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Bunkers 'R' Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s Take on This Movement

Sunday, July 4, 2010, 12:33 AM

The End is Near, Inc.

This is the title of the recent full-spread article in Boston Magazine about me, my work, and our community. It’s due out in hard print on Sunday with the Boston Globe. It is already available online here.

Unfortunately, the article relies too much on sensationalistic stereotypes and includes some troubling distortions.  My chief concern is that the story, told through a very few limited, out-of-context, and edited quotes, paints a picture of Becca and me as doomsayers with a bunker mentality.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

We somewhat reluctantly agreed to have our whole family included in this very public article, opened our home for several days for the effort, and are now wrestling with the impacts that will stem from the fact that our best efforts have now been tagged as “The End is Near, Inc.” - an unfortunate mischaracterization that completely misses what we are really about while implying that we do this for the money. 

And though the editor has agreed to remove it in the online edition, the print edition contains a 100% Photoshopped creation of me in a bunker, instead of the actual photo that was taken of me in my (completely normal, albeit messy) home office.  We did not have a chance to review the content or the images prior to publication, which will never happen again.

Look at what they did with a gray screen shot (before, then after) without ever indicating that they'd do such a thing, let alone seeking my permission:

Yikes.  To be completely clear:  I do not have a bunker, do not know anybody who does, have never advocated that anybody build one, and utterly distance myself from the cultural stereotyping that is implied by the idea of a bunker and all associated imagery.

I can say that I’m disappointed, but I can’t say I’m terribly surprised. The article’s publication has been an important learning experience—it’s reminded me how difficult this story is to tell to the average person.  It’s a challenge to get most people to understand that while change is inevitable, it’s only bad if we fail to adapt on time and on our own terms.

The irony here is that Boston Magazine intended this to be a positive piece on the impact of my message and the large audience that it has resonated with to date.  But in relying on easy “survivalist” stereotypes to frame the story (bunkers, Mad Max references, etc), they’ve succeed in missing the forest for the trees, conveying an image in polar opposition to what we actually stand for.

The work here has been so successful because I strive at every turn to leave my opinions and beliefs out of it, which helpfully clarifies the picture for people.  In allowing belief-based slants about preparation to color this article, Boston Magazine has missed out on the fact that what people really want and need right now is truth and the facts. 

People are worried these days and have legitimate reasons to be.  We need to meet that concern directly and honestly while offering helpful information and guidance for building a positive future.

The most unfortunate thing about this is that Boston Magazine missed out on a really big story.  The movement that’s building around this material is not a fringe thing.  There are millions of people - from across the socioeconomic spectrum - thinking about this and changing their lives because of it.

My goal through this work is not to guide people to build bunkers and isolate themselves, but to invest in their communities, strengthen their resilience, and create a world worth inheriting.  Along the way there are indeed some necessary, steps that I think everybody should undertake as individuals, but only as an insufficient set of first actions along a continuum that moves us from being relatively isolated into connected, resilient communities.  I made this abundantly clear.

I am not a part of a group "devoted to spreading the preparedness doctrine," but a card-carrying member of a movement that seeks to build a national narrative that makes sense and that is sustainable.  We understand that awareness precedes understanding and that both must come before actions.  So, yes, we seek to raise awareness as a first step.  After all, somebody has to.

If you want to help us in changing the tired story that the mainstream media repeatedly chooses to tell about this message, then I’d encourage you to read the article and comment or write to the editor to tell them what this movement is really about.  If you do take the time to send along your thoughts, I would ask that you make them as factual, calm, and collected as possible. 

Best,

Chris Martenson


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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Here's a comment left at the Boston Magazine site by someone (i'm not sure who) that picked up on the attempt to shape impressions:

I'm really surprised by the tone of this article. I know Chris Martenson personally, and I can say that he is a stand up guy, a refreshingly smart, sensible visionary whose wisdom about creating a new economy based on self-sufficiency & community strength is right on--making a lot of the stat quo talk in gov't and beyond sound as if people aren't paying attention, or really thinking clearly. The article's use of certain language--"faith", "doctrine," "fellowship," "preached,"--seems to suggest that Chris has brainwashed his followers in some cult-styled, money-making scheme. Ridiculous!

And pretty offensive to those of us who know Chris well. And describing the brilliant Alejandro as being "under the spell" diminishes and distorts what Chris has done, and who Alejandro is. Montague, for the record, is not a "town full of older folks who kept to themselves," but rather one of many vibrant Western Mass communities that embrace connection and community on a lot of levels. Chris and Becca Martenson have enriched the way we think about the world. Maybe you should have listened a little more closely.

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

I get the feeling that for most people expecting anything other than more of the same would be considered bunker mentaility.

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Congratulations, Chris...your message has been so successful that the media now has to resort to a hatchet job to discredit it.

This is some of the most irresponsible journalism I've seen in a long time...listing children's names and ages, implying buried PM's on your property, and informing everyone that you have all of your guns locked up and would be unable to use them for home defense...

This one-sided article lacks objectivity and is entirely slanted...I would expect better journalism from a Boston paper...

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

 

Geee. A media outlet ignoring the facts, wrenching out of context, distorting the truth, and engaging in smear tactics. What a surprise. Whooda thunk that?

No wonder this country's screwed. I'm headin' for my bunker.Wink

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

I have to believe that after reading the article, people looking for your message will find it. Those that are not ready won't. Two seconds on your site will immediately negate any misconceptions. Publicity is publicity.

One of the greatest truths I have gotten from your site is that the more people who prepare for these changes, the better we will thrive on the other side.

Thanks for taking the hit for the betterment of mankind. 

FWIW, even though I fully understand your horror at the bunker photoshop and would feel equally pissed, it is more of an eye catcher than just a nice looking guy in a red tie. It may be just the ticket to draw that one person to CM who becomes the tipping point.

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Chris,

If it were me I would file a complaint against the writer and feature editor with the editor of the Boston Globe, with copies to the Presidents of the Connecticut and Massachusetts Chapters of the Society of Professional Journalists.

http://www.spj.org/region1.asp

Whether the "treatment" they gave the article was consistent with accuracy is debateable (from their perspective anyway) but to photoshop and deliberately and wilfully distort reality clearly contravenes the Society's code to "Never distort the content of news photos or video."

The way to avoid this issue is to be the writer yourself commenting on our society should you wish, or have the time, to move to this level of visibility.

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

The author's first name is Pagan?!?!  Is that for real?

I love how she ended it with an implication that Martenson readers are paranoid militia types.  Good grief...

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

I hope this terrible experience you've had with the typical MSM mentality does not affect your message or criticism of those at the helm of our wayward ship, the USS Bozo. I do have to say though that the photoshopped picture of you in a bunker is hilarious. I'm not going to waste time reading the article, but it sounds like they made a mockery of you. They should run a follow-up article to publicly apologize.

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This is Outrageous.

Dr. M,

I'm sure you are used to this kind of crap by now, but it infuriates me that you were portrayed in this way. To be brutally honest, had that article been my introduction to you and your work, I would have never visited your site. And what pisses me off the most is that any one of us would have been thrilled to have the personal one-on-one time that this hack got with you. What a waste.

I'm sorry that this post was far from constructive, but I just can't help myself at this point.

All the best to you and your family....Jeff

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Chris, 

You earned others respect and built a community without their permission or vetting; they don't like it when someone builds influence/respect without going through them.

They are increasingly losing their status as the gatekeepers on [mis|dis]information dissemination to the public.  And they know it.  They are dying the death of 1,000 cuts.

Instead they talk about how bloggers should be regulated like they are.  Fail.  They should be arguing to be unregulated like bloggers.  Cue the Internet Freedom Act.

Translation: You're doing it right.  Take heart.  Given the quality of community you have built here, most (if not all) see right through mainstream media's refusal to break through the 12 years of the Skinner box, er, I mean public education. Cool

You won my support.  And I'm not easily won over.

Cheers.

 

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Too funny! I like the bunker rendition, Chris... and come on - the grey screen shot included a chicken. Did they 'shop that it, too?

Roll with it, man - and register that domain name they gave you, if you can!

B

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Unfortunately, this is sort of what I was expecting when the call came out to participate.   The Globe is owned by the NYT's, which is one of the major media outlets of the organization that shall not be named.  Maybe this will open some more peoples eyes on THIS SITE to the truth.  In other words, maybe some good will come out of it......you and your family deserve it.

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Interesting MSM spin-

The US spends 12 TRILLION dollars on gas/oil (we all hear that sucking sound of money leaving our pockets) and now because of our addiiction to it - some gulf state's coasts are environmental disasters. . . and they make Chris out to be a doomer?

If it wasn't so idiotic it would be Laughable.

EndGamePlayer

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Chris,

I'm terribly sorry that you and Becca were presented that way. I will certainly write a letter in to try to counter their presentation.

Best regards to you and your family.

 

SG

 

 

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Reprehensible.  Irresponsible.  Unethical.  

Now that I've given my opinion of BP, I'll say that this is disappointing and I'd be mad as hell if I was you (or Becca/kids).  And as you imply, I'd be forewarned/forearmed the next time somebody called wanting to do a big interview.  And there will be more interviews, as your message will continue IMO to catch fire as the bowling ball continues to crash down the figurative steps.

(Off to comment on B-Mag's website...)

Viva anyway -- Sager

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Join forces with zeitgeist and laitman

Chris you have to join forces with people of zeitgeist and Laitman. You're very good showing the problem but dont have a solid solution.  The people need hope.

With them are making their zeitgeist venus project which gives them a very positive and uplifting light. http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/

Laitman works but the foundation of the problem, fix relationships, be to the benefit of itself to the benefit of todos. http://laitman.com/

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Welcome to hardball politics.  You have a message that is dangerous to the debt brokers: therefore you must be ridiculed, misquoted, and trivialized.  It's the usuall modus operandi.  Just move on and stay on message.  Don't get sidetracked into responding or trying to set the editors straight.  They have no interest in the truth, and you will waste valuable time and resources in trying to correct the article(in which case they win because fewer people will get your message..

Sorry  (mc)Chris(tal)  I couldn't resist the Pun.

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

It is very apparent that the author did NOT watch the Crash Course. Community Building, Optimistic About Our Future, and the Next 20 Years Won't Be Like The Past 20 is NOT a bunker mentality.

Advocating that people be prepared for the future, a future that will be different is NOT a bunker mentality.

Investing in gold at 300 when is up 400% today as opposed to this and this is NOT a bunker mentality.

Fiat Currencies heading to 0

stupidity crisis

Without tossing around the moron word, I'm at a total loss of words.

The absolute irony is I got the link to the Crash Course from a billionaire who was Buffett's original 6 figure investor and college friend. I was hesitant to click on it because it lead me to a blog, not some mainstream news media site. Then the next email on this mailing chain was from the ex-Governor of a mid-western state who gave the resource chapters of the CC high marks.

Ever since then I've weeded my RSS reader to 3 mainstream sites and blogs to 23.

This article is proof of why the media is failing financially. This reporter not only didn't do his readers any service he did them an absolute disservice.

Who is the lunatic? Someone who preserved his wealth or some moron who listens to morons and thinks the morons who created this mess are telling the truth, capable of fixing or even know which end is up when the predict the future of our economy?

Reporting like this makes it even more evident why most people got their clocks cleaned in 08 and so many more will get them totally flushed in 10-11. 

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

George here, the guy mentioned in the article that works at the Nuke Plant..........

I talked with Pagan for over 45 minutes, and find it funny that she wrote what she did:

One recent Crash Course convert, George Hults, works in the control room at the Pilgrim Nuclear Station in Plymouth. Last August, a general unease sent him roving around the Internet, where he discovered Martenson. Hults should have felt protected from economic Armageddon: When you're the guy who stops nuclear meltdowns, you can be sure of a steady paycheck. Yet once he immersed himself in Martensonia, he began to worry. Hults would walk into a supermarket and marvel at the rotisserie chickens, trying to imagine how much oil it took to make that piece of food so absurdly convenient. "I don't see products anymore," he says. "I see oil." Studying his own house, Hults thought, "What if oil goes away? Do I have backup systems?" He is now in the process of installing a solar hot-water heater, a gas fireplace, and a wood stove. He has started to grow vegetables.

"Convert"? - Nope

"General Unease"? - Nope (try math and logic)

So I shouldn't worry because I currently have a job? - Sorry, no can do!

"Immersed himself in Martensonia" now THAT'S funny!!!

Sees oil when I look at a rotisserie chicken? - You're darn right!!

Solar hot water? - installed and lovin' it!

Gas fireplace, wood stove, and garden? - On the list!

Besides making us look like non-thinking worshipping followers, if it gets more people to the site, it was a good thing. As Chris has pointed out, people will go to the opposite end of the spectrum to avoid ANY changes, no matter how small. As soon as I talk to anyone about our unsustainable lifestyles, the first reaction is usually "what am I supposed to do? move to Montana, buy a cabin, and stock it with guns, beans, (or whatever).

Even after the recent  water pipe break in Boston, and the more recent water contamination on the Cape in Falmouth, it's almost impossible to get people to even invest in a Berkey water purifier.

For her to be right in her non-preparedness, we have to be wrong by getting prepared. If they think I'm a kook, they'll have to get in line behind friends, family and co-workers who have been thinking that for months.

 

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

This article will bring a ton of people to the website. I found it mostly accurate if somewhat sensational. It is quite true that this site is about the next twenty years being very different and the need to prepare. It is necessary to write this way in mass market publications to hold the readers attention. How many people even read anymore?

If you or anyone else wants control of the message then you have to put it out yourself. If you want control over what goes out in print in the mainstream press you have to have an ironclad contract giving final approval over what is published.

As for the gun thing. I personally have sent people here to the site who were put off by the Definitive Firearms thread. It does give the site a survivalist persona.

Finally  if it were me I would be ecstatic. Lots of publicity and they spelled the names right. One can argue the merits of good or bad publicity all day long but it is really hard to tell the final results from here.

Pandoras box has been opened.

V

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

I know no one wants to hear this but here goes:

Three kinds of people will read this article:  

1.  Too uninformed and disinterested to care.  They can't be bothered to watch TCC and cannot be helped.  Their biases will be confirmed and they will continue in their cluelessness.  

2.  Us and those like us.

3.  Those people who are both salvageable and intellectually curious enough to go to the site and watch TCC.  30 seconds into Chapter 1, they will start to comprehend the truth and we will have added one to our ranks.  

I see any reasonable exposure to ideas in TCC as an improvement at this point.  When TSHTF, they will all come around.  Keep up the good work, and remember that our future is far bigger than this article.  

Living through Hurricane Alex in South Texas today.  Eye wall about 100 miles south of my house.  Not at all worried about someone else's opinion of my preparations for an uncertain future.  I am glad, and I wish I had a bunker. . .  

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Chris,

We now have a very real and factual example of how MSM functions to neutralize those who sincerely work to make the world a better place. We don't have to present any belief based theories on how distortions of the truth are created by what seem to be credible and straight forward reporting by established publishing entities.We shall know them by their actions!

Now we have the facts. I suspect there is a way to use this information to expose the truth of our predicament which in this case would be "fuzzy publishing";  beware of what you read!We may even need to publish a "Guide to THE METHODS USED BY MSM TO ALTER THE TRUTH".

It is always interesting to me how those who choose to misrepresent the truth (in other words...commit harmful acts) also leave a clue as to their own true motivations. In this case they have accused you of doing what they themselves are in fact doing;  sensationalizing a story by altering the facts to sell more copy.

Lesson well learned I am sure. As angry as I ( and most of the rest of those that visit your website) become over the blatant distortions of truth, we must also carry on with actions that are constructive. So I have not posted what I actually said or felt when I read the article........I'm just adding another bit of hard won knowledge to my  files and sharpening my sword so to speak!

I will write a comment to the editor of that piece........after I am much less irritated that now!

Coop

 

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

It would appear you have been "Rollingstoned".....a lot of that going around lately. MSM likes to be fashionably progressive. 

Keep up the excellent work.

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

I know no one wants to hear this but here goes:

Three kinds of people will read this article:  

1.  Too uninformed and disinterested to care.  They can't be bothered to watch TCC and cannot be helped.  Their biases will be confirmed and they will continue in their cluelessness.  

2.  Us and those like us.

3.  Those people who are both salvageable and intellectually curious enough to go to the site and watch TCC.  30 seconds into Chapter 1, they will start to comprehend the truth and we will have added one to our ranks.  

I see any reasonable exposure to ideas in TCC as an improvement at this point.  When TSHTF, they will all come around.  Keep up the good work, and remember that our future is far bigger than this article.  

Living through Hurricane Alex in South Texas today.  Eye wall about 100 miles south of my house.  Not at all worried about someone else's opinion of my preparations for an uncertain future.  I am glad, and I wish I had a bunker. . .  

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

When I watched TCC and read the material posted here, it instantly became the first blog I read every day PRECISELY because it is NOT the extreme view but a caring, nurturing, hopeful - yet realistic view of things. I do not believe the article will do Chris any real long term harm. There is some truth to "there is no such thing as bad PR". This could get a lot of attention and interest from people who will come to the site and judge for themselves. Stay the course, Martinson!!!!

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Dr. Martenson,

I've just got to throw this out there - I sincerely apologize for any disrepute I cost this website by creating DFT.
I was so red in the face I couldn't think reading the "finishing touch" of that article. Someone might as well just told me I left the burner on and burnt someone's house down.

This kind of myopic, counter-contextual slander is pretty shallow. Anyone limber minded enough to consider the implications of a social collapse should be responsible enough to consider self-defense.

*Terribly* sorry for drawing you negative attention...

Aaron

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Chris

I am shocked.  I do not recommend sueing this magazine - only because it is a pointless drain on your energy and time.  But I don't understand how they could publish it thinking they couldn't be sued ?

I have put up my comment on the Boston Magazine site under the article.  I notice the number of sad faces who don't like it, is growing very fast.  Which is one nice thing. 

I encourage everyone on this site to comment on Boston Magazine's CM article - noting that Chris's request is that if we do, we do it in a calm, factual and collected manner.

On the bright side, any publicity is good publicity.  At least according to the politicians.

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Chris:

I've noticed some people expressing regret over allowing themselves to be profiled by mainstream media or documentary filmmakers. They always seem to be sympathetic and want to do a "positive" story.

Then when the stuff hits the presses or cinemas, they realize what had happened. The reporters and filmmakers were only being nice to keep them off guard and gather all the information they needed to fit their own agenda, which often isn't that of the people being profiled or interviewed.

Hopefully more people will see through the media's bull than not.

Poet

 

 

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Hey Aaron,

Don't beat yourself up. The writer cherry-picked the site searching for a thread like DFT. The DFT info will continue to help numeroso folks;the sheeple will forget the Sunday Globe a day later, except for those that come here and stick.

SG

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

These people have no soul.

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Chris

Try not to take it personally, even though it is personal.  I think V (post 20) is on the right track.  Most people understand how the media sensationalizes things.  If they are receptive to your message they will see through the cheap tricks and come to this site to learn more.  Many will stay.  Just remember the old saying, “All publicity is good.”

There was a lot of good information in between the hype and they did recognize your sincerity.  “Yet Martenson seems driven solely by an urgent desire to share his ideas. His core message is still available at no charge. “  I would advise you to be more discrete on guns, gold storage, and anything a reporter can sensationalize.  You can see why public figures become experts at talking without saying anything after they have had this experience a few times. 

The article was badly slanted, but think long and hard before responding further to Boston Magazine.  There is an old saying , “Never get into a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel.”  They will just make you look bad.  You have plenty of people who are happy to fight them on your behalf.  This is the price the media charges for the exposure they deliver.  I admire your dedication and the courage your family has displayed to expose yourselves this way in order to get the message out.

However, the photo-shopped bunker was over the top.  I would pursue that.  Too bad they didn’t add a pitchfork to the photo of you and Becca (a la American Gothic painting) and use that. J

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My comment to Boston Mag

First, kudos to the other commenters at Boston Mag who are familiar with Chris and the Crash Course.  The comments have plainly been unhappy with the article but have made the criticism known without resorting to the kind of ranting that so often characterizes online communications.

Here's the comment I left:

This article bears little resemblance to the man and the subject that it was supposedly written to cover. I read it, and then I read it again. The Crash Course is not about doom. Chris Martenson is not about doom. Martenson and his Crash Course are, at the most basic, about one thing and that thing is educating people on the three E's (energy, economy and environment) so that they might have a better understanding of how this system in which we live actually works and what may (just may) happen to it if we don't wake up and take steps far enough in advance to prepare for changes in the availability of finite resources. Is there even a link to the Crash Course in this article? There should be. And people that want to understand what Martenson is about should start there. I recommend the course highly.

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Re: Bunkers ‘R Not Us: Correcting Boston Magazine’s ...

Well Chris, as they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

I wish you the best in getting through this as you have been of great import to me and mine.

Some folks are just plain foolish, "and there ain't nothin you can do bout that".

Although I'd wager you've learned a thing or two over this. Hang in there....

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Amanda V wrote:

These people have no soul.

No clue either. 

How many people think she watched the Crash Course?

I seriously doubt she did.

"I'm optimistic about the future" + "The next 20 years won't be like the last 20" ≠ ≠ ≠ ≠ ≠ ≠ ≠ ≠  (NOT EQUAL) Some Bunker Mentality. 

Guns, chickens, gardens, gold are all things the average person isn't acclimated to, has no exposure to. However, if they have any clue whatsoever as to the inner workings of the "economy" those things wouldn't appear "bunkerish". Either she didn't watch the Crash Course or she is the first 'flunkee' of the Crash Course. 

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Aaron Moyer wrote:

Dr. Martenson,

I've just got to throw this out there - I sincerely apologize for any disrepute I cost this website by creating DFT.
I was so red in the face I couldn't think reading the "finishing touch" of that article. Someone might as well just told me I left the burner on and burnt someone's house down.

This kind of myopic, counter-contextual slander is pretty shallow. Anyone limber minded enough to consider the implications of a social collapse should be responsible enough to consider self-defense.

*Terribly* sorry for drawing you negative attention...

Aaron

First, thank you all for your thoughtful and caring responses above and at the BM site.

Second, Aaron, I appreciate your concern, and, truthfully, I would have felt the same as you, because we are built the same, and it's totally unnecessary.  I am the one who makes the decisions for what topics remain "front and center" and which do not, and although I solicit a lot of opinions and ideas from others about what to include and exclude, it turns out that I am responsible for the inclusion and exclusion of topics and no one else.

So let me soften all this somewhat.  Pagan, the author, left out a very important set of details about the shooting experience.  The way it unfolded is that during our conversations about everything else, she let slip (hint, hint, HINT) that on a past story assignment regarding gay activists who had decided to arm themselves to protect themselves from hate crimes, she had been offered a chance to go to the range with these fellows.  Sadly, it fell through and she'd love to go shooting (hint, HINT!) seeing as how this past chance had fallen through.  As a liberal from New England, the chance to go to the range does not come along that often, I guess. 

At any rate, a special date was set up for her to come back and go to the range with me; could she bring a local friend?  

Fortunately, I now understand, I happen to be extremely safety-conscious in my approach.  As it happens, my middle name is "captainsafety," and I pressed her and her local guest (another woman) on many, many issues before we fired a single round.  I say 'fortunately' because I suspect that she checked the MA state laws after our session, and if I had been in violation of any of them, I see that she would have written about it and done what she could to get me in trouble. 

Some background:  We did not drive down a dusty lane overhanging with branches scratching the car before we got to a wasteland of sand, or whatever was written; I forget the exact inaccuracies scribed.  We went through a fob-key-controlled automatic gate guarding the entrance to my gun club before heading down a 200 yard road (yes, gravel) to a set of shooting pavillions, each with their own metal-roofed bench areas and appropriately scaled berms.

We started with Walther P22s, which each woman shot for a few clips, as did I.  I then asked if either would like to shoot a 9mm, again at 15 feet.  Pagan said yes(!).  Executing some nice incipient skill, she happened to drill her second shot though the center.  Kudos for that.

What happened next, I have told around the campfire 3x since then because it is so funny.  This liberal NE woman, who had never shot a pistol before, and who had been schooled by me extensively on barrel and trigger finger awareness, etc, and whom I was standing right next to with my hands at the loose and ready (because I do not trust brand new shooters at all), commenced to hooting and hollering and - I kid you not - DANCING with her finger on the trigger of a pistol now precariously waving about in the air. 

In all my years of teaching people how to shoot (20 years and counting), I have only ever made a move for and grabbed a gun from a student twice in my life.  This was one of those times.  She was elated by the experience and was visibly excited, so I did not tell her that I had only ever grabbed a gun twice out of fear, because I did not want to intrude on her excitement.  Her elation was so palpable during the whole ride back that 20 minutes later at home that my wife noted it and asked why she was so animated.  "I hit the center!!!" was the answer from the still-excited journalist.

To have that somehow converted into what you read in the article is, I confess, one of the more profound betrayals of an experience in my life that I can readily recall - not because of how she pulled a single worried concern out of 2,000 comments and somehow tried to make me responsible for it (dumb, shallow, indefensible) - but because I took the time to give her a safe, quality, and exciting moment in her life and she still manged to used it to try and smear you, me, and everybody else. 

Somehow that' s worse. 

When somebody takes the time, and effort, to share what they know, and care enough to educate you, using your positive and exciting experience to tar them seems especially tasteless in my world.  I will acknowledge that perhaps I take all this too seriously, but in my world when someone cares enough to teach me something, I am grateful, always thankful, and certainly never intentionally harmful.  But that, perhaps, is a characteristic that separates the various types.

So rest easy.  "No good deed goes unpunished" is the lesson sometimes, but we can only do our best . 

I hope these comments persist in the etherspace and that the next guy that Pagan Kennedy tries to con into providing her with an honest and helpful experience will manage to find this thread and realize that the best course of action is to just play dumb, pretend they have nothing to offer, and know that they've just saved themselves an extremely valuable afternoon and very probably some future heartburn.

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geoman076 wrote:

Hults would walk into a supermarket and marvel at the rotisserie chickens, trying to imagine how much oil it took to make that piece of food so absurdly convenient. "I don't see products anymore," he says. "I see oil."

Guffaw!!!   I thought I was the only one that did that! 

I feel so....... normal, now. 

Thanks for that George.

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Well, I placed my name where the title to the comments should be. LOL

This is Pete. I wrote that the article had to be a hit piece. What I want to know is, Why? 

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Next time Doc, no interviews with the National Enquirer. (Captain Sheeple is available)

Best....Jeff

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Dear Sir or Madam:

After reading the article on Chris Martenson's Crash Course I have come to the conclusion that one of two things caused this most inaccurate and irresponsible piece of journalism to be published. First, you, the editors did not perform due diligence in verifying the story that Pagan presented to you, or.. you intentionally approved a dishonest, distorted, sensationalist article for publication to boost sales for your magazine.

As you (should) know, credibility is the only thing you have as (so-called) journalists in terms of marketability. Having been a member of Chris Martenson's website for 18 months, and seen the gross distortion that you have painted of him, I can only wonder what other distortions you set to print for whatever motive it seems suits your fancy.

However, the damage is done, and you have both distorted and assailed the character and credibility of a good man, who's altruistic intentions are his only crime (in your eyes). To help bring about greater awareness of the utterly fraudulent journalism perpetrated by Boston Magazine, I have sent emails to family and friends linking them to the article and Chris' website asking them to perform a sanity check as to the veracity of the article. Furthermore, I make claim to them that your article is a clear case of "the hand in the cookie jar"with respect to journalistic dishonesty and ask them to make the comparison for themselves and reach their own conclusions  I believe that this will show them firsthand an example of how journalism can be used to distort real events, real ideas, and real people into something other than they are. Well, at least at Boston Magazine.

In short, I challenge them to make a case study out of if, and if satisfied and in agreement with my claim, to send it to 10-20 of their friends to bring greater awareness of mainstream media malfeasance. Although I am disgusted with your tactics, some good should come out of this. If I can demonstrate to people a good reason to neither trust, nor financially support mainstream publications such as yours, then it will be worth the effort.I will merely ask them to judge for themselves.

Clearly you have given me a great incentive to do so. You will not clear Chris' name, so the efforts of many will have to.

P.S. I am bringing this article to the attention of the editors of other blogs who are sympathetic to Chris' cause as well as several media watchdog groups. I'm sure that they'll have a field day with it. I am also asking friends to do the same. You have a great power at your disposal. But it is a power than you have abused, and in doing so committed both journalistic fraud and betrayed the public trust. Thankfully, there now exists an alternative to mainstream media that can and will cast sunshine on your tactics and provide feedback to the public so that they may see the truth of this situation.

See, I am exercising MY first amendment rights. I am just asking them to see for themselves and to reach their own conclusions. Now that's good journalism. 

Regards,

Pete Bartels

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Jeremy Grantham recommended Chris Martenson in his GMO Grantham July 09 LINK

I sincerely think this article was a drive by in the sense that she never watched the Crash Course. People of Grantham's caliber recommend it. That tells anyone with an IQ this isn't bunker crap.

Reading and Listening List

Hardin, Garrett. Living within Limits: Ecology, Economics, and Population Taboos, Oxford University Press, 1993. Bartlett, Albert A. The Most Important Video You’ll Ever See,

Arithmetic, Population, and Energy

. 2009 <http://www.youtube.com>.Martenson, Chris.

The Crash Course

. 2009 <http://www.peakprosperity.com>.

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It's advocacy journalism: they teach young journalists that they can make a better world by twisting stories to push for changes in society. Perhaps the young lady who interviewed you had lovely motives and thought you and your "followers" were deluded. No matter, since old-style journalism seems to be dying from a lack of actual reporting leading ot a lack of actual readers.

The cream always rises to the top, Chris. That's why you're there.

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JAG wrote:

Next time Doc, no interviews with the National Enquirer. (Captain Sheeple is available)

Best....Jeff

SurprisedSealedLaughingLaughing

That's the funniest thing yet!!  Thank you for the kind-hearted and best laugh I had today....all in good fun of course!

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Davos/All,

that Jeremy Grantham investment article and his mention of the Crash Course in his footnote was how i found this website and the eye opening and perspective changing facts and information contained. Glad you mention that. Grantham is enormously intelligent and insightful in my mind and it is a big vote of confidence. Too bad he never really followed up on the issues in his subsequent writings, but perhaps next letter he will.

Although everyone may be annoyed by the distortions and the goofy paranoid tilt she put on this article, i honestly believe many will read this, and come to the site, and watch the Crash Course as a result of it. The Crash Course is strong enough that it stands on it's own and the creditibility and factual nature of the Crash Course will help many like me who stumbled on the site for a random reason. I'd say by lesson 4 or 5 much of the bias implanted by the article will be gone as information takes over - at least for those who's mind are open to information.

Though annoying for not capturing the message very well, i think the article will in the end bring many to the site, and allow the Crash Course to help them change their lives, understand world events better, and prepare for the future in a more effective way.

Just trying to emphasize the time Chris spent with them was not wasted - it will in the end help some folks.

Doug

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Hum, it appears that the church choir has their feathers ruffled.

If I understand Chris' desire and mission it is to educate anybody that wants to hear. This article will do just that. The agenda on this forum seems to implicitly suggest that the message needs to "get out there" in a specific manner, in this case it did not meet your criteria but it is getting out there. Frankly, (as if I wasn't already) the number of people who will hear will be about the same regardless of the intent of this piece. Only those with the personal integrity to think independently will "hear" and they already think for themselves and will consequently either dismiss or check the data.

Nothing has been lost here. In fact controversy is often good. Look at Palin, she has nothing and NO reason to be in the media but she masterfully exploits every bit of controversy she can. I'm not suggesting that you (Chris) emulate Palin, that hurts my head even thinking about it. But that this presents an excellent opportunity to be the anti-Chris if people ask or when you are speaking. Disappointingly, most people like the drama and controversy so by embracing it and even referring to it more people will look and have to decide for themselves.

Sorry if I offended anybody, but the story is history - now run with it.

Ross

 

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It seems to me that the bunker mentality stereotype is the reaction from almost everyone when I talk about self reliance and concern about the future.  It doesnt surprise me that the article would swing towards that point of view as that is what I most often get from friends, family and co-workers that I speak with about the 3Es.  I am creating hope for a new way of life, but they see a person who is trying to live in a way that they dont understand or necessarily respect.

The information in the crash course appears so logical if a persons belief system is open to receiving it.  If not, then all the evidence in the world will only make it appear to be some kind of a cult or misguided belief system (with Chris at its helm). That idea seems to be implied in the Boton Mag article.

Hundreds of years of prosperity is a hard track record to begin to have doubts about.   This is the reason why we still do things the way that we do ... this has created our 'sucess', and 'we' will continue to follow that path .. until a new vision takes its place.

The CM 'story' is competing with all the other belief systems out there attempting to explain why things are the way they are and what we should do about it.  Our 'story' may not be the one  that is ultimately chosen by our country to explain why things are the way they are whether it is correct or not.

Time will tell.

 

 

 

 

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dgilmart wrote:

Davos/All,

that Jeremy Grantham investment article and his mention of the Crash Course in his footnote was how i found this website and the eye opening and perspective changing facts and information contained. Glad you mention that. Grantham is enormously intelligent and insightful in my mind and it is a big vote of confidence. Too bad he never really followed up on the issues in his subsequent writings, but perhaps next letter he will.

Although everyone may be annoyed by the distortions and the goofy paranoid tilt she put on this article, i honestly believe many will read this, and come to the site, and watch the Crash Course as a result of it. The Crash Course is strong enough that it stands on it's own and the creditibility and factual nature of the Crash Course will help many like me who stumbled on the site for a random reason. I'd say by lesson 4 or 5 much of the bias implanted by the article will be gone as information takes over - at least for those who's mind are open to information.

Though annoying for not capturing the message very well, i think the article will in the end bring many to the site, and allow the Crash Course to help them change their lives, understand world events better, and prepare for the future in a more effective way.

Just trying to emphasize the time Chris spent with them was not wasted - it will in the end help some folks.

Doug

Doug I came here several years ago by way of another Jeremy Graham caliber investor. I can not tell you how upsetting it is to see some moron do a drive by media hit on this community or Chris. 

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Disappointing experience to say the least. This reporter sounds rather immature & seems like she would be a good writer for the National Enquirer or a cheap Detective magazine. Let’s face it how many people can we talk to about being self sufficient & they think you have gone over the edge?

I really like firearms, collecting them & working on them. The machining & work that goes into them is a form of art too me.  The fact that they make a decent investment over funny little pieces of paper helps make even more sense to own them. Yet the media has brainwashed the feeble & mindless that these are for crazy radicals that like to live in bunkers LOL. You cannot win with ignorance.

Our local newspaper requested an interview with me on a local issue which I agreed to. The paper already had their slanted view on the subject which I knew they were looking to twist if I wasn’t very careful. When the reporter arrived at my house I let her know that I had other family from out of state that were coming in & they wanted to see the interview also….so I would be taping this for them which she agreed to.

She just took notes &asked questions. The article never came out because they did not feel comfortable enough to twist it into what they were looking for. I would recommend documenting these type of events to help keep people straight & make them think.

You just have to let these people live in their virtual little world where they push their little buttons & somehow it all works. When their button breaks lookout below & hope they don’t land in my real world.

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Chris,

I just read it and although I agree with all that was said regarding the disappointing aspects of the article. I don't think that it is all for nothing. I agree with those that believe those who read it and want to HEAR the message, WILL. It's not all bad that's for sure.  Your CD was originally given to me by a wealth manager in NYC who is ultra wealthy himself and he surely doesn't think CM.com is fringe. I know it has changed my life and I'm an educated medical professional living in the REAL world. Thank you and your wife for putting yourselves out there.

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Look at the bright side, Chris. You have all these amazing people who just stood up for you and your work on the Boston Magazine website. There is not one comment there (so far) that is approving of the article. How lucky you are to have such avid fans who have gained so much by your work. I also posted a comment on the article and on their Facebook page. I am not a "follower" so much as someone who thinks your course is terrific.

Focus on the positives...not everyone will have so many people stick up for them when bad journalism hits the newsstands. You are blessed!

 

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Aaron-

   You are not responsible for the author of the article's distortion of your thread, and inability (or lack of attempt) to understand the context in which we see it.

   If I am flying in a plane, hit gut-wrenching turbulence, and the engine lights are flashing red, am I a fear-monger to make sure a parachute is nearby?  No!  Anyone limber-minded enough to consider the implications of a plane crash (or a potential societal collapse) is being responsible to consider self-preservation!  

   What the author of the article failed to grasp is that Chris is more like the person trying to guide that plane towards a safe landing place.  But risk management (and common sense) says that we, the passengers, would be fools not to have a "parachute" ready, just in case!!  Chris is a great navigator, but the plane we're flying in is in bad shape, and the conditions are nasty! 

 

   Chin up, Aaron; I, and many other people here, value your contributions!

 

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