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    Best Practices For Preventing & Treating Covid-19

    What have we learned after fighting this virus for more than half a year?
    by Adam Taggart

    Friday, August 7, 2020, 9:22 AM

Given all that we know after our months of intensively tracking the coronavirus pandemic, what are the best ways to prevent & treat it?

1) Everyone should invest in boosting the “terrain” of their own body’s health. Boost your intake of Vitamins D & C, eat healthy, get plenty of rest, and avoid stress.

2) Everyone should wear a mask, practice social distance, and get tested asap if exposure or illness is suspected. At-risk people deserve extra precautionary protections.

3) If exposed or in initial sickness stages, administer HCQ+ within 2 days or sooner of symptoms onset.

4) If symptoms progress, switch to administering the MATH+ cocktail.

5) If symptoms worsen further, deliver advanced therapeutic support, ideally in a hospital setting.

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  • Fri, Aug 07, 2020 - 2:37pm

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    westcoastjan

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    Further helpful tips

    This article well worth the short read. It is complimentary what Chris posits, while adding a few other helpful tips with respect to diet and supplements that are beneficial in SC2 prevention, as well as for other reasons.

    Fermented Foods May Lower Your Risk of COVID-19 Death

     

     

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  • Fri, Aug 07, 2020 - 5:09pm

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    Base12

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    I went through kind of the same journey as Chris with my view of lockdowns and the virus. 

    We already owned land with an orchard and a cabin I built myself, much of it from trees I cut on the land.  Planted an orchard years ago.  All the meat in my full deep freeze is from a local farmer.  Back in February I bought N95 masks before it was cool, thanks to this website.  Was prepared to go to the cabin if what i thought was a 3% IFR virus made it here.

    Then in late March / early April I was quarantined for two weeks.  Didn't have the virus (I think), but had traveled to a "hot spot".  Only left the house twice to buy perishables from the grocery store.  Already had a full pantry.  Gave me a lot of time to research.  Some stuff wasn't making sense.  The age profile of victims wasn't what I expected.  Non lockdown states didn't seem any different from lockdown states regarding cases or deaths.

    My aha moments came in late April and early May with two events.  One was the rash of serology testing showing the virus was much more widespread, and therefore less dangerous, than thought.  The second was a personal experience when mine and my brothers kids were in tears because we told them they still couldn't play together.  We got together and said this is just ridiculous.  Lack of social interaction isn't cost-less, especially for children.

    Now we haven't held huge parties, practice social distancing in public to keep from getting a large inoculation, are overall a healthy family, get plenty of vitamin D, and keep a smaller circle of friends.  But, with the mounting evidence of the futility of lockdowns and most other NPIs my life has been pretty much back to normal since.

    I had a few doubts about this approach when evidence began to mount of serious, long term, non fatal side effects, but the virus is here. Society could delay the timing of it more and more by increasingly draconian changes in lifestyle, but the virus will find its way to every vulnerable person either during the big wave or the slow burn afterward.

    Think about it, the virus is endemic now.  Countries and people face the same range of choices.  New Zealand has virtually no cases now but may never be able to lift it's quarantine rules.  How long do you wait for a vaccine that may never come?  Do you stay virtually cut off from the rest of the world indefinitely?  Sweden, and some US states chose not to lock down.  It started off looking suicidal but is looking more and more pragmatic as the evidence rolls in.  I do feel sorry for the people and places (NYC, Italy, Wuhan) that never got a choice.  The virus sunk it's teeth in before they new what hit them.

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  • Fri, Aug 07, 2020 - 9:21pm

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    green_achers

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    PP Mask?

    Instead of a T-shirt, I would buy a mask that says, "It didn't have to be this way." Preferably that ties in the back instead of with ear loops, because those just don't work with hearing aids.

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  • Fri, Aug 07, 2020 - 11:17pm

    Grayman

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    NZ plays a lonnnnnnng game

    New Zealand will lift their quarantine when the rest of the world is dead. Simple.

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  • Sat, Aug 08, 2020 - 1:32am

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    NZ doing OK through covid....

    Our balance of payments is better than last year, which is good news overall ( at bottom )

    But the tourism industry is taking a huge hit.

    Day to day life is so normal the Govt is worried about complacency.

    Govt is hosing money around to affected sectors running up huge debts.

    On the funny side the US issued a travel advisory re travel to NZ due to our 23 active cases of covid!!!! Does not seem to catch on that all of them are in managed isolation having caught it overseas......

    However we are having our scares, people breaking out of isolation. They get rounded up pretty quick but so far no security guards sleeping with the people in isolation and catching and spreading like in Australia !

    ""

    New Zealand's trade surplus widened to NZD 426 million in June of 2020 from NZD 330 million in the same month of the previous year. Exports increased NZD 107 million (or 2.2 percent) to NZD 5.1 billion, led by a 7.9 percent jump in sales of milk powder, butter and cheese. Meanwhile, imports were little changed (up 0.2 percent or NZD 11 million) to NZD 4.6 billion. The response to the pandemic was visible in the data, as NZD 44 million worth of face masks were exported (up 146 percent)"""

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  • Sat, Aug 08, 2020 - 3:42am

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    Recovered cases

    Chris, thank you again for the work you have done, I started to watch your videos since late January. I don't think I missed one. Your integrity is such a rare beacon in this crisis.

    Is it just me , or is the US has an abnormally low number of recovered cases? Considering we have Remdesivir and the best healthcare system in the world.

    JJ-

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  • Sat, Aug 08, 2020 - 7:13am

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    Chris' CCP/authoritarian apologetics

    As YT commenter Claudia Anderson said: "I can't believe you are praising China for its methods of containing the virus. Do you have any idea how brutally they have handled their population? Do you know the level of incompetence they have demonstrated in their testing???"

    I concur with her, it is simply OUTRAGEOUS. Aside from the apologetics of the planet's largest communist crime gang... where's that ever-relevant Benjamin Franklin quote again? Oh yes, here it is:

    “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

    The disappearing/killing of whisteblowers, whose early messages could've potentially saved who knows how many thousands of lives, is that OK too?

    Unbelievable authoritarian bullshit going on in Australia too, will you praise that also??

    I sincerely hope, Chris, that you never have to live under a totalitarian crime gang, forcing you to appreciate in a much more in-your-face way the trade-offs (between freedom and "security") that are happening... I guess you're already moving rapidly towards that though, possibly even if Trump wins again.

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  • Sat, Aug 08, 2020 - 7:59am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Ol Ben

    I see that Ben Franklin quote a lot. Here is a little historical background on it.

    https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/14/how-the-world-butchered-benjamin-franklins-quote-on-liberty-vs-security/

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  • Sat, Aug 08, 2020 - 8:47am

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    Solarado

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    As easy as X, Y, Z?

    I think what threw a lot of us for a loop with Chris' previous video was the abrupt proposition that herd immunity might already be upon us.  One of our working assumptions has been that this is a "novel" coronavirus, and that we have no built-in immunity.  Positing this percentage, X, to be at 30% in this new video (or 45% in Wednesday's comment section), and then throwing on another 40% (25% in Chris' Wednesday comment) for rapid immunity without B-cell antibodies, the Y in the equation, seemed quite the leap.  We're aiming for 80% to achieve herd immunity, and it's like someone just handed us 70% for free!  I know this is just a hypothesis, but it was jarring.  We all await whether some recent upticks are just anomalies in the remaining slow burn or the beginning of true second waves.  I am cautiously staying tuned!

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  • Sat, Aug 08, 2020 - 10:33am

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    One more factor. W, X, Y, Z theory?

    Perhaps some people are very good at isolating themselves, and at using PPE and sanitation technology, thus essentially removing themselves from the pool of people who might catch covid-19. Of course those same people are probably taking plenty of vitamin D, zinc and other nutrients, thus making it even less likely that they will succumb to the disease. These individuals constitute another pool (call them "W", perhaps?) who are effectively removed from the population of likely covid victims, in the same way as X (T-cell immunity), Y (very mild cases) and Z (B-cell immunity).

    Meanwhile, the disease victims are drawn from the group of people who not only aren't immune, but also aren't able to effectively isolate themselves. That is, health care workers, grocery store clerks, postal and shipping employees, factory and food processing plant employees, students forced back to school, and so forth, as well as those who are simply careless.

    Here in Lane County, Oregon, we went through a 1st wave in March and April, and now we've had a 2nd wave in June and July that seems to be winding down. Yet the total number of known cases is only 570, out of 400,000 population in the county.

    During the 2nd wave, testing and contact tracing have both been excellent. Almost 44,000 individuals have been tested, more than 10% of the entire population. The positivity rate is just over 1%, and about 70% of known cases have been traced epidemiologically. So it's hard to believe that many cases have been missed in this second wave.

    It seems to me that W, the number of people who have successfully self-isolated in our county with its low population density, must be large. But another wave might be coming if classes start in September, and students return to the University of Oregon.

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/lane.county#!/vizhome/LaneCountyOregonCOVID-19CaseVisualizations-withPhoneLayouts/CurrentStatusDashboard

    Lane County covid cases

     

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  • Sat, Aug 08, 2020 - 6:24pm

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    Disjointed

    I'd already commented on Chris's previous video. I had a few more thoughts beyond the apparent cherry picking of data and possibly not checking the data he did use.

    When the WHO say there may be no silver bullet ever, this is simply what Chris had been suggesting for some time but now, because the WHO has agreed with him, he now has changed his position, just to avoid agreeing with the WHO. At least that's how it seems.

    He also mentioned "superspreaders" as though they were a different species of human, rather than the odd individual whose behaviour whilst they (knowingly, sometimes) were infectious caused widespread further infection. I can't see how this won't continue if the virus is given free rein.

    Spain is seeing a second wave, contrary to the hypothesis. So, all in all, a very weak argument given by Chris this time, IMO.

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  • Sun, Aug 09, 2020 - 7:56am

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    Don't trust any official data from Spain

    @Mohammed Mast
    I see that Ben Franklin quote a lot. Here is a little historical background on it.
    https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/14/how-the-world-butchered-benjamin-franklins-quote-on-liberty-vs-security/

    The author of the article is himself an ideologue from Silicon Valley, trying to portray Franklin as a spokesperson for far-left ideas, and he gets deconstructed by commenters beneath the article, especially by David Brick. Another commenter summarized it best: "Thank you David, that was a lucid counter argument to what I also thought was a ridiculous contortion of Franklin's quote. I reread this TC article three times, but could not grasp any element of logic supporting the assertion." And in fact the actual quote I gave is exactly the same except for capitalizations: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"... which holds true in a modern context regardless of what the original context may have been.

    @sofistek
    Spain is seeing a second wave, contrary to the hypothesis. So, all in all, a very weak argument given by Chris this time, IMO.

    LOL, no, the only wave Spain is seeing is a government and MSM crime wave, where they're constantly fear-mongering to try to get people to voluntarily get tested, increasing the amount of testing by the day, then not reporting the number of tests, and reporting the positive tests as "cases" even though the vast majority are asymptomatic and only about 1 person has died allegedly from Covid in the last 2 weeks and the hospital ICUs are empty yet people can't get treatment for anything or even get an appointment with their doctor without first getting a PCR test and isolating at home until they receive the results.

     

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  • Sun, Aug 09, 2020 - 3:20pm

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    CT

    I wish we could avoid conspiracy theories in reasoned discussions. Not that governments and elites don't sometimes manipulate situations for their own ends but some people see subterfuge in everything they dislike.

    Of course, there are problems with the data in most countries (some worse than others) but no-one has some inside line to the "real" data. If we can't use official data for reasoned discussion, then we may as well just have a free-for-all of wild personal opinions. Nothing is to be gained by that.

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  • Sun, Aug 09, 2020 - 7:10pm

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    Can we ever chose to do things because they are hard again?

    "there is a deep connection between the botched U.S. response to COVID-19 and the half-century absence of astronauts on the moon. They are both case studies in the difference between potentiality and actuality — between what we can do, and what we choose to do."

    https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/what-we-can-do-and-what-we-choose-to-do?utm_source=Yesmail&utm_medium=email&[email protected]&utm_campaign=News0_DSC_200809_000000_COVID19

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  • Sun, Aug 09, 2020 - 9:41pm

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    cases-only second wave

    tbp is correct.  Spain is seeing very few deaths.  4 people have died in the last 4 days, with 9000 new cases.  Over the last 10 days, 60 people have died, for 28,932 new cases.

    Are hospitals overflowing in Spain?  That's a lot of new cases.  I look for stories to that effect - none.  All of them are dated from March.

    Spain's "second wave" feels a whole lot like Sweden's "second wave", which resulted in no spike in the death rate.  Contrast that with what happened in Arizona, where deaths spiked right along with cases.  Seems like it is probably just an artifact of a better testing effort.

    Here's the data we don't have: "number of tests conducted."  Without this number, you have no idea what the "cases" line means.

     

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  • Sun, Aug 09, 2020 - 11:03pm

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    Deaths and cases

    Deaths lag cases by two to three weeks. Chris has made this clear in the past.

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  • Sun, Aug 09, 2020 - 11:06pm

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    Time to Recalibrate your TrustOmeter

    I wish we could avoid conspiracy theories in reasoned discussions. Not that governments and elites don't sometimes manipulate situations for their own ends but some people see subterfuge in everything they dislike.

    ”sometimes manipulate for their own ends”

    LOL.  That is the norm not the exception, awake up and smell the agenda driven propaganda.

    ”Of course, there are problems with the data in most countries (some worse than others) but no-one has some inside line to the "real" data. If we can't use official data for reasoned discussion, then we may as well just have a free-for-all of wild personal opinions. Nothing is to be gained by that”

    And yet time and again it can be shown that data and statistics are misrepresented, intentionally falsified and misinterpreted both intentionally and accidentally in this  as well as  almost all other domains with political and economic significance and repercussions.

    We are awash in subterfuge and yes, conspiracies  Good luck trusting the “authorities” (scientific or otherwise) with the data.

    That’s the primary benefit of reasoned discussion on this forum, the presentation and evaluation of alternative data sets, viewpoints, interpretations, interpolations and extrapolations to hopefully arrive at a more accurate view than the agenda driven malfeasance that passes for authoritative truth.

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  • Sun, Aug 09, 2020 - 11:54pm

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    deaths lag cases

    sofistek-

    While Spain's chart is all messed up, the Netherlands had a case spike start at roughly the same time as Spain.  That spike started more than 4 weeks ago. Are deaths lagging cases by 4 weeks in the Netherlands too?

    I suspect the non-vulnerable are deciding to leave the bunker and live life.  And some are catching COVID, but they are not dying.  Or maybe they wear masks and get a smaller initial viral load.  And almost certainly the testing has improved - more people get tested today than 2 months ago; we have no idea how many tests were run vs 2 months ago.

    So with all these factors, it is hard to say.  But: "no change in deaths = no second wave."

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 3:48am

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    Alternative data sets

    mm, I'm all for looking at alternative data sets. What are they and why are they more reliable? I don't "trust" official data but I'm not sure what else we have to go on. Even excess mortality rates are becoming less useful as restrictions also restrict some mortalities that would otherwise occur.

    Dave, good point. The previous graph you showed wouldn't have yet showed the death response to new cases but I might have expected a death response in the Netherland's data by now. Of course, there is always the possibility that better treatments have attenuated that response. Perhaps the best we can say is that the case increase as of 3 weeks ago has only stopped the fall in the death rate, rather than increased it. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 12:04pm

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    HCQ sources

    Chris, can you or a public commentator post a list of all generic non-prescription sources for the purchase of HCQ?  In my area every doctor is afraid to even mention the word let alone prescribe it for fear of medical board censure.  As a result I've fired my personal physician and am engaged in a regional search for a replacement.

    Canadian pharmacies have it in stock but  will not disperse without a prescription. As is the case with UK pharmacies. I'm currently awaiting a shipment from India but am starting to believe they used a slow boat  instead of air freight!

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 1:28pm

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    HCQ

    70% of HCQ comes from India. If you ordered from Indiamart it will take at least 4 weeks. It takes very little time to get to the US but it takes forever to get through customs.

    There are lots of dermatological uses for HCQ. You can check with the Dermo's in your area. Try to get a doc to prescribe it for a Canadian pharmacy. His/Her name will not be in the data base here then.

    Good luck

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 1:53pm

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    HCQ India

    ordered in March... refund received in June.... letter from customs received in July with big warning not to buy this shit... it seems to be illegal...

    ordered CQ in China, received 10 days later. On the package they declared "electronics" USD 5,00

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 2:52pm

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    Overnight delivery

    If you are sick you can contact https://speakwithanmd.com

    Respond same day and sendout for overnight delivery

     

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 3:32pm

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    Thors Hammer said:

    Dutch,

    Further proof (as if we needed any) that the practice of medicine in the US is an organized criminal activity.

    https://hcqtrial.com/

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 3:38pm

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    My HCQ spent three week in US Customs

    Thor:

    My shipment of HCQ from IndiaMart.com was shipped two days after I ordered it and spent 3 weeks in US Customs, before being safely delivered to my door--one month to the day after I ordered it.

    I don't know how long yours has taken, but this may be a time to exercise patience.

    Bruce

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 3:42pm

    Thors Hammer

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    Thors Hammer said:

    No, Dr. Dale

    The time for patience has passed.  It's time to bring out the pitchforks.

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 3:59pm

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    Chuck in Belize said:

    I would have to agree with Thor and his hammer.

    Patience is a virtue - but only for so long.
    After that .. not so much.

    And as Monty Python famously said,
    "Don't take me. I'm not dead yet."

    My HCQ spent 3 minutes in the take-out window.

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 4:04pm

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    disgusting person

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    This is more than interesting

    This doctor worked at the Ft. Belvoir laboratories and explains all you need to know about Dr Fauci and the development of Covid19 scientifically but understandable. Kerry Cassidy is an excellent interviewer.

    https://phibetaiota.net/2020/08/kerry-cassidy-interviews-judy-mikovitz-a-force-to-be-reckoned-with/

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 4:39pm

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    HCQ on the Way

    following information found here we have ordered from two India sources last week .....both reported order shipped NOW to wait

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 6:19pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Must be nice

    To live in a free country

     

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  • Tue, Aug 11, 2020 - 4:44am

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    What I meant--and where to get HCQ from India

    Hi Thor:

    I meant patience in getting your HCQ through US Customs from India...at least you can get it that way.

    Blueberry just asked which supplier I used in India. Here is the link to the supplier I used...they have HCQ available without prescription in 5 different dosages/forms.

    https://www.indiamart.com/saenterprises-nagpur/search.html?ss=hydroxychloroquine

    As far as pitchforks go, I have two (I use lots of mulch) and I just finished sharpening both. 🙂

    Bruce

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  • Tue, Aug 11, 2020 - 7:18am

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    tbp

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    tbp said:

    You can also get HCQ on Aliexpress.

    @sofistek
    I wish we could avoid conspiracy theories in reasoned discussions. Not that governments and elites don't sometimes manipulate situations for their own ends but some people see subterfuge in everything they dislike.

    Of course, there are problems with the data in most countries (some worse than others) but no-one has some inside line to the "real" data. If we can't use official data for reasoned discussion, then we may as well just have a free-for-all of wild personal opinions. Nothing is to be gained by that.

    So not trusting CCP data is a "conspiracy theory"? Or are you making some unfounded assumption about Spain (still) being a democracy? You can use early Spain data like most other countries, but not any new data. For China even the early data is useless.

    I don't "trust" official data but I'm not sure what else we have to go on.

    Sometimes it's better to not use suspect data and stick to least suspect data.

     

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  • Tue, Aug 11, 2020 - 8:26am

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    reply to--it must be nice

    It's been so long since I've lived in a free country that I can't even remember what it was like.  Now even the illusion of freedom is being stripped away.

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  • Tue, Aug 11, 2020 - 7:46pm

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    EVMS Critical Care Covid-19 Management protocol

    This is rather important document:
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    EVMS Critical Care COVID-19 Management Protocol

    https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

     

    Two paragraphs quoted:

    I. Prophylaxis
    While there is extremely limited data, the following “cocktail” may have a role in the
    prevention/mitigation of COVID-19 disease. It should however be noted that a recent publication
    suggests that melatonin my reduce the risk of COVID-19 infection.[1] This cocktail is cheap, safe, and
    widely available.
    • Vitamin C 500 mg BID (twice daily) and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID [2-8]
    • Zinc 50-75 mg/day (elemental zinc). Zinc lozenges are preferred. After 1 month, reduce the
    dose to 30-50 mg/day. [2,9-13]
    • Melatonin (slow release): Begin with 0.3mg and increase as tolerated to 2 mg at night [1,14-17]
    • Vitamin D3 2000-4000 u/day [18-25]
    • Optional: Famotidine 20-40 mg/day [26]

    II. Symptomatic patients (at home):
    • Vitamin C 500 mg BID and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID
    • Zinc 75-100 mg/day (elemental zinc)
    • Melatonin 6-12 mg at night (the optimal dose is unknown)
    • Vitamin D3 2000-4000 u/day
    • ASA 81 -325 mg/day (unless contraindicated)
    • Optional: Famotidine 20-40 mg/day
    • Optional: Ivermectin 150-200 ug/kg orally (dose can be repeated on day 2) [27-31]
    • In symptomatic patients, monitoring with home pulse oximetry is recommended. Baseline or
    ambulatory desaturation < 94% should prompt hospital admission. [32]
    • Not recommended: Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ). The use of HCQ is extremely controversial.[33]
    The best scientific evidence to date suggest that HCQ has no proven benefit for post exposure
    prophylaxis, for the early symptomatic phase and in hospitalized patients. [34-39] It should be
    noted that these studies did not include Zinc, and it is possible that the efficacy of HCQ requires
    the co-administration of Zinc. [40,41] However, considering the unique pharmacokinetics of
    HCQ, it is unlikely that HCQ is of benefit (takes about 10 days to achieve adequate plasma and
    lung concentrations).[42-44] The benefit derived from the co-administration of Zinc may be due
    to the effects of zinc alone. This is however, a very “volatile” situation, so stay tuned.

     

    There is much more.

     

    -Peter

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  • Tue, Aug 11, 2020 - 10:21pm

    Peggy

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    Peggy said:

    what makes you think we have the best healthcare system in the world?

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  • Tue, Aug 11, 2020 - 10:33pm

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    Peggy said:

    Thors Hammer I posted about this, I bought some from India. Took a month to arrive. Other's posted as well.

    PM me if you want the info or just look for the Buying HCQ thread.

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  • Wed, Aug 12, 2020 - 8:35am

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    How the US health care sys tem works in practice

    If anyone thinks we have the best heath care in the world, just read this history of the US made N95 mask:

    The Grifters, Chapter 2 – N95 Masks

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  • Thu, Aug 20, 2020 - 7:38am

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    timot78 said:

    It's ranked # 34 in the world, to my knowledge (but #1 in costs/capita).

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  • Thu, Aug 20, 2020 - 8:00am

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    Primary mode of Transmission of S-Cov-2 and Projected Timeline

    Two graphs (one from here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/jmv.26105 )

     

    The Timeline Chart:

     

    The Symptoms Progresion

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  • Mon, Aug 24, 2020 - 6:19pm

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    RE : Medical Advice

    EVMS Critical Care COVID-19

    https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

    This seems well thought out - and points out the real medical concerns with HCQ having any actual benefit (the UK NHS, who always loves cheap treatments tested it and it failed - pretty spectacularly...).

    I've been following a number of potential treatments since early days and (very likely wasted) some money purchasing some of them. When I had COVID myself I took the [then recommended] doses of CQ - and put myself in hospital with side-effects...!

    Realise that HCQ has become almost a religious totem to many, but the early research (it was first proposed in China actually, make of that what you will..!) has pretty much all fallen apart after analysis and more detailed trails. (Interestingly the much hyped Remesvir hasn't had very good results either - reduction in disease length, but not mortality I believe..)

    I know an ICU specialist here who's been treating the sickest of the sick with COVID in our first wave - and he mentioned they'd focussed on what you'd expect - early effective anti-coagulation, anti-inflammatory drugs to fight the cytokine storm , and in extremis a cock-tail mix of drugs as you'd expect, along with of course O2 support. No magic bullet seems about right...

    I'm hoping for a safe, effective vaccine (very likely annual according to research so far) for COVID-19, but the realistic view of that has always been late 1H'CY2021...so not in time for our likely dreaded autumn/winter wave..

    I've caught influenza a few times (including once in China that almost killed me) and I'd take safe immunity any day over risking this disease again...

    Just getting over lung, taste and smell damage several months post, and still struggling with ongoing fatigue and pretty awful post viral depression + fog.

    There are some recent studies worldwide that back up these concerns also..

    "Cerebral Micro-Structural Changes in COVID-19 Patients – An MRI-based 3-month Follow-up Study"

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30228-5/fulltext

    For those advocating a full return to 'normal' - there is also several concerning studies showing very high post surgical mortality (basically if you catch COVID before even minor surgery you have a high probably of death - its surmised as your body is fighting off the anaesthetic, recovering from surgery and also trying to fight a novel virus..).

    Prevention really is better than cure, especially if you are 45 or over..

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  • Mon, Aug 24, 2020 - 7:46pm

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    2retired said:

    Nice to have a "new" member story, I am not sure if the recent studies show Hcq benefits have fallen apart, perhaps you could list those studies? You referenced studies (and treatment) around later stages, which are not when Hcq is thought effective. An ICU doc is unlikely to have much use for a drug combo best used for an outpatient. No treatment comes with guarantees, but different countries experience with Hcq is powerful evidence.

    https://hcqtrial.com

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