Chris sits down with Dr. Scott Jensen, M.D., a successful family medicine/general practitioner and former Minnesota state senator, now running for the hotly contested Minnesota governor’s seat this November.

Dr. Jensen reflects on his decision to enter the race, and the political arena in general, as a direct result of the rise of authoritarianism and associated societal collapse which have emerged following the COVID-19 pandemic. He fears what without a swift redirect back toward traditional doctor-patient relationships and re-established trust with our government and public institutions, that the U.S. will face the same grim fate of other failed states.





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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 8:07am

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    A Voice of Reason and Calm

    Dr. Scott Jensen added the element of Faith to the treatment protocol. He makes the strong point that personal reflection and a meditative attitude can be a healing and calming therapy.

    I’d vote for this man in a heartbeat and love the fact that he started the interview by pointing out that his wife is an integral part of his campaign. He represents all that is good in humanity and politics.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 10:08am

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    Forewarned is forearmed.

    I take it upon myself to warn the good doctor of the Hubrid takeover. Unless he grasps the significance of Dr. David Jacob's findings he will be grist for the mill.

    Ref: ICAR

     

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 10:12am

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    How inspiring!

    This was a joy to listen to! Eloquent, thoughtful responses, two-way dialogue, and 'Martensense' throughout. A breath of fresh air indeed!

    His intellect and demeanour, how he comports & expresses himself, and what he espouses is representative what the new normal should look like in politics - across the board.

    So impressed am I with Dr. Jensen that I had the thought if he wins I wanna move to Minnesota! That speaks volumes.........

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 11:24am

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    news story

    not relevant to this video but did anyone see the original clip of the story of the guy that stopped a robbery? I saw it and at the end the guy said "epstine didn't kill himself" right at the end. It caught her off guard. She said "ohh Clever". I saw the clip on yt and wondered if they left it in. Of course not. Cut it off right before he said it. 





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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 11:35am

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    and then there's this

    He really says a whole lot of nothing. But they are now bringing up the side effects and trying to soften them down to make it no big deal.





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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 11:53am

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    Please stay on topic

    With all due respect, and knowing you are a new member Richard Ward, I would like to suggest that these kind of articles are more applicable to and can be posted to the Daily Digest comments.

    It is supremely frustrating to see such posts on great content like this, as well as other content and forums. All too often things get hijacked by off topic comments and news items.

    Please help us to keep PP a bit more organized and easier to keep track of things. With so many new people joining the site, often creating new forums when all they are doing is making comments, is, for this long time member, frustrating to watch.

    Speaking for myself, when I want to post something but do not know where to put it, I often just put it in the DD comments. It seems to be a good place for that kind of thing.

    Thanks for contributing and for your consideration in helping keep the site well managed! 🙏🏻

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 12:02pm

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    ok

    I Realize it kind of messes things up. Unfortunately most of the time I try to go anywhere on the site it just doesn't direct me anywhere. I can barley get to the main home screen most of the time.

    Can't wait for the new site

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 12:04pm

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    Hubrid Humphrey was from Minnesota too

    Lyndon Johnson's VP was a Hubrid from Minnesota who called himself Humphrey.  This stuff goes way back.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 12:14pm

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    Thanks!

    I can certainly appreciate your sentiments... no question this platform has challenges. Here is to hoping the new site will help us in that regard.

    And welcome to PP, by the way! Hope you find time spent here worthwhile!

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 1:06pm

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    The site is clunky, but they are working on it

    Have some faith and patience in the PP team.  They will fix this and the content is worth dealing with the clunkiness for now.

    In the meantime Richard, welcome and thanks for bringing things to the table.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 1:06pm

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    Biblical References

    It takes a degree of courage to cite Scriptural passages in today’s political climate. Of course the good doctor is reaching out to good, level-headed people, so it follows. And Esther’s Uncle Mordecai spoke those words to the queen because her people were threatened with annihilation. It would seem that Dr Jensen also sees the storm that many others see coming, with life and liberty at stake—as is blatant to any who are paying attention.

    I don’t see how it will happen—though through the agency of people of his caliber becoming involved in the political process it might be achieved—but this nation is, I believe, destined to overcome the forces intent on destroying the republic (cf. Revelation 12:14, “the two wings of the great eagle”). It seems a long shot, but it is my understanding and my belief.

    We have a lot to go through, perhaps an awful lot, but the doctor’s words of decency and reason feel like bedrock and fresh air.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 1:09pm

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    Sorry but...

    So this guy started a "Doc in the Box" became successful, expanded, and is now raking in millions without even practicing and now goes into politics. You all need to do some research into the Doc in the box phenomon and how that dynamic has not helped healthcare get better at all and in fact made worse. They simply collect hypochondriacs with very good insurance then sit back and turn the crank.

    He will indeed make a good politician as he can answer questions with lots of platitudes and round about thoughts without ever really answering the question.

    He never answers why there was an active, aggressive, concerted effort to deny life saving treatment and suppress beneficial medications.

    Super nice guy but ....

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 1:19pm

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    Follow the money...?

    It would be nice to think it's just all about money or politics - for instance, wars in recent years are now seen as huge scams on the taxpayer & lives of soldiers... But the suppression of early treatments enabled new biotechnology to be tested on billions of people....

    Those working for the institutions do indeed behave cult-like - but they also benefit  from these hierarchical systems, so it is in their interest not to rock the boat. They often employ people of similar mind-set too...

    Sections of the public have been equally pampered over the decades & find it easier just to go with the flow as long as it seems to be in their interest. Couple this seemingly, self-serving conformity with the unregulated, unethical, powerful 'weapons-grade' psychological-tools being deployed through all media by the corporate-state, & you have the perfect conditions for a mass psychosis & possible follow-up genocide.

    The term: 'fattened up for the kill' seems apt here....

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 1:28pm

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    Salon Sez…

    Salon savages him, so I’m automatically inclined to be supportive of him. I read on other sites that he is open to alternative medicines—which is laudable, given Pharma’s toxic grip on modern medicine. I think “doc-in-the-box” is perhaps not the best description of a wellness center that incorporates common sense health measures.
    It was just a quick look—I don’t live in Minnesota so my dog isn’t in that hunt—but apart from the political hit pieces I didn’t see anything discrediting.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 1:32pm

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    Liz Smith said:

    You mean Hubert Humphrey

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 1:34pm

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    gadams said:

    It is Hubert Humphrey. I lived in Minnesota when Hubert was active in politics. He could take 30 minutes to answer a single question. I have often referred to anyone that just goes on and while talking as being having attended the Hubert Humphrey school of public speaking. I guess the number of people who have any idea what that would mean has dwindled to a very small percentage.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 2:48pm

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    Media hit piece on Dr. Jensen

    Many false accusations in this piece.
    https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/10/20/vaccine-doubts-fuel-dr-scott-jensens-rise-in-minnesota-governor-race/

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 4:25pm

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    How the middle became the RIGHT.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 4:52pm

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    "Hubrid Humphrey" was intentional

    Yes, I was making a joke based on Arthur Robey's earlier comment (#2):

    I take it upon myself to warn the good doctor of the Hubrid takeover. Unless he grasps the significance of Dr. David Jacob's findings he will be grist for the mill.

    According to Wikipedia:

    aliens were attempting to create human–alien hybrids, the most advanced stage of which in the "human hybridization program" are known as hubrids.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_abduction#Later_developments

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 5:02pm

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    If the Covid-19 vaccines are a bio-weapon:

    - Would it make more sense to them to cull the uncooperative unvaccinated rather than those who passed their loyalty test by getting the shots?

    - What about the Chinese and Russian vaccines?  Are they lethal too?

    - What about all the unvaccinated in Africa?

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 5:10pm

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    Graph of US death rates (all causes) 2021 to date vs previous years? I think we should start following this.

    One of the big questions in most of our minds, and certainly in mine, is whether the Covid Vaccines are, or are going to, eventually and substantially increase mortality. A year ago I was more concerned about Covid deaths.   Once the vaccines were rolling out, many here began speculating that the Covid vaccines, themselves, needed to be monitored for excess mortality or other permanent health impacts.  Six months ago, I thought the US government (or, at least, the medical establishment) could be trusted to more-or-less (adjusted for incompetency) to follow long term Vaccine side effects.  Now, most of us are beginning to expect otherwise. (Yeah, I am late to the Theorist camp; I've been naive.)

    Now, motivated in part by 1.0 listening to Cliff High 2.0 listening to episodes of "The Squid Game" and 3.0 going to look at a duplex for sale and figuring out it is for sale because someone died, and I suspect, was rotting in one side for some time), I thought it was time to check up on ALL CAUSE mortality in the US year over year, ideally by month.  I can't find that chart, and yet I figure the data must be out there -- and I trust it wouldn't be doctored (no pun intended), provided I only looked at "all cause".

    Can anyone find that data source and post it? Ideally, I think we should be following it, forward, pretty closely for, at least the FIVE years, or so, one could reasonably expect it might take before side effects of the vaccines can be pretty-much fully be expected to express themselves.  Other things might be interesting to watch as well, but all cause mortality is the only thing I am particularly curious about following (mostly because almost everything else is apparently, or should sensibly be expected to be, a deceit...in a sick society under a sick government pushing for all non-sick children to Squid Gamed in order to, purportedly, keep old farts from risk...children be damned).

    Seriously, I would think such graphs would be out there and easy to find. I am not finding that to be the case.   Instead, I am finding all manner of crapola -- mostly pushing the narrative of Covid "statistics" -- even though I deliberately didn't ask *anything* about Covid statistics.

    It would be nice to have an internet where ads could all be silenced and questions asked would be questions answered without all the crapola. Maybe AI will eventually give us that (I won't hold my breath).

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 5:16pm

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    There's Our World In Data

    There's this source:

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=CAN~BEL~AUS~ARG~NZL~GBR~USA~RUS~NOR~SWE~CHE

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 5:45pm

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    Bonesaw93 said:

    One can look at total deaths which pulls out the noise of causes adjusted for population size.  You can find a chart of total adjusted deaths in the US from the CDC (you must make the chart from their data).  This takes into account Covid as well as the increases in other deaths (such as suicide, OD, etc).  Admittedly as someone who has dug through CDC datasets in the past, with covid a lot of statistics I would like to see to run some analysis on are hard to come by in the US.

     

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 5:48pm

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    Holding the Middle & Yeats

    I like the visuals of this cartoon - the very small center line and the 2 larger areas on either side.  Perhaps if we got a large bucket of paint and began redrawing the small center divide so it's two-thirds of the total picture, rather like a Bell Curve model of distribution in Nature, it would help to de-escalate the charge on both sides.

    The poor "middle" has been steadily dwindling since the 1960's in the U.S.  And now it's scarcely a line.  That's how important holding what we have left of the middle is at this time.  That entails acknowledging the conflict without becoming "this or that."

    Written in 1919 after the first World War, Yeats captures the dire tone of the era.  And to us currently undergoing our own dire era, we can remember this has been before.  We can make different choices.  We can decide peace is more preferable to chaos.

                                                               The Second Coming
                                                              William Butler Yeats
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
    The darkness drops again; but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
    Source: The Collected Poems of W. B. Yeats (1989)

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 5:52pm

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    Neil Oliver: 'Hey Government, we are not stupid'





     

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 6:23pm

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    Again a great interview, but there is more to Newton

    Sorry, I'm kind of a science nerd. The story with Isaac Newton is way more complex, and actually a very good illustration of our current predicament imo. As a person I think that Fauci is kind of like Newton, sans le brains of course. Newton wasn't liked a lot, and as a head of the British Mint, he really liked the yellow stuff, he was pretty eager to get rid of potential opponents in not so nice a way, usually by beheading them because of "counterfeiting".

    The only reason that Newton started to think about gravity and such, was that the Britisch government established the Board of Longitude in 1714. Because many a ship ran ashore on the coast of Dover after trips of years ---loosing huge investments a valuable cargo--- a reward was promised for the best method to determine the longitude. There were three serious contesters, Newton, who as said before really got a hard 'n from the yellow stuff. A French dude with a very impractical plan utilizing the lunar position that resulted in the well known Almanac, and John Harrison, a furniture maker. John invented an extremey accurate chronograph. And we all know that Newton wanted to use the position of the stars, but to do that, he had to come up with a theory how everything worked up there, and down here for that matter.

    While the chronograph was pretty practical, it was, and still is a spectacular piece of technology. A good chronograph like "Patek Philippe" can set you down hundreds of thousands of dollars. Newtons solution was brilliant, but still impractical at the time. Only with the advent of satellites and GPS, say, 300 years later, this became a valid solution. Of course, John Harrison won, but the Board didn't want to give a simple man like that the award ---in todays currency the award was several million dollar worth. He was awarded the price posthumous though, so much for honesty, how sad this John must have been

    Interestingly enough, if one would visit Greenwich, England, you could have a look at the wooden clock build by John Harrison. His knowledge of wood was so deep that the clock hardly needs maintenance due to the use of different types of wood, some oily, some not.

    The interesting thing here is that we are now witnessing a similar dynamics: a highly cerebral activity called science, and related scientists believing that they are the only ones who can solve a crisis, much like Newton, while more down to earth persons come up with other solutions, pretty practical, and based on observational data. The role of the nasty power hungry, and yellow stuff hungry little MF playing nasty games behind the screen is now played by Fauci. Given what I know about Newton, I think it is highly likely that he had a hand in the refusal of the Board to acknowledge that Johan Harrison had won.  And last but not least, we could liken the Board of Longitude with for example the FDA and CDC, all these entities were not driven at all by facts, or science, although they all promised fairness, honesty and rationality.

    Really, we have all been here before, if we would just try to "remember" it all, and act accordingly...

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 7:03pm

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    One of the most relevant quotes for what is happening.

    „The moment we no longer have a free press, anything can happen. What makes it possible for a totalitarian or any other dictatorship to rule is that people are not informed; how can you have an opinion if you are not informed? If everybody always lies to you, the consequence is not that you believe the lies, but rather that nobody believes anything any longer. This is because lies, by their very nature, have to be changed, and a lying government has constantly to rewrite its own history. On the receiving end you get not only one lie — a lie which you could go on for the rest of your days — but you get a great number of lies, depending on how the political wind blows. And a people that no longer can believe anything cannot make up its mind. It is deprived not only of its capacity to act but also of its capacity to think and to judge. And with such a people you can then do what you please.“ —  Hannah Arendt 1974

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 7:38pm

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    Reply to SeanR

    "- Would it make more sense to them to cull the uncooperative unvaccinated rather than those who passed their loyalty test by getting the shots? - What about the Chinese and Russian vaccines?  Are they lethal too? - What about all the unvaccinated in Africa?"

    Who said the jabs are being used for a cull? However, they may be intended for control purposes & to discriminate against the out-groups who refuse them. Also, they do appear to be toxic... Incapacitating an enemy (the public in this case) is often more beneficial than killing them outright in a conflict - as the former uses more resources...

    Russian & Chinese jabs are different - I think I heard that China were pausing their rollout. Also, central Africans don't leave much of a carbon footprint...

    I believe it is feasible that a bioweapon could be deployed to specifically target either the vaccinated, or those pesky unvaccinated. Perhaps the power elites want strong individuals - not sheep, to face the new challenges of a resource-scarce future...

    The thing with a mass psychosis is that if it made any sense, then it wouldn't be a mass psychosis...

     

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 8:00pm

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    Yeah, OneJab

    OneJab said "I believe it is feasible that a bioweapon could be deployed to specifically target either the vaccinated, or those pesky unvaccinated. Perhaps the power elites want strong individuals - not sheep, to face the new challenges of a resource-scarce future..."

     

    In moments when I need a pick-me-up, I flatter myself by thinking that when you cull the herd, you cull the weak and unproductive.  You select for vigor.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 8:01pm

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    Thanks One Jab

    I really like Neil Oliver. He always speaks sound and reasoned arguments against the great evil presently sweeping the world.

    I dearly love the Anglosphere, this global community of native English speakers whose governments and laws have brought so much light to the world. Taken together, we have done more to further goodness and equity and liberty and justice and charity than any other alliance in the planet’s known history.
    And that is precisely why the globalists are focused on reducing us to impotence. I fear that they will have a lot of success in their twisted campaign. They and their partners in evil are the first rider of the Apocalypse, in my understanding. It is determined that he will have, sadly, great success. He already has.
    My heart breaks for Australia and New Zealand. Canada seems very far gone into totalitarian thuggery. The UK, the lion of Daniel 7, will be given the heart of a man—contrasted against the man with the heart of a lion, King Richard.

    My kinfolk are being trampled, and the boot of the tyrant is raised against us in the US, damn them.

    Courage, friends. We will need to hold fast and persevere in the face of a dreadful storm. I wish you all well.

    Sic semper tyrannis

    Come Lord Jesus

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 8:41pm

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    Are you kidding.

    "I dearly love the Anglosphere, this global community of native English speakers whose governments and laws have brought so much light to the world. Taken together, we have done more to further goodness and equity and liberty and justice and charity than any other alliance in the planet’s known history."

    Taken as a whole there has never been a greater evil manifest on earth and responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of millions, billions even, and when the shit really starts to hit the fan, all life on earth. Yea Anglosphere! Hell King leopold alone, although borderline anglo, killed well over 10 million africans. British Empire killed untold millions and continues to. US empire has destroyed any effort of any country to live sustainably and with dignity for billions over the last 100+ years.

    Sorry if I missed the sarcasm of your comment but hell man!

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 9:01pm

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    the anglosphere

    Taken as a whole there has never been a greater evil manifest on earth and responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of millions, billions even

    So Netlej, tell me how did the Spanish do in the New World?

    I forget.  Did that go well?

    And while you're at it - could you talk a little bit about Huitzilopochtli and the Gods of the Aztec Empire?  If I recall correctly, they were somewhat unpleasant.  But - it was a long time ago and my memory isn't so clear.

    But I do wonder.  If the Aztecs were in command, rather than the Anglosphere, how do you think things would have turned out?  Same question: re Mao.  Or Stalin.

    "Its the worst form of government.  Except for all of the others."

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 9:20pm

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    Culling, Sager?

    Sager, you said,

    In moments when I need a pick-me-up, I flatter myself by thinking that when you cull the herd, you cull the weak and unproductive.  You select for vigor.

    That is exactly the ideology that led to the horrors of that meat-grinder, that horrifically dark period that was the First World War. Carnage and misery and a lost generation of good people, pawns in the hands of the powerful, was the outcome of that kind of thinking. It didn’t make the world better. Far from it. Please consider finding another source of hope?

    Also, the notion that the future will be resource-challenged is, I think, wrong. The global population is about to be drastically reduced—per the plans of the globalists—so in that future reality there will be a shortage only of people.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 9:36pm

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    Absolutely Not Kidding

    If you find the comparison between, say Magna Carta and that which gave rise to, oh, heck, the extermination campaigns based on Stalinist and Maoist doctrines unfavorable, then we don’t have anything further to discuss.
    English law has sustained India very admirably. It has had a civilizing effect everywhere it has been taken.
    Are there ugly episodes? Certainly. As with every other civilization. The world is a dirty place.
    But your hatred of the Anglosphere (or any other civilization) presumably wishing for its destruction? puts you in league with the enemy. It’s that simple.
    I have nothing further.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 9:39pm

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    More Cartoons - humor (kind of) from El Gato Malo

    This blogger, el gato malo, is really funny and incisive.  Smart as hell.  And he (she?) loves cats.
    Austria gets ready for house arrest for the unvaccinated

    what is it with austrians and this whole "your papers please" thing?

    well, THIS certainly looks ominous. we’re now going past “covid pass to go public places” and into “mass house arrest” for those not bio-credentialed.

    “Schallenberg announced that if the number of Covid patients in intensive-care units reaches 500, or 25 percent of the country's total ICU capacity, entrance into businesses such as restaurants and hotels will be limited to those who are vaccinated or recovered from the virus.

    If the number reaches 600, or one-third of total ICU capacity, the government plans to impose restrictions on unvaccinated people. In this case, they would only be allowed to leave their homes for specific reasons.”

    and the pretext is pitiful.

    “'The pandemic is not yet in the rearview mirror,' Schallenberg said. 'We are about to stumble into a pandemic of the unvaccinated.’”

    this seems an utterly implausible take given the clear evidence that these vaccines do not stop spread and are likely making it worse.

    [This is the graph from the UK data that Chris talked about last week.]

    there is just no way any remotely informed health agency could come up with this “solution.”

    fortunately, i found some meddling kids in a van to explain it to us:

    certain internet felines have been WARNING about this for QUITE SOME TIME.

    this is the inch that cannot be yielded. it leaves you completely at the mercy of the state with every liberty and life choice left contingent upon the affirmative permission of the people in power.

    what could they not tie to this system next? social media? bank accounts? free speech?

    every notch this tightens makes future resistance more difficult.

    you’re not going to like where it goes…

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 10:06pm

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    reply to dave

    All of those entities that you mention pale in comparison to the British and American atrocities in scope and scale not to mention that we all prided ourselves as being more modern, advanced, refined, moral and ethical than those "savages" of past history.

    Good try at dodging facts and data though.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 10:29pm

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    Daddy-O

    Within the narrow context of the question posed in the prior post, is the vaccine going to cull the vaccinated, or will they release some bio weapon that will kill everyone that isn’t vaccinated, I responded by saying I hope it’s the former. Nothing more, nothing less. I don’t necessarily think either is true. I think this is mostly an ad hoc nightmare that they are screwing up as they go along. I am preparing accordingly.

    When I say flatter myself, I flatter myself to think that I am competent and full of vigor.  I’m Certainly in the top decile of my age group, but at age 57, that may or may not be saying much.  Having said that, I’m ready to go out into the jungle and make a living totally disconnected from modern civilization if it comes to that. I won’t like it necessarily, but I’m emotionally prepared for it.

    May Fortune smile upon us all!

    Fortuna favet fortibus!

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 10:41pm

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    Karen Iacovelli said:

    He lost me at Newton. Chris, as the saying goes, nice guy, no cigar. Does he know the data? Does he recognize antibody dependency enhancement syndrome? What about censorship? Has he ever heard of FLCCC? What treatment protocol did he use?  I’m involved in trying to expose “high level” political totalitarianism at state & federal levels. Physicians, nurses who have testified at state medical hearings on covid are highly informed, know what banned drugs have done, as well as hospital protocols implemented by Fauci. The good doctor is out of his league.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 10:51pm

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    Well...

    While researching Desaguliers' early lecture series on Newton's brand of natural philosophy, I had the joy of wrasslin' with Newton's Principia.  I was reading the fine 1971 edition with I. Bernard Cohen's great introduction and in Chapter III, "Steps Toward the 'Principia', he describes Newton's description of the trajectory of a falling object to Halley in a 1684 conversation, as an ellipse- so proving gravity's inverse square law.  Sure the ellipse could have been asserted by Kepler long before, but the inverse-square- that's Newton.  A prickly scholar's solution to an academic riddle among friends and rivals. Long predating the quest for longitude in 1714, as was the first edition of Principia in 1687.  Newton thought of the same cosmic cause explaining the fall of an apple and the motion of the moon with a single law while whiling away the hours on the family farm sitting under a tree because school was out for...a plague.  No internet or zoom or jabs- just time for a farm-bound genius to think in peace.  (The "G" constant had to wait on Cavendish a century later.  Strange how each piece in the gravity puzzle fell into place in steps of about 100 years.  Next 100 years, Einstein, next 100 years, LIGO). (Near about page 300 there's a charming account of the apple incident by William Stukeley told him by Newton, himself- a reader keeps waiting for Stukeley to interject "What happened then, Mr. Frodo?").  And "Newton and the Counterfeiter" by Levenson was a grand book, too.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 10:51pm

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    Sager

    I hear you. Yeah, as for me, I’m struggling to put together a life-sustaining homestead in an effort to be as prepared as I may be for the “interesting” times ahead.
    As for hacking a living out of the woods, well, I might’ve been able to do that twenty years ago. I’m thinking, however, that the republic will survive and a degree of normalcy—maybe only a shadow of normalcy—will hold up here. But our big cities, man, I fear for them.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 11:06pm

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    Dad-O

    Yah.  The cities will not be the place to be, starting I believe later this winter…

    Good luck to you and yours.  And of course let’s remember luck is preparation meeting opportunity!…

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 11:36pm

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    Ivermectin Kills Parasites

    and that's why the parasites are afraid of it.

    Let Dr. Zelenko explain the fundamentals in single syllable words.

    https://www.brighteon.com/e765ffbd-8e47-45f2-9bfc-06776a78c916

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 12:23am

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    I hope even pro-vaxxers are aware that 5-11 year olds DO NOT NEED the experimental jab

    When the perpetrators of our current genocide aim their weapons squarely at 5-11 year old children, how far off can the apocalypse be?

    My guess is TPTB will light the match by letting Evergrande default, then the bond market crashes, then the 'everything bubble' pops.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 12:43am

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    Excess deaths Jan 5 2020 to Sep 5 2021

    From: https://deadorkicking.com/death-statistics/us/per-year/

    the U.S. averaged about 2.83 million deaths/year in 2017-2019

    I downloaded the csv file at https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=~USA

    and found that excess deaths averaged about 19.9% of average.  The period was 20 months, so we had: 2.83 million x 0.199 * 20/12 = 938,000 excess deaths.  Covid deaths in this period were 676,000, leaving 262,000 non-covid excess deaths.  I think about 30-50K were suicide/overdose/etc. increases.  But that still leaves us with > 200K.  And we must remember that some fraction of those covid deaths were not really covid deaths because either:

    1. they among the very old and infirm and only were pulled forward a few months, so they would have happened anyway in the period, or
    2. they were actually due mostly or entirely to another cause, but the deceased tested positive before death, often from a hospital acquired infection that showed little to no symptoms.

    So I'm guessing 1. gives us another 200K and 2) gives us perhaps 50 K.  Plus the 200K already there, we have close to 500K deaths to explain away.

    Can someone check my math and research the actual # of excess suicide, overdose, etc. deaths?  I didn't think it would be this obvious and this large.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 12:49am

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    My daughter knows 2 families that are eager to vaccinate their 5-11 year old kids

    She worked on a physics catapult project out in our driveway with a friend from one family.  She wore a mask the entire time.  Her little sibling is <12.  Her parents are both PhD professors at the local state University.  The other is her Spanish teacher who has a child in that age range too.  Of course, most families, even in our highly vaccinated town are not as concerned, but I bet some of them will vaccinate their kids too.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 2:11am

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    Roger Stone Claims COVID Vaccination Has 'Injured or Killed Millions of Americans'

    https://www.newsweek.com/roger-stone-claims-covid-vaccination-has-injured-killed-millions-americans-1641970

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 7:29am

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    DaveDD said:

    Hi bookzilla,

    Yes, I know about the dates, as a physics student I did study the original documents. Still, I like my version a lot😂

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 7:47am

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    Avoidance of cognitive dissonance

    People who took the gene jab, out of undue trust in the medical/pharmaceutical establishment, are likely to go along with whatever the establishment says—unless they get information that is solid enough to override human nature.
    “I’m smart, I ‘followed the science’ and got the vax. So I must have been right to get it, because I’m smart. So now the people who told me I should get jabbed are telling me to get my kids jabbed. If I don’t agree with them, that would call into question whether I should’ve gotten jabbed…”

    The medical/pharmaceutical complex and globalists certainly understand how vulnerable we are to being led over cliffs if the right psyop is used.
    I hate being targeted in psyops.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 8:11am

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    Incapacitating bioweapons?

     

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 8:21am

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    Stph said:

    It seemed, to me, more like a campaign stop than an interview.

    Re DaveDD's "Really, we have all been here before, if we would just try to "remember" it all, and act accordingly..."  Indeed.  What can we possibly do about that?  Yes, all through history we have people who are tempted by money and power and discover they can live way beyond their contribution by seeking political power.  But what disturbs me even more is the endless supply of Eloi - the sheeple who enable them.   It is like a genetic brain defect which, once upon a time, enabled survival of individuals now threatens survival of the whole.

    As an historian, I thought you might appreciate a few quotes:

    “The real problem of humanity is the following: we have paleolithic emotions; medieval institutions; and god-like technology. And it is terrifically dangerous, and it is now approaching a point of crisis overall.”
    -E.O. Wilson

    "I was one of the many horses pulling the wagon and couldn't escape left or right because of the will of the driver. Now that I look back, I realize that a life predicated on being obedient and taking orders is a very comfortable life indeed. Living in such a way reduces to a minimum one's need to think." 
– Adolf Eichmann

    "I have come to realize that men are not born to be free. Liberty is a need felt by a small minority whom nature endowed  with nobler minds than the mass of men."
    -Napolean

     

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 11:26am

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    facts & data

    All of those entities that you mention pale in comparison to the British and American atrocities in scope and scale not to mention that we all prided ourselves as being more modern, advanced, refined, moral and ethical than those "savages" of past history.

    Well, I didn't make any claims about morals or ethics.  That's your burden, not mine.

    I did ask you a question about the Spanish Empire, and how that contrasted with the British Empire. I'll ask it again, since you seem to have missed it:

    Do you believe that the behavior of the Spanish in the New World was better, or worse, than the behavior of the British Empire?  One helpful metric:  the estimated population in the Valley of Mexico both before, and 100 years after the Spanish occupation.

    Your "scale and scope" argument is not as helpful for "your worldview" as you might think, since all it suggests is that the Anglosphere (for whatever reason) was simply larger.  To what do we attribute this size differential?   Is it just success driven by the sheer concentration of unmitigated evil?  Or is it something else?

    I'll go first:

    A blue-water navy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Influence_of_Sea_Power_upon_History
    If we are going to try exercising our "facts and data" muscles, we might try adjusting the atrocities by dividing by population.  So - Mao deaths/population, Stalin deaths/population, Spanish deaths/population, and Anglosphere deaths/population.

    I'm always eager to learn.  Do you have any actual facts and data?
    Last point.  Empire gonna Empire.  High tech civilization meets a low tech civilization.  And the outcome is?

    In my opinion, the only metric that differentiates between Empires: what did the former colonies look like in the post-colonial period?  Did some do better than others?  Is there a trend?

    Happy to listen if you provide actual facts and actual data.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 11:28am

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    The Anglosphere

    Netje,

    There were lots of bad events during Ango-American dominance of the world, but part of that was due to its widespread success. There are a lot of good things about it that were fairly unique, such as a capacity for self-criticism, and bravely shouldering some burdens that were not in their economic interest. Ending slavery is an example, where William Wilberforce and Lincoln get pride of place. England refusing to capitulate to Hitler after the fall of France, under the leadership of  Churchill. Also, there has never been any effort in the world as altruistic and successful as the Marshall Plan at pulling a whole continent away from falling into Communist dictatorship. Despite some big warts, no other culture has been capable of such self-criticism, toughness, and generosity to others.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 11:37am

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    anglophile8 said:

    Forget vaccine mandates and mass screening — reason must prevail
    These are two common-sense articles which describes the situation in the UK to a tee!

    Forget vaccine mandates and mass screening — reason must prevail

    Deleted Government Report Celebrates How Public Loves to “Conform”

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 2:07pm

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    Then there’s King Leopold…

    Hey, Dave, you’re talking to someone, in Netlej, who is happy to attribute the actions of a Belgian monarch to the Anglosphere (that would be the Frankosphere, I guess) so I’m just guessing that, what with his/her grotesque hyperbole of the blood of billions on Anglophone hands, an utter absurdity, reason is possibly wasted on this one. I didn’t expect to have to make disclaimers and qualifying statements just because I like Kiwis, Aussies, Brits, Scots, Welsh, Irish… And we’re all under a dire threat. The Anglosphere is worth defending. Including India and other former colonies whose governments continue to uphold the Rights of Man and the rule of law.

    I didn’t expect to be challenged for expressing fondness for my my own culture and for people the world over who speak my language and share a lot of history, but in the evolving climate toxified by Woke ideology, any historical blemish is reason to destroy an entire civilization, regardless of the brilliant contributions it has made to the betterment of the world.

    We are under attack in an asymmetrical war and many millions of lives are at stake. What’s more, if NATO ceases to be, if that check on tyrannical aggression is neutralized, all I can say is, “Get ready. It’s coming”

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 4:54pm

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    Re Anglosphere

    I don’t think the indigenous people of Australia would agree with the comments.
    After everything else in their history since European invasion, they are now being hoodwinked into a jab for cash. It is now a $5000 fine in the Northern Territory for not having the vax. The population is largely indigenous. So the lying bastards are telling us they are worried about them.
    I am and always have been due to having a compassionate heart.
    Did I miss something in that comment, but I just don’t agree.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 5:10pm

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    Re: Social Media Cognitive Warfare

    "Who controls your eyes controls your brain." - Dr. T. F. Leary

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 5:18pm

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    Re: Social Media Cognitive Warfare

    "Who controls your eyes controls your brain." - Dr. T. F. Leary

    That's why I mostly look at ladies all day & cute animals too.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 6:08pm

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    Naivete

    Scott Jensen is a nice guy. They finish last.

    I am hallucinating about ol Tom Jefferson and his friends saying " well we should all run for Parliament".

    We are well beyond any sort of polite electoral "reform".

    The Jews in Europe wore yellow arm bands to be identified and stigmatized. They were herded into ghettos. They were stripped of their possessions. They were herded on to trains like cattle. They were sent to camps for forced labor. When they were no longer useful........

    The indigenous people of the Amerikas suffered basically the same fate. They even believed they could sign treaties with the Great White Father.

    Russians ended up in gulags.

    Scott Jensen means well but he is beyond naive, and that position is dangerous. People will actually like him support him and vote for him in the vain  belief that there is a political solution to the human condition. He says all the right things to appeal to an adolescent belief in hopium.

    THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTION TO THE HUMAN CONDITION.

    RINSE AND REPEAT AS MANY TIMES AS NECESSARY.

    I don't know how much evidence is needed to convince someone of that salient fact.

    You do not negotiate with a rattlesnake.

    “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.”
    ― J. Edgar Hoover

    If voting changed ANYTHING it would be illegal.





    Australians were disarmed years ago. They are now being shot with rubber bullets.

    There are more guns in the US than people. Maybe that's why we are not being shot with rubber bullets........yet.

    For 40 years the middle class has been systematically destroyed. It is slowly being boiled into oblivion. You cannot have a Great Reset (New World Order) with a strong middle class. You cannot have a global Neo Feudal system with a well armed strong middle class.

    The only names on a ballot that will mean anything are Smith and Wesson, Remington, Mossberg , Winchester, Colt, Glock and friends.

    Normalcy bias will get your ass killed.........or worse.

    It doesn't have to be this way

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 7:06pm

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    journey of 1000 miles

    Well sure.

    But a journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

    And, as we know, admitting you have a problem is the first step.

    Here's the fun part.  If we all agreed there was a problem...there are so many of "us", and so few of "them", the problem would be solved almost instantly.  No need for Smith.  Or Wesson.

    So the more people that agree there's a problem - the sooner we get to that point.

    Each new person that sees this is a victory.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 8:01pm

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    Talk human!

    Why do people running for professional political office always end up talking like a professional politician? Mealy-mouthed nonsense.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 8:35pm

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    "Monopoly: Who Owns the World" explains this quite well. Recommended. Thx MM.

    https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/monopoly/

    This is one of the best big picture videos that I have ever seen.  Not spooky,  not mystical, not conspiratorial.  No aliens.  No secret societies.  Just humans organized to take over the world using the magic of money printing.

    They show how many many common food brands have been purchased by a few mega-corporations.  GM, PepsiCo, etc.   Then they show which financial funds own those mega-corporations.  (Blackrock and Vanguard).

    Then they show how many other food brands were purchases by DIFFERENT mega-corporations.  But when we look behind the scenes at who owns this second group of mega-corporations--lo and behold, it is Blackrock and Vanguard.

    Then there is the consolidation of independent media into the famous "6 major corporations."  But when ownership of these 6 major corporations is investigated it is found to be Blackrock and Vanguard.

    And the role of the 3 big NGOs--taking anonymous donations (secretly) from Blackrock and Vanguard and passing these funds to politicians who commit to the goals of Blackrock and Vanguard.

    Damn.  I recommend this movie.

    https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/monopoly/

    The producer:

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 8:36pm

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    Down to earth

    I enjoyed the interview.

    One thing that was concerning is that I didn't think he had the shark like personality of a politician, but would give opponents a fiesty run for their money which explains the hit piece.

    Teams of people will no doubt be trawling through any information they can to find dirt on him.  That takes guts to step out and face.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 8:55pm

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    Mohammad M

    You are probably entirely correct in your assertion that the coming changes will include a lot of gunfire.

    The violence you predict will be, in my understanding anyway, the Second Rider of the Apocalypse (we are experiencing the effects of the First Rider now—again, in my understanding).

    That rider is called forward riding a red horse and armed with a sword of a type used by western armies in John’s day. A “machaira”. (The Fourth wields a “romphaia”, a curved sword—like a scimitar).

    The Second rider has the power to “take away peace from the earth, that men should slay/slaughter one another”. Either war or simple mayhem. Or both.

    No way to know exactly how his campaign will play out or where it be the fiercest. But it’s coming. Sooner than anyone wants.

    On the lighter side, you seem like a gun enthusiast. You might like a song from the ‘80s by Jethro Tull, “I’m Your Gun”.





     

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 10:36pm

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    Whoa, Sand Puppy!

    I just watched that documentary. Astounding.  Thank you for posting it.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 10:37pm

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    How to escape from a sick society





     

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 11:04pm

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    Back to excess deaths

    I call attention to my comment #44 in which I found support for the idea that over the past 20 months there have been as many as 500K non-covid excess deaths in the USA.  Will someone, anyone please take it to the next step.  If I'm onto something, this is big.  If I'm mistaken, I want to know.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 11:31pm

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    Q-Bi not sure I agree with your methods of math

    I would not assume that the covid deaths are excess deaths at all.   They are deaths, but since they occurred at an average age of 77 years plus 2 comorbidities, they may not be excess deaths at all.   I don't know what to trust on excess deaths, unless you are sure that is reliable.  I recall that according the CDC excess deaths, there were zero excess deaths for 2020.    so it is hard to trust data.   But it is possible there were no more deaths at all.  Sick old people will fall from regular flu or cold and other minor infections. However, there are cases of young people dying from covid ( rare healthy people ) that died in 2020.  But the numbers would be exceedingly low.  And I personally know of people who died from a cold while young, and another who required a heart transplant , that were fit and healthy dating back between the years of 1989 - and 2013.  So, healthy young people dying from colds is not novel.  never has been, rare yes.

    I am sure 2021 will show a much greater excess deaths of ordinary and young people in comparison to 2020..  I would make sure you separate data by year.  If not you cannot see the vaccine effect.

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 4:06am

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    Synthia Fagen said:

    I would follow Steve Kirsch on Twitter on this topic and see where that leads you. This is his project right now.

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 7:54am

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    A change of heart

    When science and it's aftermath is politicized and bastardized it brings forth only illegitimate children.  In God there are no illegitimate. We all are one, united through a common Faith.   When the "law" can be created, bought, and sold,  what good becomes of it?  Until there is a change of heart, man's "law" is in vain.  The underlying illness must first be cured.

    "  14 For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself."   Galatians 5:14     We live in perilous times.  There is an answer.   God's Word brings clarity, wisdom, and salvation to those willing.

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 10:18am

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    Anglosphere Mythology

    I almost busted my gut laughing at the idea that India has benefited from the Anglosphere. I lived in India, I work in India. The Anglosphere raped and pillaged the country and reduced it to one of the poorest places on the planet.

    Gandhi led one of the most successful, peaceful campaigns to throw off the yoke of the Anglosphere empire. He is the greatest human off the 20th century.

    A quick read of "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee " would disabuse anyone with one functional brain cell that the Anglosphere didn't wipe out millions of indigenous people. The survivors and their descendants are now relegated to live in gulags. Try visiting Pine Ridge and then wax poetic about the Anglosphere.

    The sole goal of the Anglosphere empire is to extract as much wealth from the planet for the benefit of a very few. If the indigenous people or anyone else should happen to get in the way well ..............

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 10:53am

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    brushhog said:

    Alot of ignorant people attribute racial identity to human nature. The bottom line is, people can suck sometimes. The more successful they are, the more power they accumulate and the greater their transgressions [ and also the greater their contributions ].

    The "Anglosphere" is like most other empires in their time. How were the Romans on human rights? How about the Spanish? The Ottomans?

    They all did terrible things, and great things. In fact the "Anglosphere'' was probably decidedly less brutal than some of the aforementioned. So why all the hate? Well its become very en vogue to hate on white people in general and to exaggerate their ills while suppressing, negating, or revising their historical contributions. No other reason.

    Frankly, its become tiresome. The novelty has worn off. Like all generations, the themes that come to define them become old long before they realize it. They become a caricature of themselves, like the grey haired hippie still espousing his old mantras about "squares" and tripping out on acid.

    The modern equivalent will be the white hating social justice warrior still clinging to his offended sentimentality, moral relativism, revisionist history, and safe spaces. The rest of the world is already moving on.

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 11:10am

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    Excerpt from Topol/Offit Interview

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/936937#vp_6

    ..."Topol: What else besides these immune-mediated or facilitated mechanisms are you concerned about, regarding safety?

    ...

    Offit: With the mRNA vaccines, mRNA itself is a safe molecule. We all have mRNA in our body; it breaks down very quickly. But because it's such a labile molecule, it is encapsulated in this complex lipid delivery system, which is reactogenic. When you inoculate people with lipids, they get fever, including occasionally high fever. And when you're giving a fever-inducing agent, you could either trigger or exacerbate any sort of immunologic disease. So that's one issue.

    Then there are the replication-defective virus vaccines, like the replication-defective simian adenoviruses being produced by AstraZeneca. Also, there is the replication-defective Ad26, which is being pursued by Johnson & Johnson, and the replication-defective Ad5, which is being pursued by both the Russian and Chinese groups.

    Here, the good news is that each of these is replication defective, which means that the virus can't reproduce itself and cause harm. The bad news is, you really just get one cell per virus particle to make the protein you're interested in, which is the coronavirus spike protein. So you give a lot of virus. I think the Russian paper that just came out on September 4 gave 100 billion virus particles.

    You know, it was a replication-defective adenovirus that was given to Jesse Gelsinger, whose death was the first directly related to gene therapy."...

    ...

    Topol: So the highest-risk people, or among the highest-risk people, are those over age 65, and we aren't going to have data that are sufficient to address that group at the end of phase 3?

    Offit: If we don't have adequate data in the greater-than-65-year-old group, then the greater-than-65-year-old person shouldn't get this vaccine, which would be a shame because they're the ones who are most likely to die from this infection. We have to generate those data.

    I can't see how anybody — the DSMB or the FDA Vaccine Advisory Committee, or FDA decision-makers — would ever allow a vaccine to be recommended for that group without having adequate data.

    I feel the same way about minorities. I mean, you can't convince minority populations to get this vaccine unless they are represented in these trials. Otherwise, they're going to feel like they're guinea pigs, and understandably so.

     

    ..."Topol: So the highest-risk people, or among the highest-risk people, are those over age 65, and we aren't going to have data that are sufficient to address that group at the end of phase 3?

    Offit: If we don't have adequate data in the greater-than-65-year-old group, then the greater-than-65-year-old person shouldn't get this vaccine, which would be a shame because they're the ones who are most likely to die from this infection. We have to generate those data.

    I can't see how anybody — the DSMB or the FDA Vaccine Advisory Committee, or FDA decision-makers — would ever allow a vaccine to be recommended for that group without having adequate data.

    I feel the same way about minorities. I mean, you can't convince minority populations to get this vaccine unless they are represented in these trials. Otherwise, they're going to feel like they're guinea pigs, and understandably so."...

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 12:02pm

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    Reply to Sandpup

    That is a good informative vid. What isn't explained very well is how as these entities buy up companies and corporations they seriously down size and consolidate them until they have the lions share of an industry. This creates scarcity which then allows them to increase prices significantly while reducing overhead as well.

    This is manifesting itself tragically in the healthcare industry during this "pandemic", and now is a definite factor in the general shortages of everything globally.

    But then again that is how the game is played. They are just the winners. Its a waste of time to hate the winners, we need to hate the game and change the rules.

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 12:08pm

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    Don't Trust the Media

    Unless it's an article I read about election fraud? Isn't that a bit disingenuous? What article did he read about election fraud? source please, for verification purposes. [giggles]

    Have you guys hear about that new fangled blockchain? [aaaah, its just a fad.]

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 12:11pm

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    5G Technology and induction of coronavirus in skin cells

    https://scienceintegritydigest.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/fioranelli.pdf

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 12:14pm

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    Yeah, I get that

    And I've mentioned it elsewhere.  I'm being generous.  If some portion covid deaths are not actually excess deaths, then there are even more unexplained excess deaths that could be attributed to the vaccine.  I would estimate that 20-30% of covid deaths are not actually covid deaths as they were deaths in which the covid diagnosis was incidental to the process that resulted in death or they occurred in people with a few months of life expectancy or less.

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 12:23pm

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    000 said:

    the overlap of causes for mortality are probably impossible to discern since that are the same for the virus s-protein and the vax induced s-protein ex. cytokine storms and blood clotting. media are even using that argument now to say get vaxxed because the virus does the same thing the vax might ("rarely" [sic]) do.

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 1:13pm

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    bookzilla said:

    By the way, there is a neat Newtonian footnote of relevance to the Covidverse, a sane reaction to mad science - David Gregory of Kinnairdie discovered an impressive gain-of-function for artillery and sent it to his son, also David Gregory, a famed astronomer and mathematician, to present to the latter's friend, Sir Isaac Newton.  Newton studied the proposal, but instead of recommending it to Queen Anne, asked that the idea be destroyed, saying, "Any invention of that kind, if it even were effectual, would soon become known to the enemy, so that it would only increase the horrors of war."  I don't think Sir Isaac would have made many friends in a modern military nightmare factory, even if it pretended it were only perfecting plagues for profit and prizes.  (By the way, I love the family coat of arms Newton displayed after being knighted by Queen Anne- perhaps it would be an appropriate trademark to display on shots by our vax merchants...)

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 6:05pm

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    Situation in the Netherlands

    Just as expected: the 2nd of November new measures will be made public. As it is a good habit in the Netherlands that the plans are leaked one or two weeks in advance to soften the blow: most likely the vaxxed will get all their privileges back, while the unvaxxed will loose theirs. The details of the plans were not made public yet, but I fear the worst, sneaky sneaky fascist MF’s.

    Additionally, a Dutch European Union madam lied through her teeths that the vaxxines are proven safe, and that people can sue the pharma companies in the case of side effects; luckily a poll under voters for her political party showed that 100% is vaxxed: good riddance sneaky little fascist bastards.

     

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 6:40pm

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    Replying to #66

    Follow Steve Kirsch.

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 9:13pm

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    Great News! New Law Pushes Back Against Mandates (Natural Immunity Is Real Act)





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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 9:14pm

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    Campaign Senior Advisor Reveals NJ Gov Phil Murphy to Impose COVID Vax Mandate AFTER Re-Election





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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 9:21pm

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    Safeway pharmacist quits citing deaths from vaccine

    http://rumble.com/vo6pay-tfnt12-safeway-pharmacist-quits-citing-deaths-from-vaccine.html?

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  • Mon, Oct 25, 2021 - 9:30pm

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    THE MOST TRUSTED PHARMACIST IN AMERICA TODAY ~ DR NICHOLE BELLAND




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  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 4:54am

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  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 8:16am

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    Anti Anglosphere Toxicity

    All I said about India relative to the legacy of the British Empire is that their government is based on English governance and that that has served them well. Perhaps another system would have served them better, but I don’t know.
    I lament the genocide campaign that was carried out through Manifest Destiny. I live on land that the Comanche used to call home but I was born where the (cannibal) Atakapas lived. It’s not like they were particularly nice to strangers, but I lament the destruction of so many cultures. The world is a dark and dangerous place.
    Powerful English-speaking governments have done bad things.
    Ok. Disclaimers made. Good enough? More self loathing required? Maybe a struggle session and some torture?

    I won’t go into comparisons of what might have been if Islam or some communist regime had led in the Age of Discovery.

    But I still like and feel a fraternal bond with people who speak my native language and who share a lot of common history with me.
    Jiminy cricket! What do those who hate white people want? Genocide as a form of “turnabout is fair play”?

    Don't answer that.

    England colonized the world because they overcame high infant mortality rates and as a result had a lot of young men to dress in red uniforms and send all over the planet. High birth and survival rates and world-leading technology. While there was a lot to lament, there was a lot which was laudable.

    But I never wanted to have to defend what happened. I simply see Australia, New Zealand, England, Scotland, Ireland,Wales—in addition to France, Germany, Italy, and most of the rest of Europe falling under an evil global tyranny.
    So that makes me sad. And being sad makes me think about the plight of people with whom I have a lot in common. I’m guessing I’ll have more pressing and personal concerns to deal with soon enough, if the reactions even in this fairly enlightened thread are any indicator.

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  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 2:43pm

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    link to the report

    Deleted Government Report Celebrates How Public Loves to “Conform” doesn't give a link to an archived copy of the report.   I located one at https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/net-zero-behaviour-change-initiatives2.pdf

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  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 3:32pm

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    Delayed treatment deaths

    I believe a significant number of excess deaths can be attributed to people who failed to get prompt treatment for other diseases like cancer due to a fear or inability to get medical attention during the pandemic.  I've seen numerous reports of people with a terminal cancer diagnosis whose cancer would have been treatable had they been diagnosed months earlier.  I haven't seen hard numbers, but from the quantity of anecdotes the problem can't be negligible.

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  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 11:16pm

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    Following up on elections and security

    Chris, I just watched your interview with Scott Jensen, who's running for MN governor. I agree with a lot of what you say about election security and am delighted to hear your skepticism; verifiable evidence-based elections are precisely what are needed. I was a county election commissioner for 11 years; many thought my counterpart and I ran the most transparent, most secure, and most accurate elections in the country. But I heartily disagree that coders can produce election technology that will enable us to vote safely on the internet and can point you to many who will argue that assertion.
         Secondly, I can respond to your point about being able to bank online securely, which, therefore, begs the question that the same must be possible in voting. That point was answered beautifully years ago by an acquaintance/colleague, Dr. David Jefferson, in his paper "If I can shop and bank online, why can’t I vote online?"
         One crucially important reason is that personal financial transactions are symmetrical: there is someone at each end of the transaction that can look at it and see what's there, confirming where all the dollars are. Elections, however, are asymmetrical. Only the voter knows what's in her transaction. Nobody else can. The voter cannot call an election official and confirm that her candidates were credited with her votes. That's because her ballot is secret.
         There's more to it, though, including a hearty discussion about security; here is a link to it: https://electionlawblog.org/?p=24849
         I'd love to talk election security sometime. I've spoken all over the country and given expert testimony in court on the topic. (And Brad Friedman interviewed me twice. He may be interviewing me tomorrow, too.)

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