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    Chris is Coming to the Joel Salatin Polyface Farms Tour
    by Chris Martenson

    Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 1:48 PM

Yes, I am going to be at the Polyface farm event this June 25 & 26 (Friday & Saturday) with the Peak Prosperity tribe.  So for anyone who was maybe, kinda, sorta  thinking of coming to the Polyface/Salatin event, please join me! (Evie is uncertain depending on the timing and outcome of a medical procedure). Further, I am personally inviting anybody who wants to meet me to join me for a Meet and Greet with the tribe following the end of day’s itinerary Saturday afternoon at the farm. Local craft brews, wine and light snacks will be provided, and of course, plenty of great conversation.  So be sure your travel plans leave you some space on Saturday to attend this impromptu event. I simply cannot wait to see old friends again, meet new people, mingle and answer your questions. You can buy tickets here.

Other Good News to Share

While I am still unable to expand a great deal on the topic (much more to come on this soon) I can announce that we are very, very close to wrapping up the many details required for me, Chris Martenson, to assume full control of Peak Prosperity and to resume my content creation.  There will be much, much more said about that just as soon as the deal is completed and everything is legal and proper. I can say I am truly happy and extremely excited about the future of this site and the Peak Prosperity community and am immensely grateful for everyone’s patience and support through this process.

To at least preview some of the changes coming to Peak Prosperity I should say we are so excited about this important event and reconnecting as a tribe at this critical moment in our journey together. At the event you will get to meet some of the new team that’s been hired to help me carry Peak Prosperity forward and to allow me to do what I do best – create more content.

Update on Honey Badger Farms

I am personally thrilled with our field, which was extremely depleted and beleaguered last year by drought, many years of depletion by haying,  and too many cows.  We aggressively rotated the cows just trying to give small segments of the field enough rest.  We never caught up entirely.  It was a sad, light green/yellow color all year.

This year?  We got some fertilizer on in time and it rained right on time to drive that fertilizer into the root zone to and we now have a vigorously growing field of the most satisfying deep emerald green.

It’s lush!  And that does our hearts good.

That pic above is 2 weeks old and the grass is taller and greener still.  That’s balm to my heart and you should have seen the cow’s excitement to finally be turned loose among all that perfect food.  Our cows are our soil management experts and we’re counting on them to turn these acres into highly productive crop land.

Speak of cows, here’s the newest addition to Honey Badger Farms, coming after much consternation due to his extreme lateness in arriving.

His name is “Mojo” and based on his ground speed at the tender age of almost a month old that’s a fitting appellation.

We’ve got a dozen other projects underway here, ranging from sawmilling to forestry, to planting edible trees and bushes, to installing solar, to planting perennials to repairing stone walls. My goal? To be able to feed 100 people from this land. Will I see that goal in my lifetime? Maybe, but maybe not.

It’s a long-term project and Evie and I are merely the current stewards of an amazing piece of land.

As an aside, Evie and I are really looking forward to seeing Salatin’s farm first hand and feel their operations as we’ve been really pouring a lot of energy into our own farm, building soil, welcoming new animals onto the land, and reveling in the new abundance that we can already see from our efforts.

So for us, to spend a weekend learning from Joel in the presence of Peak Prosperity tribe members is as good an experience as one can get.

I – er, we – hope to see you soon!

Chris

P.S. The cover photo for this post happens to be Chris & Evie’s garden from last year.  Remember when I said to “plant a garden”  during my Covid coverage?  I not only meant it, but this year I think it’s an even better and more necessary idea than before!

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 1:54pm

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    Geedard

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    Great news

    Welcome back Chris...and Evie 🙂     Honey Badger Farms is looking good 🙂

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 1:58pm

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    (Im)patiently waiting for Chris

    So glad to hear from Chris.  Can't wait for the new content.   There are no other sources like Chris for actionable content.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 2:29pm

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    Handsome young fella

    ...that cow. Congrats!

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 2:37pm

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    RedEyeMark

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    FANTASTIC!!

    I was hoping and praying that Chris would be able to attend!!  So happy that he will be there, along with everyone else.  YIIPPEEEE!!!!

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 2:48pm

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    coh said:

    Looks like a beautiful place to be.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 2:49pm

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    This is going to be EPIC

    I can’t wait to attend this incredible learning event and finally meet “the tribe”.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 3:02pm

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    Outstanding!

    Sorry to think I'm going to miss the gang at Polyface (living in Hawai'i has its price and one element is its remoteness) but it'll do my heart good to have the Information Scout back and bangin'!

    May Fortune smile upon us all!

    VIVA -- Sager

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 3:11pm

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    Polyface Farm Event

    Glad to hear you and perhaps Evie will be able to make it. Frankie and I have to decline as we will be celebrating Mom's 100th birthday. We will really miss seeing you all there. I'm sure it will be a stellar event.

    An interesting bit of history; my mother was born on a ranch outside of Chama New Mexico in a small log cabin with it's foundations somewhere near the 8,000 ft. elevation mark. She was an accomplished horseback rider by the age of 12 and recalls pulling the family sleigh loaded with ice that her father and brother had cut from the Chama River.  She pulled it up the frozen creek to their house where it was stacked in sawdust for the coming summer.

    And speaking of gardens, back in the day her families home garden and ranch was their survival. Mom recalls the 'winter of 33' as being a particular low point. Times were very tough, money to buy food was difficult and the cattle had all been sold to keep a roof over their heads. As the story goes, my grandfather shot two bears and together with whatever they could harvest from the Fall garden, they canned the bear meat and foodstuffs and that got them through the winter. She has never forgotten the difficult times of the great depression.

    Coop

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 5:19pm

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    Arthur Robey said:

    I take it that you haven't got wallabies, then?

    They're very decorative, but they don't give the grass much chance to grow.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 5:31pm

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    stealyourface said:

    man, I sure wish I could attend but living in the midwest with 3 kids under 8 would make for a long difficult journey. This would be my type of vacation to stimulate my senses and to be a sponge and soak up all the knowledge of this community and Joel S. And to drink a beer looking at something other than drain-tiled cornfields

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 10:20pm

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    dreinmund said:

    That’s great news. Can’t wait to see everyone at the Polyface Farm event. I’m excited to meet some of the tribe face to face.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 11:12pm

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    Bradford said:

    I suspect that many of us were actually sincerely looking forward to your expertise concerning the extreme dangers now surrounding so many who are either contemplating taking the "vaccine", and/or are living close to loved ones who have already chosen to take the mRNA injection, given the likelihood of now being exposed to what Pfizer calls "SAE" or "Secondary Adverse Events". Perhaps you have chosen to hang up your information scout shingle when it comes to investigating or commenting upon these important medical matters, at this critical moment in history.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 11:46pm

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    happy you'll be back soon because...

    I'm guessing vaccines will be approved for teenagers soon and I'm trying to delay as long as possible my 15 year old daughter getting any of the covid vaccines. Guessing pressure will ramp up this fall when HS starts up again, so that's my deadline for figuring out how strongly to resist.

    I appreciate the vaccine discussions on the site but there's a lot of speculation too, which is fine. It seems unlikely to me that people are shedding mRNA, it's fairly fragile stuff. People shedding spike proteins? Uh, sounds unlikely but I don't know.

    Will very much appreciate Chris' presence and evidence based observations back on the site sometime this summer.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 5:18am

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    Thursday all day June 24 Barbeque and overnight camping just West of Richmond before Polyface

    Reminder that Michael M is arranging barbeque and camping at his farm location about 2 hours East of Polyface all day Thursday and Thursday night.  some people will drive from that gathering to Polyface leaving early Friday morning.  We can arrange to pick you up at the Richmond airport and rides are available. I and two others will have an amateur radio seminar and some DIY solar energy activities during that Thursday.
    PM me if you want to attend but haven`t contacted me yet.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 7:28am

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    Camping and carpooling

    I'm a bit reluctant to go because of the long drive and the fact that I have lots of $ allocated to other important events.  Two things that could change that are camping available near Polyface (and especially someone to share a campsite with), and carpooling from the northeast.  I'm in upstate eastern NY.  Please PM me if you're interested or have any helpful information.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 8:58am

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    Jeanne said:

    Hello, I am also camping about 20 minutes north of Swoope in Verona at the Shendendoah Valley Campground. Really beautiful place on the Middle River and great rates. Cabins available too.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 9:26am

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    Whitney said:

    Can’t wait to learn from this pioneering “grass farmer” and meet the tribe!

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 10:13am

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    Welcome back

    So glad life looks brighter for you and your family.So happy for all of us that you are back.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 1:12pm

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    June Events

    I'm really looking forward to these events.

    Seeing Joel's place would be worth the trip on its own.  Then add in the Mots workshops, hanging/camping with the PP tribe, and now Chris is joining us too.

    Having recently attended a New England PP lunch, it's so nice to hang out with curious and interesting people.

    Chris

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 9:45pm

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    Bradford said:

    A lot of things are now up in the air for many of us. But for all, it is now pretty clear that Chris has run into a intellectual cave when it comes to any matters involving the vaccines or their ongoing dangers. Our long time information scout has evidently caved to the pressures placed upon him and his family, or so I'm guessing. Now it's simply an information "scout" about living a homesteading life, gardening and the such. Wow!

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 3:07am

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    Chris Martenson

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    Thanks all

    I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone, and being able to speak in person.

    You know, the sad reality is that the western world has gone crazy.  All those years of marketing fear and ignorance to ourselves has taken its toll.

    I look at the effects of that on the people around me and it's not unlike seeing someone stuck deeply in an abusive relationship; they have taken to rationalizing and even apologizing for their abuser's behaviors and actions.

    Which means logic and reason have gone out the window.  For most.  But not all, and that's the good part.

    The abusers in this story are your usual run-of-the-mill corporations and politicians and mid-level bureaucrats whose one and only mission in life is to advance.  They want money.  They want power.  They want to advance in their careers.

    Censorship is a very real thing.  We have to account for that now and because my mission is to reach more people with the core messages of the Crash Course, I cannot afford to be deplatformed.

    As well, I truly believe that there are many ways to navigate this environment, and with your help we'll figure those out.

     

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 3:50am

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    Bradford

    I respectfully disagree with you.

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 6:27am

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    Instant Gratification Breeds Complacency

    Very doubtful. Of course there has to be some “crash landing” material to accompany the Crash Course.

    Frankly, I’m quite sick of Covid-1984. Pun intended. I appreciate those of you still working on the details and tracking the numbers, but that shouldn’t be the primary focus.

    Cyber-Polygon, ET Disclosure, Toxic Populism (Intra-Elite Competition)....there’s just a ton of batshit crazy stuff on the horizon. No shortage of messages to de-code and preparations to guard against their agendas.

    Chris, you have your work cut out for you. I look forward to having you back.

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 7:23am

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "I look at the effects of that on the people around me and it's not unlike seeing someone stuck deeply in an abusive relationship; they have taken to rationalizing and even apologizing for their abuser's behaviors and actions."

    Ive been thinking about this concept of an abusive relationship ever since Chris brought it up a few months back and its the dynamic that fits best for me too.

    Once when I was probably 19, I was in a fast food place and this beautiful young woman was sitting with a guy who was acting like he was just about to explode and beat the sh*t out of her.  He was doing that thing where he was acting like he was just about to lose it.  Swinging his fists close to her face as he pounded on objects near her.

    The whole place got real quiet.

    I contemplated intervening, didn't, and then felt like a coward afterwards.

    Later still, I was in a group conversation of men talking about this exact situation.

    "Did you intervene?  What happened?"

    To the man, anyone who intervened found himself fighting not only the abusive boyfriend, but the girl as well.  The girls often became particularly scary when their abuser was threatened.

    It's one of things the lessons of childhood just don't prepare you for.  Neither did our oversimplified "American history" textbooks prepare us for what restoring something that looks like personal freedom is really gonna take IMO.

     

     

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 8:24am

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    brushhog said:

    "I look at the effects of that on the people around me and it's not unlike seeing someone stuck deeply in an abusive relationship; they have taken to rationalizing and even apologizing for their abuser's behaviors and actions."

    Ive been thinking about this concept of an abusive relationship ever since Chris brought it up a few months back and its the dynamic that fits best for me too.

    Once when I was probably 19, I was in a fast food place and this beautiful young woman was sitting with a guy who was acting like he was just about to explode and beat the sh*t out of her.  He was doing that thing where he was acting like he was just about to lose it.  Swinging his fists close to her face as he pounded on objects near her.

    The whole place got real quiet.

    I contemplated intervening, didn't, and then felt like a coward afterwards.

    Later still, I was in a group conversation of men talking about this exact situation.

    "Did you intervene?  What happened?"

    To the man, anyone who intervened found himself fighting not only the abusive boyfriend, but the girl as well.  The girls often became particularly scary when their abuser was threatened.

    It's one of things the lessons of childhood just don't prepare you for.  Neither did our oversimplified "American history" textbooks prepare us for what restoring something that looks like personal freedom is really gonna take IMO."

    Its worth pointing out that its not always so easy to differentiate the abuser from the abused. You would assume the girl is the "abused" because of the dynamics of what you are watching. But you didnt see what lead up to that. Men and women abuse in different ways.

    Ive seen women push a man's buttons and intentionally bring him to the point of insanity, then break down in a public display of tears for effect. Inevitably a white knight shows up or the police and the man ends up arrested or in a fight with a stranger.

    Alot of men dont understand this dynamic, they assume if a man is loud and angry then he must be the abuser. Women abuse just as often as men and they can be very effective at it. They just go about it in a different way. A friend of mine found himself involved with such an abusive woman, he found himself with a criminal record, an order of protection against him [ which she encouraged him to break several times, then had him re-arrested ] and his kids taken away.

    A man's weapons are his fists, a woman's weapons are her tears [ and they can do alot more damage ].

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 8:43am

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "A man's weapons are his fists, a woman's weapons are her tears [ and they can do alot more damage ]."

    Yeah, by no means was I intending to make the abuse relationship exclusively about men terrorizing women.   Just relating a story about that dynamic of someone defending their abuser.   So many of the people going in for their jabs are cheering about how they can't wait to get back to normal.   Just has that "I love Big Brother" vibe to it.

     

    Its hard not to wonder who will be blamed when things don't get back to normal.   We know it won't be the abuser if we understand the social dynamic correctly.

     

    On another subject, I too hope to get Chris thoughts on specific vaccine issues/harms/unknowns/unexpected outcomes.  I'm hoping very much that he doesn't turn out to be muzzled.  But I also have found one of the main benefits of listening to him has been the sort of mental framing found in his last comment.

    I think people who want him to talk about prions all day long are gonna be disappointed.

     

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 9:35am

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    Blaggers said:

    Been dismayed with the way many of my friends and colleagues have caved to getting 'jabbed' because they "just want this to end" or "want to get back to normal".  Many of them are young, fit outdoors people who would have been at very low risk of getting ill from Covid IMO.

    Where's the critical thinking, resilience and fortitude of people in all this.

     
    “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
    ― Benjamin Franklin

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 11:32am

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    brushhog said:

    Wothecurtains,

     

    Im with you and Kelso on this one. I get a little bored with the covid/vaxx scientific analysis. It has its place but ultimately we need solutions not just analysis.

    I like the homestead stuff because it jives with my lifestyle and my word view. Living a rural, self reliant lifestyle has been the solution for me. It worked. I dont see many other solutions. While my city friends have had their world turned upside down by riots, kneeling police, quarantines and lockdowns....I barely noticed.

    Shortages? Im good. Lockdowns? No problem. Power outage? An inconvenience at most.

    Like it or not folks, the solution to the unfolding breakdown of society IS self reliance, and like it or not, that is best achieved in a rural 'back-to-the-land' setting.

    As to the abuser-victim relationship, try this one on; Former friend stopped talking to me a while back because I told him I wasnt going to wear the mask anymore. He agrees that the mask probably doesnt do anything but my noncompliance will cause the government to crack down more and 'keep us from returning to normal'.

    So here the abuser has been so psychologically worked over that he blames his fellow victim for not bending to the abuser's will because it will only make the abuser more abusive. If only we do what master says, he wont have to whip us. Hows that for a battered wife syndrome?

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 12:51pm

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    Cult of Covid

    I listen to Pam Popper from Make Americans Free Again | The New Normal: Citizens In Charge most every day. If you join her email alerts, on Monday she has a newsletter, Tues and Thurs she has a tame YouTube video, Weds & Friday she posts on Bitchute.

    Anyway, lately she has been making comparisons with the MSM viewpoint to that of a cult (Follow the Science!! Build Back Better!) and cited Singer's Six Conditions of Mind Control:

     

    Singer’s Six Conditions of Mind Control

    1. Keep the person unaware of what is going on and how she or he is
    being changed a step at a time. Potential new members are led, step by
    step, through a behavioral-change program without being aware of the final
    agenda or full content of the group. The goal may be to make them
    deployable agents for the leadership, to get them to buy more courses, or
    get them to make a deeper commitment, depending on the leader’s aim and
    desires.

    2. Control the person’s social and/or physical environment; especially
    control the person’s time. Through various methods, newer members are
    kept busy and led to think about the group and its content during as much of their waking time as possible.

    3. Systematically create a sense of powerlessness in the person. This is
    accomplished by getting members away from the normal social support
    group for a period of time and into an environment where the majority of
    people are already group members. The members serve as models of the
    attitudes and behaviors of the group and speak an in-group language.

    4. Manipulate a system of rewards, punishments and experiences in
    such a way as to inhibit behavior that reflects the person’s former
    social identity. Manipulation of experiences can be accomplished through
    various methods of trance induction, including leaders using such techniques as paced speaking patterns, guided imagery, chanting, long prayer sessions
    or lectures, and lengthy meditation sessions.

    5. Manipulate a system of rewards, punishments, and experiences in
    order to promote learning the group’s ideology or belief system and
    group-approved behaviors. Good behavior, demonstrating an
    understanding and acceptance of the group’s beliefs, and compliance are
    rewarded while questioning, expressing doubts or criticizing are met with
    disapproval, redress and possible rejection. If one expresses a question, he
    or she is made to feel that there is something inherently wrong with them to
    be questioning.

    6. Put forth a closed system of logic and an authoritarian structure that
    permits no feedback and refuses to be modified except by leadership
    approval or executive order. The group has a top-down, pyramid
    structure. The leaders must have verbal ways of never losing.
    (Singer, 1995)

     

    It makes a lot of sense these days.

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 1:14pm

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    I think this is us

    Ok

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 2:00pm

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    penmack said:

    I have missed you're updates Chris, good that you will be back providing content soon! I have been watching Dr John Campbell in your absence 🙂
    Looking forward seeing more details about Honey Badger Farm as well!

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 2:38pm

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    Name tags.

    I hope we have name tags. Very few use  their name.  I gots ta know . . .

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 3:37pm

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    How about the PP members who can't make it to the farm?

    Are we going to be left out of the loop because the farm is the only place Chris can speak freely now?

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 3:40pm

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    Hey Canuck21

    In the last couple days Dr. Chris has indicated he will be back here and bangin' within a week or so.  Possibly in a couple days.  Hang in there!

    VIVA -- Sager

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 4:36pm

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    Wish I could make it.

    I am sure having some in-person time is going to be fantastic for everyone who is able to go.  At this point, such travel for us is totally out of the question.

    But be assured, Jamie and I will be there in spirit.
    And I look forward to hearing all about it.

    Just please don't require attendees to have a "V+" or  "V-" on their name tag.
    That would be in really poor taste.  Nah, that probably ain't happening ...

    My best to all.  I hope it all goes well for everybody there !
    Tell the rest all about it !

    -- Chuck

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 5:45pm

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    wotthecurtains

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    How about the PP members who can't make it to the farm?

    Maybe for half the price of the headline gig, Chris could wear a GoPro on his chest and live stream his impromptu banter to us.

    We'd get to see up Mots' nose!   We'd get to read everyone's politically incorrect T-Shirts and find out who wears a belt.

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 5:48pm

    Mots

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    the loss of logic and reason

    Chris stated:
    "The abusers in this story are your usual run-of-the-mill corporations and politicians and mid-level bureaucrats whose one and only mission in life is to advance.  They want money.  They want power.  They want to advance in their careers."

    Boy, you got that right.

    As amply explored at Peak Prosperity ("PP") already, the medical system is corrupt and broken.  PP is a great place to learn and adapt to the useless and even dangerous new institution of "medical care."

    The same process that infected the medical system has also infected the agriculture institution, the educational institution, the legal institution, the energy industry, the water system etc.

    I wonder if the new format for PP that is coming might address how to achieve prosperity in areas now dominated and controlled by other broken institutions, as separate theme topics within PP.

    We have to rebuild everything at the community level.

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 6:02pm

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    YouTube abuse and THC.

    Sounds like YouTube to me, THC.

    Have you run this past  their management?

    (Suspicions arise that I'm being shadow banned over there. Another feather in my cap.)

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 6:22pm

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    timot78 said:

    Lets not forget the Polio (poliovirus) story:  https://theconversation.com/the-deadly-polio-epidemic-and-why-it-matters-for-coronavirus-133976

     

    It was the vaccine that ended it.

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 6:43pm

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    Yggdrasil said:

    Timot,

    The official treatments on offer for covid aren't vaccines. They don't provide immunity. That is part of the puzzle most are missing.

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 7:47pm

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    Hey Mike_in_Jersey .....

    Can you (or anyone else) repost those links to COVID outbreaks in closed communities that were fully vaccinated?  I need to read the source stories and save 'em.

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 8:12pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "I wonder if the new format for PP that is coming might address how to achieve prosperity in areas now dominated and controlled by other broken institutions, as separate theme topics within PP.

    We have to rebuild everything at the community level."

     

    I don't know how much anyone else would like it, but for me (programmer mentality) this sort of super analytical approach would be ideal.

    Take a broken societal system.  Explain how it should work, how it did work, why it broke and then discuss a grass roots approach to reclaim the essential values on whatever scale is possible given the resources we have.

    The hidden benefit of doing it this way is the "social" and "cultural" capital start to take care of themselves.  Once people with a direct stake in the outcome start working together to create value, something that looks like civilization can begin to take root.

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 8:37pm

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    JimBob101 said:

    With all due respect, without Chris's reporting/analysis/recommendations this site appears to be rather "vanilla". His cutting edge work on the emergence of SARS Cov 2 is worthy a Pulitzer. He provides an oasis of credibility in a ocean of @%$#.                        Thank you Chris Martendale.

     

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 8:38pm

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    natural immunity

    Ygg - If someone is being treated for covid chances are they have the virus. When they are treated and get well they will have natural immunity which, despite the propaganda telling everyone the opposite, is better, stronger, and more versatile than a vaccine.

    Historically herd immunity has always come from natural immunity. The vast majority of vaccines have taken 5 to 10 years to develop.

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  • Fri, May 07, 2021 - 11:44pm

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    Mots said:

    Wotthecurtains
    I also will not attend the farm.  The price is way too high. particularly for a family of 3 or more.
    Instead I hope to meet many people the day before at a day long get together and camping 1.5 hours drive East of Polyface where a friend of mine has opened up his rural property for barbeque and camping, starting Wednesday through Thur nights.  During the day on Thursday, I and several others will demonstrate amateur radio, I will provide solar electric hands on  techniques and later, in the evening look forward to a discussion of covid therapies led by Sand Puppy.  Here is a short video of a DIY item (2 kw hours power box for running normal power tools in the forest) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdgSCBITmnI (can be charged by solar panels bk/red posts, or by plugging into house electricity). Let`s build stuff!

    Please join us.  If you havent already, please PM me so that we can get a head count.

    Our host is providing canopies and a large tent in case of rain, motels are available nearby, and some people are carpooling into Polyface.

     

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 12:54am

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    Sandpuppy, Here is link to "closed community vaccinated outbreak" example. Not sure this is what you were after.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/20-of-26-covid-positive-residents-in-a-kentucky-nursing-home-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated-a-month-earlier

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 2:39am

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    Yggdrasil said:

    Hi Netlej,

    I agree, by official treatments i meant the astrazeneca / Pfizer products. Apologies, I should have been clearer.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 4:47am

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    Wow. So he really exists.

    Wow. So he really exists.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 5:07am

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    OMG

    thc, you've nailed it!  This wheel, which I'm very familiar with as family law attorney, perfectly fits the government strategies all over the world.  Can you send a link to this wheel of abuse?  Thanks.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 5:13am

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    The Geography to No Where

    Hello wotthecurtains, James Howard Kunstler wrote a fabulous book about how to build a livable, workable community for the "Long Emergency"  another stellar book written by the same author.  You would not imagine how interesting a book about community, land ownership. architecture can be.  But then again, Kunstler is a master word processor.

    Both books are great, but Geography to No Where specifically addresses communities.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 5:23am

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    Or indoor plumbing

    And renaming illnesses.

    When someone showed up at the doctor with tingling hands, they had polio.  Once the vaccine came out, well it can’t be polio so now we have nerve impingement, fibromyalgia, Lupus, MS, Gilliene Barr (sp?) or in my case magnesium deficiency (yep a week of magnesium supplements clears that right up).

    I think the polio vaccine does work, I’m just not convinced it was the grand miracle they claim.  Just like the ct values for the  SARSCOV2 PCR were dropped when the vaccine came out.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 5:30am

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    SP, (I think this is kinda what you're looking for?)

    Here are two links to some closed community outbreaks in Salem, SD. back in March/April. They, of course, do not provide any numbers of residents or severity of illness

    https://www.thepublicopinion.com/story/news/local/2021/04/02/state-investigating-covid-19-cluster-among-vaccinated-long-term-care-residents/115880364/

     

    COVID-19 outbreak among fully vaccinated assisted living residents under investigation

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 5:32am

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    000 said:

    Would you share your magnesium type and how you came to it? Are you using Mag l-threonate? I now have a collection including Mag (elemental), oxide, citrate, gly-something-or-other...

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 6:14am

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    Kathy said:

    Don’t laugh, I’ve had good luck with he HSN magnesium which is a combination of citrate, maleate and oxide.

    I do the epsom salt bath thing too.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 11:20am

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    Abusive Relationships and our Path Forward

    Thc0655 - that wheel of abuse is perfect as a means of understanding our current political and Big Tech environment.

    I know it was built for individual relationships, but I can find multiple examples from our culture to fill out each of those 15 buckets at the macro level.

    The derelict Covid response by western governments pretty much ticked off the remaining 5 boxes that were waiting for the right "crisis" to unfurl; telling us what to wear, telling us it's for our own good and that they know better, stopping us from seeing friends and family, controlling the finances (stimulus checks + shutting down small and medium businesses capriciously), and not letting us out without permission.

    The other 10 boxes had all been in play since 9/11.

    All super creepy of course.

    The key to avoiding being in an abusive relationship is to not consent to being in one in the first place.  Most people here already are built that way.

    But a second key is to consciously withdraw your consent from the abuser if and wherever necessary.

    I consider it one of my jobs to help people either avoid or get out of being stuck in the abusive arrangements of the creepy Big Tech and oligarch crowd.

    I think this deserves an entire podcast all of its own.  This sort of framing could go a long way towards helping some people see what's really going on.

    It's certainly not a healthy thing that's happening...turns my stomach to see children in school, with masks, 6 feet apart, at desks with 3-sided plexiglass walls between them and everyone else.

    What's the actual risk to children of that age from Covid?  As close to a zero as you can get:

    (Source)

    The above data is for reported cases.  In truth, a lot of kids get exposed to Covid but never display any symptoms and accordingly aren't tested, which means that the true "survival rate" is actually a lot higher than reported.  Also the CDC has been really sloppy about what is reported as "a Covid death" and that still includes anybody who dies within 28 days of a positive test result (which itself may have been a false positive).

    Even with all that, the reported survival rate for those under 19, which includes teens and  children who actually have significant co-morbidities such as obesity or cancer, is 99.997%

    To put that to numbers, for every 100,000 cases of Covid among the 19 and under crowd, you'd expect 3 deaths.

    In practice that ends up showing up in statistics like this (from the above source):

    "In Leon County, there have been 6,811 COVID-19 cases reported for people under the age of 34 and and no reported deaths."

    So we have to ask - what sort of a culture subjects its children to a daily regimen of fear and isolation and death messaging ("You're a toxic bio-factory who might kill your grandparents which is why you have to wear these masks and sit in your isolating pods all day!")?

    An abusive one, that's who.

    What sorts of otherwise well-meaning parents and teachers go along with this abuse if not actively cheer it on?

    People who have lost their moorings along the way and bought into the weird normalization of all this without giving it much if any critical thought, that's who.

    I cringe and feel heartbroken at the unnecessary traumatization of all these children - an entire generation.  Trauma like this is very hard to undo.  It takes a lot of sustained effort to get past childhood traumatization.  Lots of therapy and diligence and time and resources.  Best not to traumatize anyone in the first place.

    I am shocked that we aren't having rebellions or at least even a decent conversation about this at the national or local levels.

    The right question really should be "What's the cost-benefit analysis of treating our children this way?  What good results from these practices in terms of actual, measurable, scientifically based safety and/or better outcomes, and how much damage is being inflicted to achieve that?" 

    There's always a balance to be struck between costs and benefits.  That's just life.

    I am literally unaware of that question being asked or of costs & benefits being rationally discussed.  If they are, I don't know about them yet.  I wonder if those conversations are happening in other countries?

     

     

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 11:28am

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    Carrier risk?

    Agree nobody likes to see kids like this.

    But what about the carrier risk concern?

    Aren't they doing this less to protect the children from dying, but to protect the teachers, parents and grandparents from getting COVID should kids get infected while at school?

    Isn't that a valid concern?

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 11:32am

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    Blaggers said:

    No conversation like that happening in Canada Chris although a headline this morning from a more MSM outlet is slightly encouraging.

    https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-nearly-25000-have-died-of-covid-50-after-vaccination

     

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 11:47am

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    Reply to Spike

    The most recent science is showing that asymptomatic carriers of C-19 present very, very little risk of transmission.  DF posted a study a couple weeks back -- if you have a symptomatic carrier in your household (resulting in sustained contact in an enclosed space, ie home) you have ~ 17% chance of contracting COVID.  Asymptomatic carriers represent a 0.7% chance of transmitting COVID.

    So -- kids are generally not catching COVID.  Even if they do, they're almost certainly asymptomatic and therefore present a vanishingly small chance of Killing Grandma.

    May Fortune smile upon us all -- and VIVA! -- Sager

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 11:52am

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    brushhog said:

    "But what about the carrier risk concern?

    Aren't they doing this less to protect the children from dying, but to protect the teachers, parents and grandparents from getting COVID should kids get infected while at school?"

    99.7% average survival rate from covid. I have to agree with CM that a cost benefit analysis raises serious concerns. At the very LEAST it warrants a national discussion, debates, studies. We're arent getting any of that, in fact all we're getting is censorship of any voices that contradict that official narrative.

    That alone should raise concerns. People who want to do the right thing and want to get to the truth dont engage in censorship. They should welcome debate, they should welcome the chance to adjust their policies if it is found that they are doing something wrong. Why arent they?

    As far as parents go, Im one of them and I dont like what is happening. This is my son's first year in school. This is his very first experience with the public school system. As far as 'how am I allowing it to happen'? Straight up, I dont KNOW whats happening. They wont let me in the school. I dont know where he sits or what his day is like. I have to ask him, and a 5 year old cant explain it. So I take the blame for bringing my kid into a situation that I am not aware of. Its my responsibility, ultimately, to protect him. I cant say "I didnt know" because it was my JOB to know or I shouldnt have brought him there.

    As an only child my wife and I felt it would benefit him to be around other kids, better than being raised in isolation on the homestead with only Mom and Dad. But I sense we may have made a mistake so we are looking into alternatives...homeschool, private school, tutors....It seems no matter which I choose we trade one problem for another.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 12:19pm

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    The Lancet: "Asymptomatic carriers represent a significant risk for transmission. "

    like brushog i'd like to see more open dialog arugueing both sides

    sager....this report from the Lancet says differently than "DF"s data. which to believe??

    RESEARCH PAPER| VOLUME 4, 100056, MAY 01, 2021
    SARS-CoV-2 transmission risk from asymptomatic carriers:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00033-8/fulltext

    Interpretation

    Strategic and tactical MS allows the suppression of epidemic dynamics. Asymptomatic carriers represent a significant risk for transmission. Containment of future outbreaks will depend on early testing in sectors and regions. Higher participation rates must be assured through targeted incentivisation and recurrent invitation.

     

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 12:23pm

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    Talk about abuse: think about merging the vaxxpass system with this nightmare

    Are we living in a science fiction apocalyptic movie? I’d like to move from here to some other parallel universe. This one has me creeped out.

    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/05/investigative-reports/this-biden-proposal-could-make-the-us-a-digital-dictatorship/

    Last Wednesday, President Biden was widely praised in mainstream and health-care–focused media for his call to create a “new biomedical research agency” modeled after the US military’s “high-risk, high-reward” Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA. As touted by the president, the agency would seek to develop “innovative” and “breakthrough” treatments for cancer, Alzheimer’s disease, and diabetes, with a call to “end cancer as we know it.”

    Far from “ending cancer” in the way most Americans might envision it, the proposed agency would merge “national security” with “health security” in such as way as to use both physical and mental health “warning signs” to prevent outbreaks of disease or violence before they occur. Such a system is a recipe for a technocratic “pre-crime” organization with the potential to criminalize both mental and physical illness as well as “wrongthink.”

    The Biden administration has asked Congress for $6.5 billion to fund the agency, which would be largely guided by Biden’s recently confirmed top science adviser, Eric Lander. Lander, formerly the head of the Silicon Valley–dominated Broad Institute, has been controversial for his ties to eugenicist and child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his relatively recent praise for James Watson, an overtly racist eugenicist. Despite that, Lander is set to be confirmed by the Senate and Congress and is reportedly significantly enthusiastic about the proposed new “health DARPA.”

    This new agency, set to be called ARPA-H or HARPA, would be housed within the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and would raise the NIH budget to over $51 billion. Unlike other agencies at NIH, ARPA-H would differ in that the projects it funds would not be peer reviewed prior to approval; instead hand-picked program managers would make all funding decisions. Funding would also take the form of milestone-driven payments instead of the more traditional multiyear grants.

    ARPA-H will likely heavily fund and promote mRNA vaccines as one of the “breakthroughs” that will cure cancer. Some of the mRNA vaccine manufacturers that have produced some of the most widely used COVID-19 vaccines, such as the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, stated just last month that “cancer is the next problem to tackle with mRNA tech” post-COVID. BioNTech has been developingmRNA gene therapies for cancer for years and is collaborating with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to create mRNA-based treatments for tuberculosis and HIV.

    Other “innovative” technologies that will be a focus of this agency are less well known to the public and arguably more concerning....

    Remember that the death of 96% of the human population in the movie “I Am Legend” was caused by administering a 100% effective cure for cancer to the world which then killed all those people. The “cancer cure” was a genetically modified virus.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 12:38pm

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    Chuck in Belize said:

    Any proposal which purports to "end cancer as we know it" is far more likely to be one that ends freedom as we know it.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 12:44pm

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    overarching conspiracies.

    Well, you can regard it as purely abusive or you can look at it as scientists trying to get a handle on a novel virus in an atmosphere of confusion. Nothing much was known about the virus, initially. So, a lot of scrambling, lack of clarity over what to do, bureaucratic screw ups all within a dynamic viral atmosphere. The virus was mutating and the mutations became an unknown.

    There are a lot of people out there who believe conspiracies happen but don't necessarily see the earmarks of an overarching program to deprive people of their freedom through covid here.

    I would really appreciate a fleshed out description of how this conspiracy works, as you see it--maybe that is for another day. Maybe you have insider info that proves your point.

    Big tech is a problem though. Definitely. And censorship should only happen if there is a threat to life and limb, imo. I've had to deal with Youtube's shadow bans lately, about an entirely different manner. You can see intelligence agencies footprints all over it.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 1:06pm

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    2retired said:

    From the Lancet Anniversary issue of the 'surgisphere' paper, featuring ethical standards statement, and spending of recent personal benefit payments.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 1:06pm

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    Elrod

    This is from your study.  Did you read it?

    "Transmission rates of AIC ranged from 0–2.2% compared to 0.8–15.4% for SIC "

    So transmission rates of the asymptomatic (AIC) ranged from zero (no transmission at all) to 2.2%.  Okay.  And symptomatic (SIC) ranged from 0.8% to 15.4%.  That's quite a range.  Makes me think the sample size was small?

    At any rate, infection rates of asymptomatic were still quite small.  Not as small as Dave Fairtex's study, but still small.  So you can call 2.2% chance of transmission "significant" if you like, but maybe you're risk-averse.  In which case I'd recommend you stay home and away from people, mask up and vax up and wear a face shield and so forth and so on.  If I was an 80 year-old grandpa living at home with my kid and their spouse and their kids, I'd not fear 2.2% transmission.  At some point you have to do the math and make choices about how much you want fear to drive the bus.  I don't want fear anywhere near the driver's seat.  But I'm brave like that.  Or maybe foolhardy?

    May Fortune smile us all! -- And VIVA -- Sager

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 1:57pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "At the very LEAST it warrants a national discussion, debates, studies. We're arent getting any of that, in fact all we're getting is censorship of any voices that contradict that official narrative."

    FWIW, I noticed the exact same pattern after someone overthrew Ukraine's government and then Russia moved into Crimea.   There was never any discussion about whether a new Cold War, complete with nuclear arms race was in anyone's interests and anyone who suggested it wasn't was said to be sucking Putin off.

    I think its more an artifact of our times.   Once anyone being offended is enough to shut down all debate, its simply a matter of the mainstream voices telling us that an agenda has already been agreed to by reasonable people.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 2:06pm

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    brushhog said:

    "Well, you can regard it as purely abusive or you can look at it as scientists trying to get a handle on a novel virus in an atmosphere of confusion. Nothing much was known about the virus, initially. So, a lot of scrambling, lack of clarity over what to do, bureaucratic screw ups all within a dynamic viral atmosphere. The virus was mutating and the mutations became an unknown"

    Ive considered this but was forced to discard that theory in the light of credible 'scientists' and medical professionals being censored for expressing legitimate concerns. I also see heavy handed mandates concerning things for which there is no scientific basis.

    It could all be coincidence I suppose, but what are the odds of every mistake being in favor of less freedom, less personal agency, shutdowns which only effect small/midsized businesses....and greater power/wealth for the people at the top of the pyramid? When real mistakes happen, they happen haphazardly.

    The other thing to consider is the level of conspiracy that we already see plainly. Does anyone think that facebook, twitter, tick tock, youtube and etc all decide independently, but simultaneously, to censor the same content, all at the same time? 5 supposedly independent companies are all making the same decisions, at the exact same moment? Thats silly. Of course they are conspiring. They are conspiring to promote the same narrative as the main stream media, the government, and  a small select group of 'scientists' [ to the exclusion of all the others ]. They,  dont even appear to be motivated by profit since some of the people they expel are highly poplar and bring alot of traffic to their platforms. Same thing with mainstream media, CNN lost 1/3 of its viewership during its 'war on truth' and the NYT subscriptions are at an all time low. They don't care, they are not motivated by money.

    So given the evidence, its hard to believe the 'clueless but well intentioned' theory of current events. Just doesnt hold up.

     

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 2:28pm

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    On "conspiracies" and similar matters.

    Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

    You're not paranoid if they're really after you .. and people just like you.
    Keep that firmly in mind.  The evidence could not be more clear.

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 3:39pm

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    Evie

    A shout-out to Evie as she anticipates surgery. Hope it goes smoothly. May your recovery be hastened by good care, healthy food, and a view toward that green and glorious field in the shelter of the mountains. Best wishes.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 2:14am

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    Yes

    What dismays me is that I will finally find a person with questions and anger about what has happened and then after a long conversation find out they’ve stuck their arms out anyway!

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 5:17am

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    Exactly brushhog

    We are being manipulated and even though we might not know with 100% certainty who is behind it or why the evidence that it is happening is all around us and I don’t like it one bit. No matter who is behind it or why you can bet you butt that the average citizen will end up on the losing end...

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 7:29am

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    Framing, the bigger picture,

    I agree it is time to bring greater focus to the bigger picture as we have been discussing, and also on what actions we can take now...  These videos address this and raise some important ideas about the larger plans and changes in our society.  Is anyone here on top of these concepts?


    Alison McDowell | Human Capital Markets, Cellular Colonization, and the Virtualization of Reality


    Alison McDowell | Human Capital Markets, Predatory Philanthropy, & The Gamified World

    They use lots of terms that we don't use here too often...

    pay for success

    value-based payment

    biofascism

    techno-fascism

    privatization and predictive analytics of the public domain

    sensor-driven lifestyles

    augmented future

    bioinformatics

    Among other things, she suggests doing a little research to find out what is going on in these areas in your local community.  Her website is https://wrenchinthegears.com/

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 7:32am

    Blaggers

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    This is very interesting

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 8:26am

    Blaggers

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    Full vaccination does not equal full protection

    Canada's chief public health officer framing the narrative for continued lockdowns, social distancing and government control ???

    http://full vaccination does not equal full protection

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 8:31am

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    Netlej

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    So many lies

    We have all have been lied to so completely and for so long and whats worse, most insist on believing the lies because it is uncomfortable to understand the realities.

    We were lied to about Americas actions around the world.

    We were lied to about how there is no money for schools, healthcare, social services, infrastructure, anything good for the public but there is unlimited trillions for military, intelligence agencies, subsidies for monopolies that destroy American business and jobs, bailing out morbidly wealthy, etc. We the people did not freely vote for all of this.

    We were lied to about 911.

    We were lied to about Iraq. (And Vietnam for that matter, remember the Pentagon papers? Probably not.)

    We were lied to about Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Palestine, and on and on and on…

    Having learned to obediently swallow all the lies it’s a piece of cake with sprinkles to swallow the multitude of lies surrounding Covid-19.

    At this point they can dump any lie they want knowing we all will buy it, or at least not challenge it. Anyone who challenges the lies is called a “conspiracy theorist” not just by the liars but by their own friends and family. We have signed your own death warrant and you don’t even know it … or care for that matter. The truth doesn’t  even matter any more. The lies have been repeated so often for so long that they are taken as “truth by consensus”. It is crazy to talk about the truth when everyone else has accepted the lies as the truth. This, in a nutshell explains what is happening with the demise of science. New discoveries, or even old discoveries confirmed with new information are dismissed if they go against the perceived consensus position.

    I try and explain this to my friends and family and they all just say "why would they lie" and walk off like that settles it.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 8:39am

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    It’s been a while

    Hope everyone is well  Been torn away by a number of things  I too am looking forward to Chris and Chris’ original, multi-disciplined, multi-talented vision taking the wheel

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 9:07am

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    So many lies

    Re: So many lies

    If I was to brag a little I would have said prior to 2020 that people would turn out to be as credulous as they have just as a matter of applying logic to things Id watched previously.

    But emotionally that hasn't made it any easier to see it all writ large.   All you can do is hope the jabs don't have the terrible effects some fear because these jabs are going out and people want them and that's just the end of it.

    The one thing that makes me feel a tiny bit better is that I think people have always been this stupid and the system's owners always this greedy, corrupt and also somehow hapless at the same time.

    This means that things can get better again in the future in spite of them. Just like last time.  I'm just not sure how to tell how much darkness we gotta go through between now and then.

    Their were entire generations who lived and died during the Roman decline and we might only be 50 years into our own decline.

    I hereby resolve to enjoy the sun the next time I see it (raining/snowing here now).

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 9:29am

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    why would they lie?

    Well, how about money and power?  They lie, because they want more money and power.  And that's easier to get if they lie.

    I'm going to drag out my "Science" religion theory again to explain what's going on.

    The Oligarchy has decided to destroy small business, in order to transfer as much wealth, market share, and control as possible to corporations they own.  [Operative theory of Oligarchy: more power and money is always better.  There literally is never enough money and power to satisfy.  Monopolies are best.  c.f. Twitter, Facebook, Google, Apple.]  One mechanism to do this is via the school system.  Cripple schools for two years, and 50% of small business will be gone, with all those revenues swapped over to large corporations.  "Gosh we just can't do in-person learning anymore.  Way too dangerous."

    Result: instead of your local Mexican taco stand, two years from now you will be stuck with the utterly inauthentic Taco Bell - with the profits and market share going straight to the Oligarchy.

    And of course the reason they give us - is "Science."

    The secret is, "Science" actually has no rules, and no definitions; "Science" is a Power word that, when uttered by the Leader of "Science" - Pope Fauci - all must simply bow and obey.  That's because he's Pope Fauci!  Science!

    Examples include:

    • Lockdowns Prevent Disease = Science!
    • Wearing Masks - even if you are outside, alone, prevent disease = Science!
    • Experimental vaccines - required for everyone, including children and young adults at near-zero risk = Science!
    • There are no early outpatient treatments for COVID19 = Science!
    • Wal-mart: essential, local small business: non-essential = Science!

    My framing: when I hear the phrase "follow the science", I now think:

    "The cult leader has spoken.  The faithful must simply obey."

    To figure out the real motivation behind each edict, just ask yourself:

    1) what's the net impact of this action on money and power

    2) how will the Oligarchy profit from this impact?

    You can be sure that behind every (perplexing) Encyclical from Pope Fauci & his Cardinals,  the Oligarchy will end up winning in some way, shape or form.

    The challenge is figuring out the particulars.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 9:52am

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    Thanks

    I’m refusing to send my kids back to it. I feel better now!

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 9:52am

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    TestB4vaccinate— Jim H?

    Driving.  Jim H, show us your MD PhD immunologists explanation of his immunity from low grade ongoing work exposure.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 10:14am

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    Yes

    The lack of adoption of Ivermectin proves that; in most places anyway.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 10:36am

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    EddieLarry said:

    Dave, the cult leader for the early lockdowns was Donald J. Trump.  I think you are going a bit nuts here, but that is just me.  Luckily, I put my account status on do not renew!

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 10:38am

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    So many lies

    One of the big ones for purposes of this forum...

    Vaccines (as a generic statement) are safe and effective.

    They have NEVER been safe, and often are not very effective.

    But the public was brainwashed into believing this mantra.  So when Covid came along and an entirely different kind of vaccine was proposed, the public largely fell back on the comfort that vaccines had always been safe and effective before this, so maybe this time too!

    As an example - anyone who says, I'm skeptical about the C19 vaccines, but I'm not anti-vax, why all my children are up to date on their shots!  Phooey.  

    Even Chris believed, at least a year ago, that there were solid protocols in how vaccines had traditionally been developed.  Phooey.

    We have a lot of awakening left to do.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 10:44am

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    Reality Based Community

    All this talk of lies reminds me of this "Reality Based Community" rant from back in the day:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

    As I said, this has all been going on a long time.  Its just that Covid is the big, worldwide event that focused all of our minds at the same time.   And it happened at a moment when communication technology was sufficient to allow all of the "follower"  types and all of the "independent thinker" types  to regard each other on a worldwide basis in real time.

     

    The followers have never felt more secure in their numbers.   The independents have never had more opportunity to learn from their fellows.  Lets hope the independents feel enough solidarity and courage to keep the flames of reason and empathy alive.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 10:46am

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    Sars Cov 2 is an RNA virus

    The Covid 19 vaccines were finished about a years ago and tested for most of that year.  The skipped animal testing and Phase lll because we’re in a pandemic and lots of people died.  Cov 19 is really hitting India now where according to Chris and Dave, they are using HCQ and ivermectin.

    Based on our experience and data on Worldometer.com, vaccines seem to be workin very well.  Some people are allergic, some people have gotten blood clots but those numbers are small.  To say people are lying about it, is very dishonest IMO.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 11:37am

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    Yggdrasil said:

    Until we get the deep dive in the data no one can say how effective these jabs are. In a simple correlation review the start of jabbing in India coincides with the start of their second wave. The decline in cases in the UK in March of this year (with jab) matches the decline in cases last year (without jab). Even the UK's own modellers are now saying 60 - 70 % of new cases in the next wave will come from the jabbed. My take, this really is a complex situation with many variables, and pinning hopes on a wonder jab saving us all is just naive.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 11:42am

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    No

    I keep being told that India is being hit hard. But what I see is deaths in the 1000’s per day for a short time in a country of 1.3 billion.  They have a 179 per million population death rate.

    This in a country where 1 million die from diarrhoea  every year.

    No, this doesn’t warrant me being forced to take a “vaccine”.

     

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

     

     

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 11:49am

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    A small lightbulb went off for me this morning...

    I have been convinced for a while that there likely exists a fairly extensive cocktail of supplements and therapeutics, even beyond the FLCCC list, that would achieve near 100% efficacy as early treatment..    I think most of us can see that this would be so.  I hope that we can explore this territory together in the coming weeks and months.

    It would have been so logical to start more multi-therapy, or cocktail studies early on - if our healthcare was guided by rational people and not Pharma-fascism we would have been doing this.  Instead we got what we got;  lots of underpowered, mono-therapy (how many times did we yell in the HCQ studies;  Where's the Zinc?) purposeful overdoses of HQC, and even completely fake studies.  It's clear to me now that the right combination of cheap and safe off-patent drugs, and synergistic cheap and safe supplements were not wanted in the arena because if tested, they would have thrown off efficacy and decreased morbidity numbers in excess of what is claimed for the mRNA vaccines (95%).

    The mRNA vaccines were always the intended endpoint for this operation against humanity.  The pro-Vax propaganda is so thick as to feel suffocating.  We have the science to fight it, and we need to each learn how to wield it effectively.

    One interesting commentator that Sandpuppy is asking me to point to is Dr. Hooman Noorchashm, an MD, PhD Immunologist living in Pennsylvania.  He has a bunch of kids and he is very triggered of late by the call by many colleges and other organizations like the US military that everyone (of this young and mostly healthy cohort) get vaccinated.  He argues vehemently that no young person with prior immunity should be vaccinated.  While this is not my position - my 20 year old son will be vaccinated over my dead body, period, whether infected prior or not... it is an interesting argument in as much as it frames the benefits of natural immunity vs vaccinal immunity.  He also explains how these vaccines are likely particularly harmful to those who have experienced prior infection.  He has published a series of blogs and letters to institutions on Medium;

    https://noorchashm.medium.com/the-safest-way-to-get-your-covid-19-vaccine-screenb4vaccine-d8a9b0bb7cbd

    My very specific concern stems from the fact that the SARS-CoV-2 virus is known to accumulate in the inner lining of blood vessels — the so-called endothelium. So if a person with a recent or active COVID-19 infection is vaccinated, the highly effective and antigen specific immune response incited by the vaccine will, very likely, attack the inner lining of the blood vessel and cause damage, leading to blood clot formation. This could result in major serious problems like strokes and heart attacks, at least in some people. I project that this risk will be highest in the elderly, the infirm and those with cardiovascular disease.
    Of course, it’s not just the inner lining of blood vessels that the virus goes to in infected persons. Many tissues are invaded by the virus SARS-CoV-2 in infected persons. So a variety of tissues in the recently infected person will carry viral antigens that could be targeted and damaged by the immune system.
    This principle of antigenic persistence following infection is not a new one. In fact it is quite well established in the basic immunology field. HERE is one paper demonstrating the fact in the case of the Influenza virus and vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV). There is no reason to believe that SARS-CoV-2 or any other virus is any different: Viral antigens persist in the body of the infected for quite some time after clinical signs of infection have resolved.
    So, using this nearly certain scientific prognostication, I will state that any anatomic location in the body where the viral antigens may be present, is also likely to be targeted and damaged by the vaccine immune response.

    This then is yet another unique and science-backed argument against indiscriminate use of the mRNA vaccines.  This Doctor is trying to fight the system from within, by making a very technical argument that doesn't completely rock the vax boat, and for us it's another dot to connect.  He states openly that he is in favor of young people who do not have evidence of prior infection getting the vax.. a point I disagree on... but I do respect his fighting for this particular point that giving the vax. to those with prior infection increases the chances of harm;

      https://noorchashm.medium.com/are-you-the-concerned-parent-of-a-college-student-whos-had-covid-19-already-and-are-worried-about-7be5cda24bc8

    I am writing this letter to you because I know that if you have a child in college who has already had a COVID-19 infection, like myself, you are worried about the necessity and safety of the vaccine mandates being imposed by many colleges.
    I will start by stating, as a physician and immunologist, that indiscriminate vaccination of persons who are already naturally immune or recently infected is potentially dangerous to at least a minority subset of such persons. I have been warning the FDA, CDC and vaccine manufacturers of this likely hazard since January 2021. And though they have acknowledged my concern, no steps have been taken to avoid unnecessary and potentially dangerous vaccinations in the naturally immune or recently infected. I believe that this is a severe public health blunder on the part of FDA and CDC that has and will continue to result in unjustifiable “minority harm”.
    But, as a citizen of the United States and a physician/immunologist, I will not allow even the possibility of totally avoidable harm to my family. And I believe that you won’t either.

    But don't worry, because this is just anecdotal;

     

     

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 1:18pm

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    scrubbing deaths

    It's interesting how these adverse events are leaking into the MSM now.

    Dr Peter McCullough claims the reported vaccine deaths are being "scrubbed" from the data. I have no knowledge of whether this is true or not but he is an extensively published physician with front-line covid experience so his view is at least worthy of discussion.

    Top COVID Dr.: Gov’t ‘Scrubbing Unprecedented Numbers’ of Shot-related Deaths

     

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 1:23pm

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    CDC changes "breakthrough reporting rules" and PCR cycle rates for VAXED

    Let's change the rules so we get the results we're after department...

    CDC Changes Rules for Counting Breakthrough Cases, as More Fully Vaccinated People Test Positive

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 1:34pm

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    This is a religious war alright...

    DF hit a raw nerve for me, and now I need to unload.

    We are currently engaged in the modern day Crusades against the Knights Templar of the Branch Covidians. And they are riding their high horses straight at us with the Holy Jab to take us out of our mere human existence into the higher realm of GMO splendor.

    With unrivaled mustering in the history of the world, it seems Pope Fauchi the First has divided us amongst the heathens (scientific method believers) and the righteous (narrative chanters and purposeful sufferers).

    Logic won’t prevail. Science that isn’t vaccine-centric is voodoo. Reasoned discussion is now internet medicine and conspiracy theory.

    I’m a very spiritual personal, and I truly believe we are all energy bundles vibrating together temporarily as corporeal entities with a metaphysical center none of us can control or understand fully.

    But in the same sense that my verbiage EXACTLY explains my relationship with the universe as my Baptist deacon neighbor holds with his beliefs in his god, he still considers my existence unworthy of the rapture he will receive because  I don’t attend the same building at 8AM every Sunday that he does and repeat the same chants and perform the same synchronous kneeling he does with all his clubhouse pals.

    I see no difference in the Branch Covidians.

    This (similar) narrative has been played out since humans gathered together and spoke. And a few wanted control and money.

    The mRNA indoctrination is the new baptism of the approaching 8,000,000,000 population.

    And alas, the great priest Fauci spoke - “The devil called corona will engulf your world and destroy those you hold most dear if you breathe on them. You must humble yourself with mouth coverings and limited times in groups. Communion of the mRNA will absolve you of your guilty breathing, but remain meek as only true, repeat communion consumptions will keep you pure and righteous in the halls of the Branch Covidians!
    The promise of a return to normalcy will only happen if the heathens can be converted to see the spike. Those who refuse shall be smitten and disavowed from attending our churches of commerce and coronal worship.”

     

    Fucking moron assholes, each and every one of them Covidiots. And yes, I am explicitly implying the same for ANY fundamentalist religioous or otherwise beliefs.

    Faith without reasoning is for the unevolved and lazy brained humans. And although over 80% of my immediate family has been “vaccinated”, I say screw them all for their ignorance. They deserve what they get for signing the consent forms without reading them and still rolling up the sleeve.

    I am saddened, but my genetic offspring are what I now fight for. My parents and siblings hold nothing over my kids and their future.

    If need be, for the successful survival of my children, I will cut my Branch off the family tree and float down stream alone. Don’t want to, but won’t hesitate one bit to.

    Peace all. Happy Mother’s Day.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 1:54pm

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    Breakthrough Cases

    Thought this might be of interest:

    source

    The state Department of Public Health said Friday that Connecticut has recorded 242 breakthrough COVID-19 infections among the 1.47 million people who have been fully vaccinated against the virus, meaning they caught the disease after receiving both doses of an mRNA vaccine or a single-dose Johnson & Johnson shot.

    That means 0.02% of those fully vaccinated in Connecticut have contracted COVID-19. Of the 242 people, 159, or 65.7%, were women, and 58 were residents of congregate settings such as nursing homes or assisted living facilities. One hundred and nine, or 45%, were asymptomatic carriers.

    Thirty-two of those people have been hospitalized and three have died.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 1:56pm

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    Stay Classy

    Nice touch.

    Fucking moron assholes, each and every one of them Covidiots. And yes, I am explicitly implying the same for ANY fundamentalist religioous or otherwise beliefs.

    At least you ended on a positive note.

    Peace all. Happy Mother’s Day.

    Peace on you too.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 3:37pm

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    I find, at times like this ...

    ... it helps me to listen to my CD collection of Georg Philipp Telemann.

    I find it calms my nerves, and reminds me that well over two hundred years ago, unappreciated musical genius was there for everyone to see -- yet so few did.
    They just failed to look.

    I fully understand how in times like these emotions can run away with you, and may even, in the heat of a passionate moment, cause a person to say things they might come to regret later, or at least to go back and try to edit.

    Believe me.  I have done my share of that, myself.

    Right now, I will listen to Telemann.  Since the power is up, and the electronics are working.  I recommend this to anyone of similar mindset.

    It helped me, back when I was writing embedded microcomputer software for autopilots, and I find that it helps me now, too.

    Peace to you all, from Belize.

    -- Chuck

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 4:15pm

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    Classy words fail to describe

    While I’m now more educated and civil, I grew up the child of a blue collar Navy veteran, electrician and machinist. The things he and his coworkers have said in my presence might make your head explode if what I said made you comment.

    Vulgarity, when used properly, is the purest form of emotional communication I have ever understood. And your typical under-educated folk uses it more often than the more learned people.

    No manner of civility, eloquence or multi-syllabic word usage will ever convey the emotion of what a couple of well used four letter words can.

    I at least hope that my very carefully typed message above the two swear words I used made headway thru to you before it became your need to point out I cussed and will possibly be judged by that alone.

    Thanks for reading my words though. I hope to add something here if at the very least it is just my perspective and emotional state.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 6:15pm

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    Phred said:

    It is interesting what one says when taken by complete surprise. In my case it was "Holy S**t" when getting zapped by a radar capacitor bank.  Not an expression I recall using otherwise, and still can not figure out where it came from!

     

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 6:50pm

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    Chuck in Belize said:

    That's nothing.
    When I was 17 I worked in a TV repair shop and the shop dunce was David.
    It gave the rest of us intense pleasure to riff through a set of automotive feeler gauges onto a metal plate near but right behind him .. just as he had put his head into the back of a TV set to disconnect the anode lead from the CRT ...
    David actually fell for that quite a few times.  He wised up after a while, and learned to look behind him whenever he was changing a picture tube.
    He too, said some really choice words that us younger guys hadn't learned yet.

    yes .. I was somewhat of a naughty boy ...  I confess ...

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 6:58pm

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    Gradual, sub-clnical exposure to SC2 builds immunity

    Thanks Jim H--

    This cardiologist, James Marcum, has a youtube channel on health topics aimed at a Christian audience.  #BiblicalPrescriptionsForLife.

    He emphasizes the role of supporting his own immune system, weighs the risk-benefit ratio of the vaccine.

    "Take this question to God in prayer.  Ask Him for guidance if this vaccine is right for you."

    He then explains his own way of looking at the topic and why he is not getting vaccinated at this time.  His focus:

    1.   strengthening his own immune system (including Vitamin D3)

    2.  immediate antivirals at the onset of infection (does not mention any by name)

    3.  evaluating his personal risk strata (age, co-morbidities....)

    The most surprising thing is that he documents that he has antibodies agains SC2 and they are rising with time due to his ongoing exposure to infected patients, even though he was never clinically "sick" with COVID.    He was tested in December, then again 3-4 months later and showed that low levels of antibodies were present in December, and much higher levels 3-4 months later.  His high antibody level would classify him as "immune."

    He had his wife's blood tested and she also had antibodies, presumably due to her indirect exposure to the virus through him.

    He attributes that development of his antibodies to his healthcare provider work caring for Covid patients and the ongoing low level exposure to the virus at work.

    Dr Marcum clearly has a handle on the complexity of the immune response and understands that T-Memory Cells are the first line responders when a known pathogen is encountered again.  He located a commercial test for T-Memory Cells called "T-Direct."  (I am not familiar with this test, but have heard that they are in development.)

    He cites a paper on T-Memory Cells against SARS-Classic and MERS (two other coronaviruses) where T-Memory cells were found to be present 12 years after the clinical infection.

    He also voices his misgivings about receiving a vaccine for a condition for which he already has a rich immune response established.  The chance of over activation and including other tissues in an auto-immune response exists.  (Not proven, but a potential.)

    He recommends that people pray for guidance, but finds no fault with those who choose to vaccinate.

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 10:20pm

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    Pappy, perhaps you should re-examine your prejudices

    There are fundamentalist religious scientists and engineers who are packing IQ power you could only dream of having and possess eloquence that doesn't necessitate the simple mindedness of four letter words.  And they possess far more emotional control than you apparently do.  Try thinking before blurting out foolishness and painting people you don't even know with a broad (and inaccurate) brush.   

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  • Sun, May 09, 2021 - 10:23pm

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    blame Bad Orange Man!

    EL-

    Dave, the cult leader for the early lockdowns was Donald J. Trump.  I think you are going a bit nuts here, but that is just me.

    Hmm, did I mis-remember him saying, just two weeks after he went along with Pope Fauci (to shut things down in order to "slow the spread"), that we needed to reopen again, because we can't let the cure be worse than the disease?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488965-trump-hints-at-changes-to-restrictions-we-cant-let-the-cure-be-worse

    WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!

    Yes.  Much as I'd like to blame Bad Orange Man for literally everything that has ever gone wrong, anywhere, I do not think we can blame him for perpetuating the lockdowns.  It is fascinating to see how the Oligarchy is able to rewrite history.

    "We have always been at war with Eastasia."

    Eddie its unfortunate you are going, but - I think I understand why.  Its easier to think that Dave is going nuts, rather than actually sorting through whether what I've laid out is true or not.  If I'm right - even 1/2 right - acknowledging it will cause massive cognitive dissonance, and it will upend your life in some really disagreeable ways.

    "Whoa.  You mean there were no WMD in Iraq?  There were no Babies in Incubators?  No Missile Gap?  No Bomber Gap?  The War in Vietnam really was unwinnable - and they knew all along?  And the NSA really was spying on Americans - which meant that Old Jim Clapper lied under oath to Congress.  And - you tell me now that 3 buildings fell, but only 2 were hit by planes on 9-11?"

    And now you're telling me that Old Doc Fauci really doesn't care if we live or die?  But he's so charming!
    "No Treatments For You!" - because, Pope Fauci says so!  Its Science!  Come back to the hospital when you can't breathe anymore.
    Fourth Turning.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 3:51am

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    New common cold?

    I have contemplated if perhaps Covid  is simply a new common cold.  You get it as a kid when it doesn’t effect you much and then bump into it again every year or so and remount a minor immune response.  Of course if that is the case, we need to keep it floating around in the herd and the last thing we’d want to do is vaccinate kids.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 4:08am

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    brushhog said:

    "Yes.  Much as I'd like to blame Bad Orange Man for literally everything that has ever gone wrong, anywhere, I do not think we can blame him for perpetuating the lockdowns.  It is fascinating to see how the Oligarchy is able to rewrite history"

    Whats really fascinating to me is not so much the rewriting of history, but that people who were there will re-remember reality whichever way CNN tells them. EL was there last year when Trump ordered states to reopen a year ago and the democratic governors refused.....he listened while the CNN talking heads told him that "Trump doesnt have the authority to order the states to open". He applauded the democrat governors for defying the president. He was told that Trump was irresponsible for wanting to reopen, and he feverishly nodded his head at every word.

    Now CNN told him that Trump is responsible for the shutdown, so he deleted his previous memory and downloaded the new reality. NO internal contradiction, no little voice that says to him "wait it didnt happen that way", no crisis of conscience, just seamless conformity to the new narrative.

    Its got to be a different species, I truly believe I am incapable of thosekinds of mental gymnastics.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 4:49am

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    T-cell tests already commercially available in US

    Sand_Puppy wrote: (how do I do the blue copy thing?)

    "Dr Marcum clearly has a handle on the complexity of the immune response and understands that T-Memory Cells are the first line responders when a known pathogen is encountered again.  He located a commercial test for T-Memory Cells called "T-Direct."  (I am not familiar with this test, but have heard that they are in development.)"

     

    Canuck21 writes: The doctor said T-detect, not T-direct, see t-detect.com It is the first approved T-cell test in the States and is now commercially available. In this followup video he describes the test and the results: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZBXA0JjKpg

    OMG I want one!!!!!!!!! It would change my life to get one! But they are not available in Canada yet. All we have is Red Rose Tea (old Canuck insider joke). I may have to stick my arm across the Windsor-Detroit border and get someone to draw blood for me.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 5:00am

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    not by accident

    brushhog-

    I think there is something else going on here.  In the past, CAF has talked about "entrainment technology", without going into detail as to what it was.  I'm going through her information now to try and sort out what it consists of, technically.

    EL is a smart guy.  How did his brain get rewired?  I'm guessing it was media, but I'm guessing he had "help" of some sort - perhaps there is some sort of signal that makes people a bit more suggestible.

    I mean, if there was an Oligarchy, and they needed to pacify & dumb-down the public, and also harvest them at the same time, and turn them into soft-slaves, such technology would be a really useful tool.  First, for just calming people down, especially after (say) a decade of anti-war protests (1980s).  Then, for selling products (1990-2010s).  And finally up to today (2020) - as a help in imposing the (much needed) Great Reset.

    "You'll own nothing.  And you'll be happy!"

    Heaven only knows what Facebook does.  I'm guessing the dopamine shots are just a part of the whole game they're playing.  Most of society is totally phone-addicted.  That didn't happen by accident either: another sort of "entrainment" technology.

    https://www.endgame.news/2017-12-26-social-media-psychologist-reveals-facebooks-manipulation-tactics.html

    Do we really think facebook is the only organization to have ever gone down this path successfully?  Coke sure sells a lot of sugar water.  And - what ever happened to those WMD in Iraq?

    I'll post more when I have some sort of conclusion.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 5:35am

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    T-Detect.com

    Thank you Canuck21.  The T-Detect.com website offers this test to see if you have previously had a COVID infection.  Price $150.

    From their website:

    T cells are the first responders of the adaptive immune system and activate the antibody response. While antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) naturally wane and are detectable in the shorter term, T cell responses can persist in the blood long after antibody responses wane.1,2,4

    The T-Detect COVID test can detect T cells in a blood sample that can remain for up to several months after symptoms appear.1,2,3

    1. Zuo J, et al. Robust SARS-CoV-2-specific T-cell immunity is maintained at six months following primary infection. bioRxiv. 2020.

    2. Adaptive data on file.

    3. Ng, O, et al. Memory T cell responses targeting the SARS coronavirus persist up to 11 years post-infection. Vaccine. 2016.

    4. Dalai, S, et al. Clinical Validation of a Novel T-Cell Receptor Sequencing Assay for Identification of Recent or Prior SARS-CoV-2 Infection. medRxiv. 2020.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 5:42am

    Canuck21

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    T cell tests now in UK!!

    Thanks, Sand_Puppy. I have been browsing more and found a different T cell test is now available in the UK for anyone there. See https://www.tspotcovid.com

    and here is one place in London doing it

    The T-SPOT®.COVID test: IN CLINIC BY A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL (PREVIOUS INFECTION STATUS)

    Now all I need to do is wait three years for Health Canada to wake up...

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 5:48am

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    brushhog said:

    I think you're on to something very critical. There is SOMETING going on, its just too ridiculous to be organic. Another question would be why it doesnt seem to work on some of us? Are we operating on a different frequency? One that is more difficult to adjust externally?

    Ten years ago this conversation would have seemed crazy to me, but what I have witnessed over the past few years in this country is mind blowing. There is something very strange happening to people.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 7:36am

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    agreed

    I have heard CAF talk about this tech for years.  I never chased it down.  But - our conversation got me to thinking.

    This is CIA standard fare.  They live breathe and die on subversion, corruption, whatever it takes to fight for "the national interest."  No way they didn't go down this rabbit hole.

    Can we imagine they might have repurposed this tech for use in advertising?  To make a few more bucks for the Oligarchy?  And then it moved into the political arena.  And now its all throughout "news" broadcasts.  Step by step.

    Think the CCP doesn't have this too?  I'm sure they have it, for use domestically.

    It doesn't feel like a "sure thing", but when you combine it (like one of those multi-drug cocktails) with other techniques, getting people to get all tribal about stuff is quite doable, because that's how we tend to operate anyway.

    I really think that a whole lot of "operational technology" that was used on the Third World over the past 30-50 years (because - colonialism, only without all the sunk costs that the UK had to pay) is now appearing here domestically.

    The tech leaked from the CIA, into the hands of the Oligarchy.  Who are now using it for their own ends.

    Its a theory anyway.

    This is why I said "our problems aren't about tech."  Its something else.  Tech-related, certainly.  But we got dumbed down.  And I don't think it was an accident.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 7:39am

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    Jane B said:

    Brushhog, I think a small percentage of the population is simply hardwired differently. I exited the womb with eyes wide open, questioning everything. I continually slough off societal norms/conditioning as it is easy to see the hierachy and programming behind it. The conditioning today is as blatant as the "Stepford Wives" and is terrifying to witness.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 8:41am

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    Who asked you?

    Please refrain from giving unsolicited advice to me. You don’t know me, my intellectual capacity or IQ, my ability to discern the truth behind religion and spirituality or my relationship to the universe and/or God.

    I swore on a post for effect. Get over it.

    I’ve navigated almost five decades of fundamentalist BS (religious and otherwise) and I have thought longer and deeper about the words I’ve chosen to share with the world here than you know or purport to have calculated and then decided to decry that I haven’t done my due diligence.

    My opinion based upon decades of past worshipping, reading and personal study - religions are controlling entities who believe in a book or books written by humans and retranslated hundreds of times by humans as perfect manuscripts from God. All with tax incentives to boot.

    Jesus would be livid if he saw what has been done in 2000 years in his name since his passing, if he ever existed at all.

    Fundamentalism inhibits free thought. Predetermined beliefs affect thought patterns. Indoctrination is control.

    My unsolicited advice to you regarding your impressions of me and how I should live my life (cover your ears children) is to piss off.

    Argue the merits of my words I spoke in full, not just two of them I used for emphasis of a single emotion.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 8:42am

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    Conditioning the Population

    I don't think this is new. It has been going on for centuries. Only now it is becoming apparent because the internet has broken the oligarch's total control of the narrative.

    As I have stated previously; before the internet, the people only knew what they were told via newspapers, radio and television. The few who knew the truth had no means to communicate it to the rest of us. Only recently have we (the people) had the means to share information to a widespread audience.

    I believe the oligarchs know this and are cracking down in the blatant and obvious way we are seeing. Their control of the narrative is in danger and they are reacting in the only way they know how.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 9:40am

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "Ten years ago this conversation would have seemed crazy to me, but what I have witnessed over the past few years in this country is mind blowing. There is something very strange happening to people."

    I have the same experience.  I used to hear about the guy with cancer laughing that he may as well eat the shark fin since he's gonna die anyway and think, "Yeah at least with medicine I don't have to waste a lot of time researching alternatives".

    Nope.  Turns out HCQ, Ivm and even Vitamin D need to be kept from the public so that they don't injure themselves with "unproven remedies" as an experimental gene therapy is rolled out.  If I handn't watched it with my own eyes, you'd never get me to believe what's going on there.

    Everybody is clearly watching the same channels on TV,  reading the same facebook fact checks etc.  I still struggle with whether things are getting worse as behavioral psychology types exert the full power of their discoveries on us or whether its always been this way and the existence of the internet has allowed the minority to start looking out for themselves.

     

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 9:54am

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    Hurray...Chris coming to Polyface is GREAT news!

    So happy to hear that Chris will be joining the tribe at Polyface.  I sure hope Evie is well enough to make it too...our prayers will be with her.  Also really looking forward to meeting up with Motts and friends the day before the event to learn some technical wizardry in both PV and uncensorable ham radio/internet communications so we are not so dependent on centralized providers.  Can’t wait to see where this PP site goes in the future now that Chris will be back in control and 100% unmuzzled.  REALLY looking forward to reconnecting with the tribe...its been WAY too long.

    PS...Chris, the pasture seems to be coming along very nicely...didn’t see the TeePee and hope it is still there...great place to reconnect with nature.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 10:04am

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    wotthecurtains said:

    I've been meaning to chase down "entrainment" too.   Looks like the first search result here might be fruitful.  Theres an mp3 and everything so I can listen to it while my dog rips my arms off as I try to teach her to ignore rabbits.

    https://home.solari.com/?s=entrainment

    Entrainment otherwise seems to be a term CAF created on her own.  Ive always wondered about it since Ive occasionally found myself in a Best Buy with some 19 year old kid working me into a horrible cell phone plan while I think, "Why the hell is this going the way it is?  Its like there is a careful script at work here..."

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 10:33am

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    something is up

    I still struggle with whether things are getting worse as behavioral psychology types exert the full power of their discoveries on us or whether its always been this way and the existence of the internet has allowed the minority to start looking out for themselves.

    Yeah.  Wow.  Good question.

    Here's a thought.  There aren't many people who are "early adjusters" in terms of being able to notice and respond rapidly to some monster change in paradigm.  We are 1:200, or maybe 1:1000.  Maybe even fewer than that.

    But the Internet allows us to meet and swap ideas and reassure each other we aren't crazy - we're just early.

    Has it always been like this?  How can we possibly know?  History was written by the winners.  Right?

    Regardless - this is where we are now.  "Something is up" - a line spoken by Dr. Peter McCollough, interviewed on Tucker Carlson's new long form show, on rumble.  [This - also posted by Covid19Crusher.]

    This is apparently TC's first experience with the "No Treatments For You" storyline.  Do I believe this?  Not entirely.  He's smarter than that.  But maybe I give him too much credit.

    https://rumble.com/vgqfkd-full-interview-peter-mccullough-on-covid-19-successes-and-failures.html

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 11:25am

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    Entrainment

    Knowledge of this concept has been around for a long time. My first experience with the knowledge was Vance Packards _The Hidden Persuaders_. Then came Wilson Bryan Key"s _Subliminal Seduction_, followed by 2 more follow-up books, culminating in _Age of Manipulation_.  Persuaders is still available at Amazon. Key's books disappeared for a long time, but Manipulation is now at Amazon. A quick mention from one of them: humans can't resist light, color, and glass windows. First the department store windows, then TV, and, it was too early to mention, what you are looking at right now. Somewhere movement and mistakes became irresistible.

    Don't bother with Bernays' 2 books. There is nothing there but a zillion ways of saying how wonderful the world would be from propaganda, because everyone would be happy and agreeable. Over and over and over. So I guess repetition works as well.

    I highly recommend the Packard and the Key.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 11:27am

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    I like the F word, Phred

    I swear like a trooper, when I am alone and a fair amount when I am with close friends and family. There is nothing like the F word after bumping into furniture, tripping on something or having your computer go down. It just feels right. It's the short clipped consonants. 'Shut Up' is another one. I never use it but its a wonderful thing.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 11:45am

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    Mpup said:

    Something is up.  When have we strived to test the world’s population for an illness that shows no symptoms,  with a “test “ that wasn’t designed to confirm or diagnose the illness, using a “test” that that gives 80-90% false positive results?     “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself “

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 12:17pm

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    CAF entrainment

    Really, the worst for entrainement is any format you can't interact with. Television is the worst offender here.  I never watch them but think even CNN and FOX have a comments section, so that puts them head and shoulders above television in the past.

    CAF has it completely wrong on this score, if she thinks entrainment is getting worse.

    Like her a lot, followed her for years. Then she seemed to go right off the rails.

    The problem with seeing anyone as a victim of entrainment, particularly while regarding yourself as having escaped the same fate is this:

    The left side of the brain has been proven to be the hemisphere that de-enchants the world, due to its more utilitarian nature. If you develop the mind set that you are essentially surrounded by victims of entrainment, you are actively feeding the left hemishphere. Those regarded as entrained, are seen as mere robots responding to the world in a hypnotized or programmed way.

    The left side of the brain is focused, specific and de-enchants the world. The left side of the brain hovers  just above the ground and looks down. (in more ways than one) It feels it has the big picture and thinks it can break things down into tiny explainable, constituent parts. So, paranoia can set in.

    A typical paranoia that people with damage to the right side of the brain experience, for example, those with paranoid schizophrenia or psychotic depression, is the sense that others are essentially animated corpses or command driven meat-robots.

    Don't set yourself up for paranoia.

    Before getting into the topic of entrainment, one should read the work of Iian McGilchrist.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 12:20pm

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    brushhog said:

    "I don't think this is new. It has been going on for centuries. Only now it is becoming apparent because the internet has broken the oligarch's total control of the narrative.

    As I have stated previously; before the internet, the people only knew what they were told via newspapers, radio and television."

    I think this is a valid argument, the only problem with it is it doesnt completely jive with the past. There seems to have always been a strong thread of rebellion in this country...its almost what makes us Americans.

    In the 20's when prohibition came out, the entire country basically told the government to go fuck itself. There were 'speak easys' and more alcohol flowed during prohibition than before or after. It became cool to drink BECAUSE the government said not to.

    Can you imagine a speak easy in today's country of Karen's and mask Nazis? In the 60's and 70's a generation emerged that rebelled against war, marijuana prohibitions, and etc.. Those "hippys" of yesterday have more in common with modern day right wing libertarians, the party has moved FAR from those roots and into totalitarian leftism.

    Now I see 20 year old kids outside, by themselves, nobody around for a mile, and they're wearing masks....they're not the same people. I see the effects of a millennial generation that never experienced independent play....they are the product of supervised 'helicopter mom' parents who have grown up to become Karens and "inform on your neighbor" neighbors.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 12:44pm

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    expletives

    Excuse my little game here, but they're just fucking words and they mean something.  Get over it and don't let yourself be triggered by shit like that.

    At the same time, that some people are triggered by those words based on deep conditioning.  So you might want to refrain from using them if you want to reach those folks.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 1:04pm

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    entrainment

    What do you all think of this idea?:

    From my understanding that is how small-scale cultures operate, including those at and below the Dunbar # of 150 individuals.  They had/have common myths and stories that they take to be "true".  This serves to maintain group unity. Of course, in a small-scale society where everyone knows and depends on everyone else, this usually (often?) works out quite well.

    Larger scale societies operate this way too.  Sometimes there is good group cohesion and everyone has common interests.  In this case, things tend to work out for the common good at least in the short-term.  Big societies have big complexity and cause lots of unintended consequences.  Addressing these consequences with more complexity leads to more unintended consequences and more complexity to address them and so on.  At some point due to the diminishing returns of complexity or maybe other factors, the interests of those at the top diverge from everyone else's.  They then tend to use their access to large-scale communication (media) to manipulate the myth making to work in their favor, usually at the expense of everyone else.

    That is where we are today.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 1:10pm

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    sense of humor

    My 15 and 18 year old daughters and I call each other all sorts of names (idiot is their current favorite).  We are also ruthless in pointing out each others (and our own) character flaws.  We do this all with smiles on our faces and a good laugh.  And we take the criticism to heart and make changes base on it.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 2:28pm

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    Pappy, thank you for proving my points with your response

    It demonstrates that, contrary to what you think and your time invested, you don't know what you don't know.  Consider taking your own advice and statements about others and applying them to yourself.  It's interesting how the irony of your statements seems to escape you.  And consider working on that emotional control.  If you don't improve it, it's likely to get you into trouble, especially with what's coming down the pike.  You may have the last word as it's apparent that any further interaction with you is likely to be unproductive.  Much too much anger there.  Good day.  

    P.S. People can say they're just words but words can cut and wound like a sword and sometimes leave scars that never heal.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 2:31pm

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    bagginz said:

    It has been going on for centuries. Only now it is becoming apparent because the internet has broken the oligarch's total control of the narrative.

    As I have stated previously; before the internet, the people only knew what they were told via newspapers, radio and television. The few who knew the truth had no means to communicate it to the rest of us. Only recently have we (the people) had the means to share information to a widespread audience.

    I think all of that is true.

    Regarding the part in italics:  on the other side of the equation, the development of big tech/ social media / 24/7 "news" / personal handheld devices has allowed far greater social control/programming opportunities for the billionaire control freaks than they had before.

    Both sides have been empowered.

    Perhaps leading to a deeper dichotomy.

     

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 2:41pm

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    Systems approach, on complex systems

    QB
    What you suggest is to me a good "first approximation" but it's missing some things.

    My thinking is that it's not simply a matter of Number Of Members that defines what happens as groups become larger.

    Consider : Actuaries can tell their insurance company employers how many people of certain age groups, with certain characteristics, will be around to pay their premium next year.  Yet they have no clue whatsoever what specific individuals will be.
    But (as we all know) insurance companies make money because actuaries get it bang-on, or at least mighty close.

    But ... suppose one of the policyholders is a person deeply entrenched in halls of power.  Suppose whether that person lives another year, or does not, makes a huge difference in the Legislature.  Suppose the Legislature moves one way -- as the person is alive -- but a completely different way -- because, well, he's not.

    I'm talking about "chaos" here as a substantive factor. I believe it to be more important than almost anything else, in describing a system when that system contains feedback.

    As engineers and geeks know ... once you have feedback (both positive reinforcing, and negative suppressing) feedback, and on top of that, you have Time Lags between a "cause" and its "effect" you have oscillation.  You have a system which does not remain in a steady state.  It goes one way, then it goes another way.

    I think this bears very greatly on Howe's work on "Turnings."
    Time Constants are apparently getting shorter, as well. One factor is dramatic increases in speed of communication between individuals, and larger groups.
    So what used to take a while is likely to take a lot less time than it did before.

    Put that together, and then add "chaos" -- and, well, to put it bluntly, you have a mess.

    As I said a while ago, on another topic, science is pretty good at telling us how many Atlantic hurricanes we might get this year.  Or where a line of thunderstorms is likely to produce tornadoes.  What they cannot predict is, who will be killed? What buildings will be destroyed?  Who will be in them? What difference is that going to make?

    You see my point?  Maybe I'm just full of it, I dunno.
    But there's at least some further food for thought.

    -- Chuck

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 3:04pm

    Boomer41

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    Controlling the Narrative

    Brushhog,

    You wrote: “In the 20's when prohibition came out, the entire country basically told the government to go fuck itself. There were 'speak easys' and more alcohol flowed during prohibition than before or after. It became cool to drink BECAUSE the government said not to.”

    That may be true, but it isn't the same thing as the oligarchs controlling the narrative. In the example you give, the people were reacting, after the fact, to a situation imposed upon them by the government.

    I'm talking about the government (or whoever it is who writes the news) being able, before the advent of the internet, to tell the general public almost any story they wanted with very little fear of contradiction.

    Prior to the internet, anyone who wanted to contradict the propaganda being pushed by the-powers-that-be could only hold a public meeting or write a book. When Thomas Paine published his broadsheet 'Common Sense' it had the largest sale and circulation of any book published in American history at a time when the population of America was only 2.5 million. To achieve a similar distribution today, without the internet, would be impossible.

    You and I have the theoretical possibility to establish virtually instant bi-directional communication with more people than Thomas Paine ever dreamed possible. More than ten YouTube channels have in excess of one hundred million subscribers. https://socialblade.com/youtube/top/100/mostsubscribed

    This is really 'people power' and I believe that it has the oligarchs seriously worried. There is no other explanation for the aggressive censorship and de-platforming of voices which oppose their narrative.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 3:45pm

    Pappy

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    I don’t know what you’re talking about, ao

    Seriously. How do you know so much about me? More so than myself it seems.

    I don’t get what you’re problem with me is. I swear. Like the son of a sailor. It offends you. OK. You said that. What else?

    Is it my belief that organized religions are control pieces for those looking for answers but can’t find it themselves?

    Is it that I do have anger, rightly so after the last year? Am I supposed to be in denial of my very human emotions?

    Should I join a church, replace shit in my vocabulary with amen?

    Would you like to tell me how to properly raise my kids or make love to my wife?

    What “should” I do to appease you?

    As if I asked for help from anyone (I didn’t) and you decided it was up to you to run to my rescue.

    Do you want an apology for my one sentence which offended you and started this whole debate? Keep holding your breath

    I have no clue what would make you happy with me, and I don’t care.

    If you think my vulgarity in a single post is a statement of my potential survival in times to come, and it is so offensive compared to the shit this world is presently spewing everywhere every day, perhaps you won’t survive what’s coming.

    I attacked a movement of herd mentality that is consuming people faster than anything in human history with my words, and I equated it to one of the oldest herd mentalities in existence.

    I don’t remember verbally attacking you or any single individual specifically.

    I love my Baptist Fundamentalist neighbors dearly, I truly do. But their ability to discern reality from their “anointed and promised place in heaven” where I’m not to be allowed is something I can do without.

    Sorry you and I can’t be friends. It would be so much fun if you came over for a BBQ and chastised me repeatedly for making noises out of my mouth you have been indoctrinated to react to.

    Would you also like to tell me to refrain from butt noises to whenever I feel the need to fart?

    To get to the root of the matter, is my swearing all you retained from my post?

    I made quite the overarching parody against Fauchi and the pharma industry and those getting the jab. It was downright blasphemous if I do say so myself.

    Could we discuss the propaganda that is encompassing the world presently and making me so mad?

    Chuck from Belize is currently out $1,000’s of dollars because he won’t take the jab. Should we abstain from anger for his monetary loss to a cruise line that already spent his money and wants him to participate in a massive global genetic experiment?

    How about the legal costs it takes to not die in an ICU when asking for a $2 pill of IVM?

     

    Methinks you’re looking to be righteous and save me. Don’t bother. I’m a dirty boy, I cuss and I think any herd mentality behavior is disgusting. Be it religion, self-proclaimed naughty word police and judgement bringers or the current jab-crazy percentage of the populace that will also soon judge me.

    This country was built on angry men and women fighting for their right to swear and be happy or angry. It’s the first freaking amendment to the bill of rights.

    Also included in there is the freedom of AND from religion.

    I don’t think the freedom from swearing is a god given inalienable right in there, but maybe I missed it the last few times I read our founding documents.

    I’m willing to have a discussion of the substance of my words, but you have chosen to discuss the flavor of my words.

    I wish you no ill will, and I hope your refined etiquette will save you from the coming collapse.

    But I don’t think properly placed silverware, fully pressed attire and verbal eloquence will feed my children when gas is $10 a gallon and I need to supply my personal medical information or biological samples to go shopping or receive a doctor’s appointment.

    Thank you for releasing my pressure valve with your full characterization of my mental status and prognosis of my future failures in a collapsing world.

    I love that I know not what I don’t know. I accept it.

    I don’t like that you appear to know it all and have judged me on the the use of “fucking moron assholes.”

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 4:05pm

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    brushhog said:

    Boomer, I agree we can TALK and share information but where is the rebellion? Where are the people burning their masks? Where are the "speak easies"? This thing has been imposed and the level of submission and conformity is unreal, I dont think any previous generation would have stood for it.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 4:46pm

    Pappy

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    Religious parallel

    The fear of the unknown (god/virus) striking you down if you don’t comply is why.

    This was the point I attempted earlier with my parody of Pope Fauchi before I was sidetracked.

    This is religious dogma masquerading as science and infectious public health.

    Even the Christian USA is afraid to screw with Israel, in case they really are the children of god and repercussions will occur.

     

    Replace Israel with CDC and Christians with a large subset of the US populace.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 5:30pm

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    Rebellious Acts

    Brushhog, I don't know about you but I am rebelling just as hard as I can.

    Immediately we were told to stay home, wear masks and distance ourselves, I loaded up on Vit.D, Quercetin and zinc and took off on a bucket list item - driving coast to coast - and, in the process, spending lots of time with my sons and grandkids. I visited eighteen states, six national parks and only wore a mask when required for politeness or entering otherwise prohibited premises. I stayed in umpteen hotels, ate in even more restaurants and had a great time. The lack of crowds was exhilarating.

    No sooner back from my coast to coast trip, I went to France and defied their lockdown too.

    I have made it a personal crusade to inform as many people as possible about the crimes against humanity being perpetrated by Fauci, the CDC, WHO etc.. Not to mention publicizing, to the same group, the work of America's Frontline Doctors, Dr. Peter Mc Cullough, Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche and our own Dr. Chris Martenson.

    This coming weekend I will be demonstrating at the Rally for Freedom in Concord NH. https://worldwidedemonstration.com/

    I know it's not much, but when the barricades go up, my pitchfork and I will be there too.

    What are you doing?

    Edit: Needless to say, I also refuse to be 'vaccinated'

     

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 5:55pm

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    The Sheeple

    For all of you haranguing each other about religion, (and most of you have it, whether its a private form or a public), remember "the Last Supper" was not "the Last Food Fight."

    What's a tad disconcerting is anybody who belongs to anything thinking they are part of an exclusive club that has all the answers and find sport in demonizing those who merely have questions. I guess they must be what you call the 'sheeple.'

    The amount of 'truth' one has a handle on is inversely proportional to how much they  use the word. I doubt Jesus himself used it very much and I know darned well most scientists practicing actual science shy away from absolutes.

    In other words, chill the f*k out.

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  • Mon, May 10, 2021 - 7:31pm

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    intheor said:

    well said.

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 12:02am

    Time2help

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    Chuck in Belize - Systems Approach

    @Chuck...we are living in an undamped, unstable system. The break will be one for the ages.

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 3:59am

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    Ready to Blow

    T2h, You are so right. Any engineer, looking at the graph below, will tell you something is about to blow - real soon.

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 4:23am

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    The Last Food Fight.

    Thanks for the chuckle.

    I beg to differ. This food fight is as old as Abrahamism.

    They have been at war with the Dharmic religions ever since Abraham struck a deal with an apparition in the desert.

    The Dharmic Manifesto has a lot to recommend it.

    Do you know why it is considered an ill omen to set sail on Friday? Because our beautiful and wise Freya asked us to keep Her day for feasting and friendship.

    It's in our (Saxon) Oera Linda.

    What we need to do is to elect from our wisest maidens, an Overmother.

    She must have the power of veto over any government laws.

    She may advise, but not command.

    (It is the natural proclivity of females towards the Humanities, and of males to defence and "Things". Let us make use of this fact)

    Yes Gladys; religion is not an optional extra. Ref: Dr. Dutton, evolutionary psychologist, "The Jolly Heretic", YouTube.

    Choose your mountain wisely. You don't want to find an angry old man with a beard at the summit.

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 4:35am

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    complex systems

    Sure, Chuck, it's complex, chaotic and unpredictable.  We can outline a general trend that will be followed, but the details and timing are difficult or impossible to predict.

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 4:38am

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    Break will be one for the ages

    As if on cue, The Fall of Civilizations on youtube, very good imho:

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 4:38am

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    brushhog said:

    Excellent Boomer41, excellent.

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 4:52am

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    Is this the one they stopped reporting?

    One of the financial YTers I follow said the Fed stopped reporting money supply but I know there are different M numbers.

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 7:53am

    Doug

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    wotthecurtains

    "FWIW, I noticed the exact same pattern after someone overthrew Ukraine's government and then Russia moved into Crimea.   There was never any discussion about whether a new Cold War, complete with nuclear arms race was in anyone's interests and anyone who suggested it wasn't was said to be sucking Putin off."

    I'm not sure what your point is, but to clarify, the Yanukovych gov't in Ukraine was overthrown by by mass grassroots protests by Ukrainians, known as the Maidan revolution, that had been largely peacefully ongoing for months before the Yanukovich gov't committed mass murder of about 100 protestors.  Russian special forces rescued Yanukovych from Kyiv and a few days later spirited him out of the country into Russia, where I believe he lives under Putin's protection to this day.

    Shortly thereafter, Russia seized Crimea and there has been an ongoing low intensity war, in which 15,000 Ukrainians have dies, largely instigated by Russia in eastern Ukraine.  Recently Russia massed troops on the Ukraine border, but has pulled some of them back within the past couple weeks or so.

    Ukraine: Six years after the Maidan

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/22/europe/russia-military-ukraine-border-exercises-intl/index.html

     

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 8:48am

    Chuck in Belize

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    The Maya - A collapsed civilization

    Less than an hour's drive from where I live, there is a stupendous place called Lamanai - which in Mayan translates to "Submerged Crocodile."  Less than half of it has been excavated.  The place is awe-inspiring.  Here's a picture I took there in 2018.

    We've taken our children there, and have been there at least 6 other times with friends and guests.  The tour guides are absolutely top-notch.

    Anyone who comes to Belize absolutely must make it a point to visit at least one of the great many similar places.  This is the kind of thing to put on a Bucket List, IMHO.

    -- Chuck

    Ps:  If you visit, the absolute best tour guide I know is Nate. I can put you in touch with him.  I believe you'll like him, too.  His wife teaches high school mathematics in Orange Walk.  They're good people.

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 9:23am

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    Doug... really?

    I know I’m not supposed to feed the trolls… But geez Doug. Perhaps you could take a little time to research what happened from 2011 to 2014 in the Ukraine as far as training missions for the coup and the snipers involved. Russkys seizing Crimea. 🤣

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 12:07pm

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    Tycer

    Perhaps you could enlighten us.  I know that Yanukovych was elected president in 2010 after some nastiness about corrupt dealings over Russian gas.  He made it only three years before the Ukrainians became upset with him for leaning more and more toward Russia rather that promoting closer ties to the EU, which led to the Maidan revolution.  Do you have something that would alter what happened thereafter?

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 2:03pm

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    Brushhog, boy did you nail it for me! Couldn’t have said it better and we’re doing the same thing here in North Central Ohio.
    #resiliency

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 2:05pm

    Chuck in Belize

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    Mike, your video posting was amazing.

    If this doesn't constitute a rhyming verse in history, then I don't know what does.
    Especially the ending narrative that begins about an hour into the video.
    Prior to that point -- a centralization of control and power;  interdiction in trade; more and more control over a people from central authority.  Overstressing resources.  Trying to increase production beyond limits.  Natural (black swan) events.

    Seriously.  It's all in this video.  What happened more than a thousand years ago is right here, right now, for anybody with a set of eyes and a pair of ears.

    Seriously, if you think about it in this way first, and then go watch this video,
    it is unmistakable.  I'm going to have to go back to Lamanai at least one more time, with all this in mind.  I think I need to call my friend Nate and arrange a tour.

    I think if you watch this video, while you split-screen on the news today,
    you will see precisely what I am saying.  We have been here.  Already.  It's unfolding. Again.

    History really does rhyme.  And here is a verse.
    Thanks again, Mike.  Awesome.

    -- Chuck

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 3:26pm

    Mots

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    Mike`s posting of Inca civilization collapse video

    Mike, Chuck you are absolutely right, I also watched the video.
    But let`s not forget that history provides both examples AND solutions for civilization collapse.
    Collapse of Rome was accompanied and followed by self-sufficient communities (generally monasteries) that kept the best part of the past alive.  The rational people of the era get together and build communities away from the falling edifice.

    I think that many here have already understood the problem and are working on this solution. I myself do not have any money for tour guides as I am putting all my resources into community building.  I look forward to learning much from Honey Badger Farms.

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 4:23pm

    Chuck in Belize

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    Rhymes in History

    I am 2/3 of the way through another reading of Michael Crichton's novel Timeline, and of course I already know how it turns out.  Yes, Monasteries were extremely important for lots of reasons, but to me mostly because they were repositories of knowledge (and only secondarily, religion).  After all.  These were guys that figured out how to make good beer. Leather.  Ironwork.  Woodwork.  Clockwork. ... and so on.  Their books were not burned.  Thank <<insert Your Favorite Deity here>> for that.

    My reading of the past, and the fiction about the Future, and what we can all certainly see of the Present ... tells me that, yes. We are in for some very turbulent times.  Our children and our grandchildren didn't ask for it, but ... there you have it.
    That's how it is.  Deal with it.

    (Monty Python -- BRING OUT YOUR DEAD !!! -- comes to mind.)
    God. That was a funny movie.  You couldn't get by with it nowadays of course.

    My thinking is that if you want to catch a glimpse into the near and extended future, it would pay to study the history of the Dark Ages, the Middle ages, and finally the Renaissance.  Such study gives me a certain amount of hope.

    Even when everything may seem hopeless, still there is hope.

    That's what I try not to lose sight of.
    My point in what I said earlier was, "We've seen this all before. Let's at least try to learn from it.  We can at least make NEW mistakes."

    -- Chuck

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  • Wed, May 12, 2021 - 10:51am

    Doug

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    Russia - Crimea conflict Tycer

    For those who have an interest:

    "To hear Russian officials tell it, Ukraine’s leaders since 2014 have forced Russian speakers in the country to “renounce their identity or to face violence or death.” The reality is different in Kherson, where many residents still value some common bonds with Russia, including language — but want no part of a further military intervention by Mr. Putin."

    Russkys seizing Crimea. 🤣

    Tycer, do you think Russia's "annexation" of Crimea is a laugh line?

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