Einstein put it best when he said:
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."
I was sitting in class the other day and my teacher was talking about our current economic problem along with the future problem of HEALTH CARE. COST COST COST is what it all came down to. We will never be able to afford all the entitlements and our way of life with the increasing population. So we had to write a paper on how to solve the problems of the future. So I want to give you all a sample of what I have come up with. The assignment is to fast forward to 2025 and explain how to solve the problem of the economy and health care along with the increased population.
Ok, I started my paper with that famous quote above. I am a big believer in a pure Resource Based Economy, which is an economic system based on not money or any type of medium of exchange but just the resources and technology to accomplish tasks. This is all advocated by Jacque Fresco. Under a resource based economy, resources are used intelligently to benefit everyone, by ending scarcity, as opposed to a money based economy which uses resources poorly for the pure interest of market share and money. For example, you don't need 5 or 10 companies making 5 or 10 different types of carpet cleaners or 25 different types of cars, that just promotes misallocation of resources for obtaining market shares. So with that example we see how we misuse resources, you can imagine many more examples on your spare time, but for now I'll give you that example.
Many people argue that a pure resources based economy is just to advanced for people to understand. Not everyone in the population will be behaving in a civilized way and chaos would break out. I agree, that kind of system is not really ready for the pinheads to understand yet, well not all are pinheads but most are. So I came up with a solution to the problem and how to get from a money system to a pure resource based economy with minimal damage. I am just giving a brief overview as to what I mean, I am not gonna go into great detail because then this forum would be over 150 pages.
I call it the HDFC card (Humanitarian Digital Fulfillment Card)....this card which will look like an i-phone (only thing I could come up with....sorry Mr. Jobs). So lets paint the picture. 2010 weak dollar, 2015 WW3, 2020 major economic breakdown. The leaders of the world are having an impossible time fixing the worlds problems. The leaders argue over how to make the money system work for the economies around the world. Same old status quo bullshit trying to be implemented on society but this time with DIFFERENT results. Yeah we have all herd that before.
The role of the card: The HDFC card will be used as your RIGHT to be active in the community and allow you to have access to things. The card would have your info and skill/education level on it and would put you in a category and then a local database would allow you to see what tasks are available. If you give people the access to the necessities in life their behavior changes for the better. People would still do their day to day job or career. As long as people contribute to society then they can have access to things. Ex. The local lazy bum down the road who could never feed his family can now go to his local job database and look at what he can do to contribute instead of being lazy. Even if it is just local clean up or labor his 8 hr day would allow him to go to the supply store and get food for the day or to without a price tag. His incentive to make his life better and his kids is to find work. Unemployment would basically not be, because people are doing jobs for necessities and a higher standard of living not money. People with high skill/education levels would go about their day to day business such as medical, construction, science and so on. They would also be under the same incentive as the bum.
We would end meaning less jobs such as bankers, bond traders, accounting because they are not relevant under this card system. Peoples efforts toward making society better would allow them to building vacation time, or have access to a better car or house. I consider it a self correcting system because people know that they have to be active to have access to things and not worry about getting money to obtain access. Under the money system people do work, but only get limited access to things because they are not in a high pay grade. Under the money system someone who makes crap money will have aberrant behavior and may sell drugs or kill and rob someone to obtain money that they need to have access to things. Under the HDFC card system this would not happen, because you cannot rob someone of their time and labor, just like you could no longer rob a bank for they are no longer needed. So crime would drop sharply. People would be working under this system until the right technology comes along and replaces humans. That is the only reason why you have a job to begin with. You are at your job till it becomes automated.
This new society would really only have to figure our a few things as opposed to many under a money system. Under the card system issues such as supply/demand, human labor/skills, and level of technology would to be addressed. As opposed to the money system which wastes time talking about budgets, economic formulas, complicated laws, company right (no bid contracts), and many many others. Issues such as Pollution, Energy would be solved at a faster pace because people would be working to enhance not just society standard of living but their own too. If a group of scientists do not want to finish a project that would give free energy to his community then he puts his own family and loved ones at risk too, so his incentive changes and completes the task. Also if they do not get a job done, then they loose access to things they enjoy. Sounds harsh in a way, but the money system produces much more problems as we currently see on tv.
Ok well this is just a taste of what I have come up with so far, I could type more but I am getting a little drained looking at my computer. Now I must remind you this is for the year 2025, not 2009. So your level of thinking must apply to the future and not the present cause just like Einstein said you will not be able to solve future problems with the level of thinking that created them. My big end point I intend to make on my paper is: WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SOLVE FUTURE PROBLEMS WITH THE OUTDATED MONEY SYSTEM. I'm sure flaws will be pointed out, no biggie. I will respond the best I can. NEED FEEDBACK. Oh I did not check for spelling and other grammar.
Oh I did not check for spelling and other grammar.
Oh I did not check for spelling and other grammar.
I wish you would have. The number of spelling and grammatical errors made for very painful reading.
If I were a teacher, I would also tell you to go back and try again as I personally don't feel this is a very well thought out concept. There are so many problems that it would take me too much time to explain them all.
If you ask me, the HDFC card looks an awful lot like a credit card. Also, wouldn't the database by run by the same people who are now bankers?
Who appoints the technicians and engineers? If not politicians, then I assume the techs and engs run for "office", so hence they are the politicians.
Sounds a lot like 1984 or worse. No thanks.
You still have not answered my question: who appoints or decides who the engineers and technicians are?
I didn't say this was like 1984. I said it was worse than 1984.
Thanks for the paragraphs ;)
Strangely enough this misuse of resources is covered nicely in 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist' by Robert Tressel (??) first book that really changed my life. I think you would really enjoy that if you have not already read it.
I only scanned the replies but Patrick, no need to choose who elects \ selects positions - natural ability in specific areas will suffice. For example I know some graphic designers who would jump out of the window before handling programming code and vice versa. Plato mentioned related issues in the republic - basically people should only take on positions of responsibiliy only because of their sense of duty not their yearnings for power.
Aha, and once this technology is devised, who programs the code that defines what everyone's time and effort are worth?
Don't you see that your system is robbing everyone of their money, and putting all control over their time and effort into the hands of whoever the elites that would program these cards are????
We do not have a perfect system, but its orders of magnitude more fair than what you propose. Have you thought of how many people would commit suicide under your system due to how totalitarian it is?
Seriously, think about what you are saying!
Yes, someone can rob you of your time and effrort - the people who program your cards who determine what your time and effort is worth.
Money didn't create the crash. Fiat money did. There is a profound difference. One is the product of work, the other is a counterfeit product.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Q1) Are you ever going to tell us who gets to program your cards?
Q2) Have you even watched the Crash Course?
Loved the quote from Einstein. Maybe you have got the problem identified if the problem is money (forced cooperation).
Do other species get cards too?
Don't get me wrong; what you are doing is brave and you are taking a lot of flack for it. We need more ideas. Blame gets us a dispirited consensus.
Not old visions with new plans but new visions with no plans (after Daniel Quinn).
7 billion people can be wrong, very wrong
I get to program my own card???
OK, let's say I'm a carpenter. What, do I get to tell the card how every door I produce is worth whatever much food, drink, vacation time, medical care I want?
How much sense does that make?
I will ask this question a third and final time: Who writes the formula that determines how much value my doors are worth???? The computer doesn't program itself. Who does program it??
I don't see how this would prevent unemployment. What if 50 doors are needed but there are 100 carpenters who could together make 200 doors? What if nobody needs what you happen to be good at because there is an oversupply in the market?
Since you threw the "straw man" out there for comment, you have to take the lumps. (ouch!)
Your concept, like so many others that have been suggested, fails due to a reality check. You, and all the others, assume an altruistic society will magically develop. Never has - never will. Humans ain't wired that way, son!
However, kudo's for trying to come up with an alternative - new idea's are always welcome here, even if they do get battered about a bit.
BTW, these comment blocks include a built-in spell-checker when you're replying. Takes moments to use.
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