nickbert wrote:

c1oudfire wrote:

Try this one, Sam:  "I need the gun because you ARE more important to me than anything".  Trust me, Sam, I'm a woman; I know how we think. 

Wait, isn't giving this level of insight of the feminine mind to male schleps like us the rough equivalent of giving high-level classified information to the Iranians?  Are the WIB's (Women In Black) going to haul you away for revealing state secrets?

[Snicker]  . . . I guess I just don't draw sexist battle lines.  Besides, I just think that Sam has a good case.  Anyway, it could be argued that I'm really on his wife's side, since I'm conspiring with Sam to make sure she's well protected.

I was just wondering the same thing. 

What states have reciprocity with other states; I've never heard that. The only people I knew who could legally carry weapons across states lines (and airlines) with impunity were federal (and air) marshals.

SG

Dogs,

Sounds great. If there were any possibility of doing it, I would.  The stars are way out of alignment, though.

SG

Nice Sam -

Truces are good.  Now take baby steps as you walk in with a case of ammo in each hand.

Yeah, right! Know any good divorce lawyers?  Because that's what I'd need if I tried a stunt like that!

Will do - looking for NRA classes and a range right now. Aaron has promised to take me out for some one-on-one training when his schedule permits.

Believe it or not, I tried the "I want to protect you" gambit. This "old horse" has been around the block a few times and knows all the lines that should work. However, my wife knows just as many ways to counter my "cleverness". In this case, she claims we live in a nice neighborhood and besides, no one is going to break in and attack her. (Sigh........)

She said that I could get a Taser like this one (http://www.taser.com/PRODUCTS/CONSUMERS/Pages/C2.aspx) and take out any attacker that might get through the door. I pointed out how unreliable tasers can be if you don't get a perfect hit and/or the prongs don't stick. She says tasers won't kill someone - a gun will. So, she doesn't want a gun in the house - period!

I'd ask you to talk to her directly, but she already thinks we're all a bit "over the edge" about the coming hard times so would absolutely refuse. She feels she's being tolerant enough with all my other preparations and the gun is just too much!

Bizarre isn't it? You want to carry concealed, but can't get permission from the state. I want to carry concealed but can't get permission from my immediate supervisor! What a strange world we live in!

I didn't realize that Massachusetts was so anal about guns. Are you able to get ccw permits without too much trouble?

Glocks are becoming harder to find here but are still available if you look hard enough. I went to 3 other dealers looking for the Glock 17 before I found it at the 4th one. Of the first three, two didn't have it at all. The third one had it but his price was out of line. He wanted about $150 dollars more than the other pricing that I found.

The new Glock 17 cost me $525.00 and came with two 17-round clips, a cleaning kit, and a gun lock. Before I found the Glock locally, I looked on the Internet (gunsamerica.com, gunbroker.com, and auctionarms.com) but the only ones I could find were used, older models and I wanted a new model (at least 3rd generation).

Let us know what you wind up with. Also, your wife sounds more realistic than mine!

Hey Sam thanks for the update... please you got something you feel comfortable with.

Now in the interest of new gun owner Hazing

Glocks use Magazines (or Mags) not Clips, Clips are used to describe strips (metal/plastic) that are used to quick load an internal magazine such as on the M1 Garand. You now need to know this stuff you know.

Sheesh I don't know 50 odd gun experts here and I seem to be the first one to have to correct the Clip/Mag confusion

Hiding a lawyer in the spare bedroom for a coupla weeks *would* get dicey, no doubt. [smile] 

Well, it all went as pretty much as I figgered last night.  She was a little looped by it, but it's a testament to how far she's come (in terms of her view of the world's goings-on) in the last couple months that her position really was (after the initial "OMG" moment) "I don't like it but okay."  Phew.

That's the good news.  The excellent news is that I cannot think of any other prep areas where she and I would really disagree overlymuch.  But give it time...we'll probably hit another speed bump.  [wry grin]

Now:  got to study up for the firearms safety course I'm taking 2 weeks from Sunday.  (Have to read this whole series of "lessons" online but there's about 80 web-pages of material with no "printer-friendly" versions to be seen...haven't these people heard of pdf's?)

VIVA -- Sager 

Cape,

Here is a link that explains some of the reciprocity laws

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

It is possible to get an out of state permit in some states (like Utah) so that you can take advantage of the reciprocity of other states. Just note that these laws do change and it is best to double check with the state you will go to regarding current carry law and reciprocity.

Ken

Thought I'd share an interesting story from a few years back . .

I went to a critical care nursing conference in New Orleans, pre-Katrina.  I decided to drive down, so I could take my gear and do some camping on the beach on the Gulf.  My husband wanted me to take his handgun with, as New Orleans was then sporting the title as the "homicide capital of the world".  (That was before I made him sell it).  I refused, saying that I'd rather use my wits and pepper gas than a firearm to get myself out of a bad situation.  (Pretty unrealistic, really).  Anyway, I got a blown out tire, one hour out of New Orleans.  Two wonderful southern gentlemen pulled over to help me, and both were deeply concerned that I was travelling alone in the area.  One was a Southern Bell repair guy who'd been working over 36 hours straight to get power back up after a tropical storm.  Now that's a gentleman. . . the other was a state trooper. 

The subject of my safety was a matter of concern for both.  I indicated that my husband had wanted me to carry his Barretta, but that I had refused, partly because I wouldn't handle it well without experience, and partly because it would have been illegal to carry it.  I asked the trooper, off the record, what he would have done if he had caught me with a handgun in the car.  What he said was this:  In light of the terrific crime in New Orleans, and in light of the fact that I was a, er, let us say, European, woman, travelling alone, he, and most of the guys he knows would have overlooked the handgun, if, on being pulled over, I had hung my hands out the window, and immediately told the officer that there was a loaded handgun on the seat next to me, and if my record had come up clean. 

Anyway, the officer was apparently sincere in his concern for me, as he had me follow him to a local tire dealer, off the interstate, and asked the fellows there to take good care of me, which they did. 

Now, I realize that things have changed a great deal since 9/11, but I thought this was an interesting perspective, nonetheless.  We can only hope that our troopers will maintain something close to this level of rational and independent thinking after TSHTF.

. . . And here I've been thinking that a magazine was for reading on the plane . . .

RnCarl,

Where do you live in MA; I'm on the Cape.What gun show did you attend?

Kenc,  thanks for that great site; I had no idea there was any recipocity. I'll have to check it out. 

SG

P.S. I'd go easy on the clips/magazine hassle; while technically true, it's mainly been used over the years  to hassle newbies, IMHO. 

Hi Pat,

Good planning on your part - especially with watching the CC. I want her to sit down and watch it with me but have not been able to get her to break loose from her busy schedule. It's always a case of, "Well, not today. Perhaps another time." Sigh...

I think things will have to get quite a bit worse before she "mellows out" any.