I second the comments by Poet... so glad to get an update from you.. and so sorry to hear that there is strife in the SagerXX love life... I hope that you will once again find yourself Sager XOXO in the not too distant future. Be well, and keep posting.
Thanks in part to your inspiration.. this Sunday I walked down my street with a (gift) bottle of wine and introduced myself to some new neighbors... that bought a house that had been vacant for about 1.5 years. It takes a community.. right ?
I have been through total guilt casting out a young couple who were living in my rental house for 4 months.... without paying a dime because they lost their job when the Govt. come took away their kid. I have found that One can only help those who want to help themselves . I am sure they are dealing drugs out of my house !!! Anyway they lost their kid , their jobs ,their car , and now their home and still not reached bottom enough to turn around . BUT I have to have money to pay the taxes and insurance . Could it be that sometimes we have to weed out the weekest link? I hated to think this way but they are not building the community .... they are like a canker sore. That being said they were not of the family and I can not support everyone . I am sorry that they will wander on somehow and someone else will have to deal with them .
Sorry about the split ,Sager, {{{ BIG HUGS}}} I know you did not take this step lightly and am also sure there are totally mixed emotions !!! .DEEP BREATHS ( this news even makes me shaky ...But for the grace of God go I .) For now I stand on a solid rock of faithfulness of my husband . I know my Hubs HATES change and he Hates to loose so I count on him sticking here like super glue . I pray for your clear thoughts in your new journey that you find a new security of who you are , what is your calling ,and purpose .
I watched a series "Frontier House " after 6 months in the cabin survival 2 out of three couples did not stay together when they returned to civilization . They found out they stuck together when times were hard and they needed each other for survival but also found many things that they did not like about themselves and each other that could not keep them united when facing the real world of today .
Soul searching is not an easy trip . When we are held to the fire we come out refined / purified .
I think MANY people will turn on each other . We will not be able to trust those we thought we could maybe we can not trust ourselves .I think we will all find some ugly truths about ourselves when put to the test . Often the line between right and wrong sometimes gets a little fuzzy but I do pray that you do come to the right path for the two of you .
FM
PS. hope I did not step on any toes of the site rules .
Sager, my heart goes out to you! The staggering economy may be the first shock wave we experience as we go through this time of change and upheaval, but it sure isn't the only one. The aftershocks are doozies.
My thoughts and best wishes are with you both! You are cared about here.
Sorry to hear about the decisions you're having to make, regarding your relationships. I haven't really followed this thread fully, so I don't know the story behind the move, except that it seemed like you had made a good move previously, in your opening post.
I'm at a similar juncture, though I also have 2 adult kids. We moved to a semi-rural place a few years ago, which was something of a compromise at the time. I can't get the message through to any of my friends and now it seems that my family is intent on simply waiting until the collapse becomes obvious (to me, this reeks of denial) and prefer to keep their fingers crossed that they can get through whatever happens with the friends they have now. So I'm largely trying to prepare alone. Which is bad enough, but doing it for people who don't want to help adjust their own lives is downright disheartening. Result: motivation low.
I don't think we have enough land here (0.75 acre and was something of a compromise at the time) to prepare properly whilst the rest of the community has its collective head in the sand, but there doesn't seem to be a resolution in sight, that doesn't involve some kind of separation.
Good luck.
[Edit: hmm, I realised I said some of this at the beginning of the year - it's still dragging on even after a family conference recently]
Honest to Pete Y'all , they can not possibly straddle the fence much longer until they see their money just is not going as far as it used to . The mainstream news is even picking up on somethings although some of them that get it suddenly get cancelled . Boy the true Tin foil Hat people are rockin on the preps . There are more and more buisness jumping on this oppertunity . I mean really if Walmart has a bult prepping section how much more of a HERE"S YOUR SIGN does a person need !?!?!
there is none so blind as those that will not see .
If you truely love these people keep preping for them same as you have bought life insurance !
I too am sorry to hear of your situation.....but, when I think of whats to come, and how many will be tested not by their choosing I can't help but think you're going to be that much tougher, stronger, and prepared. And if it works out, great. If it doesn't, you get to push reset on your terms and start anew. It sounds like you've got much to offer, don't settle.
Just thinking of you with appreciation for your wonderful presence on this website and faith in your ability to find a good way through this current situation. Your character and values show in your posts. Here's hoping your community is supporting you both well as you sort yourselves out.
Still love your tagline. Still gets me back on track. Sounds like you are fully living it!
My apologies if my take on this situation is inaccurate, but your marriage has to be more important than prepping. Lot's of people complain about their spouses not sharing their concerns and outlook, but I think it's a blessing because the truth tends to lie between two opposing points of view.
I hope you two can find your way back to one another, one way or another.
Been through a separation. Know it's tough. Mine was caused because I was facing reality, and the man was not. The issues were not regarding prepping--this was over 25 years ago--but they did involve finances. Short version (and this is relevant) we had a business, as you and your wife do, and it was not doing well. My response was to try something new, his was to keep trying the same old things. He wanted a quick solution, a debt-ladened speedway to the consumerist American Dream. I wanted a slower, more long-term solution. I was looking at the numbers and suggested practical changes to our seasonal business: a sharper focus on our profitable niche work, and a shift to something else every year during 4 months of downtime. But it became apparent that he was not in business to make money; he'd become a businessman so that it could bolster his ego. The marraige and the business hinged on whether he woke up from that or he decided to stay asleep.
Finances were not so much the cause as the symptom of what happened to the business and the marriage. You and the missus already had a profitable business so you probably have much more to build on. That's a good thing.
If she will agree to marriage counselling, I suggest you try it. Mine never would but your lady sounds more sensible.
Addendum: for what it's worth, my ex abandoned me and the kids, married a rich woman, and had a nice run with things like multiple homes and the yacht club and such. Now the homes are underwater, he's terminally ill, and I live a sustainable debt-free lifestyle with someone new. Slow and steady wins the race.
Thanks everyone for your comments and support. To JAG's & Safewrite's comments: the turmoil in our relationship is separate from the lifestyle changes I am making. They brought a lot of issues to the fore (which otherwise might have continued to merely simmer) but they're not the cause.
We both agree that this should not hurt our business. Our work skeds are such that we are never at the studio at the same time. We are actually moving the biz across the street to new digs at the end of the month and cutting our rent cost nearly in half. So we will get to prosper a bit more financially and together or apart we are looking forward to that.
Agaain, thanks all, and have a good thought for us as we move forward.
Hi Sager. As you revealed to us your new situation a few days ago, I, like others here, felt as bit saddened that something as important as your marraige was in jeopardy- possibly due to prep issues. I pondered a proper response without finding one. But it seems that things for you are actually moving forward and that is not always in the direction we planned. Thanks for sharing and trusting us with you issues that may have a bearing on others here on CM. You are a unique member here, and your posts are always valuable. You both have my good thoughts! Mahalo Nui Loa, Aloha, Steve.
Last week and weekend we had a friend visiting from out of town, with her child. She is suffering with moderate/advanced early onset Alzheimer's, although neither she nor her husband publicly acknowledge this, so there were no preparations for her condition made. My family and I had to in essence drop what we had planned, and in general integrate their care (she was without her husband) into our life while they were here. It was not easy to do, but once we saw that it needed to happen, we made corresponding attitude adjustments. This is not a "neighbor" but someone who is part of our extended community, like family. This site has really helped me understand that cultivating generousity is one of those "preps" that is essential, and going to be more so in the coming time. therefore, I try to look at these opportunities as prep work as much as storing food and water.
I swear y'all , Community IS the most important prep we can make . It IS ALL ABOUT THE PEOPLE !!! Today my #1 son was in a motorcycle accident and I was called by friends before the ambulance was even called I was able to meet it at the Hospital . While there the nurses gave hugs and asked how my daddy was doing . We got to bring him home with just bandages and shaken up praise God !
FM, I am so glad for you, that your son was not seriously injured in the motorcycle accident!! That's great news! And TG that you do have such a close knit community of people (family, friends and neighbors) watching out for each other!
LOL when I went in to the bank this morning they ask about the son as well because they had heard it on the scanner . I said LOL no secrets here and She said : Take the good with the bad .
You do not get away with a thing in Small communities . But really keeps ya on the straight and narrow .
LOL when I went in to the bank this morning they ask about the son as well because they had heard it on the scanner . I said LOL no secrets here and She said : Take the good with the bad .
You do not get away with a thing in Small communities . But really keeps ya on the straight and narrow .
Small community accountability definitely improves behavior. We see the same thing in our area.
I've been a huge believer in the need for community when the SHTF. Defending what you have, having extra sets of hands, and weathering illness are just a few reasons why it makes sense.
The pros certainly outweigh the cons in my mind, though many disagree. I've already started to discuss with my neighbors at a very high level. I do have a few potential community members in mind (based on their reaction).
Below I've linked to a comprehensive write up of 10 Reasons Why Building a Community is Key.
I second the comments by Poet... so glad to get an update from you.. and so sorry to hear that there is strife in the SagerXX love life... I hope that you will once again find yourself Sager XOXO in the not too distant future. Be well, and keep posting.
Thanks in part to your inspiration.. this Sunday I walked down my street with a (gift) bottle of wine and introduced myself to some new neighbors... that bought a house that had been vacant for about 1.5 years. It takes a community.. right ?
I have been through total guilt casting out a young couple who were living in my rental house for 4 months.... without paying a dime because they lost their job when the Govt. come took away their kid. I have found that One can only help those who want to help themselves . I am sure they are dealing drugs out of my house !!! Anyway they lost their kid , their jobs ,their car , and now their home and still not reached bottom enough to turn around . BUT I have to have money to pay the taxes and insurance . Could it be that sometimes we have to weed out the weekest link? I hated to think this way but they are not building the community .... they are like a canker sore. That being said they were not of the family and I can not support everyone . I am sorry that they will wander on somehow and someone else will have to deal with them .
Sorry about the split ,Sager, {{{ BIG HUGS}}} I know you did not take this step lightly and am also sure there are totally mixed emotions !!! .DEEP BREATHS ( this news even makes me shaky ...But for the grace of God go I .) For now I stand on a solid rock of faithfulness of my husband . I know my Hubs HATES change and he Hates to loose so I count on him sticking here like super glue . I pray for your clear thoughts in your new journey that you find a new security of who you are , what is your calling ,and purpose .
I watched a series "Frontier House " after 6 months in the cabin survival 2 out of three couples did not stay together when they returned to civilization . They found out they stuck together when times were hard and they needed each other for survival but also found many things that they did not like about themselves and each other that could not keep them united when facing the real world of today .
Soul searching is not an easy trip . When we are held to the fire we come out refined / purified .
I think MANY people will turn on each other . We will not be able to trust those we thought we could maybe we can not trust ourselves .I think we will all find some ugly truths about ourselves when put to the test . Often the line between right and wrong sometimes gets a little fuzzy but I do pray that you do come to the right path for the two of you .
FM
PS. hope I did not step on any toes of the site rules .
Sager, my heart goes out to you! The staggering economy may be the first shock wave we experience as we go through this time of change and upheaval, but it sure isn't the only one. The aftershocks are doozies.
My thoughts and best wishes are with you both! You are cared about here.
Hi Sagerxx,
Sorry to hear about the decisions you're having to make, regarding your relationships. I haven't really followed this thread fully, so I don't know the story behind the move, except that it seemed like you had made a good move previously, in your opening post.
I'm at a similar juncture, though I also have 2 adult kids. We moved to a semi-rural place a few years ago, which was something of a compromise at the time. I can't get the message through to any of my friends and now it seems that my family is intent on simply waiting until the collapse becomes obvious (to me, this reeks of denial) and prefer to keep their fingers crossed that they can get through whatever happens with the friends they have now. So I'm largely trying to prepare alone. Which is bad enough, but doing it for people who don't want to help adjust their own lives is downright disheartening. Result: motivation low.
I don't think we have enough land here (0.75 acre and was something of a compromise at the time) to prepare properly whilst the rest of the community has its collective head in the sand, but there doesn't seem to be a resolution in sight, that doesn't involve some kind of separation.
Good luck.
[Edit: hmm, I realised I said some of this at the beginning of the year - it's still dragging on even after a family conference recently]
Honest to Pete Y'all , they can not possibly straddle the fence much longer until they see their money just is not going as far as it used to . The mainstream news is even picking up on somethings although some of them that get it suddenly get cancelled . Boy the true Tin foil Hat people are rockin on the preps . There are more and more buisness jumping on this oppertunity . I mean really if Walmart has a bult prepping section how much more of a HERE"S YOUR SIGN does a person need !?!?!
there is none so blind as those that will not see .
If you truely love these people keep preping for them same as you have bought life insurance !
FM
I too am sorry to hear of your situation.....but, when I think of whats to come, and how many will be tested not by their choosing I can't help but think you're going to be that much tougher, stronger, and prepared. And if it works out, great. If it doesn't, you get to push reset on your terms and start anew. It sounds like you've got much to offer, don't settle.
Just thinking of you with appreciation for your wonderful presence on this website and faith in your ability to find a good way through this current situation. Your character and values show in your posts. Here's hoping your community is supporting you both well as you sort yourselves out.
Still love your tagline. Still gets me back on track. Sounds like you are fully living it!
Best Wishes
Susan
Sager,
My apologies if my take on this situation is inaccurate, but your marriage has to be more important than prepping. Lot's of people complain about their spouses not sharing their concerns and outlook, but I think it's a blessing because the truth tends to lie between two opposing points of view.
I hope you two can find your way back to one another, one way or another.
All the best my friend....Jeff
Hey Sager,
Been through a separation. Know it's tough. Mine was caused because I was facing reality, and the man was not. The issues were not regarding prepping--this was over 25 years ago--but they did involve finances. Short version (and this is relevant) we had a business, as you and your wife do, and it was not doing well. My response was to try something new, his was to keep trying the same old things. He wanted a quick solution, a debt-ladened speedway to the consumerist American Dream. I wanted a slower, more long-term solution. I was looking at the numbers and suggested practical changes to our seasonal business: a sharper focus on our profitable niche work, and a shift to something else every year during 4 months of downtime. But it became apparent that he was not in business to make money; he'd become a businessman so that it could bolster his ego. The marraige and the business hinged on whether he woke up from that or he decided to stay asleep.
Finances were not so much the cause as the symptom of what happened to the business and the marriage. You and the missus already had a profitable business so you probably have much more to build on. That's a good thing.
If she will agree to marriage counselling, I suggest you try it. Mine never would but your lady sounds more sensible.
Addendum: for what it's worth, my ex abandoned me and the kids, married a rich woman, and had a nice run with things like multiple homes and the yacht club and such. Now the homes are underwater, he's terminally ill, and I live a sustainable debt-free lifestyle with someone new. Slow and steady wins the race.
Thanks everyone for your comments and support. To JAG's & Safewrite's comments: the turmoil in our relationship is separate from the lifestyle changes I am making. They brought a lot of issues to the fore (which otherwise might have continued to merely simmer) but they're not the cause.
We both agree that this should not hurt our business. Our work skeds are such that we are never at the studio at the same time. We are actually moving the biz across the street to new digs at the end of the month and cutting our rent cost nearly in half. So we will get to prosper a bit more financially and together or apart we are looking forward to that.
Agaain, thanks all, and have a good thought for us as we move forward.
Viva -- Sager
Hi Sager. As you revealed to us your new situation a few days ago, I, like others here, felt as bit saddened that something as important as your marraige was in jeopardy- possibly due to prep issues. I pondered a proper response without finding one. But it seems that things for you are actually moving forward and that is not always in the direction we planned. Thanks for sharing and trusting us with you issues that may have a bearing on others here on CM. You are a unique member here, and your posts are always valuable. You both have my good thoughts! Mahalo Nui Loa, Aloha, Steve.
Last week and weekend we had a friend visiting from out of town, with her child. She is suffering with moderate/advanced early onset Alzheimer's, although neither she nor her husband publicly acknowledge this, so there were no preparations for her condition made. My family and I had to in essence drop what we had planned, and in general integrate their care (she was without her husband) into our life while they were here. It was not easy to do, but once we saw that it needed to happen, we made corresponding attitude adjustments. This is not a "neighbor" but someone who is part of our extended community, like family. This site has really helped me understand that cultivating generousity is one of those "preps" that is essential, and going to be more so in the coming time. therefore, I try to look at these opportunities as prep work as much as storing food and water.
And boy am I grateful for health. WHoooo wheeee.
I swear y'all , Community IS the most important prep we can make . It IS ALL ABOUT THE PEOPLE !!! Today my #1 son was in a motorcycle accident and I was called by friends before the ambulance was even called I was able to meet it at the Hospital . While there the nurses gave hugs and asked how my daddy was doing . We got to bring him home with just bandages and shaken up praise God !
FM
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FM, I am so glad for you, that your son was not seriously injured in the motorcycle accident!! That's great news! And TG that you do have such a close knit community of people (family, friends and neighbors) watching out for each other!
Thanks Pinecarr
LOL when I went in to the bank this morning they ask about the son as well because they had heard it on the scanner . I said LOL no secrets here and She said : Take the good with the bad .
You do not get away with a thing in Small communities . But really keeps ya on the straight and narrow .
Thanks Pinecarr
LOL when I went in to the bank this morning they ask about the son as well because they had heard it on the scanner . I said LOL no secrets here and She said : Take the good with the bad .
You do not get away with a thing in Small communities . But really keeps ya on the straight and narrow .
Small community accountability definitely improves behavior. We see the same thing in our area.
I've been a huge believer in the need for community when the SHTF. Defending what you have, having extra sets of hands, and weathering illness are just a few reasons why it makes sense.
The pros certainly outweigh the cons in my mind, though many disagree. I've already started to discuss with my neighbors at a very high level. I do have a few potential community members in mind (based on their reaction).
Below I've linked to a comprehensive write up of 10 Reasons Why Building a Community is Key.
http://www.thehomeforsurvival.com/2012/09/28/community-surviving-disaster/