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Daily Digest 5/28 - Tragedy At Midway Atoll, America to Lose Everything Because of This Crisis

Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 11:22 AM

Economy

New report indicates private industry interested in building moon base (Arthur Robey)

The initial draft of the report created by Bigelow is to be delivered to NASA in the next few weeks. A second report, due in the fall is to more specifically detail private sector plans for space exploration. Gerstenmaier pointed out on the call that his agency is taking a different approach than usual with its request to Bigelow. Normal protocol calls for the agency to develop its internal strategy then reach out to the private sector for help in achieving its goals. This time around, NASA is looking to see what the private sector is up to, and then will make decisions about its own plans based on what is found.

Swedish riots: if instability can happen here, what might unfold elsewhere? (ScubaRoo)

The second observation to make about Sweden is that parties of all persuasions have drifted rightwards over the past few years. It was the left that, in 2005, abolished inheritance tax, so that a Swede will now pay no duty on being left a million kronor, but will face a tax of 67% for starting their own business. And when it comes to privatising public services, Stockholm is way out in front of Westminster.

'Horror movie in a pill’: Side-effects of Lariam worse than malaria (VeganD)

The Prime Time programme revealed new research showing a higher risk of suicide among members of the army who had taken Larium during their deployments overseas than those who didn’t.

Worse-Than-Cyprus Debt Load Means Caribbean Defaults to Moody’s (westcoastjan)

The average debt for a Caribbean nation compared with the size of its economy stands at 70 percent, with Jamaica, Antigua & Barbuda and Grenada above the 93 percent ratio that forced Cyprus to seek a European Union-brokered March bailout, according to the International Monetary Fund and Moody’s. Jamaica’s debt-to-GDP ratio reached 140 percent last year.

Peter Schiff: America to Lose Everything Because of This Crisis (westcoastjan)

"The crisis is imminent," Schiff said. "I don't think Obama is going to finish his second term without the bottom dropping out. And stock market investors are oblivious to the problems."

"We're broke, Schiff added. "We owe trillions. Look at our budget deficit; look at the debt to GDP ratio, the unfunded liabilities. If we were in the Eurozone, they would kick us out."

The jewellery designer who turns profits into aid for the poor (westcoastjan)

"I had studied anthropology at university in London, and ended up working in human rights, to do with indigenous tribal minorities, particularly in south east Asia - Borneo, Thailand - to do with land rights issues, cultural rights - nothing to do with jewellery at all," she says.

Canada Putting Too Many Eggs in Oil Basket (James S.)

Pipeline company Enbridge is pressing for its Northern Gateway project to deliver oil from Alberta province west to ports in British Columbia. Kinder Morgan, meanwhile, is looking to double what it already sends through its Trans Mountain pipeline, meaning about 890,000 barrels of oil per day could be ready for Chinese and Indian economies at Vancouver ports. The provincial government in British Colombia, however, has balked at the idea that its pristine coastal vista could feature oil tankers along the horizon. Without those pipelines, at least a few of Oliver's cornerstones won't hold their load.

VIDEO: An environmental tragedy (Dana T.)

On one of the remotest islands on our planet, tens of thousands of baby albatrosses lie dead on the ground, their bodies filled with plastic from the Pacific Garbage Patch. This is the trailer for the feature film “MIDWAY” which expects to be released late 2013.

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Video Trailer (Midway) an Environmental Tragedy

Oh my ! What have we done. Brings tears to my eyes. 

It makes me ashamed of being a human being.

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Time to change

Nervous Nelly wrote:

Oh my ! What have we done. Brings tears to my eyes. 

It makes me ashamed of being a human being.

To put all this in context, more QE is a vote to just do more of the same, including put more plastic into the ocean.

That's my primary disagreement with all of economics of any stripe; as long as the model is a vote to grow bigger, and do more of the same, while actively poo-poo-ing any discussion around the idea that perhaps we are wantonly destroying life in the process, our own included, then it is a broken model and not worth preserving.

Whether you are tracking bees disappearing (both feral and domesticated), Fukushima radiation flooding into the ocean, aquifers shrinking at alarming rates, weather instability,  the growing gap between the wealthy and everyone else, or any of a hundred other things, they all lead to the same conclusion.

It is time to change our habits.

With new priorities, where things beyond profits are truly valued, we can actually be a force for positive change across the world.  Humans are nature sped up.  That's our potential and if we want to leave behind a world worth inheriting, it must become our destiny.

The alternative is a hard date with an unpleasant future.  I suppose I should be at peace with either outcome - after all, if things were meant to be different, then they would be different.  What will happen needs to happen, is how the thinking goes.

But I am very much not at peace with the direction of travel for the world right now.  The agents of change are wildly outnumbered by the protectors of the status quo.

Left behind in all the hoopla about rising stock markets, etc., is the very notion that the last thing we need to be encouraging right now is a faster pace of growth in the consumption of what's left.  Might as well cheer on the kitchen fire as it moves to the second floor.

Instead, what it we simply asked, what's the rush?

Why is it our job to remove the last vestiges of oil and natural gas from the ground at the fastest possible pace, instead of leaving some behind for those who will follow us?  Why would we allow untested chemicals to be grandfathered into widespread use into the environment?  What should we make of the astonishing and growing use of mood stabilizing drugs even as we are told that this way of life simply must be preserved at any and every cost?

The cognitive dissonance builds within those paying attention, and it is getting extreme.

It's time to change.

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Preaching to the choir

Chris said,

But I am very much not at peace with the direction of travel for the world right now.  The agents of change are wildly outnumbered by the protectors of the status quo.

This is true... but the biggest group by far are those who remain asleep... overwhelmed by either the day-to-day weight of their debt serfdom, or the comfortable numbness of their pursuit of happiness, abetted by the recovery narrative they are force fed by the mass media.  

We preach to each other here... but it is just not clear to me that we are developing the correct tools to wake up the masses.  I want better tools.  I want something more akin to a Grand Universal Theory that ties it all together.  My own personal belief is that this all wraps back to the money... and the FED.  

“Without the Federal Reserve, there’s no Monsanto.”

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/05/28/chants-of-end-the-fed-heard-at-a...

People who have been programmed to think that economics and money are subjects beyond their comprehension need to realize that this is simply not true... and that there are few things that effect them more profoundly than the nature of our money, who controls it, and who benefits from it.  Is it any wonder that in a day where, as Chris has said, we know, "the price of everything and value of nothing" that our society can turn the oceans into garbage dumps and write laws that protect corporations like Monsanto from any future responsibility for the havoc their frankencreations might engender?  

I believe that the answer lies in waking more people up.  I want better tools for doing this.   

More on ocean dumping;

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This may make you wish that Bernanke would stay

I won't even say it. Somewhere in the distance a cry of "nooooooooooooo! noooooooooooooooo!!!!" could be heard.

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I'm with Nervous Nelly

And also with Chris and Jim. I am both ashamed and angry - with much of my anger coming from the feeling of being powerless to effect this change that is so desperately needed now, not somewhere down the road. As Jim noted, so many think that economics and money are too complex to deal with, avoiding these issues like the plague. I just read an article saying over half of Americans have never even heard of the XL pipeline. And another article where some well to do folks in Vancouver are demanding that the school board build a covered play ground so that the kids don't have to be in the rain at recess. And so it goes...

I remain, as ever, in awe of the level of self-centred, parochial mindsets that pervade modern day life. I just cannot relate. I have been sitting here for five minutes trying to think of what to say next. But what I am feeling after watching the video trailer cannot really be put into words. Being ashamed just touches upon it. I really don't know what else to say. This is really a sad reflection of who we have become.

Jan

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Massive die off.

If someone (perhaps with a spiritual/religious rationale) were to say that we humans deserve to be killed on a massive scale (ala Noah's flood) who could argue against that? Not me. Whether or not we deserve it or not, a massive die off objectively seems like a very rationale possible scenario for our future. And incidentally such a die off would "miraculously" solve most of our current problems and end most of our bad habits. A massive die off would end the Fed, for instance, dramatically reduce our use of fossil fuels and production of pollution. And the beauty of this "solution" is that, just like the budget sequester,if we do nothing better this will be imposed on us without us having to do anything at all (which appears likely). "Nature bats last."

"May the odds be ever in your favor!" Hunger Games

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"time to change"

Chris, your conclusion "time to change" is a deceptively modest statement that summarizes the situation very well in 3 words. I have benefited extremely much by your writings and analyses and note that we are all hungry for major change.   Moreover,  the "change" referred to is nothing less than a major paradigm shift in human society, no less profound than earlier paradigm shifts such as transitioning to settlement agriculture (tended crops) from a roaming lifestyle, or industrialization-big city development from rural based hand  to mouth life.   The post collapse new paradigm will be small communities that are mostly self-sufficient, particularly in food and energy and that have something excess to trade with other communities.  And, the internet will provide virtually free and instantly all information for problem solving discovered by humanity thus far.  New, low cost education systems (see the new/free instruction provided by Ron Paul and by MIT for ex) and other activities will become easy to do locally based on the internet. 

In this context, “time to change”  is a call for personal action to not only prepare for but actually create the next paradigm.  The following is not something new, not an invention or a new idea, but merely basic facts and logic: 

New Post Collapse Communities Self-assemble from Smaller Groups That Create Wealth to Trade with Each Other

This is how:

  1. Each person must select his/her area of contribution to a larger community and immediately work on improving capabilities, skills, tool gathering to create personal value.  Reach out as a mentor to those who want to learn and become a student of a master, while getting basic knowledge from internet study.  (DECIDE: will you supply energy?  Food from gardening? House repair? Heat production-fireplace or  furnace expert? Primary medical care as a practical nurse? Or combination?)
  2. Become a leader in the selected area or else join a group from a leader (such as a mentor)
  3. Each group creates wealth at the local level (food, solar electricity, medical care, child care, waste recycling etc) and does two things thereby:  1. Creates a reputation within the community or communities for the selected area and 2. Trades excess (excess food, electricity, car repair services, child care time credits etc.) with other groups.
  4. As each functional group creates more wealth and actively trades with other groups a community self-forms.  A group can be a member of more than one community (eg. Medical group can diagnose and administer via long distance communications to a remote community, a communications or computer group can provide services long distance) and a talented person can be a member of more than one group.

A community currency can be developed to facilitate this stuff outside of the international banker control system.  I don’t have time here to provide details but can upon request, (again, not new, the reader has probably already considered how).

The above is well known and merely a reminder  of what each person can DO NOW for this "time to change."  The Peak Prosperity blog has made a start in providing groups but needs to do more to facilitate this: more specificallly, each person with an interest /specialty in one wealth producing discipline needs to 1 review the entire range of wealth producing needs of a community and 2 find others in the same discipline.  I would like to receive a questionaire with each new paradigm community need listed so  that I can match up my abilities with what a  self sufficient community needs and send that information to be collated so that people with the same interests cam more easily find each other.  People are shy and need help organizing this and finding each other to make this change needed.

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in keeping with the "It's time to change" line of thinking...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-28/i-give-damn-capitalist-manifest...

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regarding "its time to change"

Thanks westcoastjan.  That is a very interesting essay.  However, notions of "capitalism vs communism" and the like would melt into  insignificance in the new paradigm if we create and live in local communities where we know the other wealth producers and consumers as neighbors or friends.  All  the isms come from the collective, which is an unnatural gigantic grouping lorded over by  banksters.  We dont need that obsolete institutionalization model from the last paradigm change.  The bankster collectives of pro or anti capitalism organizers are unneeded in the future.  Local communities obviate such arguments.  Collectivism in all its forms are about to collapse and need to be replaced with local communities focused on wealth creation and use among neighbors and friends.

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Time to choose.

Dr. Gerard K O'Neil asked his students a very simple question. "Is the surface of the Earth an appropriate place for industry?"

The answer was obviously not. 

I am in favour of Civilization and the fruits of Civilization.

I am not so keen on the loss of 75% of the population of the planet after it has been turned into a garbage dump, which is the other choice.

So if we are in favour of civilization, where do we put our industry and our garbage? Not in my back yard, that is for sure.

There is a place that is big enough that we will not be able to bespoil it no matter how ingenious we are. 

And that is out of the gravity well.

You must choose. Civilization and it's fruits or Death.

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not an absolute

either or. Civilization is a relative expression. We should be asking,"what state of civilization is sustainable?" I don't ask that question esp. when alone because the answer is not something i trully want to know.

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The Black Pill

    We often talk about the blue and red pill but the video threw me in a new zone of awareness. I'll call it the black pill.  Like Jan I typed a few words this morning to decribe what I was feeling because it was just too much. My shock was the amount of plastic pollution, the horrific carnage to the ecosystem and it's innocent inhabitants on such far and isolated island.  SO FAR AWAY from me (us) or civilisation but sooooo impossibily cleanable and murderous!  What about the rest of the planet ? We're killing it. There's no where to hide our sorry little arrogant ass anymore.  It's a train (society ,corporations) with a lot of momentum and there's no way to stop this train wreak. We are so F----d.  It's Mother nature that's going to take charge and bring us down to our knees.. The sooner the better for all concerned on earth.  Jim has it right a massive die off. 

I was able to slowly identify the feelings that were rising inside me, shame, rage , hopelessness, overwhelmness, and fearfulness...... What are we leaving behind? It will take centuries to rejuverate.  I spent the day in a daze more aware of my environment and the monster we have created than I've ever before. The world felt like it had stopped for me and everybody was going about their petty, zombie mindless daily routines with the cars, cellphones, wasteland of houses , miles of asphalt, commercial and industrial buildings, an artificial , isolated, insolated man made environment.

Let's stop celebrating and glorifing man's fantastic exploits and his "God given right" to subdue the earth to his will. He has done enough for himself and his ego.

Sorry about my ranting but I needed to express all this. Thanks to all the others positive posts on change. I am already the change that I want for this world but now this video requires me to go further.

Note : Video I saw 2 months ago called the "Plastic Cow" . India 's cows were sacred but with the newly introduced modern culture of bottled milk ,cows are abandoned. The sustainable cycle between the cow fertilizing the earth and then providing milk to the farmer is gone. They feed in the streets and wind up sick and dying because they eat plastic bags. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/plastic-cow/

BAN PLASTICS !!  Ban the throw away society.

  Sonya

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The Black Pill

Sonya,  I am with you in the level of existential distress these videos have induced in me  (Note that the "die off" was proffered by our erudite friend from Philly, THC).  I was aware of the garbage in the ocean.. but not of its consequence.  How dumb of me to think there was no consequence.  Anyway, I continue to grapple with the why of it.  Why do we view the earth the way we do?  Surely if we really internalized the concept of "mother earth" we would not carry on the way we do.  Why do we, the most advanced species, shit where we eat?  Trying to raise awareness via Earth Day clearly is not cutting it... we need to get to the root of it somehow.         

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Hello Sonya,

it was a You Tube video from Ted Talks back in 2008 that first brought my attention of Chris Jordan, the director of the new documentary film, Midway. He has such pure honesty and an open heart:

However, I believe the award for documenting the egregious nature of man at its fullest, must go to Dhar Jamail, who has proven without question that our legacy of destruction is not of hundreds, but many many thousands of years ahead:

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only serious consequences will get us to the root of the problem

...and even then I am not so sure the necessary changes will be effected. I base this thought on the knowledge that there are many humans who have received the ultimate medical diagnosis - that they are terminally ill - yet they keep on doing what made them ill e.g. the smokers just keep on smoking. I once knew a man who had cancer of the throat and continued to smoke, exhaling through the hole in his throat. How stupid is that?!? How mind numbingly dumb, ignorant, and selfish.

We are going to get our sorry asses kicked by Mother Nature. Actually, we ARE getting our sorry asses kicked. But like the terminal smoker, we just keep on with the same behaviours that got us into the predicament. We ignore the signs we are being given, both subtle and overt. Climate change? What climate change? Heck, those super storms are good to prop up the GDP with the rebuilding! Species extinction? Well, they are so tiny it is no big deal and we won't miss the little critters. Resource depletion? Nah, we're on our way to energy independence, and we have so much we are going to ship it to other countries! Water worries? Hell no! We'll just desalinate the oceans and make more so that we can keep on watering our lawns! And don't worry about the Great Lakes going down - that is just in your imagination. And don't you worry about fracking pollution either. If we can't see it, why worry about it!

Like Sonya, I am experiencing the gamut of emotion triggered by that video trailer. The emotions have always been there, but were tempered by the positive thinking emotions that for the most part keep me on an even keel. Perhaps I have been reading too much the past year?!? Is it true that ignorance is really bliss?!? I am currently reading The Age of Greed. I only get so far each time I pick it up before I have to put it down again because I become so disgusted and angry at the damage that has been wrought by so few individuals. And more so because we let them, and in many instances, joined the party of "more is better".

In all honesty I do feel that it is too late to reverse the damage that we have done. I can exert control of my tiny sphere of influence, but when you know that you are in the very, very small minority, you must face the facts at some point. The odds of effecting the necessary large scale changes in the short term are pretty slim. As Jim said, we shit in our own food. We know it is bad for us. We know it is bad for all the other species who co-exist with us. We know that we are seriously compromising the lives of future generations. We know what needs to be done. And still, we keep on with the behaviours that purely reflect the greed and selfishness that permeates our society. How I wish it were otherwise.

There will be a system reset and die-off at some point. That is the inevitable consequence for this predicament which we and we alone as a species have created. I wonder how many of us Mother Nature will give a second chance to? And if She does, will we learn from our mistakes?

Jan

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Reality

It's all so difficult everyday to read about the state of our planet. You want (and need) to know what is going on but the news is ever worsening. I feel the way beyond the dispair that can build from this is to simply keep active in our efforts to make "our" world better; the world right in front of us, the one in our immediate sphere of influence.

Everyday I work towards creating a minimal life for myself that has the least negative impact on the planet. I hope my actions will be seen as an example, even if I seems sometimes that I am the only one pursuing this lifestyle.

We can downsize and simplify our lives by our own design now, or wait and have it done for us by the perhaps forceful powers of a collapsing society.

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It's not our planet, nor our life

Maybe we'd make some progress if we came to the conclusion that this is not OUR planet.  It belongs to Someone else, and he has only loaned it to us. And he will eventually want it back, and in better shape than when he loaned it to us.  Maybe we'd have different and healthier attitudes if we were convinced that even our own lives are not our own to do with as we please.  Maybe we'd be happier and healthier if we lived as if Someone expects us to live for his purposes, and at the end he's going to demand that we account for what we did with the life we were loaned. And wouldn't we live better if we knew that the Accounting would be followed by eternal consequences? Just wondering...

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clean up

I did know about the plastic in the gyre -- that's why I go out  several times a year with kayakers to clean up our streams--------it is absolutely amazing what we collect.

What is the most upsetting to me is plastic and styrofoam, obviously just thrown into the water as if it were some kind of garbage can------soda bottles, empty fishing worm containers, coolers, fast food cups---in addition to fishing wire and all kinds of sporting goods that wash down into the stream.

As that stuff makes its way down stream, some of the plastic starts to break down into smaller and smaller pieces, which looks so pretty to the birds as it reflects on the water.  Eventually it will make it to one of the gyres--we have a smaller one in the Atlantic and an enormous one in the Pacific.  The birds fill their stomaches with plastic so there's no room for anything else and they die a slow death from malnutirition,

I keep telling people about this as we do our cleanups.  So few people know about it.  One of the many tragedies of our times.

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starfish on the beach

When I am sad about how little good I can do for a sad situation by my sad self, I still reflect on this children's story-especially, I should think of it when I am trying to save my own sad self....

"A young girl was walking along a beach upon which thousands of starfish had been washed up during a terrible storm. When she came to each starfish, she would pick it up, and throw it back into the ocean. People watched her with amusement.
 
She had been doing this for some time when a man approached her and said, “Little girl, why are you doing this? Look at this beach! You can’t save all these starfish. You can’t begin to make a difference!”
 
The girl seemed crushed, suddenly deflated. But after a few moments, she bent down, picked up another starfish, and hurled it as far as she could into the ocean. Then she looked up at the man and replied,
 
“Well, I made a difference to that one!”"
Corny? you betcha.....what about it?
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Clean Up

CM wrote:    What is the most upsetting to me is plastic and styrofoam, obviously just thrown into the water as if it were some kind of garbage can------soda bottles, empty fishing worm containers, coolers, fast food cups---in addition to fishing wire and all kinds of sporting goods that wash down into the stream.

       

                NN:                   We took a walk around on  an island in our area last summer and the garbage as mentionned by CM was incredible!!!! . I picked up a bag on the ground and  filled that up and another ....enjoying ourselves but at a certain point i asked my boyfriend if he had his usual large green plastic bag that he carries in his camera bag.  In that walk we picked up about 25-30 lbs. The words coming out of my mouth were not pretty.  How could they do this? Pigs!

I figured if I took this stoll once every 2 weeks I might manage to "Keep Up" the cleaniness and instill positive  habits.  I didn't go back.  I'll go this summer. Vegan some people try to make a difference, one star fish at a time!

        It has been proven that if a place is very clean usually people will feel bad and won't litter as much.  Contrary to that if it looks like a dump .....the attitude will be one more one less won't make a difference. It's not their property so they don't care. Try that with your neighbor , toss you empties in his back yard, you'll get a different reaction !!!!

The Partime Garbage Ladycheeky

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Human Emotion and "the Environment"

Wow. Powerful thread. I appreciate all of you grappling with the impact of the Midway trailer and sharing here so we can gather and benefit from each other’s understanding and resources. 

A few thoughts came up about the interesting and critical challenge of handling our human emotions whilst learning about our impact on the biosphere.  This aspect of "environmental work" (i.e., living) has had my attention for decades, and I've spent thousands of hours learning through reading, workshops and healing practice with likeminded others.  I don't know how this big old story will end, but I am confident now in saying that we do have it in us to befriend and work with our emotional selves in ways that leave our hearts and minds stronger and ever freer for the tasks at hand.  Key concepts: 

-It’s not about badness/stupidity/blame/consequences. They are symptoms of some trouble we have as a species in keeping our innate intelligence up and running under duress. If we are badly enough and long enough hurt, misinformed, isolated, oppressed, exhausted, addicted etc. we act bad and stupid without even being able to see that we are. With our emotional bodies in a state of unhealed pain, our beautiful brains will not think clearly no matter how horrifying the consequences are. Our ability to make changes for the better comes from empowerment, not from consequences and guilt.

-To bear witness to environmental damage is, amongst other things, emotional work. We can approach it like a workout. It will be strenuous, and that is not a problem. There will be lots of human emotions – agonizing at times. Revulsion, self-hatred, rage, grief, powerlessness, despair and so on will rise within us when we find the courage to take a look at what we are doing to our home. These responses and can be expressed, felt, understood and healed.  To stay open enough to accomplish this we will need to have that pain without being critical of it, ourselves or our species. Felt pain yields fresh insight and empowerment – freedom from old unconscious misinformation. It's very basic, very messy - tears, snot, shouting - and it hurts badly sometimes.  We need to fully express the grief and rage within a circle of understanding companions who will remind us that this is safe and worthy work.

-But that is not the end of the awareness journey. That is the beginning. One can start to notice WHY planetary destruction hurts us. It feels unendurable because we HAVE a core love for this planet and we desire to cooperate with our full, loving intelligence within this biosphere. That is a strong place to stand while we face down the many realities and triggered emotions of our situation.  Finding a strong stance is an essential part of any workout.

-Part of emotional resourcefulness is to be close to yourself, the land and other people – especially calm listeners who understand emotional release – while you process pain. Another favorite strategy of mine is to strongly claim the functional, loving, intelligent, joyful, responsible aspect of our humanness even while letting grief, rage and despair come rolling out. Our best is beautiful, if hard won at times. Our best also part of reality and we can take strength from it even while we fight for it. We may find we can bring more of it to the game.

I think the commentary in the trailer is spot-on:

“Do we have the courage to face the realities of our time, and allow ourselves to feel deeply enough that it transforms us, and our future? Come with me on a journey, through the eye of beauty, across and ocean of grief, and beyond.”

It's heartening to me that so many of you ARE feeling and thinking and sharing, and that the film maker could speak to us in a short trailer in such a way to bring so much up.  I'd love to hear more from us about the film when it comes out.

At my new job at a local garden/farm supply and organic food store, it's a marvelous thing to see that without us having a policy or saying a thing to customers, only about one in 20 takes a bag.  They bring their own, use a box or do without.

Susan

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