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Making The World A More Dangerous Place

US foreign policy at work
Friday, November 6, 2015, 9:06 PM

Without any doubt, the Middle East has been a very long-simmering region of violent religious and tribal enmity.

In that regard, perhaps today is no different than 1,000 years ago. But given the importance of the remaining oil in the Middle East to the next 20 years of global economic health, the violence and chaos seen there recently is hugely important to the entire world.

But it’s also equally without doubt that the US and NATO are inflaming the situation by provoking conflicts and supplying military weapons and training to various extremist groups -- therefore deserving much of the blame for the current tensions, despair and mayhem happening in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and Libya.

Forget anything you might read about “brutal dictators” that need to go or the importance of “democracy” to the region. That's dumbed-down pablum for the masses and has literally nothing to do with the motivations of the (clinically insane) external power brokers actually driving the events on the ground and crafting the narrative that is faithfully scribed and re-told by the media. In fact, disturbingly often, the scribed narrative is exactly opposite of the truth.

On The Path To War

If a wider war breaks out between the US/NATO and either Russia and/or China, then massive systemic shocks will result to the economy, oil prices, and the global financial system.

Some comfort themselves with the belief that such a war would not be in the interest of the true powers that now drive the politics of most countries. Others worry that chaotic systems and events sometimes have a life of their own, regardless of what 'the powers that be' may want. We have entered such a time.

While predicting the outbreak of war is not my intent here, I do want you to be appraised of the risks. We all should note that the elevated tensions across the globe are as good a reason as any to get our houses in order. As we reinforce often here at Peak Prosperity: when it comes to such preparations, we vastly prefer to be an entire year early than a single day late.

Good planning begins with good intelligence. But sadly, if you feel relatively well-informed because you read a lot of newspapers or watch a lot of news, you may be among the most misinformed of them all.

Certainly, the events in the Middle East over the past decade have been almost impossible to analyze or understand from a logical perspective.

But the pattern has been clear enough: a rough justification of the need for military force is raised by the US adminstration and, within weeks, money and war material are mobilized to do exactly that. Libya, Iraq, and Syria are recent examples of such.

However, none of this is any surprise to those paying attention. General Wesley Clark warned about the US’s military objectives in the Middle East back in 2007 in an interview with Democracy Now!. It's difficult to read this transcript without concluding that the US was going to manufacture whatever justifications it needed in order to carry out a larger strategy that, inexplicably to rational observers, seemed intent on inflaming and toppling governments across the Middle East -- a monstrous war crime by any historical standard:

About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.”

This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”

So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”

(Source)

Seven countries in five years. 

Poking The Bear – Part IV

Actually, I don’t know how many times the US has poked the bear (Russia) over the past two years, so I thought I’d use “Part IV” to get the point across.  It might be a much higher number.

First there was Ukraine, where the US and other western parties conspired to overthrow the sitting elected government and putting in place the current crop of ultra-nationalist thugs and Nazi sympathizers that now infest the halls of power in Kiev. The situation there is an unfortunate mess, one the West fomented.

Naturally the West was none too pleased when Russia, quite predictably, responded and sought to protect the roughly 8 million Russian speaking citizens living in eastern Ukraine with military support. Money and military aid and the ubiquitous US “advisors” flooded in to help the Kiev militarily dominate eastern Ukraine – ironic, as a few of Ukraine's current leaders were caught on tape saying they’d prefer to nuke the region in an ethnic cleansing.

Then, when the people of Crimea voted to rejoin Russia (perhaps you would, too, if your "elected" leaders dreamed of nuking you), the US reacted as if this were some kind of foul play. That's a strange sort of needle to thread for a country that prides itself of on “spreading democracy” (even by force, if necessary). You’d think that people voting and exercising their free rights would top of the list of acceptable things to the US -- but unless the election outcome is exactly in alignment with US wishes, that’s just not the case.

Similarly, an almost comical (were it not so serious) attempt to malign Russia was made by the US State Department this week. In the aftermath of the US’s own bombing of the Afghan hospital in Kunduz, this charge was leveled against Russia:

U.S. believes Russian bombing in Syria hit hospital: State Department

Oct 29, 2015

The United States has "operational information" that leads U.S. officials to believe Russian military aircraft hit a hospital while carrying out bombing raids in Syria, the State Department said on Thursday.

Since the start of the Russian bombing campaign on Sept. 30, various reports from media and civilian groups have charged that Russian warplanes have hit hospitals with their air strikes.

Asked at a briefing whether the United States had evidence that Russian bombing had hit Syrian hospitals, State Department spokesman John Kirby said, "Yes, we've seen some information that would lead us to believe that Russian military aircraft did hit a hospital.

"We have seen some press reporting to that end, we have seen some Syrian civil society groups say that," Kirby said.

"I would tell you that we have other operational information that leads us to believe that Russian targeting has not only not been focused on ISIL (Islamic State) but has, in fact, caused collateral damage and some civilian casualties, to include some civil infrastructure."

(Source)

Um.... “some press reporting” and “other operational information?” Good grief, that’s lame. Is that all the State Department has?  How about some pictures? Ballistics evidence? Satellite photos? Anything??

Watching this RTTV reporter trying to get something credible out of a State Department spokesperson on the matter is simply cringe-worthy:


The video is also notable for the arrogance on display. Assertions are useless without evidence, and in this age of satellites and drones, evidence of a destroyed hospital should be remarkably easy to come by. Yet not only did the State Department not share any such evidence, it went on to further claim that Russia had been targeting civilian infrastructure, which was another awkward charge for to lob given the news of the week prior:

Warplanes of US-led alliance attack power plant in Aleppo

Oct 18, 2015

A military source told SANA that warplanes of the Washington alliance violated Syrian airspace and attacked civilian infrastructure in Mare’a, Tal Sha’er, and al-Bab in Aleppo countryside on Sunday.

The source added that the warplanes attacked the biggest electric power plant that feeds Aleppo city, which resulted in cutting off power from most neighborhoods in Aleppo city.

This transgression comes only 8 days after two F-16 warplanes belonging to the alliance targeted two power plants in al-Radwaniye area east of Aleppo city, cutting off power from the area.

(Source)

I’ve seen this information presented in various sources and nobody has denied it yet. But neither have I seen pictures, so perhaps this is disinformation too…though Putin is on record as saying "On Sunday, the American aviation bombed out an electrical power plant and a transformer in Aleppo. Why have they done this? Whom have they punished there? What’s the point? Nobody knows,"

Given that charge, you’d think at least a denial from the US was in order. But none has been made. If the allegation is true, though, then it fits a larger pattern of the US criticizing other countries for doing the very same things it does.

Even more seriously, back in June the US rattled its sabers by announcing this:

U.S. Is Poised to Put Heavy Weaponry in Eastern Europe

Jun 13, 2105

RIGA, Latvia — In a significant move to deter possible Russian aggression in Europe, the Pentagon is poised to store battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other heavy weapons for as many as 5,000 American troops in several Baltic and Eastern European countries, American and allied officials say.

The proposal, if approved, would represent the first time since the end of the Cold War that the United States has stationed heavy military equipment in the newer NATO member nations in Eastern Europe that had once been part of the Soviet sphere of influence. Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the war in eastern Ukraine have caused alarm and prompted new military planning in NATO capitals.

(Source)

These moves are indicative of worsening relations with Russia. They show an over-reliance on military options and a woeful lack of diplomatic outreach, at least any that are being reported in the news.  Of course, the risk of all this being interpreted by Russia as 'overtly hostile' is pretty much 100%.

“The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend”

If you are having similarly hard time trying to understand the US’s policy in the Middle East, you're not alone. The shifting alliances in play there are really hard to keep track of.

Turkey has been aiding the so-called Syrian rebels (more on those rebels in a minute) but maintaining its long-standing hatred of the Kurdish people.  The US has been arming the Kurds and Syrian rebels while maintaining a mutual relationship with Turkey. 

Iraq has been struggling with ISIS and accepting help from Iran to deal with them. This puts the US and Iran on the same side of the battle, if you believe that the US is actually trying to stop ISIS rather than covertly helping it. Why would it possibly help ISIS? Because ISIS is battling Assad’s government in Syria.

Crazy, huh?

Now, let’s talk about those so-called “Syrian rebels.”   The term "rebels" implies that these are Syrians fighting their own government. That’s significantly untrue. Consider this:

20,000 Foreign Fighters Flock to Syria, Iraq to Join Terrorists

Feb 10, 2015

WASHINGTON -- Foreign fighters are streaming into Syria and Iraq in unprecedented numbers to join the Islamic State or Iraq and Syria (ISIS) or other extremist groups, including at least 3,400 from Western nations among 20,000 from around the world, U.S. intelligence officials say in an updated estimate of a top terrorism concern.

Nick Rasmussen, chief of the National Counterterrorism Center, said the rate of foreign fighter travel to Syria is without precedent, far exceeding the rate of foreigners who went to wage jihad in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen or Somalia at any other point in the past 20 years.

(Source)

There are dozens of reports indicating that the US, through the CIA and other outfits, has been responsible for a big part of both recruiting and training these foreign fighters, who draw from such nations as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Chechnya and Qatar (among many others). 

In short, anyone and everyone who could be used to topple the government of Syria is being drafted.

I knew how ridiculous the claim of “Syrian rebels” was when I saw this picture showing the prominent ISIS leader Shishani, a well-known Chechen who was reportedly trained and backed by the US while in Chechnya.  

(Source)

But sharp eyes will also easily pick out the fact that he’s surrounded by people clearly not of Syrian origin. In fact, it looks more like a UN diversity conference than a Syrian rebel group.

For the sake of appropriate context, imagine if China were funding “rebels” to attack and fight inside the US, and that these “rebels” were sourced from Mexico, Nicaragua, Argentina, and Peru. 

These images and reports clearly show the pattern in play: the US and Turkey have been funneling vast amounts of arms, money and training to so-called opposition groups that, in many cases, consist of mercenaries and jihadists from a very wide range of different countries. Therefore, the US has directly supported and incubated some of the most brutal terror organization on the face of the planet -- a list including ISIS and the Al Nusra front, both of which are well-documented for having committed horrible civilian atrocities.

That this happened was not exactly news to those inside the beltway. A secret 2012 Pentagon report, since uncovered, detailed exactly this dynamic and predicted the rise of ISIS:

Pentagon report predicted West’s support for Islamist rebels would create ISIS

May 22, 2105

A declassified secret US government document [a US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document then classified as “secret,” dated 12th August 2012] obtained by the conservative public interest law firm, Judicial Watch, shows that Western governments deliberately allied with al-Qaeda and other Islamist extremist groups to topple Syrian dictator Bashir al-Assad.

The document reveals that in coordination with the Gulf states and Turkey, the West intentionally sponsored violent Islamist groups to destabilize Assad, and that these “supporting powers” desired the emergence of a “Salafist Principality” in Syria to “isolate the Syrian regime.”

According to the newly declassified US document, the Pentagon foresaw the likely rise of the ‘Islamic State’ as a direct consequence of this strategy, and warned that it could destabilize Iraq.

The 7-page DIA document states that al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the precursor to the ‘Islamic State in Iraq,’ (ISI) which became the ‘Islamic State in Iraq and Syria,’ “supported the Syrian opposition from the beginning, both ideologically and through the media.”

The formerly secret Pentagon report notes that the “rise of the insurgency in Syria” has increasingly taken a “sectarian direction,” attracting diverse support from Sunni “religious and tribal powers” across the region.

(Source)

Well, of course the Defense department knew that arming and funding violent jihadists was going to lead to some crazy sectarian unpleasantness.  How could they not? 14 years in Afghanistan and Iraq taught them plenty about the region and its sectarian dynamics.

But make no mistake: the US worked hard to attract regional jihadists to Syria to fight their war for them.  That was not an oddity to be curiously noted, but a feature of the program. Why? Because there was not enough legitimate internal Syrian opposition to Assad to get the job done. An angry mob had to be recruited.

Said another way: Syria’s bloody civil unrest is not entirely the result of a natural social uprising, but was fostered with a great deal of external meddling.

Why This Is Worth Our Full Attention

Tensions are as high as they’ve been in decades. Neo-con hotheads with a track record of shooting first and not caring to ask questions later are still driving US foreign policy. Russia is signaling that it has had enough of American intervention that destabilizes volatile parts of the world.  China is flexing its muscles as well.

This is all happening while global economic system is not nearly as robust as advertised. And history shows that nations always react more aggressively during leaner times.

With so many sensitive flash points that the West has its fingers in these days, the risk of one or more of them erupting into a full-scale war between the major world powers is not dismissible. And given the huge cost should that come to pass, it makes all the sense in the world to take precautionary measures in advance.

In Part 2: How Things May Well Get Ugly Quickly we zero in on the largest risks to monitor and the likely range of forms of retribution the US could face (from financial and cyber war to a full-blown shooting war) should the situation worsen.

We're not trying to drum up fears that war is imminent. But what we are saying is that the risk is substantial enough, and the potential cost high enough, that it's worth making some pre-cautionary preparations at this time. 

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Why attack?

Maybe I missed it, but with the "seven countries in five years", why attack in the first place? What is the US trying to accomplish by meddling with the Middle East's affairs?

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Megalomania type ambition.

PNAC- Project for a New American Century. Closely followed by the new Pearl Harbour.

The GOD complex. Guns oil and drugs keeps the criminals in power in power!

The USA is just the attack dog corporation doing the work of the global power elite who have no loyalty to any country, just themselves and the honor amongst thieves crowd!

Its world domination using violence coercion and lots of debt, mainly controlled by the unscrupulous banksters and their politician lackeys. 

A New World Order, and you better not get in their way!

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Griffin: The Creature from Jekyll Island

Chp. 12  Sink the Lusitania.   Spells it all out.  Same thing, once again.  The USA has it all down pat!!

Wars DISTRACT and bring us out of depressions/recessions, and feed the "Military-Industrial Complex." Besides the planet has a population problem and this is a good way to reduce this problem. And OIL, Baby, OIL, is the indispensable key. 

Why not just take over the major oil countries?  But then there is the population problem.  So, we get two for the price of one!!  Besides, Germany/Europe NEEDS young cheap labor to take care of their expanding elders.

It all makes good sense, from the Elite Perspective, no?  Heck, even Bush Sr. berates his Jr son!!!  Still can't figure out why the Sr put out his book now--unless he wants to save Jeb from a really tough and dangerous job.

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War is a racket

War is a Racket by Major General Smedley Bulter

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And let us not forget the bankers who financed the great war. If anyone had the cream of the profits it was the bankers. Being partnerships rather than incorporated organizations, they do not have to report to stockholders. And their profits were as secret as they were immense. How the bankers made their millions and their billions I do not know, because those little secrets never become public -- even before a Senate investigatory body.
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Bush... did you really mean "lying piece of garbage!"

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Shattering the Matrix: War is Not Normal or Decent or Smart

I have seen this theme come by several times in recent weeks--that a world war is "normal,"  "expected,"  "inevitable," "only a mater of time" and "just how things are."  Since "we know it is going to happen" the only pertinent questions is what technologies should be use to wage this war to achieve victory in a nuclear exchange.

This assumption is insanity and needs to be rejected loudly and clearly.  We must break up this "general consensus" by clearly saying "Absolutely Not!"

Paul Craig Roberts puts up a guest post a few days ago:

The West Is So Lost In The Matrix That Only Socialists Can Raise The Real Issues

Washington prepares for World War III
5 November 2015

The US military-intelligence complex is engaged in systematic preparations for World War III. As far as the Pentagon is concerned, a military conflict with China and/or Russia is inevitable, and this prospect has become the driving force of its tactical and strategic planning.  Three congressional hearings Tuesday [...focusing on] 1) cyberwarfare... 2) deployment of the fleet of aircraft carriers, and...  3) modernization of US nuclear weapons.

None of the hearings discussed the broader implications of the US preparations for war, or what a major war between nuclear-armed powers would mean for the survival of the human race, and even of life on our planet. On the contrary, the hearings were examples of what might be called the routinization of World War III. A US war with China and/or Russia was taken as given, and the testimony of witnesses and questions from senators and representatives, Democrats and Republicans alike, concerned the best methods for prevailing in such a conflict.

The Pentagon recently published a document on "The Laws of War."  The World Socialist Website writer, Tom Carter, summarizes his impression of the document.

The new US Department of Defense Law of War Manual is essentially a guidebook for violating international and domestic law and committing war crimes. The 1,165-page document, dated June 2015 and recently made available online, is not a statement of existing law as much as a compendium of what the Pentagon wishes the law to be.

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According to the manual, the “law of war” (i.e., the law of war according to the Pentagon) supersedes international human rights treaties as well as the US Constitution.

The manual authorizes the killing of civilians during armed conflict and establishes a framework for mass military detentions.  Journalists, according to the manual, can be censored and punished as spies on the say-so of military officials. The manual freely discusses the use of nuclear weapons, and it does not prohibit napalm, depleted uranium munitions, cluster bombs or other indiscriminate weapons.

The manual might have more properly been titled A Manifesto for Total War and Military Dictatorship.

Last night in LA, air traffic was re-routed around LAX airport and a ballistic missile was fired from just off the CA coast from a nuclear submarine.  It was reported as visible throughout southern CA and even AZ and NV.

Psychopathology of Killing to Steal and Dominate

At the individual level, everyone knows that shooting someone to steal his wallet is deeply immoral.  In fact, murder committed in the process of armed robbery is an example used to illustrate sociopathic behavior.  This violates the morality of our Judeo-Christian society, domestic law and the universal understanding of what "decent human behavior" is.  

Yet this psychopathology is somehow "normal" in the course of the affairs of nations!   We are DEEP IN THE MATRIX with the acceptance of this belief!

Tom asked:  Where is the Anti-War Movement. 

It is us.  We must disrupt this process of building a "consensus for the acceptance of the upcoming nuclear war" so that people who do not critically think for themselves will not be lead into this. We must say clearly and publicly:

Hell No.

World War is not normal.

War is criminal.

We will NOT participate in a nuclear exchange.

We have the power to disrupt the "mind field" where beliefs come to be commonly accepted by the masses as "true."

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Who benefits?

Who has benefited the most through the turmoil wrought by the NATO countries in the ME over the past 20+ years?  Obviously the US Military Industries.  But really, WHO (State) has benefited the most.....?.....

ISRAEL

Who is the head of the BIS as well as the FED?  What culture/race are they?

Do your own research.  Come to your own conclusions.  But remember, there are no coincidences in the world of the elite.

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LogansRun wrote:

Who has benefited the most through the turmoil wrought by the NATO countries in the ME over the past 20+ years?  Obviously the US Military Industries.  But really, WHO (State) has benefited the most.....?.....

ISRAEL

Who is the head of the BIS as well as the FED?  What culture/race are they?

Do your own research.  Come to your own conclusions.  But remember, there are no coincidences in the world of the elite.

My only comment would be to be careful in delineating between the People of Israel and the State of Israel. I suspect that the People of Israel in general share a different "perspective" that a certain portion of Israeli leadership. If any of this is sounding familiar to you here in the US... 

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Drone Strike Karma Can Be a B*tch

A very sharp friend remarked that she suspects drone strike karma will come back to haunt her grand children.  Someday, the next global power will be shooting missiles into American weddings and school picnics.

The USA altered international law with the GWOT in several fundamental ways:

1.  Dropping bombs and shooting missiles into other sovereign nations is OK.

2.  No need to declare war before bombing another country as

  • the entire earth is now "the battlefield,"
  • there is no start or stop date for this war, and
  • every human being is an enemy suspect.

3.  There is no need to restrict warfare to defense only (the historical criteria for a "moral war.")  An offensive attack is a "preemptive defense."

4.  There is no intention of ever ending this war.  It is intended as a permanent, open ended approach to international relations.  The USA will never "defeat terrorism," declare victory and cease its war.  (In fact, there is no way to escape the impression that the MIC is actively working to create enemies by indiscriminate civilian massacres.)

A single executive can now conduct warfare without congress declaring war.

Once a person knows, absolutely without a doubt, that the seminal event of this global war on terror was deliberately created, we can only conclude that descending the world into permanent warfare was the intention. 

I believe that there is a powerful group that wants to take the world to war. I surmise that this group feels that it can "win" in a setting of global war in a way that it could not should the rules of civilization remain intact.

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sand_puppy wrote:

I believe that there is a powerful group that wants to take the world to war. I surmise that this group feels that it can "win" in a setting of global war in a way that it could not should the rules of civilization remain intact.

What on earth would possibly give you that idea?

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Time2help wrote: LogansRun

Time2help wrote:

LogansRun wrote:

Who has benefited the most through the turmoil wrought by the NATO countries in the ME over the past 20+ years?  Obviously the US Military Industries.  But really, WHO (State) has benefited the most.....?.....

ISRAEL

Who is the head of the BIS as well as the FED?  What culture/race are they?

Do your own research.  Come to your own conclusions.  But remember, there are no coincidences in the world of the elite.

My only comment would be to be careful in delineating between the People of Israel and the State of Israel. I suspect that the People of Israel in general share a different "perspective" that a certain portion of Israeli leadership. If any of this is sounding familiar to you here in the US... 

Very fair.  

The Rothschild Zionists that are running the State of Israel as well as the Western Financial/Monetary Institutions are my target.

Although, the Israeli people's are as much at fault for allowing for the Zionists to control their state (Just as the American people's are at fault for the same).

Peace

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Whocouldaknowed

Assuming that it's not a just another ruse. I'll agree that evidence (real world, circumstantial and anecdotal) is piling up in droves though. It would appear, at this time based up the information available, that the global monetary system has been captured by a relatively small cabal of (possibly satanic) banksters.

Honestly, from where I was when all of this started - I did not see that coming surprise.

You could not make this s**t up.

The good news here is that I think you will find pretty much universal agreement that "satanic banksters" with access to nuclear and biological weapons is a really bad thing (it would be hard to put a positive spin there, but who the hell knows anymore).

If I'm off base here I'd love to be wrong about this. Not trying to offend anyone - just looking for the truth.

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So why no energy or attention there?

LogansRun wrote:

Who has benefited the most through the turmoil wrought by the NATO countries in the ME over the past 20+ years?  Obviously the US Military Industries.  

Yes, obviously.

Yet no attention has been spent there, doing the hard homework that it would take to better understand the military-industrial complex's role in the deep state.

Ditto for the lack of effort by those concerned about these issues with respect to the nature of big finance in the United States. Pray tell, was J.P. Morgan Jewish? Were the Rockefellers or the Vanderbilts?

Ditto for the lack of attention paid to big ag.  Anyone know the history of Monsanto?

Are the Kochs Jewish?

It's true that that lobbyists from the State of Israel have too much influence in Washington.  This doesn't mean that either Israel or Jews are secretly running the world. There are a lot of other things happening in terms of any deep state, yet I haven't seen anyone raising concerns about Israel and/or Jewish people lift a finger towards any of that.

But, as Dan Ariely (a Jewish man and Israeli) reminds us, via Chris, threats are cognitively easier to deal with, and more compelling, if they have a face. On the other hand, maybe all three of the leading behavioral economists/psychologists in history (Kahneman, Tversky, and Ariely) are part of a Jewish/Israeli conspiracy of psychology professors!!! (yes.../sarc)

It may be comforting to try to blame Israel and an international conspiracy of Jewish bankers, in LogansRun's case, for everything, but that is more likely to whip up hate than shed any real light on the picture. I have seen CHS do way better work on the Deep State than anyone here so far, and as long as people here focus almost exclusively on the foreign policy of the State of Israel it will be a gross oversimplification, and to the extent that they are focusing on the Jewish people per se they will be spreading a bigoted and mendacious red herring.

No banker made me use a car, an airplane, or a computer. No one made me buy silver, thus adding to environmental destruction. That wasn't any conspiracy. Those were my choices and it's one of the reasons that the blame game is mostly unproductive, even if partially accurate.

A grownup view of the problems we face recognize that we ourselves have a role in many of them. None of us rich enough to own a computer and with enough leisure time to talk on PP are really victims, comparatively speaking.

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Follow up - Top 10 defense contractors (2010 data)

How many of these companies are run by Jewish people?  (Answer: Not many.) Just because someone is Jewish and has a high placed job, do we then say that they're part of a conspiracy?  

Would the same hold true for anyone who is or was an executive at these companies? Is it really productive to paint such a broad brush? 

10. Computer Sciences Corp 

9. Oshkosh

8. SAIC

7. United Technologies

6. L-3 Communications

5. Raytheon

4. General Dynamics

3. Northrup Grumman

2. Boeing

1. Lockheed Martin

Source: Business insider

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Who cares?

If a small group of individuals slowly gains control of the majority of the currencies and financial institutions worldwide, using nefarious, deceitful and frankly - horrific means to attain their goals...who cares what religion they are?  

Really bad people = really bad people.

What sucks is when really bad people assign themselves a label, e.g. "I'm a Klingon", do really bad s**t to others, and then when the inevitable backlash occurs, the ones doing the really bad s**t disappear into the woodwork while the rest of the Klingons get hammered.  

Guilt by association. Seems to be a lot of guilt going around.

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You care

Time2help wrote:

What sucks is when really bad people assign themselves a label, e.g. "I'm a Klingon", do really bad s**t to others, and then when the inevitable backlash occurs, the ones doing the really bad s**t disappear into the woodwork while the rest of the Klingons get hammered.  

T2H,

You clearly care, as you've spent a lot of energy making the case that the conspiracy you perceive is led by the Israeli state. You're one of the people labeling it, and we're not talking about Klingon's here, as you and others have stated, you are talking about Jewish people and/or the Israeli state.

If you won't trust a bankster, would you trust an executive in a military contracting corp? Again, why the broad and oversimplified brush?

Also, does every thread have to be about Israel and/or the Jews now? 

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"You clearly care, as you've spent a lot of energy making the case that the conspiracy theory (don't forget to add "theory") you perceive is led by the Israeli State. You're one of the people labeling it, and we're not talking about Klingon's here, as you and others have stated, you are talking about Jewish people and/or the Israeli State and her international banking interests.

If you won't trust a bankster (LOL), would you trust an executive in a military contracting corp? Again, why the broad and oversimplified brush?

Also, does every thread have to be about the State of Israel and her international banking interests and/or the Jews now? (Ah yes, guilt)"

Meh...

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Guilt is not the only vice, T2H

Time2help wrote:

"You clearly care, as you've spent a lot of energy making the case that the conspiracy theory (don't forget to add "theory") you perceive is led by the Israeli State. You're one of the people labeling it, and we're not talking about Klingon's here, as you and others have stated, you are talking about Jewish people and/or the Israeli State and her international banking interests.

If you won't trust a bankster (LOL), would you trust an executive in a military contracting corp? Again, why the broad and oversimplified brush?

Also, does every thread have to be about the State of Israel and her international banking interests and/or the Jews now? (Ah yes, guilt)"

Meh...

One day you might be ready to develop a mature theory of the deep state, instead of repackaged, half-baked youtube remix of an old and hackneyed slander.

This is not about guilt; it's about asking you to quit spamming the threads with your obsession.

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Ok then

This conversation with you is definitely not productive, so I'll wave off. Have a nice day.

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You too

Thanks, T2H.

You too.

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Zionism

Is a belief, not a religion.  You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist.

HughK wrote:

LogansRun wrote:

Who has benefited the most through the turmoil wrought by the NATO countries in the ME over the past 20+ years?  Obviously the US Military Industries.  

Yes, obviously.

Yet no attention has been spent there, doing the hard homework that it would take to better understand the military-industrial complex's role in the deep state.

Ditto for the lack of effort by those concerned about these issues with respect to the nature of big finance in the United States. Pray tell, was J.P. Morgan Jewish? Were the Rockefellers or the Vanderbilts?

Ditto for the lack of attention paid to big ag.  Anyone know the history of Monsanto?

Are the Kochs Jewish?

It's true that that lobbyists from the State of Israel have too much influence in Washington.  This doesn't mean that either Israel or Jews are secretly running the world. There are a lot of other things happening in terms of any deep state, yet I haven't seen anyone raising concerns about Israel and/or Jewish people lift a finger towards any of that.

But, as Dan Ariely (a Jewish man and Israeli) reminds us, via Chris, threats are cognitively easier to deal with, and more compelling, if they have a face. On the other hand, maybe all three of the leading behavioral economists/psychologists in history (Kahneman, Tversky, and Ariely) are part of a Jewish/Israeli conspiracy of psychology professors!!! (yes.../sarc)

It may be comforting to try to blame Israel and an international conspiracy of Jewish bankers, in LogansRun's case, for everything, but that is more likely to whip up hate than shed any real light on the picture. I have seen CHS do way better work on the Deep State than anyone here so far, and as long as people here focus almost exclusively on the foreign policy of the State of Israel it will be a gross oversimplification, and to the extent that they are focusing on the Jewish people per se they will be spreading a bigoted and mendacious red herring.

No banker made me use a car, an airplane, or a computer. No one made me buy silver, thus adding to environmental destruction. That wasn't any conspiracy. Those were my choices and it's one of the reasons that the blame game is mostly unproductive, even if partially accurate.

A grownup view of the problems we face recognize that we ourselves have a role in many of them. None of us rich enough to own a computer and with enough leisure time to talk on PP are really victims, comparatively speaking.

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Hmmmm...over the top.

HughK wrote:

One day you might be ready to develop a mature theory of the deep state, instead of repackaged, half-baked youtube remix of an old and hackneyed slander.

This is not about guilt; it's about asking you to quit spamming the threads with your obsession.

Ah!  Very good,  We finally have an expert on the deep state who can tell us truth from fiction.

Do share!

Otherwise, that's quite an emotional outburst there (as measured by the emotional content of the words) and I might be tempted to think you  are operating from a belief state instead.

So let's have the right story on the table please?  

Who is it, exactly, that's constantly seeking to disrupt the Middle east into a fractured stew of ineffective states?  There are not that many candidates...but you apparently have the answer, so I'd love to hear it,as I am sure everyone would. 

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Missile Launch

Anyone want to weigh in on the speculation that the missiles launched off the coast of California were Russian?

John G.

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Don't start a post with the title "Missile Launch"!

Please

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How much truth is there to this?

Excerpt from website rense.com:  http://www.rense.com/general86/zelephant.htm

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The Zionist Elephant In The Room
The David Icke Newsletter
(Admin: Excerpt limit exceeded..).

T2H - Chris here.  First, there's an excerpt limit we have to impose for copyright issues.

So a snippet and a link is our rule.

Second, I am highly allergic to Rense generally and David Icke specifically because both have proven (to me) over time to make extraordinary incredible,, inflammatory and unfounded claims.

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Zionists

I think Hugh has a legitimate point.  I'm not Jewish but I perceive a substantial anti-Semitic sentiment to several recent posts here.  Maybe I'm not as well versed in the dangers posed by the "Zionists" as some here but I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that most ordinary Jews just want to live their lives in peace, just like any other population.  If there is hard evidence otherwise, I'm open to hearing it.

As to who it is who is seeking to disrupt the Middle East, I say WTF?

According to my history books, that part of the world has been being disrupted by various tribes, cultures, militias and nation-states since the dawn of civilized man, and certainly well before the establishment of the nation of Israel.  

cmartenson wrote:

HughK wrote:

One day you might be ready to develop a mature theory of the deep state, instead of repackaged, half-baked youtube remix of an old and hackneyed slander.

This is not about guilt; it's about asking you to quit spamming the threads with your obsession.

Ah!  Very good,  We finally have an expert on the deep state who can tell us truth from fiction.

Do share!

Otherwise, that's quite an emotional outburst there (as measured by the emotional content of the words) and I might be tempted to think you  are operating from a belief state instead.

So let's have the right story on the table please?  

Who is it, exactly, that's constantly seeking to disrupt the Middle east into a fractured stew of ineffective states?  There are not that many candidates...but you apparently have the answer, so I'd love to hear it,as I am sure everyone would. 

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Re: How much truth is there to this?

Understood.

My point in posting this was not to inflame, but to point to a pattern that I, and others, are seeing in all of this. There are a number of sites out there that discuss this topic, however the majority of them do a very poor job of separating out the two topics (Rothschild banking syndicate/7 countries in 5 years/etc. and the Jewish people). There's so much hate and guilt built up around this particular topic. Hard to know what is wheat and what is chaff.

Frankly I'm at a loss as to how to broach the topic in a way that doesn't come off as inflammatory.

So I'll settle for this:

Is the Rothschild banking syndicate, out of Israel, the apex of a financial pyramid that is driving conflict worldwide for profit and power - with the ultimate goal of consolidating power into a one world government?

 

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Missile Launch

Heh-heh.

jgritter wrote:

Anyone want to weigh in on the speculation that the missiles launched off the coast of California were Russian?

John G.

The 5 second clip that popped into my head when I saw the launch footage was of Putin, calling up the WH just before launch and saying "We're running SLBM test in California now. Don't vorry, it's just dummy warhead" and then hanging up.

Hard to tell, but we may be closer that we think to confrontation.

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Second missile launch over SoCal

Navy launches second test missile off Southern California coast (LA Times)

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The (first) submarine missile test came late Saturday after Defense Secretary Ashton Carter addressed a defense forum at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley about the U.S. “adapting our operational posture and contingency plans” to deter Russia’s “aggression.”

“We do not seek a cold, let alone a hot, war with Russia,” he said to the forum. “We do not seek to make Russia an enemy. But make no mistake; the United States will defend our interests, our allies, the principled international order, and the positive future it affords us all.”

"We do not seek a cold, let alone a hot, war with Russia".  Sounds like an official denial.

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Reflexive programming

Trun87114 wrote:

I think Hugh has a legitimate point.  I'm not Jewish but I perceive a substantial anti-Semitic sentiment to several recent posts here.  Maybe I'm not as well versed in the dangers posed by the "Zionists" as some here but I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that most ordinary Jews just want to live their lives in peace, just like any other population.  If there is hard evidence otherwise, I'm open to hearing it.

As to who it is who is seeking to disrupt the Middle East, I say WTF?

According to my history books, that part of the world has been being disrupted by various tribes, cultures, militias and nation-states since the dawn of civilized man, and certainly well before the establishment of the nation of Israel.  

Your response well intentioned as I'm sure you are is unfortunately typical of the unthinking reflexive response that has been programmed into our body politic, by decades of agenda driven propaganda.  Use of the label anti-semetic, is about as useful as the pejorative "Conspiracy theorist" it serves only to trigger an emotional response which shuts down critical thinking, discussion of facts and debate. This is by design.  ADL 101

As to your points.  T2H was explicit in his first post on this topic as to distinguishing between the agenda of Zionists and the broader classification of Jewish people.  It is you that is unwittingly conflating the two even as you draw your distinction by stating the obvious truth that most Jewish people simply want to live in peace.  

As to your rejoinder to Chris' implication that there is a group with an agenda to fragment and weaken states in the Mid East. you serve up another simplified strawman argument.  Yes of course the Mid East has always been home to disruptions of tribes culture, nation states etc.  as has Europe, Africa, Asia etc.  you are describing the human condition. 

What we are discussing is the devolution of the Post War status quo. Into the emerging world war. This development was architected and declared by the Israeli likudniks, (Clean Break Strategy) during the Clinton Administration and implemented and continues to be implemented via the hegemonic power of the US by the NeoCons. see PNAC. This is the group we are discussing and while they are not all Jewish, they are all  Zionists.

The extent that they have been so successful in these serial war crimes without repercussions is a testament to the consolidation of editorial  control in the media.  It is a simple fact that the vast majority of the MSM is under the executive control of self proclaimed Zionists.

Coincidence? unlikely.

The arguments that Hugh K puts forward, trying to nuance the distinction by framing the deep state as being controlled by more than just "Jews" is also a strawman. Of course the Deep State is not monolithic.  the Military industrial component has different, competing as well as overlapping interests as does Big Energy etc.  that does not obviate the influence and control component of the Zionists.

Where I differ from T2H on this subject, is that I believe that yours and Hugh k' apologists responses are an unconscious reflexive programmed attempt at politicaly correct censorship.  And T2H (in my opinion would ascribe Hugh's statements as intentional misdirection/misrepresentation.

One thing is clear it is impossible to discuss this subject without tripping on those emotional land mines.   It takes a bit of work to see how and who laid down those land mines in our collective consciousness  but the information is there if you chose to look.

Mememonkey

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saturday's missile

The article says "The test on Saturday featured the launch of a missile outfitted with a dummy warhead toward the Kwajalein Atoll, a missile test site that’s part of the Marshall Islands in the western Pacific."

I know absolutely nothing about missiles, but I do know that numerous people here in western Colorado saw the Saturday night missile.  How does a missile launched off hte coast, and headed further west get seen in western Colorado? Is it that high in the sky that it can be seen here just as well as in so. Cal?

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Some interesting Youtube comments
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Jason Dell 1 day ago - The problem with the missile test explanation is that the officials say it occurred in the Pacific Test Range which is Northwest of Los Angeles. So why did the object move from South to North as viewed from Los Angeles? I saw it myself, and all the video from Los Angeles clearly shows movement from left to right. All the film footage is facing West towards the ocean, so left to right means South to North. It's impossible for a projectile like a missile to originate in the Northwest and move from the South TO the North. Also, what I saw originated far in the Southwest.
 
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Spartan 1 day ago - This object flew right above my place , I live 50 Miles east of San Francisco.
 
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TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA 2 days ago - I was there saw the whole thing while walking my dogs at sunset cliffs san diego - it came up from BELOW the horizon lighting up the ocean long before we actually saw anything (it was that far out to sea) then it looked like lights from an aircraft. once it reached the zenith of the sky it stopped and created a HUGE halo of light with a green light at the center. and then over 20 minutes it all faded away. It all acted like a very expensive flare.
 
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Johnny Gonzalez 15 hours ago - Trident II Nukes do not spur a blue flare. It would have left a huge vapor and smoke trail. I've seen trident tests before. go ahead and look at trident 2 videos and judge... Object seen over 500+ miles away is too big for a FCM like the trident 2.
 
So....incoming from south/southwest to north/northeast. What color does Trident II fuel burn?
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Former Putin aide, founder of Russia Today, found dead in DC

Former Putin aide, founder of Russia Today, found dead at Dupont Circle Hotel (WJLA Washington DC)

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Sources told ABC News the man found dead in the Dupont Circle Hotel is identified as Mikhail Lesin, a long time adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin...

...It's unknown why Lesin, a multi-millionaire with high-level ties to the Kremlin, would be in Washington.

He's credited with creating 'Russia Today', an English language network backed by the Russian government.

Calling this a 'death investigation' implies no foul play is suspected. But autopsy results should resolve the mystery as to how Lesin died.

Public records show Lesin was a rich man.

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Meh...

Mystery light over ocean was missile test (San Diego Union Tribune)

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"The test was part of a scheduled, on-going system evaluation test, said Cmdr. Ryan Perry with the Navy’s Third Fleet.

The missile was not armed and Strategic Systems Programs does not routinely announce missile testing. Information regarding the test launch of such missiles is classified prior to the launch, Perry said.

The test range is a massive area northwest of Los Angeles. The Navy periodically uses the range to test fire Tomahawk and Standard cruise from surface ships and submarines."

"Some people saw it fade from bright red to white or blue, and thought it traveled from south to north."

Photo of exhaust plume from 4th Street Bridge over the 110 Freeway in Los Angeles.

Picture of same location and orientation from Google Earth.

This section of freeway is heading almost perfectly southwest, so the plume above appears to originate south of this location, and appears to be heading left-to-right, roughly south to north.

Jason Dell wrote:

Jason Dell 1 day ago - The problem with the missile test explanation is that the officials say it occurred in the Pacific Test Range which is Northwest of Los Angeles. So why did the object move from South to North as viewed from Los Angeles? I saw it myself, and all the video from Los Angeles clearly shows movement from left to right. All the film footage is facing West towards the ocean, so left to right means South to North. It's impossible for a projectile like a missile to originate in the Northwest and move from the South TO the North. Also, what I saw originated far in the Southwest.

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Apologies and consistency

cmartenson wrote:

Otherwise, that's quite an emotional outburst there (as measured by the emotional content of the words) and I might be tempted to think you  are operating from a belief state instead.

Hi Chris and all,

First of all, you’re right that my post that you cited above was both emotionally charged and not supported by evidence and I owe PP and T2H an apology for that. Sorry to all; that wasn’t productive of me and I’ll try not to do that in the future.  I was still testy, I guess, after having been called a disinformation agent by the poster in question, as well as the blurred line here recently regarding holding the government of Israel accountable vs. making assumptions about people based on the fact that they're Jewish by some posters (not T2H), but that’s no excuse for my response, and I'm sorry.

I agree with the principle that we should provide evidence for the theories and opinions we share here and also that we should try to minimize the emotional charge of our posts, and in a moment of weakness I did not remain consistent to those principles.

It would be more consistent if you also took the time to step in when others make such emotional and belief-based statements, such as when T2H accused PP community members of being disinformation agents and/or trolls last week, but in those cases you either lent him explicit support or were aware of his unbacked, belief based ad hom’s and decided to let them slide by without addressing them.

Do you care to explain why you chose to single out my comment above when you have not said anything about many others that meet similar criteria, including these examples?

Cheers,

Hugh

 
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Orlov's analysis.

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com.au/2015/11/an-exit-strategy-for-traitors.html

Ask yourself, why would millions of men (the overwhelming majority are young men) suddenly and collectively decide to leave their families behind, leave their country, travel thousands of miles and head for either Germany, Austria or Sweden, ignoring all the other safe countries on the way? Who told them that this would be worth it? Where did they all get the money to pay for it? Why was there absolutely no effort at any border to stop them? Why did this not start earlier? After all, the middle east has been a war zone for years—ever since the USA exploited 9/11 to start “spreading democracy.” How could this happen within days, weeks at most. Did the first hundred thousand send a message to the rest that it was OK for them to come too? If so, how?

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My Beliefs – Open to change, that’s why I’m here

I’m Jewish.  I’m not religious.  I’m 32. I was born in Canada and have always lived in Canada.  I don’t believe I’m smarter than anyone here.

Intro:  The reason I’m a member on this site is to get a better understanding of the world and make changes to my life that I feel are important and make practical sense with everything going on around me.  Most people don’t want to change and don’t want to face reality…it’s difficult.

Beliefs:  I went to Israel 11 years ago on a free trip for being a Jew.  I saw a beautiful country (Negev, Masada, Dead Sea, Jerusalem, Red Sea, Sea of Galilee, etc).  It was filled with all different people like anywhere else in the world.  I saw a country that has an enormous amount of history and much like other places, is being destroyed in all sorts of ways.  People who live there are forced to join the army at 18 and have to serve at least 4 years.  My experience was similar to this.  At times I felt influenced to be more involved in the religion and take part in the traditions, but it has never appealed to me.  Growing up, my family celebrated the holidays and I went to Hebrew school once a week from a young age until I had my Bar Mitzvah at 13.  As a family we got together with our extended family during high holidays, but that was it.  We stopped going to synagogue.  My mom died 6 years ago and about 4 years before she died, she started having an attachment to Israel and Judaism.   She had a friend that she wrote with who was a Holocaust survivor, who was a big inspiration to her.  She never hated anyone, in fact, she would frequently say that hate is such a strong word…the Germans hated the Jews during the Second WW. I think she also saw Israel in the same way, a historic country with lots of beauty that is being destroyed.  I don’t believe Israel is the only victim, but I also don’t believe fingers should be pointed at it and that it should be a target.  My belief is that there are Jews who want to protect the country and do hold hatred towards other groups.  My belief is also that there are other ethnoreligious groups who hold hatred towards Jews and other groups of people.  I want to protect the country and all the others around it.  In fact, I’m contemplating taking a trip to the Middle East to get a better understanding.  I met a Kuwaiti on my travels in August.  She was lovely.  Down to earth, educated, outgoing, adventurous and many other great qualities.  How could I possibly put her into a larger set of people and call her bad and hold negative feelings towards her.  We are both friends now and she also doesn’t hold hatred towards me just because I’m Jewish or because I say Israel is a great country. I know that there are a lot of Jewish people who are afraid of history repeating and I think that's a big reason why some are very passionate about their people.  Genocide is not something I support.  War is not something I support.

Someone who is religious and gets very defensive when it comes to Israel showed me this video.  My response was “what do you want me to do about it?  There’s bad people everywhere”.  While his emphasis was on Palestinians, mine was on the violent person.

I’m tired of all these generalizations and labels.  I’m interested in sorting out where this all comes from. I’m interested in constructive criticism.  Chris and Adam know from building this site, writing books and traveling to spread the word about the 3 E’s how difficult it is to have people change.  I think blaming the Israeli people, or the people in the US, or Canada, or Russia is not the right approach.  I think that’s the easy way out and somewhat cowardly.  To point fingers at a broad group or country does not solve anything. I don't see any difference in that and being racist. It’s getting an understanding for an individual and carefully giving a different perspective so the change is beneficial to the world. It isn't about pushing that person in a direction.  It's about offering your outlook and letting them change for themselves.  It's about leading by example.  I don't have patience for people who are violent and mean. Maybe it's because I haven't been living the same lives as others.  I haven't been deprived. I wasn't raised to hate a certain type of person.  I wasn't abused as a child.  I wasn't raped.  I guess we are who we are through our experiences.  With all the things humans have accomplished, it's astounding to me we aren't further along in the simple way of relationships and communication.  Why bother with the rest if we can't resolve things and work together peacefully. It's pathetic and it's where I become despondent and discouraged. I'm not hopeful in a calm and constructive outcome. It will be destructive and degenerative, but I believe the answer is not pointing the finger at a group or country. It's focusing on the individual and treating them differently than the next.

It sounds like the conclusion is the deep state equals Zionists, who may or may not be Jewish and Israel is the headquarters of the elite.  Maybe that’s true and I’m open minded enough to hear more from this community and be directed to reading materials to further my education.  I’d again like to point out that regardless if that’s true or not, the 75% Jews and 20% Arabs who live there are not all bad and certainly the trees, deserts, wildlife, lakes, rivers, mountains, and ancient structures are not bad. And no, this isn’t a strawman or anything else.  It’s simply my beliefs that were formed from my experiences. I’m open to hearing how they are flawed.

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cmartenson wrote: HughK

cmartenson wrote:

HughK wrote:

One day you might be ready to develop a mature theory of the deep state, instead of repackaged, half-baked youtube remix of an old and hackneyed slander.

This is not about guilt; it's about asking you to quit spamming the threads with your obsession.

Ah!  Very good,  We finally have an expert on the deep state who can tell us truth from fiction.

Do share!

Otherwise, that's quite an emotional outburst there (as measured by the emotional content of the words) and I might be tempted to think you  are operating from a belief state instead.

So let's have the right story on the table please?  

Who is it, exactly, that's constantly seeking to disrupt the Middle east into a fractured stew of ineffective states?  There are not that many candidates...but you apparently have the answer, so I'd love to hear it,as I am sure everyone would. 

Anyone who has worked in market leading companies knows usually the incentives are to build up the CEO.  Given this the corollary is CYA since all employees want the CEO's shine.   What results?   We need no conspiracies, only psychopaths.  Then all else we bitch about follows.

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See the tripwires being placed....

Mememonkey said in his most excellent comment,

One thing is clear it is impossible to discuss this subject without tripping on those emotional land mines.   It takes a bit of work to see how and who laid down those land mines in our collective consciousness  but the information is there if you chose to look.

Indeed.  Here we can see a new section of third rail actually being built.. equating those who would dare to think about the truth behind 9/11 as being, "Holocaust deniers" along with a neat little strawman argument that would suggest conspiracy theorists don't believe planes went into the buildings.  The question is;  which planes?  Start at about 4:00...

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Mememonkey: Request for more information

I greatly appreciate your comments above.

What we are discussing is the devolution of the Post War status quo. Into the emerging world war. This development was architected and declared by the Israeli likudniks, (Clean Break Strategy) during the Clinton Administration and implemented and continues to be implemented via the hegemonic power of the US by the NeoCons. see PNAC. This is the group we are discussing and while they are not all Jewish, they are all  Zionists.

Could you please recommend reading material on this topic that sounds correct and trustworthy to you?

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Transend: Thank you for bringing Jewish PPers perspectives

Transend,

I really appreciate your inclusion here and leaning about your thoughts and experiences traveling in Israel and the middle-east.  I want to keep inviting our Jewish members to participate and to know that we value the Jewish people, culture and religion.

I want to very clearly support your impression:

...the 75% Jews and 20% Arabs who live there [in Israel] are not all bad and certainly the trees, deserts, wildlife, lakes, rivers, mountains, and ancient structures are not bad.

Absolutely support this and agree.

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As you know, we have the exact same problem in the USA.  The moral developmental level of the American population (and majority of government and LEO) exceeds that of the NeoCon faction that holds quite a bit of power.  Yet they seem to be able to bomb, assassinate and invade fairly freely.

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It comes clear.

After a troubled sleep, it is clear to me. 

The Wolfowitz doctrine. 

The document was widely criticized as imperialist as the document outlined a policy of unilateralism and pre-emptive military action to suppress potential threats from other nations and prevent any other nation from rising to superpower status.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine

Merkel gave a speech in which she said that multi-culti was dead.  Then she was seen in tears saying "No, I will not commit suicide. " 

Something changed.  Let me guess.  Merkel was ordered to attack the Ukraine. She refused. They said "If you don't we will destroy Europe. "

She was given an option she could not refuse,  to coin a phrase.  

Germany has been occupied for 80 years. The fault lies with the occupiers. Switzerland,  not so much. They are required by law to be armed at all times. 

I am not a Lamb of God I am a Wolf of Odin. Germany, Denmark and Sweden are little lambs.  Norway. Jury is out. They have Breivik. But are they armed?

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Bamford's: Pretext For War

I am very new to this line of inquiry.  It looks like James Bamford's book "Pretext For War" reports on the complex relationships between the Israeli Likund and the US Neocon factions during the early Bush II years and the way they cooperated to fabricate WMD "evidence" and sell wars in the middle east. 

Corruption and immorality at the highest levels of both nations.

And yes, Arthur, the Wolfowitz doctrine was a core part of this story.

Pretext for War (with discussion and exerpts)

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Hillarious Chertoff quote....

Something to the effect that Congress has failed "actually sitting down and thinking through, in a bi-partisan way", to formulate a legal method of dealing with terrorism.  Yeah, sure, we'll do that tomorrow.....Aloha, Steve.

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You Rang?

jgritter wrote:

Anyone want to weigh in on the speculation that the missiles launched off the coast of California were Russian?

John G.

Yes.  They were not Russian.  Any such speculation is bunk.

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Physics and Orbital Mechanics say "Yes"

lmcdel wrote:

The article says "The test on Saturday featured the launch of a missile outfitted with a dummy warhead toward the Kwajalein Atoll, a missile test site that’s part of the Marshall Islands in the western Pacific."

I know absolutely nothing about missiles, but I do know that numerous people here in western Colorado saw the Saturday night missile.  How does a missile launched off hte coast, and headed further west get seen in western Colorado? Is it that high in the sky that it can be seen here just as well as in so. Cal?

McD - I know quite a bit about SLBMs.  I should.  I spent 13 of my 37 (and counting) years of service to this country either on an SSBN or working direct support on the staff of major submarine and strategic shore commands.  Anyways...

All phases of flight are tested - prelaunch, launch, booster ignition, boost phase, transition to ballistic flight, transition to exoatmospheric flight, exoatmospheric flight, midcourse guidance, transition to re-entry, re-entry, pre-arming, arming, impact.

On a clear day you can see forever.  On a clear night you can see even foreverer.  Depending on the downrange flight distance to the impact range, the loft or boost "up" distance could easily be high enough to be seen in CO.  (Must have been quite the shocker for those Coloradoans enjoying the local "foliage".....I digress)

That was a long "yes" answer to your question about whether or not  a launch from the SOCAL OPAREA is that high in the sky to be seen in CO.

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Hmmm...

Dogs_In_A_Pile wrote:

Yes.  They were not Russian.  Any such speculation is bunk.

I'm inclined to agree. The idea of Russia or China lobbing a SLBM or ICBM over downtown Los Angeles as a "show of resolve" just seems...too provocative. Really easy to start a shooting war that way. Stranger things have happened though.

The shot going visibly south-to-north near major population centers (San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco) is a pretty clear signal...this was purposely done for show and effect (whether to intimidate Russia/China or psyop Americans, or both).

As a general note - it would be really nice if people would stop lobbing nuclear weapons platforms around whilst thumping their chests...

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Or....

Time2help wrote:

Quote:
  The test range is a massive area northwest of Los Angeles.

This section of freeway is heading almost perfectly southwest, so the plume above appears to originate south of this location, and appears to be heading left-to-right, roughly south to north.

Jason Dell wrote:

Jason Dell 1 day ago - The problem with the missile test explanation is that the officials say it occurred in the Pacific Test Range which is Northwest of Los Angeles. So why did the object move from South to North as viewed from Los Angeles? I saw it myself, and all the video from Los Angeles clearly shows movement from left to right. All the film footage is facing West towards the ocean, so left to right means South to North. It's impossible for a projectile like a missile to originate in the Northwest and move from the South TO the North. Also, what I saw originated far in the Southwest.

The problem with Jason's postulation is his fatally flawed assumption that the launch platform was in the PTR NW of LA.  Facing west with a left to right component only means that there is some cross range track distance traveled in a northerly direction, but not necessarily cardinal north.  The other assumption that may be flawed is location of the impact area.  If the impact area was anything WNW of the launch point.........

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Then there's this...

Time2help wrote:

As a general note - it would be really nice if people would stop lobbing nuclear weapons platforms around whilst thumping their chests...

Actually, there is a very good reason to periodically lob these platforms around.  We have a robust test program for two reasons.  We have to make sure these things will work when they are supposed to just as much as we have to make sure that they don't "work" when they aren't supposed to.

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