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    Betrayal!

    The pervasive & defining crime of our age
    by Chris Martenson

    Saturday, October 7, 2017, 12:35 AM

Let me apologize in advance for what may be an upsetting piece of writing for some of you. If you're in a state of shock or exhaustion from recent events, perhaps you should skip this one.

I don't offer this analysis in order to further distress anyone — but until you understand what is happening and how that influences your psychological state, you'll remain the emotional equivalent of a rag doll shaken to-and-fro by events.

Such understanding may not bring you to a place of calm acceptance. But it will set you free.

Betrayal

The recent acts of violence in the US, especially the horrific mass shooting in Las Vegas, are not arising out of a vacuum. Nor are the Brexit vote, the election of Trump, or the recent Catalonian vote for secession, random unconnected acts.

These — and future similarly disruptive events sure to come — are all arising out of the fact that we all have been betrayed.

For the purposes of this article, let's define betrayal as:

the sense of being harmed by the intentional actions of a trusted person or institution. The emotional impacts of betrayal may include shock, a sense of loss, grief, damaged self-esteem, humiliation, self-doubt, shame, and anger.

We're betrayed every time our trust is violated, in small ways or large. An example of a small betrayal might be hiding a frivolous purchase from your partner when you've both agreed to stick to a shared budget. A larger betrayal would be infidelity.

But betrayals aren't limited to relationships between individuals. They can be perpetrated across groups, even nations. Like the enormous betrayal of trust committed when the US sent its military into Iraq on the basis of falsified ‘intelligence'.

No matter the perpetrator, size and scope of a betrayal, the parties involved are only able to heal the damage done if there's an open and honest dialog where the betrayer admits to their violations and atones openly and honestly. As discussed in much more detail in our excellent podcast with an experienced cognitive therapist, the betrayer must fully atone for their actions, face all consequences, and openly answer every question posed to them by the aggrieved.

If none of that happens, then then the animosity festers and is never ‘gotten over.’ Time does not heal that wound. It only offers a swampy breeding ground for a swarm of resentments.

In other words, if you find yourself increasingly distressed or angry (as I am) about the rampant violations of public trust in today's world, it’s because you're paying attention. It means you're not crazy; you're normal.

Betrayal Of The Public Trust

In the US, politicians deservedly enjoy a very low approval rating. Their words so rarely match their actions that it’s a too rare delight to find someone of character and conscience in DC.

Instead, we regularly see dirt bags like this:

This congressman is why people hate politics

Oct 4, 2017

Washington (CNN)

Pennsylvania Rep. Tim Murphy has had one hell of a last month.

In early September, the Republican House member admitted to an extramarital affair with a "personal friend"following the unsealing of divorce records that showed he had been involved in a relationship with Shannon Edwards, a forensic psychologist.

It got much, much worse on Tuesday when the Post-Gazette reported on a text message exchange between Edwards and Murphy in which she alleges he urged her to have an abortion.

Murphy's personal foibles are not the point here. What is the point is that he is someone who has been an outspoken critic of abortion rights in his public life even while apparently being much more willing to consider it when it impacts him personally.

Murphy was a co-sponsor of legislation –passed in the House on Tuesday night– that would make it illegal for women to abort a baby after the 20-week mark.

He has a perfect 100% score with National Right to Life, having voted with the organization on five key pieces of legislation, including the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortions Act." As my former Washington Post colleague Aaron Blake expertly documents, Murphy was also touting his anti-abortion stance even as he was reportedly urging his mistress to seek an abortion.

(Source)

A sordid tale indeed. The essence of which is a powerful politician saying one thing but doing another. He loudly espoused strong family values and a staunch right-to-life voting record — all while conducting an extra-marital affair and pressuring his mistress to get an abortion.

For the constituents who believed in this man, his deeds offer a profound betrayal. 

Tim Murphy represents the credo that the politicians in The Swamp live by: Do as we say, not as we do.

There are so many examples of prominent politicians and religious leaders saying one thing but doing nearly the exact opposite that one hardly knows how to begin listing them all. 

Heck, even "America's Dad", Bill Cosby, has turned out to be a serial rapist.

All these betrayals have led to a rule I now live by: The more someone proclaims a strong moral position, the more I suspect them of secretly doing the opposite.

It’s time to refuse to put up with this any longer.

Institutionally Betrayed

But the scope of our victimization goes far beyond that conducted by individuals. The very institutions, both public and private, that we rely on are often fleecing us more than serving us.

The betrayals of the Catholic Church in covering up thousands of sexual assaults and tens of thousands of child victims are absolutely devastating.

Pharmaceutical companies quietly fund opposition to medical marijuana ballot initiatives because the data shows that the use of safe and effective marijuana seriously cuts into the extremely profitable sales of highly addictive and deadly opiates.

Car insurance companies rob their most loyal customers by slowly ratcheting up premiums in a scheme called “price optimization” in the industry. (This happened to me because I had not taken the time to shop around recently. I was horrified when I did. I wasn’t as badly screwed as some customers who paying up to 800% more than they should, but it still hurt.)

Of course hospitals with their captive hostage billing rackets are among the worst of the worst. So are private for-profit prisons, indecipherable 48-page phone bills, and Monsanto ghost writing “research” to obscure the probable cancer causing nature of Round Up while certain EPA staffers looked the other way.

In short, it’s difficult to have any sort of optimism about any large US corporations at this point. All of them are busy betraying us in ways large and small, every day, ranging from being evasive about the degree to which they snoop into our private affairs, to the ways in which they limit our access to the free flow of information by altering the results of popular online search algorithms.

In such an environment of pervasive betrayal, it’s difficult to maintain any sense of trust.

It turns out the best strategy is to trust nobody. Especially not a corporation with a large enough staff to segment their actions into enough ‘silos of deniability’, where no one person feels directly culpable for placing profits over people. “Hey Bill, as an exercise, why don’t you run an analysis that shows how many customers we might lose if we steadily increase their insurance rates, and then I’ll run it by legal and accounting…”

It’s time to refuse to put up with this any longer.

Sovereign Betrayal

The behavior of nations is no better on this front.

For example, in response to the highly-democratic Catalan referendum for independence, the EU bureaucracy has been busy betraying any commitments it had to protecting and advancing democracy. The EU Commission First Vice President said this:

STRASBOURG —The Spanish government’s “proportionate use of force” in Catalonia was necessary to uphold the rule of law, the European Commission declared on Wednesday.

As the European Parliament opened a debate on the Catalonia crisis, Commission First Vice President Frans Timmermans sided unequivocally with the Madrid government.

“None of us want to see violence in our societies,” Timmermans went on. “However it is a duty for any government to uphold the law, and this sometimes does require the proportionate use of force.”

(Source)

"Proportionate use of force?"

Wow. That's an amazing perversion of language. Most of you have seen the pictures of peaceful people being ruthlessly clubbed by Spanish police — simply because they exercised their right to vote. Here's a graphic video of a woman's fingers being methodically and cruelly broken as she lay on her back barely resisting (only watch it if you have a strong stomach).

Police broke my fingers one by one and touched my breasts

A woman dragged out of a polling station in Barcelona by police broke down in tears today as she claimed they had broken her fingers 'one by one' and sexually assaulted her while they laughed.

Marta Torrecillas was filmed being violently removed from a school in the city's upmarket Eixample area as Catalonia voted for independence yesterday.

The clip, captured at Paul Claris School, showed her being manhandled as she tried to walk past officers in full body armour on a day when footage of police brutality sparked outrage around the world.

Her dress was forced up around her thighs – leaving her exposed and humiliated – as she was dragged down towards the exit.She later claimed officers had touched her breasts and broken her fingers 'deliberately, one by one'.

(Source)

 

Her crime? Thinking she had the right to peacefully cast a vote. For that she was brutally assaulted, as were hundreds of other people. To which the EU VP merely said “it is a duty of any government to uphold the law.” 

Remember, it was the EU that voted to sanction and then bomb Libya because of concerns that Qaddafi was persecuting civilians (despite virtually no evidence this was the case) .

When your own government protects other people (as a pretext for violent regime change) but persecutes you, it is nothing short of a massive betrayal. Remember, anger, resentment, and humiliation are extremely difficult to ‘get over.’

It’s time to refuse to put up with this any longer.

Betrayal By The Elites

Here in October 2017, the stock and bond markets are in melt-up mode. This is a gigantic theft — a deliberate transfer of wealth to those who already hold financial assets. The 1% is getting richer and richer while everybody without an already-significant pile of financial assets to their name languishes.

The central banks know exactly what they are doing and why. Stoking a massive boom in financial assets is benefiting their member banks, the ruling classes, the industry titans who fete them at swanky events like Davos, and the rich members of Congress.

Of course, this unfair wealth transfer is a massive betrayal of everybody who needs to save their hard-earned income for the future.

The central banks have vastly reduced the purchasing power of newly-earned money, making assets twice (or more) as expensive as they were just five years ago.  Anyone looking to buy a home, invest in a stock, or purchase a car, clearly can see this.

That’s inflation in every sense of the word. Inflation destroys wealth; it doesn't grow it.

Here are a few simple questions to frame things.

  • Would you rather receive 2% on a ten-year bond or 6%?
  • Would you rather get 1 share of a given stock or 2 for the same amount of money?
  • Would you rather get a dividend yield of 1.5% or 3%?

Obviously, you’d rather get more than less in every case. You’d take two instead of one for the same money whenever you could.

But the Federal Reserve has decided, using deeply flawed reasoning and no historical perspective, that simply jamming up the value of financial assets for those who already hold them is the best course of action.

Are you one of those who needs to save up for retirement? Tough luck. The Fed has decided you're the loser in this story. You've been betrayed.

It’s time to refuse to put up with this any longer.

Generational Betrayal

One of the very worst forms of betrayal is that levied against an entire generation.

Today, we're saddling young people with poor job prospects, high student debts, impossibly expensive housing stock, and a crumbling national infrastructure. All while asking them to shoulder the costs of the older generations underfunded entitlement and pension programs.

The statement to young people is clear: “We don’t care about you. We only care about us.”

It's reprehensible. But that’s what massive betrayals are.

To just focus on housing in the US (and let’s be clear, housing is just as bad a situation in London, Stockholm, and a hundred other cities across the globe), the Federal Reserve has made higher home prices a specific policy goal. Its truly idiotic theory was that higher home prices make people feel richer, and that such people will borrow against the equity in their homes to spend more.

The reason this is idiotic is that a house that costs twice as much isn’t twice as valuable. As the market price goes up, the square footage and amenities remain exactly the same. The only real difference is that your property taxes and insurance costs have climbed, too. So in actuality,  it's an even larger money drain than before.

Because assets generate cash flow and liabilities consume cash flow, it’s best to think of your primary residence as a liability and not an asset. But few people do that during a housing bubble like the one we're in now. Just remember that all gains are speculative — they only matter if you're able to sell the house and invest the profits elsewhere. Otherwise, your "gains" can easily evaporate with the next market downturn.

The charts below show the astronomical prices homebuyer are faced with today. Here's the national price index, which has propelled above it's previous bubble high (remember: the bubble the triggered the Great Financial Crisis?):

(Source)

The view from a regional level often looks even more grim. Here's what homebuyers in Dallas are experiencing:

Ouch!

Sorry next generation, the boomers driving the Federal Reserve's policy have decided that you are expendable pawns. To protect their advantage, the older generation has decided to eat its young.

In other words, you’ve been betrayed.

It’s time to refuse to put up with this any longer.

In Part 2: Fighting Back — A Call To Action, we detail the agency that we as individuals have in this story, to throw off the shackles of our victimhood and secure a prosperous future as protected as possible from the clutches of the betrayers. 

The betrayals will only come more fast and furious from here. This is expected. Dying systems with failing narratives are always messy and become increasingly desperate in their actions.

Start taking steps to seize your future freedom now.

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  • Fri, Oct 06, 2017 - 4:46pm

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    generational betrayal, generational warfare

    Well said Chris. My biggest fear is indeed not a middle east war, not a race war, not a terror war  but a generational world war as they figure out just how victimized and betrayed they are  – that the generation before them not only lied and stole all the way out but was the last to stop a financial, ecosystem, and species collapse and did nothing except hide those truths.  

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  • Fri, Oct 06, 2017 - 4:46pm

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    generational betrayal, generational warfare

    Well said Chris. My biggest fear is indeed not a middle east war, not a race war, not a terror war  but a generational world war as they figure out just how victimized and betrayed they are  – that the generation before them not only lied and stole all the way out but was the last to stop a financial, ecosystem, and species collapse and did nothing except hide those truths.  

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  • Fri, Oct 06, 2017 - 5:52pm

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    Time2help

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    What will you do...

    …when the veil lifts and everyone on the planet finally sees you for who and what you truly are?

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  • Fri, Oct 06, 2017 - 7:37pm

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    Betrayal

    I have only read the 1st half but my instinct tells me this was a difficult article to write.

    When, on occasion one of my kids obsesses over something I repeat a phrase to them that makes sense to me.

    “The mind can’t let go of what the heart can’t forgive”. And betrayal is tough to let go of.

    Perfect topic for our current state of affairs!

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Fri, Oct 06, 2017 - 7:46pm

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    Betrayal

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  • Fri, Oct 06, 2017 - 7:56pm

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    Time2help

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    Betrayal

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  • Fri, Oct 06, 2017 - 10:19pm

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    Many see what's coming

    Betrayal and moral decay are at the root of what’s wrong, and we are about to reap the whirlwind.

    …I think a lot of Americans have guns because they’re fearful—and for damn good reason. They fear a coming chaos, and know that when it happens it will be coming to a nation that no longer coheres. They think it’s all collapsing—our society, our culture, the baseline competence of our leadership class. They see the cultural infrastructure giving way—illegitimacy, abused children, neglect, racial tensions, kids on opioids staring at screens—and, unlike their cultural superiors, they understand the implications.

    Nuts with nukes, terrorists bent on a mission. The grid will go down. One of our foes will hit us, suddenly and hard. In the end it could be hand to hand, door to door. I said some of this six years ago to a famously liberal journalist, who blinked in surprise. If that’s true, he said, they won’t have a chance! But they are Americans, I said. They won’t go down without a fight…
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    — Peggy Noonan, The Culture Of Death – And Of Disdain

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-culture-of-deathand-of-disdain-1507244198

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  • Fri, Oct 06, 2017 - 11:36pm

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    A CONtract without full disclosure

    Debt enslavement and chattel property.

     

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 4:36am

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    Before you blame the betrayers....

    Before you blame the betrayers don’t forget to blame the other 96% of the population who are too stupid and gullable to know they are being betrayed or are too apathetic, too denialist to do anything about it.

    The problem with knowing we are being screwed is that it isn’t up to “us”, its up to the sheeple crowding around us to finally wake up and listen.  Usually by that point things are so bad that broken fingers are the least of our worries.

    The trick for the few truly “aware” is to accept that we are being screwed by a spread of corrupt ideals, practices and beliefs while holding on to the respect and patience necessary to endure it for years on end… until the masses finally revolt.  It is only in revolution (be it through a referendum, election or pitchforks and clubs) that we will see change (good or bad).

    Democracy is after all an inefficient process where change is affected only by the median IQ not by the wisdom of a few geniuses; a very average value that barely hits 3 figures.

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 9:15am

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    Uncletommy

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    Beware of tribalism; a source of betrayal!

    There are ample studies and myriads of examples of what resource scarcity, population pressures and state control have in the situation that the world is currently sliding into. As we hunker down and “bunker down” into our seemingly, cozier, mutually admiring, perceived safer enclaves, we run the risk of developing a fundamentalist mind set that will only lead to general destruction of large swaths of humanity. Our human history is replete with the cyclic “sturm und drang” as the result of forces beyond our comprehension. Whether the Rohingya minorities in Burma or dispossessed Americans or displaced Syrians and north Africans, it all boils down to the same thing: too many organisms questing after a finite resource base. Pick your own theosophical or philosophical motives, it all ends the same way. It takes an astute observer to see through the cultural hype and recognize that tribalism will be the logical result. An offering for consideration:

    http://time.com/4930742/islam-terrorism-islamophobia-violence/

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 9:28am

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    Hmmmmmm

    Agreed, sort of…..

    From where I’m sitting it’s been “IQ” that has brought us here. Sure, some level of cognitive capacity is needed, but it isn’t intellect that the “human being” makes. I’m tempted to try to say what “it” is, but, instead, I’m going to honour my limits and, as Stephen Jenkinson says “sit with it”.

     

     

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 9:52am

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    Not "IQ"

    IQ = Intelligence Quotient

    EQ = Emotional Quotient

    *SQ = Spiritual Quotient

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 10:39am

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    Tribalism

    Uncletommy, I found the attached article to be very disconcerting.

    It seems to me that “hate” is being sold, pushed, and obsessively discussed in the mainstream media almost as an objective to cause angst and violence.  We were offered two candidates in the election and people voted for the one they hated less.  Then conflicts between whites against blacks, national patriots against people’s right to protest.  Now it’s the gun debate due to senseless violence.  There always seems to be someone stirring up a frenzy because hate seems to serve a purpose. And the MSM seems to love a good crisis.  It’s as if there is just one version of “The News” and the official “The News” wants us angry, hateful and scared.

    I find “The News” disgusting these days and tune out more and more.  If our future is Tribalism we are in real trouble as Americans are soft, sickly and ummm, sheeply.  But well armed we are told.

    Would like to get feedback on what our future might look like… any resources you can point me to would be interesting.

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 11:54am

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    Uncletommy

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    If the shoe fits. . .

    Hey, Granny; try this on for size:https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/population-growth-environmental-degradation-and-state-sponsored-violence-the-case-kenya-1991 A very good discussion from the Wilson Centre on examining the factors contributing to our current malaise.

    Ironically, just this afternoon, I happened upon the opera, Wojtek, by Allen Berg, based on the play by Georg Buchner. The opera was produced and staged in 1914. I read a review from the Guardian’s Michael Billington, on the production and gleaned this memorable observation from it;

    This is not merely the first drama to abolish the hierarchy of suffering. It is the first truly modern play, in that it argues our lives are determined by social and environmental circumstance. Büchner expressed it in a letter in 1834: “I despise nobody, least of all because of their intellect or education because nobody can determine not to become a fool or criminal.”

     

    Kind fits in with the comments on I.Q.,eh?

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 1:02pm

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    Warmer 

    Warmer smiley

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 2:41pm

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    iregarding IQ versus judgement

    I think many people of lower IQ or high IQ are capable of making good decisions if they are told the truth. 

    Complex information can be simplified and made understandable by people with very high IQ. 

    It was one of Einstein’s talents.  To state the obvious, people need the correct info and they stand a better chance of making good decisions.   Many are sorely lacking good information.

    “The definition of genius is taking the complex and making it simple.”

    ― Albert Einstein

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 5:35pm

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    what if it really WAS up to you?

    what if the only way to avoid the betrayal, was to find rome spot that you could really camoflage, and tunnel into the ground, and start really fending for yourself as a caveman?

    Of course, if you choose wrong, and somehow the whole society survives and thrive, sooner or later you’ll just be in the way.

    But maybe not.

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 6:49pm

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    Michael_Rudmin wrote:what if

    Michael_Rudmin wrote:

    what if the only way to avoid the betrayal, was to find rome spot that you could really camoflage, and tunnel into the ground, and start really fending for yourself as a caveman?

    My expression of this idea is to take up residence in what I consider to be a soon-to-be-rather-disregarded corner of the Empire (as the center pulls back to fend for itself).  The trick will be to survive the time between that pullback and the time at which local self sufficiency comes about…

    VIVA — Sgaer

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  • Sat, Oct 07, 2017 - 7:34pm

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    it's really very simple

    Good article Chris.  Indeed the betrayal is rampant.  My position on this is that I assume everything a government or large corporate entity tells me is a lie until I can prove it’s the truth.  This is a quite logical position in a world of Luciferian inversion. 

    One correction though on the article.  The woman with the alleged broken fingers was lying and admitted as such.

    I’ve said it in the past and I’ll say it again.  The three Es are important, yes, but they are subsets to the much bigger issue which is a spiritual issue.  We are all eternal spiritual entities living a temporary existence on a physical plane.  You, me, Mother Theresa, and Adolf Hitler.  The acupuncture meridians and chakras the ancients plotted and that can be measured with scientific instruments are physical manifestations of the energy matrix which is your spiritual “body” (or soul or energetic body or astral body or whatever you want to call it).  This is not hocus pocus.  This is science.  Exosomatosis is a real phenomenon which substantiates what I’m saying.  We studied it in the Stargate Project and the Russians studied it as well in their psychic warfare projects.  The books, Evidence for the Afterlife: The Science of Near Death Experiences and The Magus of Strovolos: The Extraordinary World of a Spiritual Healer provide further support for this phenomenon.  The point is, the problems on this planet are ultimately due to spiritual problems, not resource depletion.  Resource depletion is but a symptom of the spiritual problems.  Resolve the spiritual conflicts and the resource depletion problem will fade into insignificance.  

    Following one spiritual rule would change EVERYTHING.  The Golden Rule.  Period.  End of story.

    But one a more tangible and practical level, I think everyone here would benefit reading The Next 100 Years by George Friedman.  It presents a broader view on the past and future than we often get here.  It’s why I moved a portion of my portfolio back into select equities.  Yes, it seems crazy but both George Friedman and Martin Armstrong and some others with a very rational perspective make a very valid case for why equities will continue to rise, at least for the next 5 years or so.  Also, I think Friedman makes a fair case for a future golden age for America (not that it will be easy or trouble free by an means). 

    As a consequence, I’m also deferring claiming my Social Security retirement benefits until age 70 (in 5 1/2 more years).  Both my wife and I are past 60 and, as such, each have a 50% chance of reaching age 90.  Since she will be claiming spousal benefits rather than retirement benefits, each additional year I work will build her benefits as well as mine.  The difference will wind up being about $17K per year as compared to my full retirement age of 66 which is not insignificant.  Since we both have good genes and I am in excellent shape (can swim 2 miles in cold Lake Superior water, can do heavy lifting and physical work, have a blood pressure of 112/68, heart rate in the mid to low 50s (and as low as high 40s with meditation), an athletic BOLT test, “athletic heart and lungs” according to my doctor, no medical problems, and no family history of cancer, I’m betting I’ll be around a long time.  I want to get every penny in SS back from the government that I can, lol.  I realize there are no guarantees and things should change tomorrow but I also realize I’ve penalized myself somewhat with my previous mindset and need to move forward.

    Hope you see fit to print this.

     

      

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 3:06am

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    On a lighter note...

    Word on the street is the source of ignition was  a pair of hastily discarded pants.

    Fire Erupts on Roof of Federal Reserve Building in Manhattan

    Oct 8, 2017

    Dozens of firefighters were fighting a blaze on top of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York on Saturday night, officials say.

    The fire broke out sometime before 8:40 p.m. on the roof of the 14-story building at 33 Liberty St. in Lower Manhattan.

    🙂

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 3:37am

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    SagerXX wrote:My expression

    SagerXX wrote:

    My expression of this idea is to take up residence in what I consider to be a soon-to-be-rather-disregarded corner of the Empire (as the center pulls back to fend for itself).  The trick will be to survive the time between that pullback and the time at which local self sufficiency comes about…

    VIVA — Sgaer

    Part of the “trick” will be to guess correctly regarding location among other issues.

    The situation we are in brings to mind Jeff Goldblum’s explanation of chaos theory in Jurassic Park.  

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 4:37am

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    IQ, EQ, SQ....

    IQ = Idiocy Quotient

    This is what characterize modern time politicians, deep states, bankers, etc… everywhere in the world. The more the system is tweaked to their interest, the more easy it is to them to siphon resources and money, and the smaller the pie is, the more overt they will act and the more stupid things they will do. until KaBoom!

    On a much darker note, the omnipresence of the tiny screen is not helping at all…

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 9:12am

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    Yeah, makes you wonder....

    As they say, you feel like you’re flying, king of the world, as you pass the second floor. Then you hit the ground……

    All the so called progress, a product of IQ…..

    If you really understand the PP PERSPECTIVE, can we really believe that having a human average IQ of 140 WOULD BE A BLESSING? Do you know what I think would be a death sentence for our species (with our current “SQ”)?

     

    UNLIMITED FREE ENERGY!

     

    I can’t think of a worse nightmare………

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 9:51am

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    It does make you wonder

    Pipyman wrote:

    As they say, you feel like you’re flying, king of the world, as you pass the second floor. Then you hit the ground……

    As a species we desperately need to be deeply humbled. Here’s to “hoping” this next banking crisis does just that.

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 12:51pm

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    Why leave out Exxon?

    Why not mention the biggest betrayal of all:

    Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago

    Talking about screwing the younger generation!

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 12:53pm

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    Why leave out Exxon?

    Why not mention the biggest betrayal of all:

    Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago

    Talk about screwing the younger generation, this takes the cake!

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 12:54pm

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    we desperately need to be deeply humbled

    Time2help wrote

    As a species we desperately need to be deeply humbled. Here’s to “hoping” this next banking crisis does just that

    100% right.

    Humility is a matter of consciousness and profound respect toward life.

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 12:59pm

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    Yep

    And as a bonus, you’re less likely to be a total ass at a party………

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 1:56pm

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    Great food for thought.

    Random assortment of mine….

    In such an environment of pervasive betrayal, it’s difficult to maintain any sense of trust.

    In such an environment of pervasive betrayal, it’s important NOT to maintain any sense of trust in those parties.  A naive inability to mistrust authority is one of the biggest blocks to clear thinking that I’ve run across.  I had to outgrow it myself, and it took some emotional work – ongoing, actually.

    It’s great to see the IQ discussion accompanied by awareness of EQ and SQ.  IMHO, the utterly baffling poor performance of human culture has much more to do with missing elements of EQ and SQ than IQ.  Our intelligence and creativity are breathtaking.  I LOVE the human capacity for pure thought. But without wisdom, love, appreciation, empathy, patience, courage, integrity, awareness of consequences and so on we just aren’t up to the task of living well with each other and our home planet. I don’t think that crisis can be relied upon to make humans act smarter.  It will make them stressed, and maybe more awake.  But if the human resources for empathetic problem solving, long-term thinking, fair decisions etc. are not present, we just get horrible scenarios.

    I think we have to decide to develop EQ and SQ skill sets and bring them into the world.  Anyway, that’s what I need to do.

    A big part of that for me is to keep returning to what HAS been trustworthy: planet Earth.  Here I see beauty, constancy, powerful, deep and subtle intelligence.  I see life forms rising from the very soil and  offering their astonishing selves to the functioning of a rich, nourishing biosphere.  Even in a damaged state, the underlying soundness of this place carries us, carries my sanity.  This, I trust.  This is real.  This, I rejoice in. 

    Humans who are in touch with their own underlying soundness and who have practices that bring them back are also a joy to behold.  Trust can live there too, because mistakes can be corrected, or at least reckoned with without breaking the connection.  Thanks for bringing this to the discussion, PP.

    Late fall where I live – big rush to take care of harvest, perennials, winter wood, last-minute building projects and so on.  This summer I doubled my garden size.  So much food!  So much work!  So many exquisite creatures!  The sweet, perfect onions.  3 bushels of peaches from my 5 year old tree (!).  Diligent winter squash plants, growing their heavy fruits to the very last possible minute.  Shiny, shiny eggplants and boxes of cukes.  I’ve canned enough relish to feed the village for sure.  Don’t forget the jars and jars of applesauce!  How about 2 gallons of dehydrated tomato slices, sweet and savory?  A grateful heart, a joy in being here.  A wonder and a love.

    Earth life is trauma and confusion.  Earth life is bliss and gratitude.  I’ll try to keep up!

    Susan

     

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 2:01pm

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    Window

    Some of us live so close to the ground floor that we don’t get to fly until we hit the ground.  It’s just a step out the window.

    There are advantages to a lifetime of turning a nuckle into a dime and living close to the edge.

    AKGrannyWGrit

     

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 3:08pm

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    re: Great food for thought.

    Susan,

    Thanks!

    I’ll try to keep up

    Yes, we will keep up. Our choice.

     

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 5:35pm

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    PHD CANDIDATES OR PARROTS?

    Aloha! Earlier today I read a comment from a PhD candidate at Duke who called the current administration “fascist”. What was his major? History! The sad reality of a failed education system that can’t even tell the difference between Trump and Hitler. The Nazi hallmark was violence and rigged elections underpinned with propaganda of a new world order and ample helpings of scapegoating the perceived lesser beings. Who is violent? Who rigged a nomination? Who talks incessantly about a new order? Who has assigned middle America as the fly-by deplorables? We are seeing Trump as the byproduct of the most corrupt two party system.

    The problem is there has never been a new world order … only the 1% and the 99%. No matter capitalism or communism or the compromise of socialist democracy the 1% is always on top. The 1% always owns the military and the 1% always owns the media.

    Perhaps the generational war will be waged by those naive enough to major in history at Duke. The brainwashing of liberalist colleges, liberalist government jobs, liberalist media and liberalist rich will deservedly become the target of the angry millennium mobs who finally wake up to their indebted servitude. Not unlike the servitude their parents are chained to. If it all works to the plan of some divine interventionist then the millennials and the boomers would join forces. One generation to fund the other in total all out karmic revenge.

    Lets visit 1% diversity in the media …

    The 1% reality!

    Mostly shown laughing all the way to their bank!

    Ditto for top government!

    Ditto for the industrial and military complex!

    Hook, line and sinker …

     

     

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 6:02pm

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    From one chick to the other:

    The content of you character speaks for itself over and over again!The depth of your life speaks for itself over and over again.I see and honor you over again…The Contessa from the Cape…

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  • Sun, Oct 08, 2017 - 10:14pm

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    herewego wrote: A big part

    herewego wrote:

    A big part of that for me is to keep returning to what HAS been trustworthy: planet Earth.  Here I see beauty, constancy, powerful, deep and subtle intelligence.  I see life forms rising from the very soil and  offering their astonishing selves to the functioning of a rich, nourishing biosphere.  Even in a damaged state, the underlying soundness of this place carries us, carries my sanity.  This, I trust.  This is real.  This, I rejoice in. 

    Beautiful.  Thanks.

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  • Mon, Oct 09, 2017 - 9:28am

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    This really spoke to me

    At least on 2 levels:

    1.  As you all know, I have lots of emotional energy on this network of lies.  Deep bitterness. Fury.  Fury at both the liars and those who cannot see the lies despite great intelligence. 

    It helped me to name the feelings.  Thank you to Chris and the community here who are able to talk this out.

    2.  Dimitry Orlov’s post (quoted by Chris above) also really spoke to me.  It is not just “a lie” but an entire “tissue of lies.”  A network of linked, false understandings.

    Paradigm shifts are difficult because a whole network of assumed truths are shaken down at the same time.  This seems to be prohibitively difficult for many, even those of great intelligence.

     

     

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  • Mon, Oct 09, 2017 - 9:36am

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    About that fury...

    sand_puppy wrote:

    At least on 2 levels:

    1.  As you all know, I have lots of emotional energy on this network of lies.  Deep bitterness. Fury.  Fury at both the liars and those who cannot see the lies despite great intelligence. 

    I can’t remember exactly where I saw it recently, except it was on Facebook, where somebody commented; “My friend recently told me ‘you seem angry a lot’ to which I replied ‘No, I am infuriated.  Big difference.” 

    If you are not infuriated by what’s going on right now, you are not paying attention.  The good part about such an emotion is that it provides plenty of energy to get the job done, whatever that job is.

    So embrace the fury!  

    It’s one of the gifts of our time.

     

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  • Mon, Oct 09, 2017 - 12:59pm

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    And when things go kinetic...

    you’re going to need a reservoir of rage deep inside on which to draw when you have to physically fight for your life.  I fear we can’t all avoid those situations forever, just the lucky ones.  If you don’t have such an easily tapped reservoir of rage, you’ll either be passive or not respond quickly enough when faced with an immediate threat to your life.  Both passivity and delay (trying to figure out what the right thing to do is) will lead to your death or serious bodily injury.

    In Kipling’s poem below, it might be helpful in this light for us (who clearly see the coming days of rage) to identify with Kipling’s “Saxons.” Realizing of course that the hate of which he speaks is really a rage that fires one’s soul and actions when finally backed into a corner from which there is no escape except through those who would take our freedom, wealth and very lives.  It would behoove us to have mentally, emotionally and spiritually worked out all the angles before we find ourselves backed into a corner with no escape.

    THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON
    by Rudyard Kipling

    It was not part of their blood,

    It came to them very late,

    With long arrears to make good,

    When the Saxon began to hate.

    They were not easily moved,

    They were icy — willing to wait

    Till every count should be proved,

    Ere the Saxon began to hate.

    Their voices were even and low.

    Their eyes were level and straight.

    There was neither sign nor show

    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not preached to the crowd.

    It was not taught by the state.

    No man spoke it aloud

    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.

    It will not swiftly abate.

    Through the chilled years ahead,

    When Time shall count from the date

    That the Saxon began to hate.

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  • Mon, Oct 09, 2017 - 5:57pm

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    hey Sandpuppy

    “… a whole network of assumed truths are shaken down at the same time.”

    I call that the House of Cards. 

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  • Sun, Oct 15, 2017 - 10:32am

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    Rage is not your friend

    When dealing with con artists, either interpersonally or politically, rage is NOT your friend — long term.

    Most people relate to them from an emotional position, after being charmed, lied to and then sunpbsequently betrayed, be it politically or otherwise. Normal people will rage, cry, and those hot emotions becomes fuel for…more of the same. 

    You must give yourself time to heal from the realization of deep political abuse…and then quietly map your strategy to bring them to their knees.  The most important question to ask, for example, is…what does the political animal serving corporations want, more than anything?  They want compliance and consumption.  They can get both, no matter how many guns you buy. You are more likely to kill each other than make a dint in profit margins. 

    But if you cease shopping at Wal Mart and opt out of the system every way you can, you will slowly starve the beast. Every time you purchase locally and eschew the beast you are pulling the trigger and aiming it squarely at its deceptive, evil heart.  

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  • Mon, Oct 16, 2017 - 8:41am

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    Sometimes Rage is Just Right

    Video from the New Years Eve celebration in Cologne Germany shows one of the many instances of the “rape game” where a crowd of young ME men isolate a woman and drag her away to be gang raped.  The men at the outside of the crowd hide the activity at the center.

    The “game” portion is that the gang raping is being done in public.

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  • Mon, Oct 16, 2017 - 10:52am

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    SP, I think he was saying...

    … “The composure of an army is the anger of a nation .” (G. K. Chesterton, The man who was Thursday”).

    what he’s saying is that reall intense rage in an army requires composure.

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  • Mon, Oct 16, 2017 - 11:42am

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    Time2help

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  • Mon, Oct 16, 2017 - 11:45am

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    Rage particularly fool hardy where race religion is involved

    Sand puppy– Rage, particularly over hot button issues can and will be used against entire races and cultures.  These videos are very alarming–and there are so many like this on YouTube now. Breitbart sure likes them.  Steve Bannon calls Breitbart “Israel’s best friend,” in a recent interview with Charlie Rose.  Note how the alt right is much more focussed on the evils of Islam while they have totally dropped the ball on Israel?

    Try to source the video to see if it actually occurred in Europe, for starters.  

    Many Islamic countries have been struggling to exit medievalism for quite some time.  Those that show any success (Lebanon) are bombed right back into fanaticism by Israel, or Arab Sprung back to fundamentalism, as a survival strategy.

    Poverty and war require very strong family ties and the presentation of a strong face or facade to the world. Women are required to be ‘safe guarded’ from the outer world in an attempt to hold it all together.  I find it repulsive too, but understand the dynamics .

    Another thing to bare in mind is the effect of violent pornography, (and mich of it is) coming out of the Western world, on Islamic people.  And..it’s not just then, many young men think women like rough sex and then act it out on their girlfriends.  Do a Ted Talks search for this phenomenon.  It’s really horrifying.  

    Anyway, rage aside, it is easier to understand and it limits hatred  because we all know who want sus to hate Muslim people, right??

     

     

     

     

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  • Mon, Oct 16, 2017 - 11:51am

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    To me, it seems more like

    To me, it seems more like taking a stick of dynamite and blowing apart a resilient self reassembling house of cards that should have collapsed after Kennedy was assassinated. 

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  • Mon, Oct 16, 2017 - 2:43pm

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    Alas, I think you are right Agitating Prop

    I can see how my fury (though very legitimate) could be deliberately triggered and then used as a handle to redirected my efforts against a target that might not actually be the main mover of the drama.  Sigh.

    Deception is so commonly used in military operations that is considered the norm.  One example was the invasion of Normandy in 1943.  General Patton was tasked with deceiving the Germans into moving armaments away from the Normandy beaches to Calaise.  The deception was itself a complex military operation called Operation Fortitude.  

    “…[Operation] Fortitude utilized a mix of double agents, fake radio traffic, and the creation of fictitious units to mislead the Germans.  The largest fake formation created was the First US Army Group under the leadership of Lieutenant General George S. Patton.  Ostensibly based in southeastern England opposite Calais, the ruse was supported by the construction of dummy buildings, equipment, and landing craft near likely embarkation points. These efforts proved successful and German intelligence remained convinced that the main invasion would come at Calais even after landings commenced in Normandy.”

    And of course deception is used in basketball, lacrosse, football, soccer, tennis, fencing, ping-pong, judo, poker, chess, checkers, marketing, politics, business, sales and pretty much any human endeavor where people are pitted against each other for advantage.

    A successful deception gives advantage to a more intelligent player.

    And the derision of “conspiracy theories” (the belief that deception is in play) is a further application of deception.  Those who can be convinced that no deception is being used are especially easy to deceive. 

    “Be stupid.  And believe that this feint is truth.”

     

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  • Mon, Oct 16, 2017 - 3:34pm

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    They're Baaaa-aack

     

    It looks like the Neocon’s are getting another chance to continue “cauldronizing” the Middle East.

    Ron Paul today:  Trump And Iran: Have The Neocons Won? 

    President Trump’s Iran policy speech on Friday was riddled with errors — the kinds of errors the neocons have been peddling for more than a decade. He did not out and out cancel the US participation in the Iran nuclear deal with claims that Iran has violated the agreement. Everyone knows — and it has been repeatedly certified — that Iran has not violated the terms of the 2015 agreement. Instead he claimed that Iran is not living up to the spirit of the agreement and punted the issue down to Congress — against the advice of most of his senior staff. Will Washington’s allies follow suit? Will the deal fall apart? What will Iran do if it is no longer bound by the nuclear-limiting treaty? Will President Trump follow his neocon whisperers down the path that George W. Bush followed in 2003 — to war? 

    And David Stockman:  Stockman Slams the ‘Deep States” Bogus Iranian Threat

    In a word, the whole notion that Iran is a national security threat and state sponsor of terrorism is just as bogus as the Russian meddling story or the claim that the chain of events resulting from the coup d’ etat fostered by Washington on the streets of Kiev in February 2014 is evidence of Russian expansionism and aggression.

    Likewise, it’s part of the same tissue of lies which led to Washington’s massive, destructive and counterproductive interventions in Syria and Libya — when neither regime posed an iota of threat to the safety and security of the American homeland.

    To the contrary, all of these false narratives are the cover stories which justify the Warfare State’s massive draw on the nation’s broken finances.

    Iran has actually never attacked a single foreign nation in modern history whereas Washington has chosen to unilaterally intervene in or arm virtually every surrounding country in the region.

    ———————-

    The Saker:  Trump Collects his 30 Silver Shekels

    Robert Perry:  How Netanyahu Pulls Trumps Strings

    Robert Perry:  Fake Arguments for Killing the Iran Nuclear Deal

    Mohammad Sahimi:  Deconstructing Neoconservatives Manifesto For War With Iran

    MJ Rosenberg: Neocons:  Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran

    Robert Perry:  US Neoconservatives:  Seeking War to the End of the World

    HuffPro:  Why do the “Bomb Iran” Neocons want Israel Dead?  

     

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  • Mon, Oct 16, 2017 - 5:07pm

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    Wait, what?

    Jack: Well, then, I confess: It is my intention to commandeer one of these ships, pick up a crew in Tortuga, raid, pillage, plunder and otherwise pilfer me weaselly black guts out.
    Murtogg: I said no lies!
    Mullroy: I think he’s telling the truth.
    Murtogg: If he were telling the truth, he wouldn’t have told us.
    Jack: Unless of course he knew you wouldn’t believe the truth, even if he told you.

    [Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl]

    or

    Asuka: Anyway, how did you do that earlier?
    Shinji: In situations where denial or dishonesty is expected, the truth can often be dismissed as fabrication. Control of a situation is not just based off what you do, but what others expect you to do.
    Asuka: You… lied by telling the truth?
    Shinji: Think of it like pretending to make a feint in combat. If your opponent expects you to feint, if you follow through then the expected strike was the lie while the feint was a real attack.
    Asuka: Okay, that makes a bit more sense when put into those terms.

    [Thousand Shinji]

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Quotes/SarcasticConfession

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  • Mon, Oct 16, 2017 - 5:16pm

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    Wow!DennisC   You have

    Wow!

    DennisC

     

    You have nailed it!

     

     

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  • Mon, Oct 16, 2017 - 6:54pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Time to Move On

    In the movie Eddie and the Cruisers one of the members of the defunct band, Wordman is trying to convince the former bass player, Sallie to get back together.

    Wordman ; We can do it Sallie

    Sallie; Wordman ; Guys like you and me? They discover oil under our garden? All we get is dead tomatoes.

    There are only so many ways and times you can have the same discussion before you realize the futility. It is obvious some are not there yet. The forces arrayed against you have been at it for centuries. Your rage will change nothing.

    https://www.amazon.com/Screwing-Average-man-richer-poorer/dp/0553129139

     

     

     

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  • Tue, Oct 17, 2017 - 8:29am

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    Dimitry Orlov: Sailing the Sea of Hubris

    SP- While I don’t necessarily have a problem with Dimitry’s post, I was reminded of why I don’t follow him when I read his responses to a couple of comments:

    If we abandon mechanized agriculture (which we’ll have to once fossil fuels are finished) we’ll find that we can’t grow enough food without the help of ruminants—horses especially. And letting an animal suffer or go to waste is both disrespectful and stupid. Plus we depend on the services of obligatory carnivores—dogs and cats. So, meat will remain on the menu for as long as humans survive. As far as the “feeding enough people” canard the solution will emerge naturally; it’s called a die-off, and it’s what happens to every species that exceeds the carrying capacity of their environment. The problem isn’t that we’ve been eating meat; it’s that we’ve been eating fossil fuels. Less fossil fuels will naturally result in a smaller population. As far as critiques of “patriarchy”—that’s the sort of ideology I certainly have no time for.

    It always amazes me how commenters (especially on the public, non-subscriber site) somehow manage to completely ignore what I write and shoot straight for the weeds, here yammering on about meat, patriarchy, dead old Engels and, lo and behold, treating the Bible as if it were a historical treatise and the mythology of a marginal and decidedly weird little desert tribe as if it were the crux of human progress. But do feel free to march into battle under the banner of veganism, though people may laugh at you.

    I understand the eating fossil fuel comment and his Bible comment. I take issue with denigrating someone who is a vegan and his implication that only smart people pay for his content. Also, while horses may be necessary for farming grains, they are not necessary for much else. My wife and I grew more this past year on our 1/4 acre city lot than we can eat in a year and we haven’t converted much of the property from crabgrass to garden yet. As far as dogs and cats go, the accounts of collapse that I’ve read indicate that they mysteriously disappear in the earlier stages… Also, in these times it is perfectly acceptable to turn a critical eye to the subject of patriarchy.

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  • Tue, Oct 17, 2017 - 8:25pm

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    Time2help

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    Coming soon.

    To a home near you. Quite possibly your own.

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  • Wed, Oct 18, 2017 - 5:32pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    It is here now

     

    Depending on the neighborhood you live in , Ferguson, Charlotte, etc. it is here now. Isreal is considered our closest ally, yet in reality they own us

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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