Cold Fusion

I have seen the setup and listening to the professors  and Drs gathered around it I can vouch for the intellectual honesty and rigour.

Here is the latest email from Ryan who is conducting the demonstration.

The highest indicated level was 15 percent, but there are reasons to not believe that number. The way we chose the measure the heat from the internal temperatures seems to have been affected by the hydrogen pressure dropping. The external temperature sensors showed very small temperature rise. We are in the middle of some experiment steps to try and exclude possible effects from gas composition and density right now.

Does that sound like charlatanism?

I made a mistake.

I inadvertantly published a Jokey HaHa site about a replication of Rossies eCat. The fools don't know the magnitude of the consequences of not finding a replacement fuel to for our agricultural equipment.

I gloss over Triffling matters such as the Climate Catastrophe due to the use of carbon as a fuel. 

The Lectures by Professor Hagelstein on the state of the Pons and Fleishmann effect can be found here. The awful sound has been enhanced and is now tolerable. He leads one into some pretty meaty physics.

I hope you find the time to follow him as far as you can.

Thats very good Transitioner.

However, we convert 10 units of fossil fuel into one unit of food on the fork.

Source.

methods instead of requiring 10 calories of fossil fuel inputs for every calorie of food we eat.

Forbes

This has enabled us to grow the population from 2.56 Billion when I was born to whatever it is now.

We did this, not by becoming much better farmers but by the discovery of FF.

We eat oil, and unless we find another source of energy to feed the excess population that we have now they will starve.

After we have come to our senses about the Right To Breed and have got the population back down below 1Billion then we can impliment Permaculture. But now is not the time to do it.

The other thing we can do is to leave the planet. This is begining to get up a head of steam. Don't worry, we won't be taking you.

All that is the truth Tony, and has been modeled in the Limits to Growth report. The way to circumvent the implications of the Limits to Growth is to attack their assumptions.

Their assumption was that we are Limited to the surface of this rock. I am aware that even the infinity of space will succomb to exponential growth due to the limits imposed by the speed of light. 

However we need time to change what is meant by being human. We are a work in progress anyway and cannot be held in aspic.

I have tried to cover all these issues in my SF story. There is no need to rehash them here.

I am growing trees in some worked out soil at Salmon Gums.You can see the spot if you type in  33°06'03.53" S 121°38'37.94" E into Google Earth. Impressed? Neither am I.

We have put in kilometers of 120mm pipeline to syphon the water from the top dams. I have put in many hundreds of hours of hard work in the sun. The purpose of the exercise is to prepare a bit of ground that will yield food with no to little diesel fuel. You can see the results for yourself. Zilch. 

You see all that broad acre farm around there? That is where wheat comes from. It is sterile sand. Dead as a dodo. The only way that the farmers can grow your food is with fertilizer, diesel and glyphos.

But I have become clever. I have abandoned the Paulonia and have put in all palm trees. They all survived!! I take climate change very seriously. The Hadley cells are expanding. Tomorrow I get back on my bike and head out there to do some weeding.

You extrapolated too far Transitioner and have missed your mark.

The soils in which I am trying to grow date palms are Dead. As dead as a dodo. They have been killed by broad acre monoculture to feed the population spike. These are the soils that we rely on to feed us. They extend for hundreds of miles in all directions.

Soils enhancement technologies were one of the parameters that the Limits to Growth tried in their models. It was neither implemeted nor did it's effects suffice in the models.

The sun has increased it's output by 20% in 4.5 Billion years. The Goldilocks zone is leaving us. It is our role in Gaia to take us off this rock. It is inevatible that the oceans will boil away when Gaia can no longer keep fixing the hydrogen to oxygen as it is broken by contact with deep sea magma. The oceans create life and life preserves the oceans.

I am a transhumanist because I wear glasses and shoes. I do not run naked around the bush catching bugs and eating termites. I sit at this computer communicating with other brains all over the planet in an instant. I am indifferent to the setting of the sun. I flick a switch and am bathed in light. When I was a child this was not the case. When it got dark one was forced to go to bed.

Gaia has created a brain, and we are it. However, it is in the nature of the creation of a brain that an excess of neurons are produced and a ruthless pruning takes place. I am of the opinion that the pruning is upon us now. There is going to be a dieoff. Only well-connected usefull neurons will be allowed to live in an environment of limited resources.

I have stated before that it is a common mis-representation of the position that when we leave this gravity well we will be going down another. 

This will unfold as it must.

Robots can take on the task on performing permaculture. If powered by abundant, clean electricity, whether cold fusion, LENR, CIHT, Controlled Intermediate Nuclear Fusion, Aneutronic Hot Fusion, or direct conversion of subatomic particle mass into electricity, there is no reason to avoid supposedly less efficient agricultural techniques. There are enough not-so-wild opportunities out there in the realm of new energy physics that the problem of energy will largely dealt with before it becomes normal to have robotic permaculturists. We don't have to give up technology or the entire time of day, for the sake of sustainability. We can have it all.

Transitioner, try not to use the Strawman argument.

Forbes was quoting someone who was quoting someone else. I have read the original research on the ratio of oil input/ food output energy onto the farm. . The Truth is independant of it's source. Even Hitler must have made a truthful statement in his life.

kmarinas86, may I suggest that you see this most important video of all time. It is all about the Exponential curve. Even if we increased our food output a hundred fold, the Exponential curve would do us in.

We are not going to increase out agricultural output a hundred fold because, as I said, we did not become much better farmers than our ancestors, we found oil. We eat oil. 

I expect our agricultural productivity (read: not output) to increase 100 fold with the advent of new technologies. The new technologies in the 21st century need not be based on oil. Can you say for certain that understanding of plant growth on a molecular level cannot be accelerated somehow by some time mid century in the 2050's?

Please also understand that multiplying by 100 is very different than following an exponential curve. Also, when I said, "[T]he amount of Permaculture that can be had in this world is only limited to the amount of green space that you can comfortably fit on this planet." I wasn't invoking the exponential growth function to an infinity in time - quite the opposite really.