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Our emotions are manipulated by persuasion & propaganda
Friday, November 18, 2016, 8:20 PM

The explosion of emotions triggered by the recent presidential election caught many off guard. Across the country, friendships have been lost, family members estranged, and hostility has boiled over in many communities.

In our consumer culture we're sold lots of things. Two weeks ago it might have been jeans and a TV, but last week it was fear. And Loathing. People were sold fear and loathing, and now it is ruining friendships, making people miserable, and driving the country apart.

I’m not going to spend a lot of time on the “why” of this story. The “why” is a mix of competing interests including simple commerce (fear sells), political gain, and creating divisiveness within the population for other purposes.  

So, what’s going on?

Sadly, in many cases, I think people have simply been manipulated in traumatic fashion and we're now dealing with the emotional and social repercussions. 

What do I mean by that?

In response to another comment on this site from a teacher whose students were expressing severe emotional distress over the Trump win, contributor Dave Fairtex offered these insights (emphasis mine):

(…)   His students' reaction is NOT about losing an election.  It's because these people watch media, and the (Clinton-controlled) media spent the last four months working overtime to program everyone in the country that Trump is a soulless monster come to eat them and their families, roasting their babies on a spit while laughing, and so on.

This emotional programming has been extremely effective.  That's why people are rioting now.  Not because they aren't good losers, but because they've been successfully emotionally programmed by the Clinton Campaign's media arm (CNN, CNBC, and millions of scary social media posts), who are very good at what they do.

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Emotional programming… This is something that we need to discuss because it is very real. It is happening right now and will continue to bombard us. And humans are highly susceptible to it.

Not because they're weak; but because they're unaware of it.  If you aren't aware of the tricks and devices used to persuade, lead, and sometime mislead your emotions and actions, then you cannot protect yourself from these efforts.

The Peak Prosperity Value Proposition

Before we dive into the topic of persuasion, subliminal nudging, and emotional manipulation I want to review the value proposition here at PeakProsperity.com.

Why do so many people read our articles? Why do a number of them subscribe to premium content and Insider reports? Because they find value in them.  We’ve heard it said, many times, that our readers value our work Because it makes them feel smarter.

Of course, we don't think we're actually making these folks any more intelligent than they already are. However, we do strive to engage their minds in ways that challenge and expand their perspective.

What we do is provide additional context that will (1) help you see the world in a new and expanded way that will (2) lead you to make different decisions in the future.  After all, "smarter" is no good if it doesn’t lead you to be more connected to and alive within the world.

The more context you have, the more intelligent you become.

Knowledge is a bunch of facts. Someone who can list every national capitol through all of history has a lot of knowledge.  But possessing a lot of knowledge is not the same thing as being intelligent.

Intelligence comes from connecting ideas and having the context, or framework, into which one can plug one’s accumulated knowledge.

A favorite Leonardo Da Vinci quote of mine is:

“Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else”

With this view ‘intelligent’ is not something you are; it is something you become

Let me also say, right up front, that I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. I will lay out a series of dots that I hope might sway your thinking, because they swayed mine.  If you don’t agree with me, that’s fine. But you should have a solid argument for why. 

Your mental landscape is certainly different from mine. Quite possibly so entirely different that what persuades me has zero impact on you, or even may solidify an entirely opposite view you hold. We can be intelligent in entirely different ways, which means that diversity of thinking and experience is what really matters. 

This distinction is pretty much lost on a lot of people at present. And that’s creating a lot of resentment in our society right now.

The Persuasion Continuum

There’s nothing inherently bad with being persuasive. In fact, it’s a great talent to have.

While it’s too much to go into here, the art of persuasion that we preach involves being calm, centered and collected.  Have your facts at the ready, be free of any emotional charges (such as anger or depression), and approach your audience gently, always ready to back away if you see signs that they're not emotionally ready to listen to you now. Plant seeds in these cases. Be patient.

Pressing or cajoling doesn't change someone's opinion. Nobody has ever been persuaded by being bullied. Or insulted. Or belittled. Or shamed. Or shouted down. They may retreat from the argument, but they're not swayed.

People will listen to hear a new line of thinking when they're ready, and not a moment sooner.  Well, as long as you're playing fair and coming through the front door, that is.  People can also be forced to accept a new position (before they are ready) if you play unfair.

This can be done by using the back doors to the human psyche, which such techniques as Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP), hypnosis, mirroring, and subliminal advertising make use of.

Furthermore, when humans are traumatized, their front and their back doors are ripped open. In this state, people are open to all kinds of manipulation and implanted suggestions. Trauma programming gives us the Stockholm Syndrome -- where a kidnapping or hostage victim develops feelings of trust or affection towards their captor(s) -- as well as buys years, decades and sometimes a lifetime of silence from sexual assault victims.

Here’s a straightforward diagram for the visually minded folks (like me) out there:

Before we get to harder material around the sort of propaganda and emotional manipulation that has accompanied this election cycle, let’s spend some time on the relatively safe and agreed-upon territory of manipulation in traditional sales and marketing campaigns.

Manipulative Marketing & Subliminal Advertising

If you haven’t noticed, performing a Google search for something like ‘best kiddie swim pools’ will usually cause you to later notice that ads for kids' swim wear begin showing up on your favorite news sites.

This is old news, and creepy as it is, it’s quite effective. If it didn’t work, it wouldn't be used. It’s used because it works great, and it’s getting more sophisticated all the time as the algorithms become better and better at figuring out how to understand someone well enough to divine their shopping preferences.

But all of that is pretty straightforward and overt, at for those paying even mild attention.  Most of us know by now that the ads that show up on the internet sites we visit are anything but random. They're meant for us based on our recent on-line searches and behavior.

Subliminal advertising is far more covert than simple ad placement as it is designed to operate sub-liminally meaning 'beneath your conscious awareness'.  This is different from operating on the un-conscious level because, generally speaking, you cannot access your unconscious mind. But you can elevate a subliminal message into your conscious frame.

Subliminal things are often right there in front of you, but they're not really noticed unless your attention is drawn to them for other reasons.

There’s a whole subculture of people who like to discover and expose the subliminal messages that are used every day to try and influence people’s purchasing habits. Most often subliminal messages revolve around sex.

Why? Because evoking a connection to sex has proven to be extremely effective at motivating people to action, specifically towards buying your product. Again: it’s used because it works.

If you want to amuse yourself, Google "subliminal advertising" and scroll through the image results.

Here are a few examples to give you an idea of the trove of examples that your search will find:

And so on.  Some of the examples I dared not reproduce for fear of offending folks, as they were so sexually graphic.  But for those interested, there’s a big world of subliminal advertising to explore...

The point of subliminal advertising is to link a mass product to consumer’s unconscious desires. While used extensively by corporations to move their products, the initial logic that underlies subliminal advertising, and even advertising more generally, was based on the works of Sigmund Freud and developed into a workable framework for social control and programming by his nephew Edward Bernays.

Here’s a fascinating documentary on how all this came to be (~ 1 hour):

Which brings us to propaganda.

Propaganda

When I write “propaganda” many people will reflexively think of the crude cartoons of WW II that depicted various fascist leaders of enemy countries as evil caricatures.

But such propaganda is alive and well today as I recently outlined in a piece on the propaganda efforts currently in use against Putin by the western media.

Once one knows what to look for, the efforts are really not at all difficult to spot. And once elevated to the conscious mind, they lose nearly all of their effectiveness. 

What’s important to realize is that the science of propaganda was born a long time ago, and it has not remained fossilized ever since.  It's been evolving along with our increasingly sophisticated understanding of the brain and its functions and wiring.

Here’s what the grandfather of propaganda, Freud's nephew Edward Bernays, wrote in chapter 1 of his book Propaganda back in 1928:

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The true ruling powers of any country are those who most successfully manipulate the “organized habits and opinions of the masses” as Bernays says.  Once you understand the rules for rulers, you know that they can do nothing without keeping those who hold the keys to power on their side.  And they in turn can do nothing without the consent and agreement of those below them. And propaganda plays a critical role in securing and maintaining that loyalty and consent.

While generally not talked about in polite company, the art and science of social control has been faithfully advanced and deployed to sell you a lot more than shoes and soda. 

The science of social control, especially what the crowds are thinking and doing, while still imperfect, has come a very long way over the past 90 years.

Here’s an example picked up very recently by member mememonkey that I thought fascinating:


While playing a video feed of Ronald Reagan being shot by Hinkley, CNN was displaying text below that reads “TRUMP FACES BACKLASH…”  Blunt. Crude. Effective.

Now, by this time it hopefully does not take a genius to see what sort of message is being sold here. What exactly the Reagan assassination attempt has to do with Trump ditching reporters is entirely unclear from the image and text placement. Heck, it’s not even clear once they try and explain it. But the inference is crystal clear: assassination might just be 'fair game' as a form of backlash?

A traumatic event is being used to reinforce a message. That’s a covert-traumatic ploy that’s a proven winner.  If it didn’t work, then it wouldn’t be used.  But here it is, and you need to be aware that such scripts are running nearly all the time in the marketplace not just of products, but of ideas.

Now this isn’t some tin-foil hat wearing theory. It's the very essence of advertising and propaganda.  Once you notice it, you’ll see it everywhere and if you are like me, it will annoy you with its brazen obviousness.  “How can this work?” you will wonder.

As greater advances have been made in the fields of social control, cognitive processing, and neurology the ‘tools of the trade’ have become ever more sophisticated.

You need to be aware of the idea that not only are these subtle influences bombarding us all the time, but they are increasingly effective.  If you are not aware, then you run the risk of having your ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and emotions essentially provided for you by someone else.

In Part 2: How To Protect Yourself From Persuasion & Propaganda, we explain how once you become aware of the constant ‘programming’ efforts that are being aimed at you on a daily basis, you have the chance to become mindful of these efforts and prevent them from swaying your emotions and decisions (at least, not more than you allow them to).

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Ye gods, Loki.

Thank you for bringing this subject to light.

It has been my experience that whoever has the power to censor free speech on the comments section of blogs and newsfeeds, takes upon themselves unearned privilege. 

Who died and made ye arbiter of good taste? (Note the plural, ye. The dropping of the plural pronoun for you had been a great generator of confusion.  I blame Loki.)

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80 yards over the right field fence

Awesome Chris.  You hit this way out of the park for a grand slam!

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Knowing our "handles"

With manipulation, it helps to know your mark well and have identified his handles.  The places where his psyche can be grasped and pulled or pushed or twisted.  There are so many.  As an example, one used on young men to make armies is the love of country.

  • Old man:  Do you love your country?
  • Young man:  Yes, sir!
  • Old man:  Then you must shoot that Vietnamese man over there.
  • Young man:  What?  I don't want to shoot anyone.
  • Old man:  But you must!  You said you loved your country and now you must prove it.  Shoot him.

If the young man is wise, he doesn't offer his love of country as a handle.  He might say something like:  "Yes I love my country.  But I alone will choose who I shoot or don't shoot.  So back off."

Our values, fears, needs and dreams are all potential handles.

If you value your gay friend's freedom you must come to LA with me tonight to demonstrate.

If you believe in democracy then you won't let those hippie dippy liberals walk down the middle of OUR street.

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Post Election Blues?

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What the Title looks like on Facebook

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great video, t2h, thanks for posting!
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great video, t2h, thanks for posting!

love derrick broze, brilliant fellow, didn't know he had a youtube channel, subbed now

if anyone is interested in the freedom cells he mentioned in this video, he talked about it on the corbett report last month:

https://www.corbettreport.com/solutions-freedom-cells/

and website for freedom cells is here:

http://freedomcells.coeo.cc/

 

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repost of the "coke brainwashing" study

I've posted this before, but I figured I'd add it in once more since we're on the topic of emotional programming.

While being very medical-researchy, this study (Best Study Ever!) shows that advertising successfully programs us emotionally, and that only a specific kind of brain damage confers relative immunity to the effects.

Executive Summary: in blind taste tests, more people prefer Pepsi 60/40.  When the brand is shown, more people select Coke 60/40.  They even manufacture reasons why - presumably to reduce the cognitive dissonance.  Only people with brain damage to the ventromedial prefrontal cortex (VMPC) were shown to be immune to this effect.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2288573/

The findings from this study relate to a large body of psychological research demonstrating that subjective judgments are often not the product of accurate introspection about the actual underlying influences (reviewed in Nisbett and Wilson, 1977). For example, in this study, some of the comparison subjects who had a Blind preference for Pepsi would offer unsolicited justifications of their Semi-blind preference for Coke, such as ‘Coke just has a better fizz,’ or ‘Coke goes better with pizza,’ even though their Blind test data indicate a preference for the taste of Pepsi. These results are in line with Nisbett and Wilson's conclusion that subjective judgments may be based largely on non-conscious biases...

We can be 100% certain that the gang in charge is well aware of how this all works.  If they can do it successfully to sell sugar water that most people don't even like as much, they can certainly do it for HRC, or against Russia, or whomever.

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Flashed flesh fear.

Thanks Dave, but I think that this needs to fleshed out a bit.

The ventral medial prefrontal is located in the frontal lobe at the bottom of the cerebral hemispheres and is implicated in the processing of risk and fear. It also plays a role in the inhibition of emotional responses, and in the process of decision making.

(Mine seems to have the Fear mode flashed on.)

For the visuals amongst us.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventromedial_prefrontal_cortex

 

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Know thy enemy.

Here Andrew Breitbart names your enemies and describes his tactics.

He is instructed to forgo reason and evidence and to attack you directly. Do not attempt to reason with them.

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Truth

Finding Truth is a challenge these days. I find myself looking at everything....... at every statement, at every video, at every sound-bite, with the hope that this will be the "silver bullet" ....this will be the answer...this will be the explanation that will tie together all the loose ends and finally give me the "Truth". I look at the postings by Chris and Adam with the hope that final answers are revealed. I want Dave to finally pin down the markets where it makes sense and I can say "yes" I nailed it (through his analysis) and I can finally rest easy that my money is safe.

Is my desire for final answers, for easy answers, the reason I am so susceptible brainwashing? I see postings on Facebook and want to believe them because they simplify things....some of the uncomfortable complexity is removed. But....I have trained myself not to trust.......I check Snopes on the issue and then I check out Snopes itself. 

Where does the search for Truth stop? Who to believe? I go to church and I believe in a Creator, because in my opinion,  there is no way that Man could have created this amazing machine called life. But in spiritual circles I find myself questioning.....Is the person behind the pulpit really privy to any wisdom?  Is he or she trying to tell me the Truth or get the collections up to meet the budget.

Searching for kernels of Truth during this campaign was nearly impossible. The sound-bite driven rhetoric offered few pathways to Truth.

So maybe the Truth is ultimately embedded in complexity .......and the more simplistic the answer the farther we have to travel.............   But travel we must! ......Keep searching my friends.

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Fake News

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On the art of persuasion

I'll just drop this here with the usual advice to see past the party and/or venue and level any critiques you might have at the content vs the context (party affiliation, belief systems, religion, etc).

Trey's message of how to be persuasive mirrors a lot of the advice I give, and I am heartened to see more people openly stating that the path to reconciliation and negotiation cannot include insulting the other party.

What you say, how you say it, and when you say it are all essential.

At any rate, a good speech, well delivered.  

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Egos

I find that the biggest obstacle to communication is egos.

People half listen, and fill in the blanks with their egos.

For instance, I claim that it is a obvious absurdity to say that all people are equal. (No, not even of equal value. Some people are just plain rotten.) And I know my statement is doomed because everyone hears me say that I am "better" (whatever that means) than everyone else. So I proactively play whack-a-mole with their egos, hoping that they have enough insight understand what I just did.

Well, that is counter productive. Bruised egos are nasty things. But it is even more repugnant to me to lie by omission. The inability to accept Reality is lethal. 

Should I stroke their fragile egos? I have no inclination to do so. There is something icky about stroking another man's ego. I'll leave that to the girls. 

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A Few Thoughts About Us All Being in Pain

There are a couple of things that come to mind:

1-      Both sides are being “played.” It might be useful to remind ourselves that they are “agitating” or “playing” both sides. Otherwise, it could be very easy for an article like this to be used to dismiss the concerns of the other side (i.e. they’re just being “programmed” to say or feel that, so I don’t have to take it seriously.)

2-      The reason we are being “played” is to distract us from the real issue. Divide and conquer is not a new concept. It has been use for centuries to keep people confused about who the “enemy” really is so that the people cannot come together and rise up to overthrow the system. Perhaps the technology employed is far more advanced than it used to be, but the concept is still the same.

3-      The essential context is that the system is crushing *everyone.* Whether or not the system is agitating this group against that group, this still continues to be the case. We are less susceptible to manipulation when we have a clear understanding of how the system works. (And this site, above all others, does the best job of holding out the biggest picture of how that actually works!)

4-      The situation and interests of the vast majority of the population far more aligned than most of us realize.  What was once the territory of the Middle Class, is now entirely occupied by the top 20%, and the Middle Class is now lumped into what was once the territory of the Working Class and Poor. Yet this study shows how off our perceptions are in terms of understanding how skewed things are. I repeat, the better we understand how the system works, the less susceptible we are to manipulation.

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5-     Our core fear and pain make us vulnerable to manipulation. It has been my experience that most often the fear and pain are connected to something old, that happened when we were young. As individuals we carry immense amounts of hurt from earlier experiences we have had, or our families have had, that are similar in some way to what is happening right now. As the pain accumulates over a lifetime, and when it remains there, it is available to be used to manipulate us in the first place.

6-     We don't realize we can move the pain because we have been heavily conditioned not to. More often we are encouraged to numb the pain (drugs of all kinds- prescription, psychiatric, recreational, etc..) or to distract ourselves from it (facebook, work, gardening, etc...) But most of us don't even realize it's an option to actually release the pain and get it out of our way, because most of us have been conditioned very heavily not to use the body’s simple and natural ways of getting the pain out.  The really deep pain is not usually something we can simply think through; it must be felt to be released. Once it is, our minds can think more clearly. The more we can do to release the pain, the less vulnerable we are to manipulation.  

7-      The fear and pain are *real.* Whether or not the deep state is tapping into it, the feelings people are having right now, on all sides, are real! For example, the people of color I know are terrified about mass deportations and violence. And poor white rural people I know are terrified about their own survival in a collapsing system. The Jews I know are completely terrified that the holocaust is happening all over again. Queer people I know are terrified about what will happen to their families and loved ones. Women I know are terrified what will happen to their bodies. It is part of the oppression of these groups to dismiss the feelings they are having as somehow not being valid or to think that we know better how they should feel. The fear is *real* even if the deep state is playing on it for political gain.

8-      It’s easier to release the fear and pain when someone is with us, although it can be done on our own. But most of us were left alone with the hurt when we were young, and therefore, had to figure it out on our own. Having someone with us when we work on the pain, now, makes it easier to remember that the same thing isn’t happening again. Having someone with us also helps us not get lost in the feelings.

9-      We are born knowing how to release the pain. If you watch an infant, they already know how to laugh, cry, shake, sweat, and yawn. All of these things release pain. Until infants are conditioned not to do these things, they do them freely and completely. And when they are done, they are done. Lightness and joy returns. It works the same way for adults, in so far as we can overcome the conditioning not to show our feelings in these ways.

10-      We are all starving for someone to listen to us. On all sides. We are all in pain. When was the last time that someone listened to you with their full attention, without judgment, interruption, interpretation, or advice? It can make a huge difference to have space to think your thoughts and share your feelings without any kind of interference. You might also be able to release some pain! And when you do, your own mind is completely capable of coming to a new understanding of what happened and finding a fresh perspective on it. Find a friend and ask them to listen in this way to you for 5 min or 10 min, or more. Then offer to do the same for them. You might be surprised how effective it is for clearing one’s mind. And what happens in listening time stays in listening time. That’s a big part of how to make it safe.

11-  Security comes from connection, not from privilege. As far as I can tell, (we) white people in the US are attempting to cling to something that is already gone and isn't coming back: the sense that privilege = security. The loss of this illusion needs to be faced and grieved, so we can look at the reality that security can no longer come from isolation, or from having a lot of money in the bank, or living in a gated community, or from blaming another oppressed group for our problems; it can only come from deep and meaningful connections across our common social, political, economic, and cultural divides. If we want to build "the More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible," as Charles Eisenstein likes to put it, and if we want to actually create an economy that actually meets *human* and *planetary* needs, then it is my understanding that it will only possible to forge such connections if we are all working on moving our fear and pain out of the way.

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Trey Gowdy

Trey Gowdy seems like an honest man. Doesn't fit in the mould of all the swamp dwellers from DC. Would like to see a cabinet post for him or some high position in the Trump Government. My hope and prayer is that Trump can be influenced by decent people like Gowdy. Watch the clip posted by Chris and stay to the end for a very moving and inspirational story.

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I Love Ham

Yes, gentlemen she's dreaming about that "Sweet Kentucky Ham", got it?

Hillarious! Hey where's Bill? where ever he can find some "sweet Kentucky ham"

Do I hear an Amen brothers and sisters?!

Sweet Kentucky Ham

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So this was in the 1980's. What's going on now?

https://www.quora.com/Did-William-Casey-CIA-Director-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false

A new edition of "Mary's Mosaic" just came out. It unpacks some more of the disinformation that's out there on the JFK assignation from back then and in the textbooks. Fact check, fact check?  Where do you look for a real fact?

My stability comes from a hug and kiss from the wife many times a day, from the smiles of the kids and the grandkids, of a song well sung, of a bright sunrise, a good rain, a walk on a brisk afternoon and a beautiful sunset. Those are facts! 
For the rest of life I'm relying on my resilience to get through, cause UP may be DOWN or vice versa.

Take it with a grain of salt, unless you're having sweet Kentucky ham for Thanksgiving, None is needed then.

 

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What did Glenn Beck say about Alexander Dugin?

 Chris,

 

What did Glenn Beck have to say about Alexander Dugin, Putin’s political advisor and leader of the growing fascist movement out of Russia.  Beck was very clear on the Charlie Rose show that he was no fan of Hillary’s and didn’t make any remarks about her making up a Russian propaganda campaign to fool the American voters (like is being implied here in the comment section).  When Beck started talking about Alexander Dugin, it was a separate matter and said that we should really pay attention here.  So I did, and now understand his concern.

 

If the Russian connection was just Hillary’s propaganda it seems like the propaganda would have stopped.  But when you look at Alexander Dugin’s website, https://4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.com, it has plenty of stories since the election.

 

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That’s 24 post since the election.  That’s several post a day following battles in detail, political news, financial news, and bloody photos showing what they look forward to doing to liberal globalists everywhere someday.  I don’t buy the null hypothesis that there is nothing to Dugin other than Hillary’s propaganda campaign, it’s illogical to think that she would still be producing this many stories a day more than a week after the election.

 

Trump may be keeping the American media guessing about what he is thinking, but it is all being spelled out very clearly on Russian TV.  Especially on Dugin’s site where he separates the myths from the agreements that have apparently already been made. He even describes the “real politic” theory that Trump is going to govern with.

https://4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.com/2016/11/10/kirill-benediktov-the-kremlins-trump-myths-and-reality/

 

Your thought’s on Alexander Dugin please, I’m especially eager to learn what Glenn Beck has to say about him.

 
 
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a transmit-only conversation

David Phillips-

I get the sense you are in transmit-only mode.  Not sure if that's because you are a paid troll or you just aren't at all schooled in the art of two-way dialog.  Either way, I find transmit-only people boring, and so I'm ignoring you forthwith.

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"Drain the Swamp," do you hear the dog whistle?

Dear Chris,

Do you see any subliminal advertizing here, or is it an overt dog whistle?

For the few days Dugin has posted two stories saying that it is time to “Drain the Swamp.”

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https://4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.com/2016/11/18/drain-the-swamp-alexander-dugin/

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https://4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.com/2016/11/18/dugins-guideline-trump-will-drain-the-swamp/

I’ve been astonished how many times I’ve heard news casters or politicians talk about “draining the swamp” a lot lately.  For example watch Greg Getfeld talk about “Draining the Swamp” and dumping the drifters there.

If someone is curious what “Drain the Swamp” might mean, Tyrus the TNA wrestler gives them an example.

“But it’s just the way things are.  Before they could say whatever.  Look, the differences is now, you run your mouth, you’re going to have to actually cash the check you’re writing.  Whereas before they could say whatever, and be like, well they have the right to say what they have to say.  You have to understand, not anymore.  You say what you have to say, then we’ll meet them in the school yard.”

This sounds like that intolerant attitude that Dugin is encouraging in one of his directives.  And here it is expressed openly on TV, as if it were a normal thing all of a sudden.

Do you see the same subliminal or overt dog whistle that I see?

 
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Coffee with Scott Adams and America Under Hypnosis

This can be a video companion to Scott’s blog post: The Bully Party. Framing the election as a Nazi insurrection (link)

Scott previously mentioned the same a this link when he saw  it coming.

- CD

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Transmit-mode only?

davefairtex,

I've responded to all of the questions that I saw.  Sorry that I missed yours.

My question was for Chris, but I'm interested in dialog with you as well.  

What do you want to discuss?

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Resistance to obvious is puzzling.

I learned about Alexander Dugin from Glenn Beck when was interviewed on the Charlie Rose Show.  I looked him up on the internet, he was hard to find, and he was explaining things way more accurately than anyone else, as if he knew.  I have provided links so everything is verifiable.  When you look at RT News and Dugin's sites, it's clear who's calling the shots.

It seems like others would look at the links and see the connections for themselves.  But no one on this blog wants to acknowledge the obvious.  The ideas I have presented here are all my own, ("the gifts the world needs," Chris said) and I'm not regurgitation of someone else's.  Except for Dugin's, I've been regurgitating his material like crazy, so that others could see the dangers Glenn Beck and I see.

Look for yourself.  https://4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.com/  Hillary campaign is not writing all of these post, more than a week after the election.  Like Glenn Beck said.  We need to pay attention to what Alexander Dugin is doing.

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So what?

Assuming that Dugin is a bad man (there are many), what, exactly, were you asking be done again? 

Something about the electoral college? If a significant portion of the EC broke and voted for "another", who would that other be and why? And what would the ideal outcome of such a course of action be (in your mind)?

 

 

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Good Speech by Trey Goudy - Carter Also Speaks Against Hypocrisy

If, as with Goudy, you ignore the us/them political context of the person and the charged word "conservative" in the headline, which is not from Jimmy Carter's words but from whoever posted the article, then the message is the same:  violence against each other, the advocation of war, violence against women and suppression of women is against the true core of all religions. 

And yet, all of these things are promoted by people who hypocritically profess to be religious, whether it's the neocons that would have been in Hillary's cabinet, or the neocons like Bolton that may yet be in Trump's cabinet, the dangerous fanatics that run ISIS, and so on around the world.

“President Jimmy Carter recently blamed much of the world’s violence on religious hypocrisy. He told the annual Human Rights Defenders Forum at The Carter Center that we are at a turning point in history,” choosing between “peace and human suffering.”

President Carter spoke about global violence, and more specifically, violence against girls and women. As a conservative Baptist who still teaches a weekly Sunday School class, he may surprise people with his criticism of religion. He is so passionate about the subject that he wrote the book, “A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence, and Power” in 2014."

I also give Carter huge credit as the only living ex-President who correctly called out our current US government as an "oligarchy" - and did that last year during the reign of the party he's nominally affiliated with - the Democrats.  Because of his often harsh criticism of the Dems, he joked elsewhere that while no higher ups in the party had seemed interested in taking his calls previously, they did suddenly call with messages of concern about his melanoma liver and brain cancer announced last summer.  Apparently, the cancer seems to have miraculously gone into remission, at least for now.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/11/09/president-jimmy-carter-releases-i...

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Credit Due Carter

Tagging onto what kelvinator is saying, Carter is also likely the only president in recent history who's Foundation is not a charity Fraud waiting to be exposed. I have much to critizize his admin for but at least once out he did good works without compensation, as is required under the law, instead of building a pay-to-play money laundering crime organization.

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Persuasion vs. Propaganda

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Manufacturing Consent

Chomsky's movie, "Manufacturing Consent".  Goes into this topic in great detail, Cannot recommend this too highly. Its a little old, 1988, but still very relevant.

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Pot, meet kettle?
While on the subject of propaganda and manipulation, I have to mention - pretty much all of the articles on this site take the form of:
 
- In-depth analysis of something scary that we should worry about
 
- Promise of soothing our fears by reading Part 2 (for the very steep cost of $30/month) about how we can protect ourselves
 
Isn't this a classic advertising / emotional manipulation tactic? E.g. "Do people hate you because your armpits stink? Right Guard is here to help." Now I totally understand it's tough to make a decent income as a content provider online (I have a fairly popular site that gets about 100k pageviews a month and the ad revenue is only about $200/year). And I definitely appreciate the otherwise really rational and insightful articles Chris and staff produce.
 
The subtext of the subscription thing always leaves a bad taste in my mouth though, and the ubiquitous "scare -> offer soothing product" structure. My hope is that it's just a mild ethical concession in order to support the work here, but my fear is that it's something of a racket driven by emotional tactics. 
 
Not sure if these comments are moderated and whether this one will be posted, but if so I'd definitely love to get Chris or someone on the staff's take on this (or maybe a link or something if it's been addressed before). I really do appreciate the years of interesting analysis and research. Hopefully someone can soothe my fears and set me straight :). 
 
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Yes and no, Luke

Yes, Luke, there is a business model here.

Yes, Luke, the business model involves the attempt to draw a customer in, by giving him SOMETHING he needs, and hoping he'll find enough of value to pursue more.

Yes, that business model is also shared by shysters and Wall street barons, too.

But in the end, I don't feel terribly manipulated. In fact, because my own model for dealing with things cannot be financial (I'm already trapped there), I don't feel a grave worry about the ecopolitical situation. I'm more concerned about the spiritual situation, and am heavily into increasing ability on the low-tech end in case things progress faster than I think.

My estimate is that we'll have this situation continue for at least thirty years more... But (and this is a big caveat) #I# #COULD# #BE# #WRONG#. Things could wrap up in less than a year.

If the US' next "big one" quake hits, look for David Wilkerson's "Vision" to play out... the dominos are in place.

But there are other ways this could go.

So I don't feel too upset about this.

Oh, and by the way, there was this HORRIBLE ad for some Doctor Wang's cure to foot fungus. I want to buy it at some point, but I'll have to get one of the single use credit cards; because I really don't trust them not to be thieves. But in making their sales pitch, they gave me enough info to cure something that had plagued me for over five years, and my doctors just milked it.

Point being, even with the horrid manipulative ads, sometimes the still get you what they need.

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Asking readers to assess Dugin for themselves, not just dismiss.

At this point I’m asking the readers of this forum to read through Dugin’s material for themselves and see that his influence over Trump is real, goes way beyond a Hillary propaganda scandal, and represents a threat to the United States as we know it.

I would also ask that people look into why Dugin, the leader of the growing Eurasian fascists movement, is so excited about Brexit and Trump’s election.  Maybe we should be more aware of what they are doing, instead of blindly arguing among ourselves, repeating their propaganda.

I was asking for people to encourage members of the Electoral College to vote no.  But I don’t think that’s enough anymore.  The public now needs to discover the deals Trump is making with Putin.  If they were aware of what was really going on, they would put an immediate stop to Trump becoming president.  

Do the American people really want to join the fascist movement sweeping through Europe?  I don’t think so.  If the people of America and Europe had a clearer picture of what was really going on, I think that they would reconsider the fascist direction the Eurasian movement is taking us and make wiser choices.  

The last thing that I would ask, after reading over Dugin’s material and realizing the threat he represents, is help to spread the word to others, before Trump becomes president in January and the United States of America becomes Trump America as Dugin describes.

Once you start paying attention to Russian media, it's obvious what is going on.  

I think that it is obvious what is going on once you start following the Russian news sources, especially Dugin's.

I invite you to explore the RT News and Dugin links below. I'm eager to hear your assessment of Dugin and his influence over Donald Trump.

 

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What Russians see walking down the street

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What Russians see on TV

 

The stories you hear on RT News:  https://www.rt.com

The storyline boldly presented by Alexander Dugin, telling us Trump is thinking: 4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.com

The directives he issues like “Drain the Swamp”  http://katehon.com/directives/

A message that is suddenly everywhere in the American media:  

Here is an NPR story about Dugin and Russia’s influence on Donald Trump.

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/25/487380876/a-look-at-donald-trumps-ties-to-russia

 
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business models

Luke-

...And I definitely appreciate the otherwise really rational and insightful articles Chris and staff produce.

My hope is that it's just a mild ethical concession in order to support the work here, but my fear is that it's something of a racket driven by emotional tactics.

At the risk of speaking for our two founders...my sense is, since you find the articles really rational and insightful, I think you've answered your own question.

As Chris always says, "trust yourself."  :)

 

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Content

Luke...you make a valid point that there is an imbedded sales pitch in the non-premium content, but that is free enterprise. Chris and Adam have every right to make a living.  I choose to accept what I can get because I can't afford the premium content right now, and come the this site voluntarily and appreciate the honesty and value here. I find a strong effort among most of the people who post here to search for truth and engage in meaningful discourse, and have never seen evidence of censorship for nefarious reasons.  This is a great forum.

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Failure of MSM

A close family member recently revealed to me that after voting for GOP candidates for the last 12 presidential cycles, they were switching.  I nearly pissed my britches.  After using some critical thinking, I decided to dig a little more and determine why the switch.  My findings: it was a fear of losing the status quo.  That status quo was an embedded understanding that, as long as entitlements keep flowing, I will vote for anyone, no matter how corrupt.  

This should tell us a few things.  First, money printing has had an amazing control over a vast amount of the population--and that changed in November.  Second, fear has been used to shape thoughts, control elections, proliferate consumerism, and persuade the population that the dollar is the end-all, be-all money for many decades through main stream media--that also has obviously changed.  What really struck me was the post-election market swings, and how quickly the Trump-hating MSM changed their tune.  Do you believe this was a "market" reaction, or was this another intervention by the Administrative agency that has been working double overtime to maintain "status quo"?  Are you surprised at how peak oil has been beat down in the MSM?  I'm not.  You really don't need to be a financial expert to observe that Exxon has been illiquid for some time now, but their stock is still strong, their divi in tact, and their cost of capital remain fictionally low.  The American people have been played, but not just by politicians and the MSM,  the main culprit is coming from the untold trillions that can't be audited.  

This election was about change--change in thought shaping and change in our political values.  I suspect this year will be an awakening, and one in which printed currency can't prevent.

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On Making Money

Adam and I have chosen to dedicate our lives to the project known as Peak Prosperity.  Our mission is enormous; create a world worth inheriting.

That requires our full and undivided attention.

So...if we are going to support ourselves then when it comes to 'selling information' there are really only two major paths in the internet space.

1)  The volume model

2)  The subscription model

The volume model simply means "drive traffic."  There are pros and cons to this approach we should discuss.  The pros are you get lots of eyeballs and you reach lots of people and you get to make your content apparently 'free.'  I say 'apparently' because nothing is free and the costs are revealed in the cons.  The cons are that one becomes a slave to constantly updating content, with hourly being the minimum update frequency necessary, but 5 to 10 minutes being 'state of the art.'  Because of this requirement, one's content, by definition, slips in quality.  It becomes 'fluff.'  Worse, in the consumer culture we live in certain things drive traffic better than others.  Attractive women showing lots of skin works, celebrities work, and so do kittens and dog gifs and videos.  Also, because your job is not to drive anyone away, you don't moderate comments at all and you end up with the usual crap show and ignorance swap meets you typically find on most volume centered sites.

If we ran the volume model I can 100% guarantee you that we'd have an entirely different set of complaints being registered and we'd have an entirely different set of people gathered here.  Also, we'd probably not be in service to our mission.  Compromises would have to be made.

The subscription model allows us to focus on quality over quantity.  We get to moderate the heck out of our site and not have to worry about showing anybody the door who refuses to abide by the site's posting agreements.  Most importantly, for me personally, I don't ever have to feel compromised by what I am posting or offering.  Full integrity.  On the con side, we reach fewer people, there's less traffic, and some people use the fact that we charge for a portion of our content as the "reason" they can feel justified in tuning out our message.

It's not really a valid reason, of course, but a means to avoid experiencing any psychic discomfort.  

As to the content I personally choose to write about it is the result of extensive reading and sorting and sifting.  What I write about is what rises to the top given my personal abilities, capacity, and filters.  Some people find utility in what I see and how I see it and a great many don't.  

Welcome to personal choice and trusting oneself.

Now, about the substance of the content...I will say this...if what I am writing strikes you as overly negative, or fear based, or centering on problems over happier things, well then, that's because the world is racing head first into a nested set of predicaments that will defy any and all attempts to ignore them or pretend they don't exist.

If anyone can honestly peer into the data of the world as it stands and not be deeply concerned, then they are not going to resonate with how I see the world.

But it would be unfair to characterize my writing or approach as being fear-based for the purpose of driving additional sales.

I could easily, and with full conscious intent, create a website with content that would simply shriek fear and loathing at all times.  Heck, I would create a universe of them to capture the left, the right and the center, with a pair for each, one greed based ("six tips for living longer and looking better!"  "The next eight stocks that will soar in the new bull market!") and one fear based ("These are the foods that will harm your child" "The government is tracking you and will put you in this FEMA camp!").

Instead, what we've done here is we assemble data, analyze it, and place it into a digestible form with full transparency into the source of every bit of the information presented.  If you think that our content is fear-based, or full of unnecessary urgency, then our request is that you present alternative data with a different interpretation.

In short, if the state of the world doesn't create a sense of great concern and urgency in you, you probably haven't looked at it too closely...and are probably not ready for the content of this site and its contributors.

Too long, didn't read (TL;DR) version; At Peak Prosperity we let the facts speak for themselves.  And we're proud to be making a living doing it while the mainstream media loses readership and money by trying to sell propaganda and false dreams.

 

 

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Coke/Pepsi is more complicated...

Dave,

The book "Sugar, Salt, Fat" provides more research on the Coke/Pepsi conundrum.  While Pepsi wins the "one sip" taste test, an entire can does not taste better than a can of Coke.  Pepsi pegs the short-term bliss point, but most palates find it overwhelming in larger doses.  Please read the book for a better explanation.

The NIH article that you reference "Prefrontal cortex damage abolishes brand-cued changes in cola preference" also doesn't go beyond the first sip of beverage.  Most Coke drinkers understand what the full can is going to taste like.  So the "Pepsi Paradox" may not be such a paradox after all.  Individuals with damage to the prefrontal cortex may find that the entire can tastes like the first sip, whereas other get "fed up" after the third, fourth, or fifth sip of Pepsi.

Not to say that brand loyalty isn't brainwashed into us.  Just that this example may be more nuanced than it first appears.

 

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A limited vote of confidence for Chris

Let me state that my limits are within what I can trust him to do.

Chris is not the Savior of the Universe, nor a Power Ranger, nor even a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. I don't trust him for these things (sorry Chris! Maybe next time.)

Chris has a storyline that is accurate within the limits of what he can see, and he has made a website helping people deal with life within the confines of that story line.

Within the range of that mission, I have an overwhelming vote of confidence. He has done what he set out to do.

As to his ability to see and understand the reality around us, that of course is going to be limited: he is a little more reactive than I, and I, fortunately or unfortunately, am more reactive than (say) my mother-in-law or my brother.

But as to who sees more clearly, who knows: I guess we'll find out.

And yes, his work needs to be supported, or it will be unsupported. Take your pick, how.

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How Appropriate:

We now have the bloggers coming for each other.Who's next,Sesame Street,Dora the Explorer?One month ago,you couldn't make this up....Insanity....

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Puzzled why you are evading my legitimate concern of Dugin?

Chris,

Why are you evading my legitimate concern of Alexander Dugin and his influence over Donald Trump?

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New Recordererer """Market""" Highs

All major indexes trade at all-time highs as energy surges 2% (Yahoo Finance)

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More data please
David Phillips wrote:

Chris,

Why are you evading my legitimate concern of Alexander Dugin and his influence over Donald Trump?

From your link I got this;

ALEKSANDR DUGIN: Go ahead, Mr. Trump. In Trump we trust.

WELNA: That's Aleksandr Dugin, a Russian political analyst who's been called Putin's Rasputin. In a video posted on YouTube, Dugin says while Hillary Clinton's worse than President Obama and would destroy America...

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

DUGIN: Donald Trump's America can be friend and ally, or at least an indifferent power that concentrates on itself and minds its own business.

WELNA: Russians' perception that Trump sees their nation as a friend rather than an adversary may stem from comments like these, which he made to Bloomberg TV four months ago.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

TRUMP: We're always fighting. We're the one that wants to go to World War III with Russia over Ukraine. So we're the ones always fighting. We're the ones putting up a lot of the money for NATO disproportionately - a lot.

Doesn't sound like Trump and Dugin have a special relationship to me. It just sounds like neither party want a war. Why is that a bad thing?

Cheers,

Luke

 

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Enjoy your Turkey
David Phillips wrote:

Why are you evading my legitimate concern of Alexander Dugin and his influence over Donald Trump?

We are all standing around a large pond in a dense fog.

Sometimes, a shadow appears at the opposite side of the pond. A few ripple patterns emerge across the water's surface. A bit later, a different shadow appears. Different ripple patterns.

Not easy to see what is happening directly through the fog, but by observing the shadows that appear (and reappear) and watching the ripple patterns they create and how they interact - we can slowly piece together a narrative about what is really going on with the shadows and the pond.

Trump being elected is analogous to someone tossing a boulder into the pond.

It will take a while for the water to settle and the shadows to reappear.

Maybe people are just a bit worn out after this election. Perhaps they are just observing what is happening to see what happens next without trying predict what will happen.

Enjoy your turkey.

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"Finding Truth"
Oliveoilguy wrote:

Finding Truth is a challenge these days...

...Where does the search for Truth stop? Who to believe? I go to church and I believe in a Creator, because in my opinion,  there is no way that Man could have created this amazing machine called life. But in spiritual circles I find myself questioning.....Is the person behind the pulpit really privy to any wisdom?  Is he or she trying to tell me the Truth or get the collections up to meet the budget.

I appreciate your comment. A couple things came to my mind:

  1. Indeed, He makes himself known plainly and generally to all. I think you are wise to recognize and hang on to that.
  2. I think your experience in your circles is consistent (and your questioning appropriate) with regards to the dearth of sound teaching that characterizes this particular era in history (Laodician).

Back in 2008 I credited Ron Paul with helping me understand what was going on politically, and Chris Martenson for giving an understanding of the world economically. Even before that, I credited Robert D. Luginbill with giving me a framework for understanding what was going on in the world spiritually. It's been very interesting to see ways in which Chris' more secular, data-driven viewpoints give coinciding context to Luginbill's exegeses regarding upcoming "predicaments". Has it been 10 years (8 in the case of my exposure to CM) and probably over 10,000 pages since I started down this path? It's hard to believe. The search is a challenging and rewarding endeavor indeed.

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Re: On Making Money
Hey Chris - thanks for taking the time to reply, and being open to discussion about this stuff. I should mention that despite what my post count of 1 (now 2 :) might imply I've followed your work since about 2008-2009 and have found a lot of very helpful ideas that have influenced my thinking over the years. I attended a live talk / Q&A in Sebastopol a few years back that was very engaging and interesting. So my questioning isn't coming from the perspective of someone new to all this or too scared to hear the message. 
 
Your points about the volume model vs subscription model were interesting, especially about setting some selection influence on the type of community that forms. I'm definitely not suggesting you go in the direction of Buzzfeed and try to post empty clickbait every 5 minutes. But I also think it's not so black and white as "volume" vs. "subscription". There are succesful "free" blogs out there who post once a week or once a month and earn their popularity with their quality (a quality post can become a go-to resource for some idea or topic and have a long tail). I'm not a blogger though and am not privy to their financial statements so I may be talking out my ass on this one, you probably have a better sense of these business models than I do. 
 
There are at least a few models beyond volume / subscription - a donation or fundraising-based business model, for example, possibly with specific published fundraising targets based on salaries and operating costs. Or a sliding scale / pay-what-you-want subscription model. Or have the articles as a free resource and use it to help raise awareness of paid seminars, the book etc. Personally I'd love to have a donation option - $30/month seems too steep for me given my present level of engagement, but I do greatly appreciate your work and would happily provide some support. Anyway you know your situation and the financial math a lot better than I do, and the reasons for settling on the business model you've settled on.
 
You mentioned: "On the con side, we reach fewer people, there's less traffic, and some people use the fact that we charge for a portion of our content as the "reason" they can feel justified in tuning out our message. It's not really a valid reason, of course, but a means to avoid experiencing any psychic discomfort."
 
I take a bit of issue with this. If your mission is to have an impact on the world, then wouldn't you want to reach more people? There are enough seminar scams etc. out there promising safety or wealth for very expensive prices (e.g. Trump University) that I think it's justified to question the motivations. I don't think you can just write off any suspicion as "avoiding psychological discomfort", i.e. that anyone questioning the business model and motivations is just too scared to handle the truth. 
 
I hope I'm not offending or being too confrontational in all this. These have been questions on my mind for a while so I thought I'd bring them up - my intention is certainly not to mess up your business or make you feel bad about what you're doing, I've always appreciated your levelheadedness, attention to detail, and encouragement of people to verify things and come to their own conclusions. Even the free content here is well above and beyond most of what's out there. 
 
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Reply to Luke

Hi Luke,

Just wanted to point out that raising kids is really expensive, braces, college, healthcare and all, so the cost for membership is really reasonable and of value for those of us who make it a priority.  Was looking at a greeting card in the checkout lane at the grocery store and the price tag was $7.95 not kidding, a card that will be admired for what 60 seconds, oh heck let's be generous two minutes, now that's expensive.

Suggestion, pay $30 for a monthly membership several times a year and catch up on everything you missed.  It's all a matter of choices.

AKGrannyWGrit

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Reply to Luke

Hi Luke,

Just wanted to point out that raising kids is really expensive, braces, college, healthcare and all, so the cost for membership is really reasonable and of value for those of us who make it a priority.  Was looking at a greeting card in the checkout lane at the grocery store and the price tag was $7.95 not kidding, a card that will be admired for what 60 seconds, oh heck let's be generous two minutes, now that's expensive.

Suggestion, pay $30 for a monthly membership several times a year and catch up on everything you missed.  It's all a matter of choices.

AKGrannyWGrit

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Luke and Granny

I have been reading Chris and Adams work since they started this site.  I felt the same as Luke for a long time and just read the public articles.  Somewhere along the lines the light bulb went off that I couldn't rely on other people to pay the freight for sane and well thought out comment.  I can get free news and opinion from the MSM.  We know how that works out.  So I recently made the decision to become a member here because I value the considered non-dogmatic opinions that Adam and Chris present.  I actually see hope for the future on this site when I read the well expressed and obviously passionate thoughts by people who post here. I think it is time for thoughtful people of all flavors to come together and start talking and working for our future.  If we don't it does indeed look pretty bleak.  Just my outlook and I certainly don't have all the answers but I am looking and would rather be hopeful than fearful. God Bless and take care.

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