My suggestion - let's just refer to this as the 3Fs so that newcomers to the site get a chance to acclimatize.

Actually the book Deep Economy is quite bullish on community energy solutions as opposed to going off-grid.  However at this stage I'll take any system that will give someone some electricity so that we can all remember what electricity was all about and we can all sit in Krogoth's living room and watch The Matrix together.

Mike,

Don't let Krogoth wind you up - his thought process and yours are quite similar in many respects.  He has previously commented that he sees a future based on barter for food - and I would agree with him that we should spend our gold and silver now to build wealth in farming communities and off-griding homes in rural areas so the food can continue to be produced regardless of whether or when there is any upheavel.  This is the future with Peak Oil looming so let's get on with it.

Incidentally, I call this "true financial planning".  If we had all spent our financial resources trying to become sustainable in the first place rather than investing in the illusion the financial markets turned out to be we wouldn't be in this mess we are now.  No sense lamenting what is obvious now - let's get on with the planning.  Individual and community and nation.

All the best,

James

 

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Oh, so it's Australia!

Oh, so it's Australia! Are guns legal in Australia? If not, better get some sling shots, or better yet a lot of boomerangs.

 

 

G'Day Mate

 

 

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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

Krogoth,

You''ve made some good points about Chris protecting his information.  I like the analogy to Linux where rules govern how to share or modify the information but that the fact that it is available for free must be disclosed (I've been introduced to the concepts behind Ubuntu and Open Office but I've not yet seen this in practice).  Since you have some experience in this area I'd suggest you email Erik directly to give him some concrete steps on what he can do to protect Chris' capital while still allowing him to freely distribute the content on DVD.

Chris is proceeding down a road of social entrepreneurialism which is still an alien concept to many of us.  He's identified himself as a small businessman in his radio interview and I think that is the correct way for him to identify himself in the media (otherwise people will say "social entrepreneur...huh?").  A social entrepreneur is a blend of capitalism and pursuing a social cause.  The book "The Power of Unreasonable People" argues that social entrepreneurialism ranges from a) unsustainable charity work to b) a sustainable business founded to confront a social problem to c) a for-profit enterprise with a social benefit (such as a "green company" traded publicly).  On the other hand Mohammed Yunus in his book "Creating a World Without Poverty" is emphatic that social businesses need to be both sustainable and that they should only pay back capital over time without interest. 

Chris is listening to his intuition which has gotten him to this point and is allowing him to give away the DVD and battling against a for profit business model that he sees in the world around him.  It will probably help with donations if he can clarify how much he would like to recover from his efforts - no question he should recover all direct costs.  Mohammed Yunus doesn't comment on the pay for the social entrepreneur so I can't address this part of the equation.  Obviously four years of sacrifice for himself and his family is an incredible indirect cost.  However if his efforts build a world of sustainability around his family that might not otherwise not exist what value can we attach to this as well?  And I wouldn't underestimate future recognition that will come Chris' way from an incredible store of good Karma.

So the business model might say monetize the DVD - but then again it might not.  If the true value is in the donations and the subscribers then getting the message to the widest possible audience just might be the best business model too.  At the same time I appreciate the importance of setting some ground rules and clear expectations.

All the best,

James

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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

James, we need to become friends, LOL.

OK, I have outlined all of this here for Erik to read, so no need to post an Email to him. Erik is a seasoned professional,  so much that he has not even had to work for the last 10 years. I am sure he has a lot of good plans ready for Chris. I am just offering some of my seasoned professionalism to his ideas as well because most of it needs to be reworked.

Here are some good points to remember-

Apple and Microsoft- Inventors? No thieves and capitalists- Stole original idea for GUI and mouse from PARC. Capitalized on it. Gates bought original PC software (not invented it) for 50k and made TRUCKLOADS of money off IBM, financing Microsoft to where it is today.

You can find quite a large number of instances where people have stolen ideas and profited from them. Good ideas are not invented, they are stolen and capitalized on. Not that anyone is ever going to get rich off of Chris or Erik's work, it still requires protection and some sort of growth plan.

 

 

 

 

 

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Guns in Australia

The only good thing our fascist ex Prime Miniscule ever did was recall millions of guns (well a whacking great heap of them) following a mass shooting in Tasmania.  Now I realise there would be many people who hid their guns and didn't hand then in, BUT the fact is you never see guns here...  I do not know anyone who owns a gun.  Not one!

To own a gun in this country you have to jump through so many hoops, it's unbelievable....  Only the dedicated sports shooter would go to all the trouble... and if I look in the yellow pages, there are only two gunshops within a one hundred mile radius!

So yes I feel safe at night.  We don't lock the house (we don't have anything worth stealing actually..) and we leave the keys in the car's ignition overnight..

Mike. 

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Re: Danger- College students- Major Problems

Thanks Krogoth,

I don't disagree with you.  On the other hand Ubuntu and Open Office are creating a new model that threaten Microsoft.  And through these economic times as we move to sustainability the concept of the Corporation as we know it will be threatened as well.  I have a couple of books on "to purchase" list called "Against Intellectual Monopoly" and "The Gridlock Economy: How Too Much Ownership Wrecks Markets, Stops Innovation, and Costs Lives" where the theme is that wealth can be created in new ways.

I find an acceleration in this line of thinking as I read more books that elevate humanity from adolescence to adulthood.  There will be a place for the Corporation to coexist alongside social entrepreneurism and each have their strengths.

However when we sit back and let others shape the world for us I don't think we can complain that we don't like what we see.  Let's get busy everyone (in the right direction....)

All the best,

James

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

Hello James:

 

Yes, I caught that on inflation. I read what you posted and it is a lot what I and probably a lot of others on this site are going through.

There are mornings when I wake up and contemplate searching out a corner of the globe where I could just live away from the mess that money creates. I, personally have been reading a lot of history from the 20th century. I don't feel that a depression will be our largest problem. If it is, I'll be happy.

One thing I would like to open for opinion is inflation:

 

  •  I agree that the expanding money supply reduces our buying power or claim and that is inflation
  • With one caveat:  if oil (when oil) becomes rare, i.e. supply outstrips production and because of that the price goes up. I say this, or ask others for their in-site on this because oil is in everything we make and use as well as the transportation
 

 

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Re: Coming soon! The Crash Course on DVD!

I have thought about this and have come to the conclusion I will loan the CDs out with the request to return them in a month or, if they want to keep them, give me £3 (I am in the UK) and I will donate it to the cause.

This way there will be no initial refusal to take the CD and look at it, and those that do will almost certainly part woth the money very willingly.

On the whole people do not like parting with money without knowing what they get.

Ampers.

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